Arms contracts with Venezuela

Viktor wrote:Similar stories in the past always led to a large military purchase

Russia opened for Venezuela a new credit line

hi Victor, can you provide a brief translate please? wonder are more jets on the cards?

crod wrote:

Viktor wrote:Similar stories in the past always led to a large military purchase

Russia opened for Venezuela a new credit line

hi Victor, can you provide a brief translate please? wonder are more jets on the cards?

and as I foretold   

Venezuela will buy new weapons to Russia and China

@cord use google translator as I do.

It is said that Russia aproved new credit line for Venecuela and those kind of things always led to large military purchase and I think this time might not be different as well.

These 11 S-300VM would be great and needed but I have not found a single evidence about it.

George1 wrote:A review of equipment that Venezuela has bought:

Air Defense Artillery
S-300VM: 1 system in service with 11 on order
BUK-M2: 3 missile systems
S-125 Pechora-2M: 11 mobile missile systems
Tor-M1: 12 systems ain service, with 12 to be delivered for a total of 24
9K338 Igla-S (SA-24 Grinch): 2000
ZU-23-2 twin 23mm AA: 300 units on order from Russia. Zom 1-4 version.


Fighter aircrafts
Su-30MKV: 24


Helicopters
Mil Mi-35M: 10
Mil Mi-17-1V: 38
Mil Mi-26T2: 3


Ground Forces Equipment:
T-72M1: 92
BМP-3: 126
BTR-80A: 114
2S23 Nona-SVK:13
BM-21 Grad 122mm: 24
BM-9A52 Smerch: 12
2S11 120mm Mortar: 24

Good to see Russia off loading some of the older stuff like T-72, BM-21, and S-125(SA-3), although with upgrades these systems are still good.

Viktor wrote:These 11 S-300VM would be great and needed but I have not found a single evidence about it.

Well they're going to need it now seeing they have WMD's:

Former Los Alamos scientist sentenced in plot to sell nuclear secrets to Venezuela

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Venezuela Plans to Buy More Russian Weapons

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Venezuela Has Its Eye on Russia as Arms Supplier

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Venezuela will buy in the next six months at the RF technique for engineering troops

Venezuela received 3 wheeled BUK-M2 batteries = one regiment

Several battalions of SAM "Buk-M2E" went to serve in Venezuela

Viktor wrote:Venezuela received several wheeled BUK-M2 batteries

Several battalions of SAM "Buk-M2E" went to serve in Venezuela

Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands.

AlfaT8 wrote:Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands.

Yes, unfortunately true. It won't take much considering the very bad economical situation in the country. At least Russia didn't sell to Venezuela its top-notch equipment (S-400, Su-35).

Svyatoslavich wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands.

Yes, unfortunately true. It won't take much considering the very bad economical situation in the country. At least Russia didn't sell to Venezuela its top-notch equipment (S-400, Su-35).

S-400s not for sale yet and SU-35s are to expensive, the TOR-M2E was a goody, a pity, Pantsir is next i bet.

AlfaT8 wrote:

Viktor wrote:Venezuela received several wheeled BUK-M2 batteries

Several battalions of SAM "Buk-M2E" went to serve in Venezuela

Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands.

There's a reason Russia sells export versions.

Russia had no problem sharing its S-300/S-400 with South Korea, agreeing to sell Iskander systems to Saudi Arabia, or selling Pantsir-S1s to other Gulf Arab states; yet all of them are US client states.

The Buk series is nothing the US isn't familiar with from Finland, Georgia or the Ukraine.
Russia is about to introduce the Buk-M3, therefore the US getting its hands on and analyzing the export version of the Buk-M2, 1-2 years from now, is not that big a deal.

AlfaT8 wrote:Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands.

It does not matter for the export version and export versions (one of many ) are whats being sold.

Different kind of export version exists for the countries that are targeted for hostile take over.

flamming_python wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:

Viktor wrote:Venezuela received several wheeled BUK-M2 batteries

Several battalions of SAM "Buk-M2E" went to serve in Venezuela

Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands.

There's a reason Russia sells export versions.

Russia had no problem sharing its S-300/S-400 with South Korea, agreeing to sell Iskander systems to Saudi Arabia, or selling Pantsir-S1s to other Gulf Arab states; yet all of them are US client states.

The Buk series is nothing the US isn't familiar with from Finland, Georgia or the Ukraine.
Russia is about to introduce the Buk-M3, therefore the US getting its hands on and analyzing the export version of the Buk-M2, 1-2 years from now, is not that big a deal.

From what i have been able dig up, the S.Korean KM-SAM has more to do with the S-350 rather then the S-300/400, and Iskander for SA is news to me, Pantsir was expected.

I'm not worried about Russia, i know the exports can't be compared with the domestic ones much less the next gen M3, i am more concerned about the other parties that have bought the exports that are under threat of future western "freedom crusades", a pity for them.

Viktor wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands.

It does not matter for the export version and export versions (one of many ) are whats being sold.

Different kind of export version exists for the countries that are targeted for hostile take over.

I hope your right Viktor, i really do.

Viktor wrote:

AlfaT8 wrote:Man, Russia's gonna take a hit when regime change happens in Venezuela, so many good weaponry falling into U.S hands.

It does not matter for the export version and export versions (one of many ) are whats being sold.

Different kind of export version exists for the countries that are targeted for hostile take over.

The problem is not that people see the export versions as equal to russian domestic versions, but rather the US which lacks generations behind russia and even other countries in PVO will get technologies that surpass any modern version of their Patriot PAC3 or any other system not to mention the non existent modern western SHORADS the US would have when they get their hands on.

Air Defence is a strategic asset and to play into your enemies hands with technologies it does not posses as right now is a very big mistake in planning, imo.

The US isn't stupid, they drive their proxy war via european countries towards russia and russia sooner or later will have to retaliate with nukes against NATO strategic assets in Germany (mainly) but the US will still have used tactical nukes against russia, while Russia will not see fit or attempt using tactical nukes against US mainlan which would be necessary not to mention out of justice to punish the evil of this WW3 policy.

Werewolf wrote:The problem is not that people see the export versions as equal to russian domestic versions, but rather the US which lacks generations behind russia and even other countries in PVO will get technologies that surpass any modern version of their Patriot PAC3 or any other system not to mention the non existent modern western SHORADS the US would have when they get their hands on.

Air Defence is a strategic asset and to play into your enemies hands with technologies it does not posses as right now is a very big mistake in planning, imo.

The US isn't stupid, they drive their proxy war via european countries towards russia and russia sooner or later will have to retaliate with nukes against NATO strategic assets in Germany (mainly) but the US will still have used tactical nukes against russia, while Russia will not see fit or attempt using tactical nukes against US mainlan which would be necessary not to mention out of justice to punish the evil of this WW3 policy.

I think US has way bigger problem with Russian PVO than the one you mentioned. US besides your argument with which I agree does not know where to place them because protecting

US on the scale seen in Russian case would bancrupt them momentarely.

Viktor wrote:

Werewolf wrote:The problem is not that people see the export versions as equal to russian domestic versions, but rather the US which lacks generations behind russia and even other countries in PVO will get technologies that surpass any modern version of their Patriot PAC3 or any other system not to mention the non existent modern western SHORADS the US would have when they get their hands on.

Air Defence is a strategic asset and to play into your enemies hands with technologies it does not posses as right now is a very big mistake in planning, imo.

The US isn't stupid, they drive their proxy war via european countries towards russia and russia sooner or later will have to retaliate with nukes against NATO strategic assets in Germany (mainly) but the US will still have used tactical nukes against russia, while Russia will not see fit or attempt using tactical nukes against US mainlan which would be necessary not to mention out of justice to punish the evil of this WW3 policy.

I think US has way bigger problem with Russian PVO than the one you mentioned. US besides your argument with which I agree does not know where to place them because protecting

US on the scale seen in Russian case would bancrupt them momentarely.

That is one argument, but the little perception or maybe even fact that russia wouldn't even use tactical nukes against US if US dares to attack Russia via proxy NATO meatshield and with their tactical nukes in Germany,Netherland, Italy, Turkey not to mention nukes brits and french have. I see that as a huge problem and the current policy and hardcore pushing of US to go crazy with NATO agaisnt russia along with their deployment of ABM in east europe to counter any retaliation with tactical nukes to stop NATO from attacking Russia, all that combined with russias reluctance and limited capability with tactical nukes to attack US mainland is problem.

To further elaborate what the problem is, if you do not punch the bully he will keep bullying, so russia needs to destroy military assets in US in when the US attacks Russia, but strategic weapons are a no go and will not be used, since MAD is assured, the only option is tactical nuking and deep strike missions the only other even more likely option is nuking with Shkval US Navy fleet and comprimising it to the level of Finish fleet to assure US shuts the fuck up for rest of time. That is what is necessary, if Russia tries to play WW3 by US rules and fight only the proxy vassal meatshield states in Europe it will lose, it needs to get US not just a bloody nose but at least a century lasting coma punch so it leaves the rest of the world alone.

"Venezuela will purchase at least 12 fighter jets from Russia, President Nicolas Maduro said Sunday. "I will talk to [Russian] President Vladimir Putin to deliver at least 12 new [Sukhoi] Su [fighter jets] to Venezuela and replace the one lost [on Friday]," Maduro said as quoted by the Noticias24 news website. On Friday, a Venezuelan Air Force Sukhoi Su-30 fighter jet crashed on the country's border with Columbia. The Venezuelan government also plans to sign a contract with China on military equipment delivery, the president added. The equipment will be used to fight drug trafficking, particularly from Colombia, according to him."




Maybe they will try to obtain SU35 as some were mentioning few years ago.

Source: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150921/1027280758.html#ixzz3pOTkvPNc

sepheronx wrote:Venezuela to Buy at Least 12 Russian Fighter Jets - President Maduro

MEXICO CITY (Sputnik) — Venezuela will purchase at least 12 fighter jets from Russia, President Nicolas Maduro said Sunday.
"I will talk to [Russian] President Vladimir Putin to deliver at least 12 new [Sukhoi] Su [fighter jets] to Venezuela and replace the one lost [on Friday]," Maduro said as quoted by the Noticias24 news website.

On Friday, a Venezuelan Air Force Sukhoi Su-30 fighter jet crashed on the country's border with Columbia.

This comes after a Su-30 crashed in Venezuela.  Does our Venezuelan members have any idea as to how the aircraft crashed?  Seems that Russian aircrafts are gonna keep getting bad light as Venezuela doesn't seem to have issues with is far older F-16's.

Nothing solid has been published only "One crashed during an intercept mission of an unidentified intruding aircraft from Colombia on 17. September 2015.". Also i am not sure how many and how much their F16s are flying tho, you know that they already tried to overhaul them in 1998. i dont think they pulled many flying hours since then.

Militarov wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Venezuela to Buy at Least 12 Russian Fighter Jets - President Maduro

MEXICO CITY (Sputnik) — Venezuela will purchase at least 12 fighter jets from Russia, President Nicolas Maduro said Sunday.
"I will talk to [Russian] President Vladimir Putin to deliver at least 12 new [Sukhoi] Su [fighter jets] to Venezuela and replace the one lost [on Friday]," Maduro said as quoted by the Noticias24 news website.

On Friday, a Venezuelan Air Force Sukhoi Su-30 fighter jet crashed on the country's border with Columbia.

This comes after a Su-30 crashed in Venezuela.  Does our Venezuelan members have any idea as to how the aircraft crashed?  Seems that Russian aircrafts are gonna keep getting bad light as Venezuela doesn't seem to have issues with is far older F-16's.

Nothing solid has been published only "One crashed during an intercept mission of an unidentified intruding aircraft from Colombia on 17. September 2015.". Also i am not sure how many and how much their F16s are flying tho, you know that they already tried to overhaul them in 1998. i dont think they pulled many flying hours since then.

Purchase of an additional batch of Sukhoi 30MKs has been confirmed following a meeting between Maduro and his Defence Minister. This was reported by SputnikNews in Portuguese last September as updated on October 5th.
http://br.sputniknews.com/mundo/20150922/2191363/Venezuela-cacas-sukhoi-russia.html