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    Post  LMFS Thu Sep 29, 2022 6:28 pm

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    Moscow insists on a probe into the circumstances of "unprecedented attacks" on Russian Nord Stream and Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline, the Russian embassy to the United States said on Wednesday.
    "We note the attempts by some U.S. legislators to put blame on Russia for the incidents that occurred on Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2 gas pipelines," it said. "Perhaps, they have a better view from the top of Capitol Hill. But if that is the case, they must also have seen the U.S. warships’ activities at the very site of the Russian infrastructure disruption just the day before. Or noticed drones and helicopters fly over there. Or observed U.S. Navy exercises with underwater explosives that have been conducted in the same area some time ago. Finally, they should have recalled the promises made by President Biden to "bring an end" to the Nord Stream 2 project."
    "What is obvious to us is that those who ponder about the incident seem to forget to ask the main question: who benefits from the pipelines’ rupture? The answer is on the surface. The decades-long energy trade between Moscow and Europe has long turned into an eyesore for Washington strategists. Unable to offer a decent alternative to reliable and, no less importantly, cheap supplies of gas, the U.S. decided to "squeeze out" Russia as a competitor using non-market methods and sanctions," the embassy noted. "Washington is trying hard to get its allies hooked on an expensive and environmentally unfriendly "LNG needle".
    "For our part, we insist on the need for a comprehensive and objective examination of the circumstances of the unprecedented attacks on Russian pipelines. To discuss this issue, the Russian Federation will convene an extraordinary meeting of the UN Security Council,"


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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:05 pm

    At the moment, tens of thousands of them are busy protesting.
    But in the new era of freedom of speech, pluralism, free media, and the Internet that was created to guarantee the freedom of information - nobody even hears about them.
    Aside from Putin's agents, of course, who don't share those principal values.

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    Post  Broski Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:34 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:Slightly off topic.
    Lets say the situation this winter go's full retard for europe, like general winter himself comes down on them.
    And they go crawling back to Russia.

    Could Russia deploy their floating nuclear stations in order to bring energy to europe?
    And why exactly would Russia do that, for? Europe is deindustrializing itself and blaming Russia for it. The European citizenry go along with the propaganda and blame Russia for their high electricity and gas prices. The EU has turned into a mental asylum. Leave them to commit suicide.

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    Post  ALAMO Thu Sep 29, 2022 7:53 pm

    Broski wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:Slightly off topic.
    Lets say the situation this winter go's full retard for europe, like general winter himself comes down on them.
    And they go crawling back to Russia.

    Could Russia deploy their floating nuclear stations in order to bring energy to europe?
    And why exactly would Russia do that, for? Europe is deindustrializing itself and blaming Russia for it. The European citizenry go along with the propaganda and blame Russia for their high electricity and gas prices. The EU has turned into a mental asylum. Leave them to commit suicide.

    No they don't.
    People are speaking openly, more and more, how this all is an effect of moronic EU agenda.
    The fact that it is not widely presented by the shitstream is another story, but the only most Russophobic countries at the moment do not face pro-Russian rallies. The point of those is fully economic driven, but that is just the beginning.

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    Post  kvs Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:54 pm

    The presence of the US naval assets clearly engaging in subsea operations totally excludes Russia as potential culprit. How would
    Russian submarines be able to penetrate into the zone and deploy any sorts of devices to stage sabotage without detection?
    Quiet submarines are not invisible in this sort of environment since there would be an observational net and not just the sonar
    system of another submarine. In any case, the closer two submarines get, the more visible they become to each other. There
    is no magic involved.

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    Post  Kiko Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:01 pm

    The US & NATO North Streams ' sabotage is clearly an Operation Gladio's comeback in Europe.

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    Post  LMFS Thu Sep 29, 2022 10:52 pm

    Broski wrote:And why exactly would Russia do that, for? Europe is deindustrializing itself and blaming Russia for it. The European citizenry go along with the propaganda and blame Russia for their high electricity and gas prices. The EU has turned into a mental asylum. Leave them to commit suicide.
    The problem is that they are going to be "suicided" by the Anglos against Russia. Europe is going to be plunged into chaos and used to create a source of permanent military confrontation vs Russia, when not an outright continental war. Of course it would be in Russia's interests for Europe to wake up and shake those diabolical parasites off, but their grip is very strong and the alternative elites are nowhere to be seen. Most citizens are so blind they cannot even imagine they are being brought to the slaughterhouse, much less organize to the point of being able to depose the globalists.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 30, 2022 7:09 am

    Could Russia deploy their floating nuclear stations in order to bring energy to europe?

    AFAIK the one they have in use is in use... I doubt they could spare it.

    I am thinking when the situation gets really bad in Europe that Russia should cut them off completely from all energy sources including electricity to the Baltic states if they still use that...

    Instead of heating your whole house, heat one small room... exercise more... go to the library... or the local foundry...
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    Post  LMFS Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:42 am

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    🇷🇺⚡The head of the (SVR) Foreign Intelligence Service Naryshkin said that Russia already has materials that indicate the role of the West in organizing and carrying out explosions at Nord Stream

    Russian security chief names ‘obvious’ beneficiary of pipeline rupture

    The US stands to win most from disabling Russian-German gas link and has a record of such attacks, Nikolay Patrushev said

    The US stands to benefit economically from the attack on the Nord Stream gas pipelines and has a record of targeting energy infrastructure with sabotage operations, the head of Russia's Security Council said.

    “Pretty much from the first minutes after the news of the explosions broke … the West launched an active campaign for assigning blame. But it is obvious that the primary beneficiary, first of all in the economic sense, was the US,” Nikolay Patrushev said on Friday.

    He compared this week’s incident with the attack on Nicaragua’s oil infrastructure in Puerto Sandino in 1983. Back then CIA officers, based on a ship moored in international waters, coordinated a raid by commandos they had trained to fight against the Sandinista government, US press reported at the time. The US spy agency also provided speed boats for the raid, a CIA source explained, according to Associated Press.

    The operation was part of the Reagan administration’s “dirty war” on Nicaragua, which later led to the Iran-Contras scandal. The CIA’s secret sale of weapons to Iran to fund Latin American militants was exposed in 1986.

    Patrushev made the remarks at a meeting with fellow security officials from former Soviet nations.

    “It appears to be necessary to coordinate our effort to expose the masterminds and executors of this crime, setting a good example for effective cooperation,” he told his counterparts.

    He noted that the US goal was “ensuring strategic and economic superiority over alternative centers of power” even though Washington’s ally the EU has been suffering from its policies. The US is replacing Russian natural gas with its more expensive liquified natural gas, as the bloc moves to decouple its economy from Russian energy sources.

    The leaks in the two Nord Stream pipelines were first detected on Monday, when pressure in the undersea links connecting Russia directly to Germany drastically dropped. The pipelines were apparently breached with explosives, with the blasts detected by earthquake sensors in Sweden.

    Moscow called the incident an international terrorist attack against civilian infrastructure, while some Western officials described it as an act of sabotage.

    Some critics of Russia speculated that Moscow decided to blow up its own gas links with Germany to put pressure on the EU.

    Polish MEP and former Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski thanked the US for the incident, but later deleted the tweet, calling his implied assertion of Washington’s involvement a personal working theory.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/563777-patrushev-beneficiary-pipelines-attack/

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:09 am

    You can bet that any evidence on the sites was eliminated by the explosions themselves.


    Or NATO divers.

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    Post  kvs Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:35 am

    It seems that even Patrushev is under the delusion that the US has the export capacity to replace Russia.
    People can say that he would know more than some random internet clown such as myself, but I say not so fast.
    The US imports 80 billion cubic meters per year from Kanada.   Even though it exports some to Mexico this
    shows no evidence of 150-200 bcm/yr capacity needed to replace Russia.

    1) The US stopped shipment of what meager LNG supply it had in the last couple of months since it needed it for
    domestic consumption.   Some export superpower!

    2) US fracked gas is like so-called shale oil an overhyped commodity.   There is no such thing as shale oil and some
    shale-like trapped formations such as the Bakken do not make the Green River shale deposits into a 2 trillion barrel
    oil reservoir.  The US gas supply increased since it started to develop expensive fracked plays but this is not worth
    decades of super supply.   There is a lot of fraudulent analysis used to sell these plays to investors and other saps.
    For example, the production curves from gas wells are claimed to be similar to conventional gas reservoir formations
    such as sandstone.   But this is total BS.   Fracked gas wells have very thin tails which is associated with them
    lasting much shorter and producing substantially less.   So fracked gas plays require substantially more drilling and this
    accounts for the perpetual losses by the companies engaged in this sector.

    3) Russia does not float on fracked and non-conventional gas like the USA.  

    The EU-tards are making numerous bets which they will lose and hard.   One is the mythical capacity of the US to
    replace Russia as a gas supplier.   Another is that Russia will implode from the loss of revenues of gas sales to the
    EU.   Condi Rice essentially pumped up this delusional shit in 2014 and EU-tards lapped it up.  

    Russia should sequester more of its gas for future use.   It has been too generous with exports.   The current crisis
    should be used to downregulate gas production and find other economic activity to replace it.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:24 pm

    News to me. Ripped from a MoA poster

    So far there have been statements from some second-tier politicians about the attack on Nord Stream, but there has been no clear statement from either the federal government or the White House. This is all the more amazing as the Baltic Sea is actually monitored from all sides; What's more, the headquarters of the Danish naval intelligence service, i.e. one of the corresponding institutions, is located on the island of Bornholm

    RT Deutsch Journalist Dagmar Henn.


    More on RT De https://de.rt.com/meinung/150240-nord-stream-sabotage-von-verhandlungen/

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    Post  kvs Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:08 pm

    They are just tuning their hate propaganda. They need to take into account the mass perception already in place. Most
    people appear to find the "Russia did it" claim absurd. So some additional staging will have to be done. Like some Rodchenkov
    type "witness" showing up and defecting to NATzO.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:09 pm

    A point I have seen little commented on is the considerable power that Poland may now have over Germany in that I assume it still has a live but valve turned off pipeline, with 50% of either NS pipeline, running from Russia into Germany, Yamal.

    I assume that no-one in the German, or any other Western Government wants to let the German population know that, if it gets really bad, in the middle of winter there is still an option to get gas.

    Whilst Poland can keep its hands 'clean' by not using any, it could come to the rescue of Germany, a savior no less. Even the US could get kudos by allowing a temporary sanctions waiver (shutting it again in the Spring to punish the evil Russians) and hence saving German lives. Win-win. Now, how much reparations did Poland want from Germany? It could get lots of money to pay for all the US weapons its just ordered.

    Enough reason on its own for the end of Northstream?

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:21 pm

    JohninMK wrote:A point I have seen little commented on is the considerable power that Poland may now have over Germany in that I assume it still has a live but valve turned off pipeline, with 50% of either NS pipeline, running from Russia into Germany, Yamal.
    I assume that no-one in the German, or any other Western Government wants to let the German population know that in the middle of winter there is still an option to get gas.
    Whilst Poland can keep its hands 'clean' by not using any, it could come to the rescue of Germany, a savior no less. Even the US could get kudos by allowing it and hence saving German lives, then turn it off again in the Spring. Win-win. Now, how much reparations did Poland want from Germany?
    Enough reason on its own for the US/Poles to end Northstream?

    It is technically impossible.
    Baltic Pipe is set for transporting a 10 bcm yearly. From the technical point of view, it is a 36 inch pipe that will operate at the same pressure as the both NS lanes. The difference is, that NS was 45 and 46 inch diameter, respectively.
    And carried 5x more, or 9x more if the NS2 would have been operational.
    10 bcm is a de facto equivalent of the Russian supply, delivered in a reverse flow from Germany, until Monday.
    It will fulfill about half of the Polish needs for gas, if operated at full capacity.
    The question of where the remaining half will come from is open, and there is obviously not much left for anyone.

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:28 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    It is technically impossible.
    Baltic Pipe is set for transporting a 10 bcm yearly. From the technical point of view, it is a 36 inch pipe that will operate at the same pressure as the both NS lanes. The difference is, that NS was 45 and 46 inch diameter, respectively.
    And carried 5x more, or 9x more if the NS2 would have been operational.
    10 bcm is a de facto equivalent of the Russian supply, delivered in a reverse flow from Germany, until Monday.
    It will fulfill about half of the Polish needs for gas, if operated at full capacity.
    The question of where the remaining half will come from is open, and there is obviously not much left for anyone.

    Thanks. What about Yamal?
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    Post  kvs Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:31 pm

    Russia is never going to supply through Yamal. So Yamal is irrelevant.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:35 pm

    Yamal is a monster, 56 inches.
    But it needs to be used to deliver ...
    Right now, it is being used to deliver gas in the reverse direction...

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:45 pm

    kvs wrote:Russia is never going to supply through Yamal.   So Yamal is irrelevant.


    Why?
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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:52 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    kvs wrote:Russia is never going to supply through Yamal.   So Yamal is irrelevant.


    Why?

    Europolgaz who operates the Polish part of it is on the retaliation sanction list.
    Gazprom announced they will not used in May, but I am not sure if that is connected with the reverse flow from Germany or just the economic war matter.

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    Post  lancelot Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:06 pm

    Baltic Pipe does not provide the EU with any more gas.

    It taps off gas from Europipe II which brought gas from Norway into Germany. So the Poles and the Danes are basically siphoning off Norwegian gas that would have otherwise went into Germany for themselves.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:12 pm

    lancelot wrote:Baltic Pipe does not provide the EU with any more gas.

    It taps off gas from Europipe II which brought gas from Norway into Germany. So the Poles and the Danes are basically siphoning off Norwegian gas that would have otherwise went into Germany for themselves.

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    Well, it i not exactly "siphoning", as the gas volume is extra.
    Anyway, the pipe is technically big - bigger that TurkStream, what suggests it can be used to push much more gas through it. I suppose it is only the matter of th power of turbines at pumping stations.
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    Post  JohninMK Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:21 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
    lancelot wrote:Baltic Pipe does not provide the EU with any more gas.

    It taps off gas from Europipe II which brought gas from Norway into Germany. So the Poles and the Danes are basically siphoning off Norwegian gas that would have otherwise went into Germany for themselves.


    Well, it i not exactly "siphoning", as the gas volume is extra.
    Anyway, the pipe is technically big - bigger that TurkStream, what suggests it can be used to push much more gas through it. I suppose it is only the matter of th power of turbines at pumping stations.

    The pipeline was already in place supplying Denmark. All that was needed was an extension to Poland, which is why they were able to build it so quickly.

    Wasn't Norway already pumping at max into Europipe 11 before the extension became live?

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