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    Post  Regular on Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:07 pm

    You didn't answer me about recent scientists who where turned down by Nobel prize. Obama and other questionable characters are irrelevant when we are talking about sciences. So Higgs and Englert were finally awarded because of what then?
    You have to be in very deep denial not to admit that major science projects are happening in the West. Compare science megaprojects in USA alone and what does Russia have? A small collider for people who ar not lucky to get researcers mandate to work in CERN?
    Tell me top 5 Russian scientists (who live in Russia) who are on world standard but are ignored? Not talkig about theorists, Penrose and Hawkins are left without the prize no matter how they were busting their balls.
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    Post  Regular on Tue Oct 29, 2013 7:33 pm

    Oh Yeah, just remembered that we were talking about Soviet union. Scientists were actually working in secrecy and most of their theoretical and some practical work didn't see light before USSR collapsed. I doubt that KGB was keen letting scientists to international conventions where they could be on spotlight. You have to keep this in mind too
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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:42 pm

    Regular wrote:Oh Yeah, just remembered that we were talking about Soviet union. Scientists were actually working in secrecy and most of their theoretical and some practical work didn't see light before USSR collapsed. I doubt that KGB was keen letting scientists to international conventions where they could be on spotlight. You have to keep this in mind too
    The only denial here is your ignorance and somehow living in the west indoctrinated myth that only the West brings advances and developments. It is a fact that Nobel Prize regardless of War or "Science" often just ignores work as long it suites their purpose.

    You have not even a simple idea how advanced scientific researches and with empiric results have always been.

    And you can argue as much as you want scientific research is mostly backed due the fact for use of military purpose, even the ridiculous M&M's were a military invention that soldiers don't get sticky fingers when eating chocolate, so your attempt that would follow "Where russians do anything in civilian sector?" is smoked before you could ask.

    Mendeleyev's work even that it is revolutionary wasn't awarded with the Nobel Prize through the decision of the stupid committee, so tell me is there any reason for him not getting a prize but still is till this day one of those scientists that is known world wide.

    Russian literature like from Tolstoy wasn't awarded due the fact he is a russian.
    Not a single chinese was granded any Nobel Prize in any catagory, yes this Nobel prize are just a stupid award that is politically driven, opinions of nationalism or antipathy towards countries.

    Deny it as much as you want but that is the case.
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    Post  collegeboy16 on Wed Oct 30, 2013 12:04 am

    they should establish kalashnikov prize... lol! 
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:14 am

    I don't really see that as Russian vs West, the guy is just an eccentric (but genius) hermit, you get those types in any country.
    My point is that if he was British or French or American he would have won the Nobel prize for mathematics for solving a very well known (in math circles) problem that has remained unsolved for a hundred years even in the age of computers.

    Tell me top 5 Russian scientists (who live in Russia) who are on world standard but are ignored? Not talkig about theorists, Penrose and Hawkins are left without the prize no matter how they were busting their balls.
    That guy that discovered carbon nanotubes was Russian.
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    Post  As Sa'iqa on Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:51 am

    There is no Nobel prize in math. It's equivalent is Fields Medal.

    And indeed, Perelman was awarded this prize in 2006.
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    Post  Regular on Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:30 am

    Oktoberfest. There is no need to go full gestapo on me.
    I wasn't talking about empirical research and still You came to conclusion that I have no idea ho it's done.
    Well that well indoctrinated myth as You call it is pretty much alive in Russia as well where on science conventions they discuss projects in the west as main topics and always highlighten lack of funds and lack of interest of young people to study sciences like physics. My family member attends conventions in Russia yearly and when I was studying I attended there too, not much is changed after 10 years. Quality of education didn't go up after SU collapsed. Money wise it's not that great even today.
    I think it's you that still live in the past world.
    I asked You to tell me 5 living Russian scientists who are ignored by the west.
    Tell me what are scince megaprojects in Russia?
    You were talking about Mendeleev, and I can talk about Poincare. You know how many westerns were refused for Nobel prize? Even today it's controversial and unfair. People are robbed of their work (Thompset and his colleague comes to mind) and I'm not talking about politics or literature.
    But enough of Nobel prize. It actually has nothing to do with West advancement in science anyway. I would even argue thst their input is counterproductive.
    You mentioned non sticky chocolate in military? So what other worth mentioning things you could name for "civilian sector?" Non sticky chewing gum? Proper examples please.

    I don't have to deny nothing. Do I have You prove You I'm right or it's You? You were the one who bragges about me not knowing empirical research, then spend 5 minutes and prove me that my opinion is not default.
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    Post  Regular on Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:36 am

    Carbon nanotubes were discovered by Russians in late 50ies and "rediscovered" again by Russian and his colleague from Japan (? don't have time to google) recently.
    Western scientist had no access to these findings so I wouldn't say it was ignored. I was reading article about it before on science mag. Interesting stuff
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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Nov 16, 2013 8:21 pm

    Relic is taking this BS to a new level and I'm satisfied that the Russian internet community is finally organising to fight back against such outrageous mis-portrayals of our history. It's happening in movies, games, and its just getting worse and worse and will continue to do so until Russians show that they won't stand for it.

    And TR1 about the hookers; no-one's going to murder them GTA style in real-life, and if they did then they already have issues.
    But millions of people play this game and really are indoctrinated and led to believe that this is how the war was on the Eastern Front.

    Goebbels was a master of propaganda in his own time. Among the observations he made of social psychology - is that if you repeat something enough times to the masses; they'll believe it. And indeed; people in the West now really do believe that this is how the war was won in Russia, and increasingly the opinion is that the Soviets were as bad as the Nazis.
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    Post  Austin on Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:42 pm

    Every wondered why the greatest ally of West and US in Middle East and the greatest country to support terrorism in the world ever got flagged for being so much dependent on Oil.....while Western media is so much high on lashing Oil Revenues for Russia and Putins downfall  ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Saudi_Arabia

    The petroleum sector accounts for roughly 92.5% of budget revenues,[15] 55% of GDP, and 90% of export earnings. About 40% of GDP comes from the private sector.

    And since 2008 they have spent $800 billion in Economic Stimulus to avoid any revolt in their kingdom

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-23/saudi-arabia-slows-planned-spending-growth-in-record-2014-budget.html

    Saudi Arabia has introduced almost $800 billion in stimulus measures since 2008.



    So much for  (un)Fairness  of Western Press
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:55 pm

    I forgot formula 1. They are to have a race once a year, so that should attract more people. Apparently China has a lot of tourists visiting Russia often and Sochi is really one of the few sub tropical locations in Russia.  

    @ Austin.

    Dont be surprised. Russia is public enemy #1 in USA, as they played the soviet/Russian fear mongering for over 50 years, so there are plenty of people that have power and money from that era, running the show. Makes it worst now since there are fewer media mougals in USA now, so our news is very limited (may have different names and may seem there are a lot of news outlets, but most are run by the same conpanies). Russia is the big bad bear, because (regardless of Chinas spending) is a real competitor due to US having so little to no influence over Russia, and Russia can contest to what US does (even if it isnt as great as it once was). So it is easier to demonize the country than it is to praise it. Look at the debacle of the Sochi olympics and how many news outlets have lied about it to make it look worst than it is here?

    Which brings me to my next point: Russia will never be or may not be a big tourist attraction for Europe or USA. It could be for Asia but not the other. Reason why, is because the media and politics west of Russia has played Russia up to be this big monster that everyone should hate and fear (Poland, UK, USA, Western Ukraine, Romania, Etc) while the other nations...they cant afford to travel. Germany and France being the exception whom seem to have tourists that go everywhere, even to some of the worst places in the world for thrill (I suppose).

    Unfortunately, Russias image is damaged. But thankfully, knowing Indian family members who studied and lives in Russia, tells a different tale than what western media says. That Russians are not all racist monkeys like our media says and it isnt all just doom and gloom.

    BTW, here is the article plus list regarding russophobia in western media.

    http://www.e-generator.ru/news/?news_id=8255

    It is of course old, but things really has not changed much.r
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:12 pm

    Austin wrote:Every wondered why the greatest ally of West and US in Middle East and the greatest country to support terrorism in the world ever got flagged for being so much dependent on Oil.....while Western media is so much high on lashing Oil Revenues for Russia and Putins downfall  ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Saudi_Arabia

    The petroleum sector accounts for roughly 92.5% of budget revenues,[15] 55% of GDP, and 90% of export earnings. About 40% of GDP comes from the private sector.

    And since 2008 they have spent $800 billion in Economic Stimulus to avoid any revolt in their kingdom

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-23/saudi-arabia-slows-planned-spending-growth-in-record-2014-budget.html

    Saudi Arabia has introduced almost $800 billion in stimulus measures since 2008.



    So much for  (un)Fairness  of Western Press

    This is what I'm talking about, btw everyone remembers the lies about "democratic" Boris Yeltsin? He's democratic because he allows Western companies to loot Russia, he's democratic because he fires tank shells in to his parliament because they disagreed with the old violent drunk Boris, he's democratic because he allows his allies to be artificially balkanized. Don't you find it hilarious that the U.S. State Department would send gay athletes to Sochi on one hand, while prop up Saudi Arabia, where being gay means a death sentence via decapitation from a sword? We can't allow ourselves to forget how Saudi Arabia owns large shares in Western media like Twitter, Time-Warner and News Corp, no wonder the whole "gay rights" conservation hasn't been put in to context, you can't upset the Saudi shareholders can you?
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    Post  Airbornewolf on Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:02 pm

    sepheronx wrote:I forgot formula 1. They are to have a race once a year, so that should attract more people. Apparently China has a lot of tourists visiting Russia often and Sochi is really one of the few sub tropical locations in Russia.  

    @ Austin.

    Dont be surprised. Russia is public enemy #1 in USA, as they played the soviet/Russian fear mongering for over 50 years, so there are plenty of people that have power and money from that era, running the show. Makes it worst now since there are fewer media mougals in USA now, so our news is very limited (may have different names and may seem there are a lot of news outlets, but most are run by the same conpanies). Russia is the big bad bear, because (regardless of Chinas spending) is a real competitor due to US having so little to no influence over Russia, and Russia can contest to what US does (even if it isnt as great as it once was). So it is easier to demonize the country than it is to praise it. Look at the debacle of the Sochi olympics and how many news outlets have lied about it to make it look worst than it is here?

    Which brings me to my next point: Russia will never be or may not be a big tourist attraction for Europe or USA. It could be for Asia but not the other. Reason why, is because the media and politics west of Russia has played Russia up to be this big monster that everyone should hate and fear (Poland, UK, USA, Western Ukraine, Romania, Etc) while the other nations...they cant afford to travel. Germany and France being the exception whom seem to have tourists that go everywhere, even to some of the worst places in the world for thrill (I suppose).

    Unfortunately, Russias image is damaged. But thankfully, knowing Indian family members who studied and lives in Russia, tells a different tale than what western media says. That Russians are not all racist monkeys like our media says and it isnt all just doom and gloom.



    It is of course old, but things really has not changed much.r

    i do not agree with your statement sepheronx,

    you can not write off everyone in western europe and U.S.A to have this misplaced and baseless attitude towards Russia. i am well aware of "our" western media's misconduct towards russia and its allies but we do not all think like that.

    personally, me and other most western veterans playing airsoft got respect for russian forces for what they endured in their own country's operations against an enemy we "west" fought too. i always defend Russia's position and right to sovereign decisions in world politics and errors on our "own" west side. and when we meet them in airsoft battle's we always appreciate the chance that they wish to skirmish with us. i admit, some american assholes cant watch their mouths against russian players but we take measures as well and kick them from the field if they do.

    and this following section is not directed at you sepheronx but in general. it is not your fault but let me finish up here for the general public here,  im still trying to get the feel of the mentality around here on the forum, but to write the entire west off as a bunch of russian-haters is bullshit, i apologise for being so blunt. ive played with russian veterans in airsoft games but never got the chance to actually have a drink and talk about things. and i think that is a damn waste not being able to do that for things that happened in the cold war and people either misunderstand about how my generation of war veterans feels about russians today or perhaps what they hear trough social media or like this. "how the west hates russia". where do you base it on really?, a bunch of civilians filling in polls?. that will be damn accurate wont it?. people forming an opinion based on their own little world trough filtered media and never exited their safe,protected enviroment to see what is going on on the other side. i know one or two here speak with military experience reading trough the sentences in the post, propably a handfull of civilians too that do have a good picture how it works in the millitary. but the rest is just shouting a bunch of crap after reading up on wikipedia about weapon specs and no clue about how human behaviour fits in war or scenario's for that matter. a mass patrol boat assault with torpedoes on an armed modern frigate?. you cant be serious?, like that frigate would allow a dozen boats within its defense zone ?!. i think Russian warships have some of the best point defense systems of modern ships and their captains do not mess around.

    and how some talk about deployments or operations in war, ...maybe first experience how its like to be shot at, get a explosion near you and hear the screaming guy that just lost his legs next to you you served with for two years, you had drinks, laughs and attended his marriage 6 months ago?. meanwhile you try to stay alive together while you put his and your tourniqet on his legs, write the date of the tourniqet on his forehead while he keeps telling you he cant feel his legs. in the meantime you better fight for your life because these jallah-jallah morons come at you dead-set on decapitating you and your friends and post your head for al-jazeera for the t.v dinner of your fammily back home. its all the same for the other branches of millitary, a pilot hearing over the radio his wingman burning alive after a missile strike and the the cockpit hinges buckled because of the strike?, or navymen knowing their comrades are drowning in the engine room where that acoustic torpedo just impacted and the room gets sealed off to prevent flooding to the rest of the ship?. or a helicopter going down after tail-rotor failure or engine fire after enemy fire?. its what we like among veterans to call "armchair-generals". what goes one here. i do not need any symphathy either, just to illustrate how real warfare goes, what do you think the russian troops endured in their time in Afghanistan or tsjechnia ?. or perhaps why not many like to talk about what happened there?.

    the above was just to illustrate the lack of actual knowledge of millitary operations of some posts, the good ones are of course present too. im actually learning of some members about the operation and technology's of russian weaponry and im truly happy and gratefull with that. for example, a member rightfully pointed out the maintenance time for an F-22 and compared it to an top-athlete that performed to the top and needed long recovery. thats rightfully true. and so there are other good example's of people knowing what they talk about.

    im sorry for going off-topic, and i do not wish to give the staff here trouble but seriously i felth i needed to speak up here and let members here know not everyone in the west have ill-opinions about russians and i hope on more regular meetings with russian airsoft gamers and veterans and perhaps share a bottle of vodka (no stereotype intended) and talk about stuff.
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    Post  sepheronx on Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:18 pm

    I live in Canada. The amount of crap being flung about Russia is astronomical. And we are apparently less biased than western europe and USA.

    Sorry, dont mean to put so many into one basket. But, your media, your government and the people who put them there are to blame.

    I know not everyone is some commie hating to the point of foaming through the mouth, but the amount of BS in media being portrayed is pretty big. But I read some good articles on Yahoo news and google. So it really isnt all that bad. But, just an FYI, its always best to read more than one source from more than one location. Truth may still not be there, but you may get a better idea what may be true.
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    Post  Airbornewolf on Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:32 pm

    dont get your hopes up sepheronx, maybe you should inquire then why dutch airborne recon where on a flight of a canadian C-130 carrying vx nerve gas in November 2008 in Afghanistan from Kabul to Kandahar?. last time i checked canadians signed the geneva convention too....among with the OPCW one. you seriously believe your own goverment?.

    and i do not represent anything of my country or goverment, im former millitary remember?. im an individual with my own opinion just like you i imagine.

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:36 pm

    Russian media makes America basically the great satan itself, you guys need to relax.

    Yes, Western coverage from CNN to BBC of Russia has been a joke. And no, not because of constant criticism, but because of factual and fundamental lack of understanding on mostly everything that goes on regarding Russia.

    Whatever. I am long over it. Look at it this way, it makes you look smarter when you can counter what they spew with actually educated insight.
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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:09 pm

    TR1 wrote:Russian media makes America basically the great satan itself, you guys need to relax.

    Yes, Western coverage from CNN to BBC of Russia has been a joke. And no, not because of constant criticism, but because of factual and fundamental lack of understanding on mostly everything that goes on regarding Russia.

    Whatever. I am long over it. Look at it this way, it makes you look smarter when you can counter what they spew with actually educated insight.

    I got desensitized to it long ago, but what I can't get over is the sheer amount of useful idiots the Western media produces who right now are constantly posting crap on Facebook, forums, etc... these people just give me a headache. I can't even read one Russian related article without some muppet putting in an irrelevant comment about it's new laws about homosexual propaganda and so on.

    It's upsetting - because it's bullshit 'bout my country yet people honestly believe it.
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    Post  Vlad007 on Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:15 pm

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    Post  TR1 on Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:43 pm

    Vlad007 wrote:Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia - Page 3 Putin-hitler

    So how many people have been killed by Russian forces again?

    How many by Ukrainians themselves Wink?

    Also your photoshop sucks ass. You even trying brah?
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:02 pm

    Vlad007 wrote:Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia - Page 3 Putin-hitler


    Well, read the regulations, first you need to introduce yourself  lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! 
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    Post  Werewolf on Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:06 pm

    There is no need for an introduction, you don't expect from such low IQ russophobe and idiot anything constructive or anything of value.
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    Another one for the list

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    Post  MH-17 on Sat Jul 19, 2014 1:40 pm

    Terrorussia will pay for the lives lost on MH-17. Justice will be served for those aboard MH-17.

    Russian supporters are dirt who need to be wiped out. Enjoy this picture. You will see more like it.

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    Post  Airbornewolf on Sat Jul 19, 2014 5:21 pm

    obviously you are a flamer, i really do not even care how misguided you are.

    but for the general members here, im a dutch citizen. personally of course i have no words for the massive loss of life by the shooting down of MH17.

    unlike some Western People and Goverments, i await the official investigation results before i "officially" give my opinion.

    that said, as a former millitary proffesional i know its technically impossible for an Russian BUK to shoot down MH17 when at best the weapon only has a range of 42/50 KM in perfect conditions. the crash site is located 60 KM from Russia's border. its technically impossible for the BUK to have come from the Russian Territory.

    and the retarded theory's of an infiltrated Russian BUK TELAR shooting out of central ukraine and then exfiltrate unopposed with nobody noticing is simply idiotic. on every road there are anti kiev/kiev army checkpoints. like nobody starts asking questions when they hear a civilian airlines got shot down and dont bother to think what thats BUK doing racing out of the country on the back of a truck?. in war its just impossible. stop using drugs, read some books about war of for gods sake ask someone that fought in an actual war if this can be done. they tell you this is impossible to pull off.

    and thats not mentioning the Spanish Air Traffic Controller hired by Kiev sending his lasts tweets out to twitter while Kiev's millitary seized him and his crew in the immidiate aftermath. describing that Kiev where the ones responsible for shooting down MH17. i for one am very curious to his testimony. the Spanish ATC is already confirmed to actually work for Kiev's ATC.

    http://slavyangrad.wordpress.com/2014/07/18/spanish-air-controller-kiev-borispol-airport-ukraine-military-shot-down-boeing-mh17/

    i assume the Ukrainians shot it down, the facts just points seriously in that direction. the fact i assume that has nothing to do me being on this forum either. i said it before and i say it again, i state my opinion regardlesss if its critisising to Russia or not.

    but while 180 dead fellow countryman lie scattered on the ground in Lockerbie-style in Ukraine with even dead Dutch troops im of course pissed. but the fact remains that i do not believe Russia did it. too many facts say it can not be staged by russia, and too many things already point towards Ukraine for the shooting down.
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    Post  TR1 on Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:34 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The most fascinating thing about world geo-politics is the U.S. state dept. kills over 1.5 million Iraqi's over a lie and left the country in as a mess with thousands of suicide bombings a month, and virtually no one condemns that, but a virtually bloodless legal referendum (Kosovo set a international standard that the U.N. has accepted) that's virtually the same one from 1992 (which pre-dates Putin's presidency by 8 years) where one of the outcomes is the elderly gaining pensions that have doubled in size, but that gets international condemnation even from the fraud Ban Ki Moon and the U.N. It's safe to say Ban Ki Moon (a guy who lectures about stopping arms trafficking, but doesn't say jackshit about France, Britain, U.S. openly admitting arms trafficking in to Libya, Syria) should be named Brown-Eye Moon, a cookie-cutter puppet of the Anglosphere and the United Nations will go the way of the League of Nations.
    Oh boy! The US killed a bunch of if Iraqis!

    Guess we are good to do what we please as long as we don't approach that kill count! Putin's presidency is good for Russia, because he didn't kill as many people! Sweet!

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