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    Post  George1 Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:45 am

    Baltic Countries, Poland and Romania. The most anti-Russian countries...

    Certain countries speculate on Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact for political gains — expert


    Earlier, foreign ministers of the Baltic Countries, Poland and Romania delivered a joint statement on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact’s 80th anniversary


    MOSCOW, August 23. /TASS/. A number of Eastern European countries are exploiting the anniversary of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, or Treaty of Non-aggression, signed between the Soviet Union and Germany as an instrument of immediate political struggle and heightening tensions, Russian Valdai Discussion Club Board Chairman Andrey Bystritsky told TASS on Friday.

    Earlier, foreign ministers of the Baltic Countries, Poland and Romania delivered a joint statement on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact’s 80th anniversary. The ministers claimed that the pact had unleashed World War II and doomed half of Europe to decades of suffering.

    "This is not about history, not about what was happening many years ago, it is about what is happening now. This is political life, political struggle, political fears and leanings. In that sense, World War II never ended, because we are living in many paradigms left by the war," the expert said, commenting on this statement.

    "The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, just as much as the 1938 Munich Agreement, or the so-called Munich Betrayal, are historic events, which could be academically discussed in a sober manner, on the one hand. On the other hand, it plays a role in the immediate political struggle. Therefore, the Baltic States project their fears, concerns and bias on Russia. There is not even the slightest of ground for that," he said.

    According to Bystritsky, some politicians in Eastern Europe are alarmed by the talk of a possible G8 reinstatement and they obtained an "extra reason to react." "They believe that it is favorable to paint Russia as a threat, as they believe that they will secure more assistance this way. They need to keep everybody on their toes for that, including their western partners, therefore, they need to use every chance they get to heighten this anxiety, increase this alarmism," the political scientist concluded.

    Treaty of Non-aggression

    The Treaty of Non-aggression between the Soviet Union and Germany, also known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, was signed by Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov and his German counterpart Joachim von Ribbentrop in Moscow on August 23, 1939.

    The parties pledged to refrain from attacking each other and maintain neutrality in case a third country attacks either one of them. Simultaneously with the pact talks, the Soviet Union was negotiating a trilateral mutual assistance treaty with the United Kingdom and France in Moscow. The non-aggression pact also had a secret additional protocol enclosed, which defined and established Soviet and German spheres of influence in Eastern Europe in case of territorial and political rearrangements.

    The document designated Latvia, Estonia, Finland, Eastern Poland, as well as Bessarabia as the Soviet sphere of interests, while Lithuania and Western Poland made up the German sphere.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:08 pm

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    Post  GarryB Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:03 am

    You don't need non aggression pacts with allies.

    Stalin approached the UK and Poland for deals and they brushed him off and were not interested.

    It made a lot of sense for the Soviets to sign this deal with Germany... if they hadn't then Germany would have taken all of Poland when they invaded and be rather closer to Moscow when they started Barbarossa.

    Poland were hardly allies of the Soviets anyway... and the UK had never been a friend either.
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    Post  kvs Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:18 am

    Poland is always cast as the victim, but it was at the center of the 1938 Munich deal with Hitler. This deal involved the carve up
    of Czechoslovakia by Germany and Poland. The yapping about the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact makes it sound unique. In fact,
    Germany had such pacts with Poland and other countries. And I recall some Ukr Nazi in Canada foaming at the mouth about
    how Germany and the USSR were "allies". The USSR only supplied Germany with agricultural produce. It was the Americans who
    supplied the Reich with whole manufacturing plants and even supplied the Nazis oil practically until the end of WWII.

    Nothing NATO revisionist propaganda claims can be taken at face value. Any "truth" is always cherry-picked and de-contextualized.
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    Post  George1 Sun Sep 01, 2019 4:43 pm

    Czech citizens condemn decision to wrap Soviet marshal's statue in tarp — Russian embassy


    PRAGUE, August 31. /TASS/. The Russian Embassy in Prague said it had been receiving letters from Czech citizens condemning the municipal authorities’ decision to wrap in tarp a monument to Soviet military commander Ivan Konev in the Prague 6 district.
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    "The embassy has been receiving letters from Czech citizens who condemn this move by the municipal authorities. Many of them wonder which side would the incumbent municipal government of the Prague 6 district support during the World War II," the embassy said in a statement, posted on Facebook.

    "It should be noted that the radical decision to cover in tarpaulin the monument to one of those who saved Europe from horrors of Nazism was made in the run-up to the 80th anniversary of the most horrific military conflict in human history," the statement says.

    The Russian embassy views those actions as a yet another attempt to desecrate the memory of Red Army soldiers, who gave their lives to liberate Czechoslovakia from Nazi troops.

    Czech Presidential Spokesman Jiri Ovcacek condemned the municipal authorities’ decision earlier this week.

    The district’s head Ondrej Kolar said on Thursday that Konev’s monument falls victim to vandals at least two times a year, which, according to him, points to the local residents’ negative view of the Soviet military commander. The politician insists on removing the monument and relocating it to the territory of the Russian Embassy, also located in the Prague 6 district.

    The monument to Konev was placed in Prague in 1980 to commemorate the 35th anniversary of the liberation of the Czech capital from Nazi invaders by the 1st Ukrainian Front of the Soviet military forces, headed by Konev.

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    Post  George1 Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:09 am

    Johnson’s statement on World War II unacceptable, says Russian embassy


    The British PM said that in September 1939 Poland found itself "trapped between the hammer of fascism and the anvil of communism"

    LONDON, September 3. /TASS/. Russia’s Embassy in London has referred to the British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s words regarding the beginning of the World War II as unacceptable. PM said in a video message posted on Twitter late last week that in September 1939 Poland found itself "trapped between the hammer of fascism and the anvil of communism."

    "This statement, made on the day of the 80th anniversary of the beginning of the Second World War, is perplexing. With all historical discussions around the Soviet military operation in the eastern areas of Poland (Western Ukraine and Western Belarus), to describe things in a way that effectively equates the actions of the USSR to Hitler’s aggression is absolutely unacceptable. If one is to discuss who, apart from Hitler, is responsible for the Polish tragedy of 1939, one cannot avoid recalling the role of the British diplomacy that not only connived in the Nazis’ aggressive policies (remember Austria, Czechoslovakia, Memel), but also continuously frustrated Soviet proposals to build an efficient anti-Nazi alliance, including specifically to defend Poland," the diplomatic mission’s press service said in a statement.

    "This discussion may be lengthy, but let’s leave it to historians. A vast majority of Russians and Britons, when recalling the Second World War, pay tribute to the fallen and to the Soviet-British alliance. It is regrettable that the Prime Minister has chosen a different angle which, thankfully, does not enjoy much popularity in Britain," the embassy noted.
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    Post  kvs Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:08 pm

    George1 wrote:

    Johnson’s statement on World War II unacceptable, says Russian embassy


    The British PM said that in September 1939 Poland found itself "trapped between the hammer of fascism and the anvil of communism"

    LONDON, September 3. /TASS/. Russia’s Embassy in London has referred to the British Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s words regarding the beginning of the World War II as unacceptable. PM said in a video message posted on Twitter late last week that in September 1939 Poland found itself "trapped between the hammer of fascism and the anvil of communism."

    "This statement, made on the day of the 80th anniversary of the beginning of the Second World War, is perplexing. With all historical discussions around the Soviet military operation in the eastern areas of Poland (Western Ukraine and Western Belarus), to describe things in a way that effectively equates the actions of the USSR to Hitler’s aggression is absolutely unacceptable. If one is to discuss who, apart from Hitler, is responsible for the Polish tragedy of 1939, one cannot avoid recalling the role of the British diplomacy that not only connived in the Nazis’ aggressive policies (remember Austria, Czechoslovakia, Memel), but also continuously frustrated Soviet proposals to build an efficient anti-Nazi alliance, including specifically to defend Poland," the diplomatic mission’s press service said in a statement.

    "This discussion may be lengthy, but let’s leave it to historians. A vast majority of Russians and Britons, when recalling the Second World War, pay tribute to the fallen and to the Soviet-British alliance. It is regrettable that the Prime Minister has chosen a different angle which, thankfully, does not enjoy much popularity in Britain," the embassy noted.
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    NATO historical revisionism in action. They call western Belorus and Ukraine as "Poland" even though Poland grabbed these lands
    during its 1920 war of territorial expansion and aggression that took advantage of the weakened state of the former Russian Empire
    in the wake of the 1917 revolution. If you note how Stalin "carved" up "Poland" with Hitler you will see that the line follows the
    proper Polish border with Belorus and Ukraine. NATO propagandists always paint the "carve up" as some 50/50 split. Interesting
    how NATO is spazzing about Crimea rejoining Russia after its illegal annexation by Ukraine in 1991. These same scumbags use
    a totally different standard in the case of the lands illegally annexed by Poland in the early 1920s. Although there is a common
    thread of consistency as long as some pro-NATO element does the annexation then it is fully legit and lawful....

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    Post  kvs Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:22 pm



    Some honest truth about alcoholism in the UK. Yet these sanctimonious prats actually believe that Russians are all swigging from vodka bottles all day long.
    It looks to me like the UK is the country with the real alcoholism problem.

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    Post  George1 Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:26 pm

    Majority of Prague residents condemn removal of monument to WWII Soviet marshal - Medinsky

    Czech President Milos Zeman, "a man of culture, has stated his negative opinion on the removal of the monument to Marshal Ivan Konev, he made his opinion known", Russian Minister of Culture Vladimir Medinsky said

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    Post  kvs Wed Oct 30, 2019 1:16 am



    Lukashenko has fully come out of the closet as a rabid svidomite Russophobe. The clown actually claims that Belorus had no
    stake in WWII. He also repeats all the NATzO talking points about Stalin and Hitler being equivalent.

    Of course all of it is complete BS. Stalin never had a genocidal ideology. And you can't compare the blood letting by the Nazis
    over a 5 year period to the death toll in the USSR between 1925 and 1945. Hitler was targeting Slavs, Jews and Gypsies for
    total extermination. Stalin's abuse of Chechens and others was not on the same plane. Just imagine what Hitler would have
    achieved if he won WWII and the western "allies" let him do as he pleased. He would have exterminated 10s of millions of people.
    By contrast the death toll in the USSR is systematically exaggerated such as the alleged Holodomor 14 million (50% of Ukraine's
    1930 population) being "murdered" by the state. The subsequent population of Ukraine (e.g. the 1989 census) proves this
    never happened since fertility never returned to over 2 children from 1945 on (it shrank to 1).

    In fact, a lot of the death toll in the USSR is due to Hitler and the Nazis. All of these victims of communism claims are revisionist
    excrement designed to whitewash the singular evil of the Nazis.

    I hope Russia engineers a bloody coup against Lukashenko. This worm and his regime need to die.

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    Post  kvs Wed Nov 06, 2019 11:15 pm



    Lukashenko is a historic revisionist POS nazionalist. He talks about Belorus as if was some independent country or even constituent
    province in 1812. Typical nazionalist fake history. And he takes this nazionalist BS and claims that none of the wars that Russia has
    experienced over the last few centuries are "wars of Belorus". It was just collateral damage with no stake in them. He also equates
    Russia to all the invaders because we know that Russia was never invaded.

    The Russian government has made some remarks pointing to the obvious. But Lukashenko's regime is digging its nazionalist hole deeper.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:27 am

    kvs wrote:

    Lukashenko is a historic revisionist POS nazionalist.   He talks about Belorus as if was some independent country or even constituent
    province in 1812.   Typical nazionalist fake history.   And he takes this nazionalist BS and claims that none of the wars that Russia has
    experienced over the last few centuries are "wars of Belorus".  It was just collateral damage with no stake in them.   He also equates
    Russia to all the invaders because we know that Russia was never invaded.  

    The Russian government has made some remarks pointing to the obvious.   But Lukashenko's regime is digging its nazionalist hole deeper.


    Lukashenko is behaving like a scorned woman. He wanted to be in a position of real importance or to rule Russia directly and since he could not he is trying to negate the obvious in order to cause problems to Russia, even at cost of damaging also his fiefdom
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:01 am

    kvs wrote:

    Lukashenko has fully come out of the closet as a rabid svidomite Russophobe.   The clown actually claims that Belorus had no
    stake in WWII.   He also repeats all the NATzO talking points about Stalin and Hitler being equivalent.

    Of course all of it is complete BS.   Stalin never had a genocidal ideology.   And you can't compare the blood letting by the Nazis
    over a 5 year period to the death toll in the USSR between 1925 and 1945.    Hitler was targeting Slavs, Jews and Gypsies for
    total extermination.   Stalin's abuse of Chechens and others was not on the same plane.   Just imagine what Hitler would have
    achieved if he won WWII and the western "allies" let him do as he pleased.   He would have exterminated 10s of millions of people.
    By contrast the death toll in the USSR is systematically exaggerated such as the alleged Holodomor 14 million (50% of Ukraine's
    1930 population) being "murdered" by the state.   The subsequent population of Ukraine (e.g. the 1989 census) proves this
    never happened since fertility never returned to over 2 children from 1945 on (it shrank to 1).  

    In fact, a lot of the death toll in the USSR is due to Hitler and the Nazis.  All of these victims of communism claims are revisionist
    excrement designed to whitewash the singular evil of the Nazis.  

    I hope Russia engineers a bloody coup against Lukashenko.  This worm and his regime need to die.



    I know the reason for Lukashenko's strange behavior. Something you clearly did not mention, I wonder why?

    You know who Lukashenko is?

    He is an ethnic Ukrainian, that is who he is. Now suddenly it is becoming apparent.


    That is the little but extremely important part you decided to leave out.

    Lukashenko dreamed about becoming the ruler of Russia because for a few decades after Stalin's death, or until the 1980's, all the Soviet heads of state were ethnic Ukrainians. I am sure this immensely boosted their expectations. It gives a clue who poisoned Stalin.

    Belarus needs to be ruled by an ethnic Belarussian, not by an ethnic Ukrainian like Lukashenko.

    His true loyalties are to Ukraine and fellow ethnic Ukrainians.



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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:52 pm



    This youtube content creator tends to be on the more analytical side. In this video he makes what I consider a good case
    for why Russia gets so much flack but the west is seen as a bastion of goodness even by its victims.

    Studies with primates show that giving food without demanding "payment" leads to contempt on the part of the one being
    fed to the feeder. This is related to the alpha-beta pack structure. Alpha leaders expect betas to supply them with food
    and do whatever they demand. They have contempt for betas.

    Humans are glorified primates and our neo-cortex does not eliminate the more primitive layers of our brain. We do have instincts
    and they are those of animals, of the pack variety. Of course the neo-cortex does impose a certain dilution since intelligence
    can readily override instinct. But here's the rub: the majority are not engaging their IQ at max all the time. So primitive instincts
    always manifest themselves. (That is why we have prejudice and emotion-driven behaviour such as murder and violence).

    So we have the following thesis. The Russian Empire and the USSR both subsidized the "colonies or periphery" at the expense of
    the center. For example, the standard of living in the Baltics was the highest in the USSR. By contrast, western colonialists
    kept their colonies poor and desperate. This was easily done by resource stripping, debt, and installation of local compradors
    into power. The western colonial center (e.g. UK, France, USA, ...) became much better off than the colonies. Using the
    alpha-beta model of pack mammals, the Russian "colonies" thought of themselves as alphas and Russians as betas. In the
    case of the western colonialists, they colony residents knew they were betas and put western colonialist alphas on a pedestal.

    Take India. The UK created massive famines in India through deliberate policy. But Indians do not remember this and instead
    regurgitate propaganda about Holodomor (a fake non-famine that did not touch the clowns who shriek loudest about it). Indians
    treat the 1st world with lots of adulation in spite of the long and bloody history at the hands of that 1st world.

    So it is time for Russia to cut off all the leeches and let them flail. The leeches will do an excellent job of re-asserting their
    beta character as their countries swirl the toilet bowl (e.g. Ukraine, Georgia, the Baltics). Russia needs to grow up and stop
    being some goody two shoes. Human psychology is a f*cking sick joke and needs to be considered. Of course, Russia should
    not become a colonizer parasite like the NATO west, but feeding malicious ingrates is insane.

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    Post  Hole Sun Dec 01, 2019 12:37 pm

    For Russians there were no colonies, just different parts of their country. They invested in the development their own country, like Amiland building a railway in California or Oregon. It was Lenin who created artificial borders and declared "Latvia" or "Georgia" to different states.
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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:10 pm

    Hole wrote:For Russians there were no colonies, just different parts of their country. They invested in the development their own country, like Amiland building a railway in California or Oregon. It was Lenin who created artificial borders and declared "Latvia" or "Georgia" to different states.

    You are right. The Bolsheviks and the USSR created fake republics with local structures that lubricated nazionalist take over.
    In the case of Serbia, this sort of ethnic-centered policy meant the loss of ancestral territory. For example, Kosovo-i-Metohija.
    It was a Serb majority region before WWII. During WWII the Nazi-aligned Albanians engaged in massive ethnic cleansing
    and at the same time huge numbers of squatters moved in from Albania. After WWII, Tito did not allow Serb refugees to
    return but did nothing about the WWII squatters and the illegal migration all the way into the 1980s. Basically Tito assigned
    Kosovo-i-Metohija to be an ethnic Albanian republic. For the sake of brotherhood of the people's and other such sh*t.

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    Post  Hole Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:37 pm

    What Putin said a few years ago, that the founders of the "SU" themself laid the bomb under the foundation of the country. And all because Lenin hated the ethnic russians so much he couldn´t stand that "his" country could bear the term "Russian" in its name. Without him being such a censored he could have ended the tsarist russian empire and create something like a russian socialist republik.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:13 am

    Honestly I really don't understand people talking about the Ukraine just being Russian and the Baltic states and Belarus etc etc... these are broken states filled with people demanding some one else solve their problems... I appreciate the risk of NATO coming in and offering to "help" where it suits, but most of the time that just means military bases and patrolling their air space... it is unlikely to reach the levels of hand outs these countries expect or need to become viable countries in their own right.

    I don't even think Russia would be better off if America offered to sell them Alaska back... Russia already has plenty of territory and a lot of it is very isolated and remote and so I think the things they should be concentrating on is improving access to those places with improved internal infrastructure... road, rail, air, and sea/water connections... they should develop their own countries and those countries of their allies and customers... ungrateful and even hostile neighbours should be not even on the list.

    The focus should be Russians first... and that includes new Russian citizens... I am not talking white supremacy bullshit... and I am not christian either so none of this forgive and forget and turn the other cheek stuff either... the EU wants to block exports to Russia then Russia reciprocates in kind... the Ukraine wants to stop cooperating with Russia... well that is fine too... odds are the Ukraine benefitted rather more from that relationship than Russia did, so while it wont be painless... in the longer term it will be worth it... rather that wasting time and money on unfriendly countries Russia should be developing ties and relations with countries not hostile to Russia and Russians and there are plenty out there.

    One might say Russia lost a lot of resources and people, but most of those people didn't want to be Russian and would have fought any integration or cooperation... so it is very much like Russia cutting her losses and untying her own hands.
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    Post  Regular Sat Dec 07, 2019 2:27 am

    GarryB wrote:Honestly I really don't understand people talking about the Ukraine just being Russian and the Baltic states and Belarus etc etc... these are broken states filled with people demanding some one else solve their problems...

    Only Ukraine is broken. Belarus, Baltics and pretty much everyone around Russia doesn't have suicidal tendencies like Ukraine has. They had whole generation to get their shit going, but failed to do it organically and now they are slitting their own throats.


    I appreciate the risk of NATO coming in and offering to "help" where it suits, but most of the time that just means military bases and patrolling their air space... it is unlikely to reach the levels of hand outs these countries expect or need to become viable countries in their own right.

    There's no risk for NATO at all. Russia is in no shape to fight conventional war over questionable goals.

    Handouts Baltics get are what? Everything has to be bought, certain % of budget has to be put down for defence/NATO. Apart from help with Iraq and Afghanistan missions, there was no freebies or rearmament packages. Number of new meaningful equipment is shocking and it had to be paid by taxpayers money. And with Trump, there was more push towards Europeans spending more money towards NATO.

    I don't even think Russia would be better off if America offered to sell them Alaska back... Russia already has plenty of territory and a lot of it is very isolated and remote and so I think the things they should be concentrating on is improving access to those places with improved internal infrastructure... road, rail, air, and sea/water connections... they should develop their own countries and those countries of their allies and customers... ungrateful and even hostile neighbours should be not even on the list.

    True. Russia is improving infrastructure and they are not doing that in hectic Chinese way because there's less money to spend so they have do it right. Even Crimea is pain in the hole compared how underdeveloped it still is.

    The focus should be Russians first... and that includes new Russian citizens... I am not talking white supremacy bullshit... and I am not christian either so none of this forgive and forget and turn the other cheek stuff either... the EU wants to block exports to Russia then Russia reciprocates in kind... the Ukraine wants to stop cooperating with Russia... well that is fine too... odds are the Ukraine benefitted rather more from that relationship than Russia did, so while it wont be painless... in the longer term it will be worth it... rather that wasting time and money on unfriendly countries Russia should be developing ties and relations with countries not hostile to Russia and Russians and there are plenty out there.

    Russia doesn't need ties with Ukraine as they are terrible market for Russian goods, they only have insignificant technology offers in cargo aviation- nothing that Russia can't reproduce/outsource. EU on other hand have technologies that Russia needs for industry. There's no need to reinvent the wheel when there are countless of companies who will find a way to sell you product no matter sanctions. German factory machinery impossible to get? Mama Merkel can't make it work? Well, then there's Italy, France or Finland? Best case scenario - western goods produced under license locally.
    Money finds it's way.

    One might say Russia lost a lot of resources and people, but most of those people didn't want to be Russian and would have fought any integration or cooperation... so it is very much like Russia cutting her losses and untying her own hands.

    Well Russians were quite oppressed under Soviet Union compared to Ukrainians or Latvians Smile They had to step down to fill diversity quatas from various "brotherly" republics. Russians were always quite religious, especially WW2 helped to bring religion alive. And it was so much easier to practice religion in other Soviet Republics than in Soviet Russia. Not to mention that most of Soviet Rulers were not even Russian.
    I do believe that after Russia will gradually reduce corruption and develop itself - they will become isolationists. And I believe majority would support it by now.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 08, 2019 1:17 am

    Belarus, Baltics and pretty much everyone around Russia doesn't have suicidal tendencies like Ukraine has.

    They have the same tendency to blame all their problems on Russia though...

    There's no risk for NATO at all. Russia is in no shape to fight conventional war over questionable goals.

    Well there is the obvious nuclear threat to wipe them out completely...

    But it is not so much a wasp as a bee...

    Handouts Baltics get are what? Everything has to be bought, certain % of budget has to be put down for defence/NATO. Apart from help with Iraq and Afghanistan missions, there was no freebies or rearmament packages. Number of new meaningful equipment is shocking and it had to be paid by taxpayers money. And with Trump, there was more push towards Europeans spending more money towards NATO.

    Which just makes it worse... I could understand it better if your streets were awash with gold from EU pockets making your lives easier and more enjoyable, but apart from making you change your laws and rules to conform to theirs and getting the privilidge of sending your men to fight and die in some of the worst shitholes on the planet, what exactly are you getting from NATO membership?

    You state that Russia is no actual threat... if it wanted to recover land it could easily have justified crushing Tiblisi and taking Georgia by force... the west would have done no less of Serbian troops did to NATO forces in Kosovo what Georgian troops did to VDV peacekeepers in South Ossetia...

    So really the NATO membership for these baltic states is all about switching markets from Russia to the EU.

    In many ways it was the first wave of economic migration to Europe this century... before people from the countries in Africa and the Middle East that Europe broke started coming too.

    True. Russia is improving infrastructure and they are not doing that in hectic Chinese way because there's less money to spend so they have do it right. Even Crimea is pain in the hole compared how underdeveloped it still is.

    Crimea offers Russia a domestic location for summer holidays that don't require leaving the country. You can spend money inside Russia and still get a tan and a nice holiday by the sea side. They will be keen to work hard and improve their own situation too.

    EU on other hand have technologies that Russia needs for industry. There's no need to reinvent the wheel when there are countless of companies who will find a way to sell you product no matter sanctions.

    I don't agree... I think Russians are every bit as capable of producing everything they need themselves... if they have a big enough need for things they should make them themselves... and look to also sell them overseas to profit from their low value currency... which punishes you for importing products and rewards you for exports.

    Look at food, Russia was lazy and just imported cheap food from the EU countries, and just accepted their food regulations would keep the food safe for them. The EU imposed sanctions on Russia and Russian responded with sanctions on food... now for a while Russia suffered because it had to import from other countries... and a lot of EU food was relabelled as being from Africa and South America to cheat the sanctions, but the vacuum created allowed Russian food production to boom and establish itself to the point that the huge surplus means it is an export commodity now too... the point is that this has added strength and depth to Russian production and made her more sanction proof, and given her something else she can trade with the world... Russia doens't grow every food type available, so other food producing countries could trade in food types Russia does not grow and Russia can sell food types it grows in return.

    German factory machinery impossible to get? Mama Merkel can't make it work? Well, then there's Italy, France or Finland? Best case scenario - western goods produced under license locally.

    More like Russian made factory machinery, Russia makes its own super computers and 6 axis CNC machines.... don't buy products from the EU countries, buy licences to produce and then improve it yourself...

    Money finds it's way.

    The biggest danger for Russia is bribes to do the wrong thing... the wrong thing for Russia.

    I do believe that after Russia will gradually reduce corruption and develop itself - they will become isolationists. And I believe majority would support it by now.

    Now lets be clear... I am a practising athiest, but I think the best chance for Russia is to not befriend the west... trade with them, but don't adopt their liberal ideas and values. There is a difference between tolerance and fanboyism... If a gay person wants to have sex with a gay person of the same sex in the privacy of their own home I have no problem with that.... not interested in that myself, but when I start telling people what they can or can't do for fun then it is time for me to take a long walk off a short plank. However I don't think the gay lifestyle should be celebrated and they certainly don't need a parade. As far as I am concerned sex and sexuality is like religion... it is private and as long as you are not breaking any laws you can do what you like... as long as everyone involved is happy.

    I don't think Russia should be isolationist, I think they should trade with countries further away like Africa and Central and South America and Asia... and unlike the west they should trade in a way that does not demand change or reform of those they trade with. Don't tell a country they cannot use GM food, just tell them you are GM free and you are only interested in GM free products... if they want to go GM free too then that is their business.

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    Check out these "experts". Laughing at early 1980s electronics components used in the Soyuz. What retards.
    I bet they do not know that LSI components are much more radiation resistant than VLSI components. Instead
    of stroking their ignorant dicks, these clowns should first buy a clue. That Soviet clock device can run for
    centuries on the ground and decades in spaces. Your wankee yanqui style over substance imagined "high tech" would fry
    in a few days.

    Cute how the narrator does not have any idea why a screw would be made tamper resistant. In the real world, yanqui
    and NATO sponsored saboteurs are always active in Russia. That is why you need ways of tracking any tampering you
    chauvinist numbskull.



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    Post  PhSt Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:44 am

    Remember folks, Clamping down on alternative and independent media is okay as long as you have the blessing of NATO, the "Free Flow" of information (Western Narrative and Propaganda) should be promoted only to NATO's perceived enemies like Russia and China.



    Sputnik Estonia employees quit job due to pressure from authorities

    TALLINN, January 1. /TASS/. Employees of the Sputnik Estonia news outlet (owned by MIA Rossiya Segodnya) have ben forces to terminate their labor contracts from January 1 becaise of the pressure from the authorities, Elena Cherysheva, head of MIA Rossiya Segodnya’s Estonian office, said in a statement released on Wednesday.

    "We have been deprived of a possibility to work for you," the statement reads. "Estonia’s Police and Border Guard Board has faced each of us with an ultimatum: either we terminate our labor contracts with MIA Rossiya Segodnya and no longer work for Sputnik Estonia or they open criminal cases against us."

    "We discussed the situation over and over in last days of the past year and arrived at a conclusion that, despite, to put it mildly, the absurdity of the authorities’ demands and threats we don’t want to believe to be true, we have no right to risk the lives of our people," she noted. "As a result, the office’s employees had to terminate labor relations with Sputnik Estonia and MIA Rossiya Segodnya."

    However, in her words, Sputnik Estonia’s website will not be closed. "The website will continue its work but we will need some time to organize its work in a way to avoid permanent pressure from the Estonia authorities," she explained. "Naturally, we will do our best to resume operation the soonest possible."

    "By fighting for our right to work we are fighting for the right of Estonian audience to have complete information," Chernysheva stressed. "Our opinion may not be shared. It can be challenged or criticized. But what is most important for us is a possibility for our audience to open our site every day, read reports and comments, and derive their own conclusions. This what is called the freedom of expression. Regrettably, we have none in Estonia, despite the fact that Reporters Without Borders have placed it on the 11th place in termsn of the freedom of speech."

    The situation around Sputnik Estonia worsened in the autumn when local offices of foreign banks froze the bureau’s assets and the premises owner demanded Sputnik’s employees vacate the rented place in Tallinn by the end of February.

    MIA Rossiya Segodnya said later that the Estonian authorities were threatening to open criminal cases against the Sputnik employees if they continued labor relations with the head organization. Tallinn explained that Sputnik’s employees may face sanctions because Rossiya Segodnya's head Dmitry Kiselev was blacklisted by the European Union.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin described the situation around Sputnik Estonia as "incredible cynicism." OSCE Representative on Freedom of the Media Harlem Desir called on Tallinn to refrain from restrictions against journalists. Estonian Foreign Minister Urmas Reinsalu promised Desir to provide exhaustive explanations about the sanctions against the Russian news outlet.
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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:18 am

    Funny how when RT became influential enough to impact public opinion NATO regimes went into overdrive to sabotage it. What happened
    to freedom of thought and expression? It is a tough job for RT to break through the wall of cognitive dissonance that maintains the
    western information space bubble, fed by decades of officially approved narratives. Clearly, the precious, self-anointed guiding lights
    of humanity cannot compete in the information space based on truth and need to resort to censorship and brainwashing.

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    Danish Russophobe bleaters are crapping their pants about Russia's defensive deployments on Russia's own Arctic territory.
    You see, these deployments threaten the ability of the USA to stage "high precision" attacks on Russia. Oh the humanity!

    EU-tards are indeed 'tards.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:04 am

    Happy to see that this channel is going to be done in English by late January 2020 so you can post it and we don't have to work out what he is saying based on the subtitles that sometimes appear to be gibberish....

    Smile

    Regarding the content of this video it is amusing that the Danes are complaining about Russia building military facilities on its own territory threatening US military facilities built on Danish territory... perhaps to make them feel better Russia should let the Chinese build a few islands close to Greenland and they could be joint Russian/Chinese bases for keeping the peace in the region....

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