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    Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia

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    Post  George1 Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:54 pm

    "To protect the Baltics from Russia": Polish general proposed to create a "Baltic Union"

    https://en.topwar.ru/181551-dlja-zaschity-pribaltiki-ot-rossii-polskij-general-predlozhil-sozdat-baltijskij-sojuz.html


    In Kiev, they said that the world media should call the conflict in Donbass a "Russian-Ukrainian war"

    https://en.topwar.ru/181544-v-kieve-zajavili-chto-mirovye-smi-dolzhny-nazyvat-konflikt-na-donbasse-rossijsko-ukrainskoj-vojnoj.html

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 02, 2021 8:44 pm

    George1 wrote:"To protect the Baltics from Russia": Polish general proposed to create a "Baltic Union"

    https://en.topwar.ru/181551-dlja-zaschity-pribaltiki-ot-rossii-polskij-general-predlozhil-sozdat-baltijskij-sojuz.html...

    Will poor shmucks in Germany be stuck paying for this too?



    George1 wrote:In Kiev, they said that the world media should call the conflict in Donbass a "Russian-Ukrainian war"

    https://en.topwar.ru/181544-v-kieve-zajavili-chto-mirovye-smi-dolzhny-nazyvat-konflikt-na-donbasse-rossijsko-ukrainskoj-vojnoj.html

    When it happens they will

    Questionis what will the Ukraine(s) be called then?

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    Post  LMFS Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:06 am

    George1 wrote:"To protect the Baltics from Russia": Polish general proposed to create a "Baltic Union"

    https://en.topwar.ru/181551-dlja-zaschity-pribaltiki-ot-rossii-polskij-general-predlozhil-sozdat-baltijskij-sojuz.html

    Isn't that a rather embarrassing admission that NATO does not give a fuck about them?? Poor, lame Baltic chihuahuas Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 03, 2021 8:33 am

    Or an admission that HATO can't actually save them and therefore probably wouldn't even bother trying.

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    Post  kvs Sun Apr 25, 2021 8:19 pm



    Russian liberasts can't find any evidence of serious Russian problems so they fake them up.   In the above video the
    case of a Gypsy ghetto in Bulgaria claimed to be a normal scene in Russia is covered.   The cell phone shot is overlaid
    with a narration about how "thankful Russians are for not living in the USA".    Seriously, these retarded sacks of shit
    can't even chose Canada or some western European country where things are half decent, they simply worship
    the US and spread its gospel of lies.

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    Post  kvs Sat May 08, 2021 12:42 am



    I don't want to put this video in this thread, but when it comes to the evaluation of Russian military hardware this is the right topic.
    You can see how effective is the cacophony of Russia fail and Russia declining drivel is. Even moderate and informed analysts actually
    think Russia is still using legacy Soviet military hardware. According the Russian Ministry of Defence, new hardware accounts for
    over 70% of the total equipment pool. The idea that Russia is sitting on rotting Soviet junk is cringeworthy.

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    Post  George1 Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:51 pm

    In the Polish press: the ruling party in Poland said that Russia has a plan to invade the country

    https://en.topwar.ru/184733-v-polskoj-presse-v-pravjaschej-v-polshe-partii-zajavili-chto-u-rossii-est-plan-vtorzhenija-v-stranu.html
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    Post  Hole Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:43 am

    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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    Post  kvs Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:17 am

    George1 wrote:In the Polish press: the ruling party in Poland said that Russia has a plan to invade the country

    https://en.topwar.ru/184733-v-polskoj-presse-v-pravjaschej-v-polshe-partii-zajavili-chto-u-rossii-est-plan-vtorzhenija-v-stranu.html

    Narcissist trash. You clowns are not worth Russia's time.

    They secretly hope to be violated by the bad boy.

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    Post  lancelot Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:31 am

    George1 wrote:In the Polish press: the ruling party in Poland said that Russia has a plan to invade the country
    https://en.topwar.ru/184733-v-polskoj-presse-v-pravjaschej-v-polshe-partii-zajavili-chto-u-rossii-est-plan-vtorzhenija-v-stranu.html

    Of course they do. I bet the US has plans to invade Canada and Mexico as well. Every military worth its salt has contingency plans for everything and anything really.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 07, 2021 1:52 pm

    They will have plans for all sorts of things...

    HATO will have all sorts of plans to attack Russia too but they wont implement them because they are in the business of invade and conquer.... steal and rape not suicide.
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 07, 2021 3:16 pm

    kvs wrote:
    They secretly hope to be violated by the bad boy.

    And what do you find particularly amazing, as "law" and "justice" party is led by 70 y/o faggot, whose liver would fell off his arse if he would only spread his legs standing?
    Several of the prominent activists are hidden homosexuals there Laughing and the parliament ex-chairman is a pedophile.
    Carry on, carry on, nothing to see there ... Laughing Laughing

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    Post  Maximmmm Wed Jul 07, 2021 7:25 pm

    kvs wrote:

    I don't want to put this video in this thread, but when it comes to the evaluation of Russian military hardware this is the right topic.
    You can see how effective is the cacophony of Russia fail and Russia declining drivel is.   Even moderate and informed analysts actually
    think Russia is still using legacy Soviet military hardware.    According the Russian Ministry of Defence, new hardware accounts for
    over 70% of the total equipment pool.   The idea that Russia is sitting on rotting Soviet junk is cringeworthy.  

    I think it's in general a reflection of the lack of high-quality analytics about Russia.
    Most of the Soviet-era experts have retired/died and because of the lack of interest until maybe 2008, there's nobody to replace them.
    At best you get some expats who got their position by putin-bashing, and thus have absolutely no knowledge.
    Randomly good stuff does come up, I remember during the early days of the Syrian intervention, until maybe 2017-2018 there were occasionally good articles looking at intensity of flight ops, tracking increased BSF activity (syrian express) and stuff like that, but it was rare and it dried up pretty quickly once the situation calcified.

    Also, everybody lives in a 15s timeframe, even the analysis guys.

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    Post  andalusia Wed Oct 20, 2021 1:21 pm

    This article thinks Russia and Chinese militaries don't compare to US military; I want to know, do more informed people on this forum think it is true?




    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-china-still-t-compare-224900293.html
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    Post  kvs Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:21 pm

    andalusia wrote:This article thinks Russia and Chinese militaries don't compare to US military; I want to know, do more informed people on this forum think it is true?




    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-china-still-t-compare-224900293.html


    The performance of the US army during WWII, the Korean war and Vietnam left much to be desired. The Gulf War and the 2003 Iraq invasion
    were a turkey shoot and not a measure of US superiority. When faced with real push-back the US army does not perform well.

    The US landed on the European continent when the Nazis were in full retreat on the eastern front. The Nazis were transferring
    large caliber cannons from the pill boxes to the eastern front. The US was facing second rate German forces in the west who
    substantially surrendered before fighting to the death. The Germans expected to die if they became Soviet POWs but expected
    to have it relatively easy if they became US POWs.

    But ever since WWII a myth has developed that the US army is invincible and I have heard many people back in the 1980s claim that
    the US won WWII. The only war the US won was its war with Japan and that is only after dropping two nuclear bombs to mass murder
    Japanese civilians.

    The US performance in Afghanistan shows that it has no staying power. It is all flash in a pan. Lots of sturm and drang and then
    more fizzle. This fits the nature of the US culture and MIC. Big talk, lots of grift of government money and then propaganda about
    victory. To this day Americans claim that they lost in Vietnam because of domestic protests. What utter BS. They lost in Vietnam
    and hard. That is after dropping vast quantities of bombs and chemical agents that killed millions of Vietnamese civilians. The true
    face of the US shows up in its demented worship of air power as some magic bullet to win wars. This was true in Iraq as well.

    I would like to see where the US has "won" without unrestricted air attack to soften up the target. Russia has the most advanced
    anti-aircraft systems on the planet. PERIOD. The US was never ahead in this regard from the 1950s on. In fact, the Soviet
    investment in air defense was prompted by the US obsession with air power and reflects a distinct development path. We see this
    with the fact that Russia has deployed hypersonic regional/theater missile systems and the US does not even have supersonic missile
    systems. (ICBMs are another category). The B-2 bomber demonstrates how detached from reality the US war machine is. They
    think that they will fly over Russia to drop bombs. Seriously. The US has no chance to soften up Russia like Iraq with bombs. They
    can't even do this with standoff missiles. Russia is something the US has never faced before and is clearly not laid out to handle.

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Oct 20, 2021 6:36 pm

    And it is worth adding that even if we consider a war in the Pacific, there is one thing obvious to anyone who ever studied the subject.
    Japan was a second-rate enemy for the European standards, or we can consider them even a 3rd grade, as the Reich allies were 2nd rate.
    That does not apply to the individual soldiers, who were brave, resistant, and fought till the end, but to the general strategy, squad training etc.
    The myth created by the Hollywood presents them as super soldiers, charging with samurai swords in banzai attacks.
    The truth is, that this behavior was an act of desperation, in a face of total technical overwhelming.
    There was a very interesting Russian military archeology expedition to the Kurils, and an extremely interesting conclusions.
    First, they found the Japanese army artefacts extremely rare, and in extremely severe conditions.
    Why ? Well, because facing a lack of functionally any strategic resources, the quality of that equipment was extreamly low. For example the helmets turns out to be made of iron, as they lacked steel. Military vehicles were made with wooden frames, that did not survive to this day, and made them much less resilient back then.
    Japanese strongpoints and bunqers were made of ... wood.
    As long as they occupied Indochina, they have access to a species called "ironwood", extreamly hard. This was used for fortifications, still, even that "iron" wood was not even close to the concrete fortifications made by the Germans, or in Europe in general.
    And as they lost the land relatively early in the war, they didn't have access even to that material, making the fortifications of the regular wood&dirt.
    This Is "the mighty Japan Imperial Army" in it's real shape.
    And Soviets proved that several times, starting from 1936, and ending in Mongolia in 1945 ...

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:36 pm

    andalusia wrote:This article thinks Russia and Chinese militaries don't compare to US military; I want to know, do more informed people on this forum think it is true?

    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-china-still-t-compare-224900293.html

    Kyle Mizokami?? Suspect

    Don't make me fucking laugh... This article is a nonsensical POS, and is written solely to appeal to murkan flag-wavers who are utterly depressed that the "sole Superpower" ( Laughing ) spent 20 years and trillions of fiat dollars trying to impose their will in Afghanistan, but proved incapable of defeating a rat-tag army of a few tens of thousands of poorly armed tribal irregulars who lacked a powerful sponsor, had no air force, no tanks or artillery, and lacked any significant nation-wide real-time C3 capabilities. Considering their utter and total failure, these murkan fuckwitz still think they have a more powerful military that Russia and China combined? Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

    Mizokami has no clue regarding reality. He's an idiot schmuck who gets paid to write stupid shit for stupid gullible idiots...

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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Oct 20, 2021 7:49 pm

    kvs wrote:Estonia has threatened to block Russian shipping through the Gulf of Finland.   This includes all civilian and military vessels.

    Please.  Go ahead.  I'd like nothing more than for Estonia to commit national suicide by fucking with Russian access to the Baltic. Let Estonia fire the first shot. Russia should simply  take the hit, launch full a media campaign to let the Russian people know exactly what has happened.  Raise hell diplomatically and let the Estonians and their NATO pimps know a response is coming.  Give them 24 hrs to sweat and for the rest of the world to find out what is happening and why (ie make sure Russia gets her message out before the SHTF) and then blitzkrieg those Nazi bastards with everything available. Reduce their military and government buildings to rubble, and then.... do absolutely nothing.  Make it clear that Estonia is not worth pissing on, and that Russia has zero territorial aspirations against them whatsoever.  

    If Estonia does anything so stupid, Russia should jump at the chance to demonstrate to those dumb NATO twats how a real nation defends its interests and responds to aggression from arrogant pissant fake states... Twisted Evil

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    Post  franco Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:16 pm

    andalusia wrote:This article thinks Russia and Chinese militaries don't compare to US military; I want to know, do more informed people on this forum think it is true?




    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/russia-china-still-t-compare-224900293.html

    First thing is the Rand group is an American think tank primarily funded by the US military.
    Secondly it depends on the location. Definitely a home field advantage for all 3 in any military exchange. Twenty years ago the Americans had a chance to win any localized battles. Not anymore...
    Thirdly total war destroys all.

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    Post  Arrow Wed Oct 20, 2021 9:29 pm

    It is worth considering whether the USA is still the largest military force in the world? scratch

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    Post  kvs Wed Oct 20, 2021 11:26 pm

    Arrow wrote:It is worth considering whether the USA is still the largest military force in the world? scratch

    Large is true but the potential is not a linear scaling of the different army sizes. The USA has a lot of carrier groups.
    Russia has none. This makes f*ck all difference for any US attack on Russia. The USA wouldn't even be able to park
    these groups anywhere near Russia's coasts. Thus, they have zero value. Maybe they can engage the Russian navy
    somewhere. But that is neither here nor there.

    The amount of meat that the USA and its NATzO proxies can field is not relevant either. US dick strokers routinely dismiss
    China's soldier figures. The same applies to them and NATzO.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:21 pm

    This article thinks Russia and Chinese militaries don't compare to US military; I want to know, do more informed people on this forum think it is true?

    The US military is a global military with bases and locations all over the planet, but they have very little experience facing peer enemies... they fought German forces in Africa but didn't fight them in France till they had already been beaten.

    Japan was very powerful compared with the countries in the Pacific they were fighting but as shown in Mongolia in 39 and China in 45 they were not the power with advantages and capabilities over its enemies it was in 05.

    Today the US military is powerful but it is directed by idiots that get it involved in wars that have nothing to do with defending the US, and everything to do with ensuring cheap oil supply or access to lithium sources or other reasons that ensure the 1% get richer...

    China is building new very capable aircraft and ships, but probably lacks direct combat experience, Russia is building... much slower... new ships and subs that are better in quality but lack the volume of the Chinese or US sides but they have experience in recent combat to ensure their new weapons are probably more practical and better than the US equivalents.

    Most of the conflicts the Russians have experienced recently have been because the enemy has been paid for or emboldened by direct or indirect western support.

    Russian air defence is second to none and is being improved all the time by western supported terrorists using drones and other difficult targets.

    The US has lots of large carrier groups to patrol the worlds oceans and keep its interests protected... Russia and China don't need to match the US in the number or size of those carrier groups because hypersonic missiles will be destroying US carrier groups rather than air power or ships or carriers.

    For the US a carrier is a strike carrier and the ships are there to protect the carriers.

    For Russia the ships are there to get the job done while the carrier is there to protect the ships and subs.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Oct 31, 2021 6:25 pm

    ALAMO wrote:And it is worth adding that even if we consider a war in the Pacific, there is one thing obvious to anyone who ever studied the subject.
    Japan was a second-rate enemy for the European standards, or we can consider them even a 3rd grade, as the Reich allies were 2nd rate.
    That does not apply to the individual soldiers, who were brave, resistant, and fought till the end, but to the general strategy, squad training etc.
    The myth created by the Hollywood presents them as super soldiers, charging with samurai swords in banzai attacks.
    The truth is, that this behavior was an act of desperation, in a face of total technical overwhelming.
    There was a very interesting Russian military archeology expedition to the Kurils, and an extremely interesting conclusions.
    First, they found the Japanese army artefacts extremely rare, and in extremely severe conditions.
    Why ? Well, because facing a lack of functionally any strategic resources, the quality of that equipment was extreamly low. For example the helmets turns out to be made of iron, as they lacked steel. Military vehicles were made with wooden frames, that did not survive to this day, and made them much less resilient back then.
    Japanese strongpoints and bunqers were made of ... wood.
    As long as they occupied Indochina, they have access to a species called "ironwood", extreamly hard. This was used for fortifications, still, even that "iron" wood was not even close to the concrete fortifications made by the Germans, or in Europe in general.
    And as they lost the land relatively early in the war, they didn't have access even to that material, making the fortifications of the regular wood&dirt.
    This Is "the mighty Japan Imperial Army" in it's real shape.
    And Soviets proved that several times, starting from 1936, and ending in Mongolia in 1945 ...

    With all respect ALAMO I've never heard such a load of baloney about WW2 (with the exception of Nazi revisionism)

    The Japs had an under-developed land-army, that much is true. Their tanks and armored vehicles were certainly 2nd-rate, their artillery and AT guns were outdated, while their infantry weapons tended to vary - they had a perfectly good rifle (in fact one of the best during the early war), but their machine-guns were again obsolete by that time. As for their tactics and organization I'm not read up on this but I can easily believe that it was behind the European practices of the time.

    This assessment might be true of the army though, but certainly not of the navy and air force, where the Japanese poured in their resources, and this is that which ultimately expelled the Dutch and the British, and tied up the Americans for so long.

    And even for the army - one can point to Khalkin-Gol or to the Soviet invasion of Manchuria at the end of the war against the by-then thoroughly depleted and ill-equipped Manchukou Army; but this ignores several important details.
    Firstly the Japanese held their own fine in Khalkin-Gol and against any other foe they would probably have emerged victorious. They were just outmatched by Zhukov and the very modern equipment the Soviets had stationed earlier in the theater, such as the BT-7s. Unlike the BS Wikipedia article, I am pretty sure they had a superiority of air-power and artillery throughout the campaign, the Soviets having the advantage in tanks and manpower. They also lost more in terms of casualties + captured, but the difference was not so great; the Soviets (an overwhelmingly land-based power) had a real fight on their hands.
    Secondly, it shouldn't escape notice that the Japs had most of their army stationed in China throughout the war, and were tied down by the huge amount of men the Chinese were throwing at them. In the Chinese theater, the Japs were regularly severely outnumbered, albeit certainly they had far superior equipment and better training. The Japanese took over the entire Chinese coast yet never knocked China out of the war, most of their divisions had to be kept there.
    The Japanese army therefore, was perfectly adequate for its primary adversary in China. It's fight meanwhile in Singapore and Indonesia was a cakewalk, against the same European armies, steel-helmets and all. In the Philippines, the Japs captured no less than 17 US Generals, and mopped up the combined Philippine-US forces across the whole territory in 3 months. In Burma the Japanese had a little more difficulty, but again emerged victorious not too much worse for wear.
    Can we say that the Japanese army was not a match for the US Marines? Well no, they put up a ferocious fight against them and eventually convinced the Americans to drop nukes on them rather than go through the same ordeal dialed up to 10 on the Japanese home islands as compared to what they witnessed on the Pacific islands. It's easy to dismiss Japanese tanks and infantry tactics and so on. But who were they up against? Also an enemy who came at first, with M3 Stuarts (the USMC wasn't re-equipped with Shermans until 1944!), and without much experience in land warfare. During the first land engagement of the Japs against the Yanks, in the Philippines, the US forces there were equipped mostly with Enfields rather than M1 Garands, and so did not even enjoy the advantage in terms of infantry small-arms.
    The fortification stuff meanwhile is beneath serious discussion. If the Nazis had occupied the Pacific Islands, would they have ringed them with concrete defenses? Dirt stops bullets and shells fine. The Soviets also relied mostly on dirt and wood defenses. The Brits and US didn't really build them at all (except in Singapore, where they proved futile), but when and where they needed some quick defenses, they relied on the same trenches and dug-outs as everyone else.
    The only ones who massively used concrete defenses and bunkers were the Nazis, but that's because they had the time and resources to work on them years ahead of where they knew the enemy would have to approach them.
    True, the Japanese Army would have been inferior to the Soviet one. But they succeeded in avoiding war with the USSR until the end, so that's a moot point.

    The Japanese lost the naval war to the US, but then anyone would have, the US was another naval power but just a superior one, and crucially with more industry and more access to resources, which the Japanese lacked.
    As mentioned, they also lost the industrial war, and the political war with them eventually being surrounded by victorious allied powers - the US, USSR and British
    And then they were just nuked

    None of this made them a 2nd rate much less 3rd rate military power. They took over half of Asia while operating under severe resource constrictions and never needed to be bailed out by anybody. This isn't Romania or even Italy we're talking about.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Oct 31, 2021 7:54 pm

    Are you really sure what you are discussing?
    That is my fault, I should have been more precise.
    The context clearly shows that I was talking about Japanese land forces, but I could have put it more clear.
    Japanese army - not AF or Navy - was a third-rate one if compared to the European theatre of operations.
    It sucked at functionally any level, from the soldier's individual gear, to the tactics.
    They have lacked modern equipment, tanks, artillery, means of transport, machine guns, artillery assets & communication
    Individual soldier gear was inferior by any standard if compared to functionally any European army.
    Due to lack of resources, there was functionally no technological progress, so in 1945 land forces of Japan were hardly distinguished from the army that fought China a decade earlier.
    Till the end of the war, Japanese soldier was armed with Type 38 rifle, the very same that proved to be already outdated during the war with China.
    Type 99 was not something that would change the general picture.
    The whole production of submachine guns was around 10 000 pcs. For a whole war.
    The best machine gun they have - Type 99 - represented a standard of European 30s, while the best heavy machine gun - Type 92 - used to be called "woodpecker". Because that was it's real rate of fire. Feed with ammo bars.
    The main reason for it was the Navy and AF, which sucked most of the resources&production potential.
    There is not much more to discuss here. scratch

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    Post  kvs Sun Oct 31, 2021 8:41 pm

    Japan demonstrates that reliance on the air force and navy is not good enough. The US is in a similar idiot mode today. They
    think that their air power is the silver bullet that will win all their wars. Of course, their land forces are not relatively backward
    like in the case of Japan, but they are not all that either.

    Most of the image about US military power is a fantasy fiction and propaganda generated scarecrow. The US is not prepared or
    able to take on Russia at all. That is why they are dangerous and will start a nuclear war if things go south. Their imbecilic hubris
    gets them going and then when things don't go according to their delusional plans, they will chicken shit style resort to desperate
    escalation.

    All the "thinking" in Washington about conventional war with Russia and pre-emptive nuclear strikes eliminating Russia's nuclear
    potential is pure delusional retardation.

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