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    Post  Backman 28/01/21, 09:20 am

    Biden admin freezes F-35 order to the UAE. UAE embassy is whining about it on Twitter

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-freezes-arms-sales-saudis-uae-including-large-f-35-jet-transfer
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    Post  Isos 28/01/21, 03:16 pm

    Backman wrote:Biden admin freezes F-35 order to the UAE. UAE embassy is whining about it on Twitter

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-freezes-arms-sales-saudis-uae-including-large-f-35-jet-transfer

    Dickhead following Twitter. When he was with Obama and no one knew about Yemen he was happy yo sell weapons.

    Now that they find out what's hoing on there he stops "Trump's actions".

    Piece of shit.
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    Post  Hole 28/01/21, 04:13 pm

    Biden wants his bribe, that´s all.
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    Post  Isos 29/01/21, 12:50 am

    Hole wrote:Biden wants his bribe, that´s all.

    Too late. They already signed all the contracts. If he wants to freeze them they will have to pay.

    Unlike saudi aravia UAE have a strong and real army and they care about weapons they buy. If US stops delivery of f-35 they will just turn tgeir eyes on Russia or China that can protect them much better against Iran by diplomatically stoping any war before it starts.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon 29/01/21, 01:25 am

    Isos wrote:
    Hole wrote:Biden wants his bribe, that´s all.

    Too late. They already signed all the contracts. If he wants to freeze them they will have to pay.

    Unlike saudi aravia UAE have a strong and real army and they care about weapons they buy. If US stops delivery of f-35 they will just turn tgeir eyes on Russia or China that can protect them much better against Iran by diplomatically stoping any war before it starts.

    But war between UAE and Iran seems to be a self fulfilling prophecy. The two nations seem to trade ok (guest workers, fabric/tapestry textile trade), the hostility seems like it's astro-turfed through Uncle Sham. Exclude Uncle Sham from their relations and you could just easily succeed at that, with or without a third party mediating. The Saudis are a different story.

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    Post  Isos 29/01/21, 01:52 am

    But war between UAE and Iran seems to be a self fulfilling prophecy. The two nations seem to trade ok (guest workers, fabric/tapestry textile trade), the hostility seems like it's astro-turfed through Uncle Sham. Exclude Uncle Sham from their relations and you could just easily succeed at that, with or without a third party mediating. The Saudis are a different story.

    That's the hard part to do. Impossible to do by themselves alone.

    Either a war with Iran for israeli interests. Or a civil war created by US because they want to leave their sphere of influence.

    Without China or Russia they can't do anything.
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    Post  Backman 29/01/21, 03:39 am

    Isos wrote:
    Hole wrote:Biden wants his bribe, that´s all.

    Too late. They already signed all the contracts. If he wants to freeze them they will have to pay.

    Unlike saudi aravia UAE have a strong and real army and they care about weapons they buy. If US stops delivery of f-35 they will just turn tgeir eyes on Russia or China that can protect them much better against Iran by diplomatically stoping any war before it starts.

    Turkey had signed the contracts and had pilots in the US training for the F-35 and they still got the boot.

    This is good for russia

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    Post  GarryB 29/01/21, 10:23 am

    Now that they find out what's hoing on there he stops "Trump's actions".

    Hahaha... it is all about undoing everything the previous president from the other party did.

    Trump undoes everything Oblama did... whether it was good for the American people or not, and now Biden is doing the same thing.

    You can see America as being a ship in the middle of the Atlantic or Pacific ocean... every week they vote for a new captain but any captain can only be a captain for two terms so even if one captain gets their two weeks they can only travel for two weeks before the opposition get in and turn the boat around because one party wants to go one way and the other party wants to go the other way and any progress or distance travelled in your time in command is going to be undone or pissed all over by the other team when they take over command.

    Enormous waste of time and money and effort... the people think they have control but the result is they never get the control long enough to reach land fall and get turned around every time... essentially turning in circles and never to find out if their destination is all it is cracked up to be... because nobody on the ship has ever been in either destination and as the ship sails and turns and sails some more the promises made to get command of the ship become more and more extreme... there is no way either destination can live up to the claims now... a bit like the F-35 programme itself...
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    Post  Isos 11/02/21, 05:54 am

    So new issue. Civilian 5G is a jammer for f-35 lol1 . And Russia spends money on Krashuka 4321 jammers for nothing when US jamm their own stuff. I wonder how they will solve it.



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    #NATO countries opposed 5G pilot zone near St. Petersburg,#Russia.

    Base stations, which operate at 4.8-4.99 GHz near St. Petersburg, interfere with military aircraft, the authorities of #Latvia, #Estonia and #Finland said.

    These countries think 5G network may interfere F35!

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    Post  magnumcromagnon 16/02/21, 06:25 am

    Engine Problems For America’s F-35 Stealth Fighter Continue to Undermine Fleet’s Operational Readiness

    The U.S. Air Force’s F-35A fifth generation single engine fighter will see fewer performance demonstrations in 2021 than previously planned due to ongoing issues with the aircraft’s F135 engine. Although the F135 is the most powerful engine used by any fighter in the world, Pentagon officials have cited issues with its power module as a key cause for the F-35’s low mission capable rates - which has been one of many issues that have delayed Pentagon plans to declare the fighter fully combat ready. The engine is produced by Pratt & Whitney, which is now owned by the Raytheon Technologies Corp., and has faced not only performance issues but also a shortage in numbers - in part due to the very high numbers of F-35s currently being produced. The fighter is currently being manufactured on a larger scale than any other Western combat jet, and for several years leading up to 2020 it was the only fighter being manufactured for the U.S. Air Force. Nevertheless, the aircraft's many serious performance issues have led it to draw harsh criticism from multiple officials including more than one defence secretary.
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    Pentagon spokesman John Kirby highlighted regarding issues with the F-35’s combat readiness rates: "The leadership team here is focused on a comprehensive recovery plan to mitigate the readiness impact to our F-35 operational units… They don't deem the engine issues right now to be a safety of flight issue, but maintenance inspections are resulting in unscheduled engine removal." One outstanding issue with the F135 has been overheating of a surface coating on its turbine blades, which causes the blades to crack and means engines need to be taken out of service earlier than planned and undergo maintenance more frequently. This has been but one of several factors which has undermined the F-35’s availability rates - with the aircraft requiring much more maintenance than the fighter it was designed to replace the F-16. This is reflected in the F-35’s very high operational cost for a single engine fighter, which far surpassed estimates when the program began, at approximately $31,000 per hour compared to the F-16’s hourly operational cost of only around $7,700 - a little under a quarter that of the F-35. It remains to be seen when or whether the F-35’s combat readiness issues will be resolved, although reports that the U.S. Air Force plans to cut over a third of planned orders for the aircraft and instead purchase enhanced variants of the F-16, an aircraft approaching 50 years since its first flight, bodes ill for the program.

    https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/engine-problems-for-americas-f-35-stealth-fighter-continue-to-undermine-fleet-s-operational-readiness

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    Post  JohninMK 16/02/21, 04:03 pm

    That will teach them to go single source. They should have kept the Rolls Royce version going to keep a cap on price and pressure on performance, but then the ongoing bribes (sorry political contributions) potential created by a single source decision would have been amazing.
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    Post  PapaDragon 16/02/21, 07:05 pm

    Isos wrote:So new issue. Civilian 5G is a jammer for f-35 lol1 . And Russia spends money on Krashuka 4321 jammers for nothing when US jamm their own stuff. I wonder how they will solve it.



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    #NATO countries opposed 5G pilot zone near St. Petersburg,#Russia.

    Base stations, which operate at 4.8-4.99 GHz near St. Petersburg, interfere with military aircraft, the authorities of #Latvia, #Estonia and #Finland said.

    These countries think 5G network may interfere F35!

    In order to improve business competitiveness of Russian economy Russia should fast track rollout of 5G network across it's entire Western and Pacific region ASAP Cool


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    Post  JohninMK 16/02/21, 09:42 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    In order to improve business competitiveness of Russian economy Russia should fast track rollout of 5G network across it's entire Western and Pacific region ASAP Cool

    Using the best most competitive gear no doubt. From Huawei of course. Got to spend all those Yen on something!

    Creating a double US piss-off.

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    Post  JohninMK 17/02/21, 01:06 am

    Not just the F-35, its all of them.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9266765/5G-smartphones-interfere-CRITICAL-aircraft-instruments-authority-warns.html

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    Post  GarryB 17/02/21, 08:29 am

    This is reflected in the F-35’s very high operational cost for a single engine fighter, which far surpassed estimates when the program began, at approximately $31,000 per hour compared to the F-16’s hourly operational cost of only around $7,700 - a little under a quarter that of the F-35.

    So original estimates of 31K per hour costs... it is something like 68K in actual costs... compared with just under 8K for the F-16...

    There is more focus on making new ones than there is in fixing them and getting them working properly... this Microsoft mentality of getting the customer to beta test and trouble shoot problems seems to be failing somehow...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon 24/02/21, 01:00 pm

    The USAF *finally* admitted what was almost painfully obvious for good half a dozen years already:

    F-35 is a massive cock-up of a project.
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    The U.S. Air Force Just Admitted The F-35 Stealth Fighter Has Failed


    https://twitter.com/gunner_schmulke/status/1364297181855891462

    David Axe of all people authored the article LMAO!!! lol1  lol1  lol1  I'm sure he's crying himself asleep as we speak lol! clown pwnd clown pwnd

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    Post  Isos 24/02/21, 02:21 pm

    lol1

    So now they want a "5th generation minus" light fighter.

    I already see this shit fail and lockeed martin guys smiling at the money they will make. lol1

    I guess the export countries must be speechless. Until yesterday they beleived al the fake data US gave them. Now they will have to give them the real data.

    But I'm impressed they sold a lot of them to those assholes.

    Drawback is that many 5th generation were started to counter f-35 and will probably be more successfull. Which will oblige US to start another and another project.

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    Post  LMFS 24/02/21, 04:23 pm

    We discussed this in the USAF thread, I am surprised that the very US press is swinging the axe (pun intended) on the F-35 like that. They are going sensationalistic, most people that know a bit are not taking it so bluntly and I myself will wait for further news to be published, because there is a lot that can be misinterpreted in this issue. But I have to agree that taking it face value this is an admission that the F-35 is a failed program, as the F-22 was, and that they are not making any sense, because in 2021 you don't start developing a "clean sheet" 4.5 fighter. That is an admission not only that F-35 failed, but that the whole stealth myth has been busted. The only difference between a "4.5G or 5G minus" (that is a total misnomer they are using to bullshit us as usually) fighter with modern systems and architecture and a F-35 is that one will be something like a KF-X for instance, that is, less stealthy and more simple. And of course, the logical way to complement any possible "gap" they may have with their fleet (they had none apparently all these years) is an UCAV, which they are already developing...

    So, they don't make sense. At all. But if this gets confirmed they are going to deserve to be laughed at for aeons for mocking Russians and their Su-35 and then starting themselves to do the same, only 20 years later and after having failed badly with their 5G. First with the F-15EX and now this, it would be deeply embarrassing. I am remembering some discussions with "cold warriors" in this board about that very topic years ago and then it was quite radical to call it like that, now maybe not so much. I also remember Pierre Sprey being virtually lynched for saying that the program would be somehow stopped not far beyond 500 or 600 units, because it was flawed, which is dangerously close to the point we are now respekt

    We will see, but this has definitely potential to be a monumental fuckup...

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    Post  JohninMK 24/02/21, 09:37 pm

    Looks like a lucky escape for Turkey.

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    Post  ahmedfire 24/02/21, 10:16 pm

    Still they will contiue selling it by politics and sanctions Laughing
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    Post  PapaDragon 24/02/21, 11:38 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:David Axe of all people authored the article LMAO!!! I'm sure he's crying himself asleep as we speak lol! ...

    I wonder what was the size of the dildo he had to jam up his ass before he was able to find it in himself to pen that article lol1



    Isos wrote:So now they want a "5th generation minus" light fighter....

    They already have it, it called F-15X and is the same damn thing that Russians did with Su-30SM decade ago

    Here's an idea: Russia should come up with fresh paintjob for it's 4+ Generation Su-35 and call it 5- Generation

    As a teacher I can tell you that difference between grades 4+ and 5- is miniscule anyway Cool



    JohninMK wrote:Looks like a lucky escape for Turkey.

    Not so much for Poland (and they were so eager)






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    Post  Isos 25/02/21, 12:15 am

    F-15X is big. And L&M will push for a totally new project to get 1000 billion for it.

    All the export countries will have to buy it. They still need to pay back the program cost, even if they have to get them empty. Not their choice, satellite countries...
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    Post  GarryB 25/02/21, 03:02 pm

    Drawback is that many 5th generation were started to counter f-35 and will probably be more successfull. Which will oblige US to start another and another project.

    The irony is sweet that the F-35 was touted as so wonderful so anything they replace it with wont be as capable but will probably be much more effective... this is terrible news because instead of 3,500 dogs that suck money from their budgets and still don't work properly they might improve the performance of their airfleets with more of their older model aircraft...

    I wonder what was the size of the didlo he had to jam up his ass before he was able to find it in himself to pen that article

    I would guess the usual dildo he prefers... rolled up 100 dollar notes from the company that is likely going to profit from what he says... in this case the makers of F-15s and F-16s and F-18s in the US, and Typhoon and Rafale and Gripen in Europe.

    They already have it, it called F-15X and is the same damn thing that Russians did with Su-30SM decade ago

    Restarting production of F-16s will be a good way to spend lots of money too...

    F-15X is big. And L&M will push for a totally new project to get 1000 billion for it.

    JF-17 perhaps? Twisted Evil 10 billion for the Chinese to make 10,000 of them and the rest goes straight into LM pockets...

    All the export countries will have to buy it. They still need to pay back the program cost, even if they have to get them empty. Not their choice, satellite countries...

    The cost of hurriedly putting it back into production will mean it wont be a huge amount cheaper than the F-35... and of course why would Europe or the rest of the world buy F-15s and F-16s again... a lot will start looking at Typhoons and Rafales and even Gripens instead of being forced to buy F-35s.

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    Post  GarryB 28/02/21, 11:18 am

    Still they will contiue selling it by politics and sanctions

    If they do stop making them the prices for the last aircraft made will have to cover the costs that the remaining 3,000 were going to cover so the price will probably go up sharply and the chances of the problems with the aircraft being fixed now just plummeted to new depths of not likely.

    The US can talk about F-16s and F-15s back in production but I suspect many european countries will want european planes instead.

    This might be very good for Typhoon and Rafale and Su-35 sales...

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