I have always heard here in America that Soviet soldiers mass raped German civilian women in Germany during World War II; What is true?
The western view of the war on the eastern front came largely from our west german allies... if the Soviets mass raped German women why would they have stopped fighting?
Even without opening that link... the biggest mass rape in history?
Have you heard of comfort girls, or Japanese treatment of China and other countries in Asia?
You can find people who will contest that fact, but don't listen to them.
They are either naive or politically motivated or know shit.
And no, Germans were not even close to them, with tons of racial regulations and severe punishment applied to soldiers who did.
Don't listen to anyone who disagrees with me because they are just falling for propaganda... remember the Germans were the good guys and the Soviets were the bad guys so it is obvious that the Soviets were guilty and the Germans were totally innocent...
After what the Soviets went through the previous years of war there were a lot of things they wanted to do to the Germans, but raping them was likely not the highest priority.
Even if they did, and I don't believe they did, they had every justification to do to the German people a small fraction of what the Germans had been doing the previous four years of the war to Russians.
The claim that the Germans had better discipline is bullshit.... there were no rules or consequences for German soldiers in the Soviet Union for anything, they could, and did, anything they pleased with no consequences for four years.
The Soviets had all sorts of regulations too... no army is stupid enough to think it can control a population and rape them at the same time and expect order.
The starving population of Germany provided hundreds of thousands of women motivated to do anything for social security.
So German women were whores for food... that is all you need to say.
It was only rape if you are racist like those bitches...
The question should be put in a different perspective.
Why did the Soviets behave themself this way?
You have not proved it even happened yet... plenty of women in a war zone are found to be pregnant... of course they are going to claim they were raped, they are hardly going to admit to being whores for food.
Well, I can give you a first-hand story, as my grandmother was raped by a Soviet soldier in Germany, 1945.
She witnessed that all.
Wow... that is all the proof we need... one German woman raped once by one soldier... it must have been rampant...
They feel a need to punish the entire population, and rape was one of the tools.
Bullshit... you hate someone you don't rape them... you just shoot them or let them starve.
No matter how harsh was the punishment, and no matter how inevitable - you can't stop a guy who is much closer to Gengis Khan rather to Dostoyevsky.
Of course... half asian Russian monkeys could not deny their libedoes... in many cases they could not help themselves.
With just one rape by one Russian your grandma must have been ugly.
By the way, the soldier who raped my grandma was executed without any trial.
She complained to the garrison commander, he only asked if she can recognize the guy. She said yes, so he gathered the squad.
Grandma recognized and showed the guy, and the Russian officer just took out his TT and shot him straight between the eyes, point blank.
So what the **** are you complaining about... do you think that Russians grandmother who got raped in Kiev two years before could go to the local german commander and get the same result? They would likely pass her around the room and then shoot her.
Rape and murder is a tool of war and used to be ones for ages.
Your own example contradicts what you are saying... if Rape was accepted tool of war then your grandmother would be dead.... shot by the commander who shot the rapist with the bullet he used on the rapist.
There were mass rapes at any side of the conflict, we can only discuss the scale and reasons behind it.
Your last post you said the Germans didn't rape... too civilised.
The Soviet general staff put attention to that matter, so you can guess if they did that because the issue was non-existent.
Denying the rapes there is just the same stupid, as denying organized brothels existing for the Japanese army, and the Germans.
But the Soviets were the bad guys... why did they put rules to stop it... why did the Soviet commander shoot the rapist and not the rape victim?
Or discussing the fact, that after the war, whole western occupied zones turned to be a big brothel, where sex was a currency to feed yourself.
So it is not rape if you give them a chocolate bar afterwards...
The Soviets rape us, and the Americans give us Chocolate bars... well at least you have a balanced view of what happened.
And If I were you, I would not even touch the abortion issue, because it will kick you back like a mule.
First of all, I will remind you that abortion itself was a legal mean of birth control in the 3rd Reich.
Arian laws actually encouraged the non-Arian population for it, and combined with the eugenics, any German woman could have a legal abortion due to "fetus deformation".
It was not a big deal at all well into a war, only in 1944 or so, some codification changes were applied to "protect the Arians".
But people give a shit about that.
Now comes the interesting part of the story.
As soon as the war ended, both parts of divided Germany implemented a different means.
The western zone returned to the pre-Nazi code, that restricted abortion in full.
On the other hand, the Eastern Germany didn't care of that at all till the 50s, and then took a Soviet way. Abortion was perfectly legal in the Soviet Union.
The estimates for abortion rates for after-war Germany are considered as high as 2 mln A YEAR.
So they murder their own unborn babies... so rape is really not an issue is it?
Or are you arguing the Soviets kept raping the poor innocent Germans into the 1950s... I am impressed by their stamina....
Yes people do bad things
No.... only the Soviets... the Soviet soldiers kept their chocolate bars so that made them rapists.
All were just the same.
At any side of the front, and any time.
Soviets might have some "advantages" to the matter, but if we consider the context ...
We are talking about the guys who fought a 4 years of crushing, brutal and inhuman war. Who lost the relatives. Wives, children, parents, sisters, and brothers.
Most of them were not even raped, slaved, and struggled, but slaughtered like animals.
Burned alive, buried alive, massacred with hand granades&flamethrowers while hiding in basements.
That is funny, the real issue is that the Germans fought the Soviets tooth and nail right to the finish, while most germans treated the western allies like liberators as the best alternative to being occupied.
If the German people wanted to be treated better then they should have surrendered.
How many soviet soldiers died taking Berlin... if you want to fight to the end then you should be prepared to be killed.
And perhaps you could say slaughtered like Germans killing soviets...
So if we have a pictures like that, facts like that, and history like that - think twice if you do more good or bad with childish denial strategy.
So it wasn't the fault of German soldiers... it was those bad ethinic minorities they had in their ranks later in the war... germans are nice people...
And then you mention the atrocities in the eastern front were on a different scale... so why would the personal animosity be on a different scale too.
Still waiting for figures for the mass rapes claimed on the eastern front by Soviet soldiers.
2 million abortions is nothing... they could be with anyone and no evidence of rapes... unless the rapes continued into the 1960s...
Funny how some East Germans are nostalgic for the Cold war if they were all rapists...[/quote]