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    Common Lies, Russophobia, Nonsense on Russia

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    Post  par far Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:52 pm

    Project Canada wrote:nothing to do with Russian military bases, however.,

    Tajikistan has Banned Russian endings in surnames

    It seems USAID and NGOs have been working double time to erode Russia's remaining influence in the post soviet space, there was another article several years ago where Kazakhstan reportedly planned to switch their alphabet from Cyrilic to English. I wish Russia can reverse this obvious sabotage and impose more Russufication + Christianization of the former soviet union territories


    This is dangerous, this is brainwashing the population, this is preparing for a revolution, Russia cannot just sit by and do nothing, Russia needs to double it efforts and put more Russian NGO's and agents, into the former Soviet countries.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Apr 29, 2016 6:54 pm

    Project Canada wrote:nothing to do with Russian military bases, however.,

    Tajikistan has Banned Russian endings in surnames

    It seems USAID and NGOs have been working double time to erode Russia's remaining influence in the post soviet space, there was another article several years ago where Kazakhstan reportedly planned to switch their alphabet from Cyrilic to English. I wish Russia can reverse this obvious sabotage and impose more Russufication + Christianization of the former soviet union territories

    No Western NGO can do that damage. This is just normal Patho-Nationalism in irrelevant spot. Dude's a dictator, so really, not the kind of shit you wouldn't expect from Rahmon.
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    Post  sepheronx Fri Apr 29, 2016 7:42 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:nothing to do with Russian military bases, however.,

    Tajikistan has Banned Russian endings in surnames

    It seems USAID and NGOs have been working double time to erode Russia's remaining influence in the post soviet space, there was another article several years ago where Kazakhstan reportedly planned to switch their alphabet from Cyrilic to English. I wish Russia can reverse this obvious sabotage and impose more Russufication + Christianization of the former soviet union territories

    No Western NGO can do that damage. This is just normal Patho-Nationalism in irrelevant spot. Dude's a dictator, so really, not the kind of shit you wouldn't expect from Rahmon.
    x100

    NGO's do not make such obvious moves as it will put them in the spotlights. This was all thanks to that dictator they got. Not surprising really. And no, this isn't happening in Kazakhstan. Tajikistan is a hellhole all on its own.

    Unfortunately, Russia has to work with them in order to prevent terrorism from spreading to Russia.
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    Post  Svyatoslavich Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:44 am

    Project Canada wrote:nothing to do with Russian military bases, however.,

    Tajikistan has Banned Russian endings in surnames

    It seems USAID and NGOs have been working double time to erode Russia's remaining influence in the post soviet space, there was another article several years ago where Kazakhstan reportedly planned to switch their alphabet from Cyrilic to English. I wish Russia can reverse this obvious sabotage and impose more Russufication + Christianization of the former soviet union territories
    There is no such thing as English alphabet, it is Latin.
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    Post  flamming_python Sat Apr 30, 2016 9:19 pm

    Project Canada wrote:nothing to do with Russian military bases, however.,

    Tajikistan has Banned Russian endings in surnames

    It seems USAID and NGOs have been working double time to erode Russia's remaining influence in the post soviet space, there was another article several years ago where Kazakhstan reportedly planned to switch their alphabet from Cyrilic to English. I wish Russia can reverse this obvious sabotage and impose more Russufication + Christianization of the former soviet union territories

    Ummm they actually did that like 7-8 years ago.

    Old news.
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    Post  Regular Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:01 pm

    What a stupid thing. I always were astounded by Tajiks. Some of them look like white russians but they still are mongoloids in their heads (no offence to Mongolians) Some of their traditions makes Borat look good. Unibrow is also popular there.
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    Post  x_54_u43 Sun May 01, 2016 5:41 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:nothing to do with Russian military bases, however.,

    Tajikistan has Banned Russian endings in surnames

    It seems USAID and NGOs have been working double time to erode Russia's remaining influence in the post soviet space, there was another article several years ago where Kazakhstan reportedly planned to switch their alphabet from Cyrilic to English. I wish Russia can reverse this obvious sabotage and impose more Russufication + Christianization of the former soviet union territories

    Ummm they actually did that like 7-8 years ago.

    Old news.

    What was the response to this? Don't tell me Russia took that lightly?


    Also, why?
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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 01, 2016 10:14 pm

    x_54_u43 wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:
    Project Canada wrote:nothing to do with Russian military bases, however.,

    Tajikistan has Banned Russian endings in surnames

    It seems USAID and NGOs have been working double time to erode Russia's remaining influence in the post soviet space, there was another article several years ago where Kazakhstan reportedly planned to switch their alphabet from Cyrilic to English. I wish Russia can reverse this obvious sabotage and impose more Russufication + Christianization of the former soviet union territories

    Ummm they actually did that like 7-8 years ago.

    Old news.

    What was the response to this? Don't tell me Russia took that lightly?


    Also, why?

    Why would there be a response?
    Did it hurt Russian state or economic interests somehow?

    It's their country, they can do whatever they want.

    Russia's not in a position to judge; since 1991 we've phased out quite a bit of what we inherited from the Soviet Union, other former republics more, and Tajikistan has banned Russian endings for Tajik names - boo hoo.

    BTW Russian is still taught in Tajikistan and no-one's trying to get rid of it there.
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    Post  kvs Sat May 07, 2016 1:28 am

    I have noticed an attack on the Russian alphabet in a recent episode of one of the prime time US TV shows.
    One of the characters takes a dig at the "reversed" letters in Russian. This is epic f*cktard nonsense. These
    actors are speaking a language, English, which uses the Latin alphabet. None of the letters in this alphabet is
    unique to England. So to get on some high horse that Russians "ripped off the letter R and reversed it" as if
    they were retarded monkeys is simply grotesque. Kyrillos and Methodios created the slavic alphabet which
    is used in the Russian language. There was nothing wrong with them reversing R to make a letter for "YA".
    At least these two saints bothered to create a custom alphabet for slavic languages. English just got the
    alphabet of its colonial masters, i.e. Rome.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon May 09, 2016 7:14 am

    So sdelanounas broke a Novaya Gazeta article that made some ridiculous claims:

    Debunking myths about the fresh industry Kaluga Region

    And even the author of the Gazeta article tried to defend himself by stating his comments purely come from the fact that the agricultural sector has been hit in Kaluga and that villages are dying. But essentially, someone else had to explain to him that as much as the land is as rich as Belarus, the weather sucks and that the soil does indeed require more work than needed, thus agricultural costs are higher and demand for the goods grown are not high. Although, someone stated that Kaluga could be investing in production of meat so have cattle and other such (maybe dairy as well) since the land doesn't require much work for the animals and the demand is much higher. But the article that sdelanounas points out is the success of the industrial sectors and growth in manufacturing and other such stuff.
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    Post  sepheronx Wed May 11, 2016 4:29 am

    Good counter article:

    There's No Shortage of Liberal Propagandists on Russian TV
    Russia media counters western progapagda lies in an ingenious way - by simply letting the propagandists speak for themselves
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    Post  andalusia Sun May 29, 2016 11:31 pm

    I stumbled across this site and found this thread.  In the comments section, these Americans put down the Russian military. I would like people comments.

    https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1160701/
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    Post  GarryB Mon May 30, 2016 3:04 pm

    When you post a thread anywhere and start calling those you disagree with homos then you are not there for a meaningful and open and honest discussion.

    The fact that I agree with some of the things said I can perfectly understand such a response.
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    Post  cracker Wed Jun 01, 2016 4:28 am

    Ok one may ask why i create this thread. I've simply been outraged and shocked by what this dude has been saying lately on probably his most active lair nowadays: tank-net.

    I always respected this forum about tanks (not only) and learned a lot from it. As a matter of fact, "Damian" or "Damian90" was also active on MP.net. This dude has some great knowledge, and i used to learn from his posts, even though i've always disliked his arrogant and condescending tone.

    I bet most of you who run in these "circles" like me know "Damian" for a few years now. I think he even had a short stay on russiadefense, before being either banned or just butthurt and left on his own.

    Damian as been an integral part of the forums that i read for maybe 6-7 years now, i used to respect his technical knowledge and he more than once defended / explained russian/soviet AFV/tanks designs on so many forums, indiadefense (china and pak forums too), the tank-net and MP.net (uber epic russian photos thread)... Though you could always feel a bit of hatred towards Russia, russians, communist and putin, in his messages.

    Somewhere in 2014 or 2015 he apparently entered in the polish army, as he proudly states in various threads. He turned paranoid and just full mental on so many occasions, the 2014 events with crimea, maidan, donbass, have seemingly burned his braincells: he is persuaded than poland is the last stand against mad barbaric russian hordes who want to "rape" and "steal" europe, he supports 200% the militaristic, nationalist and let's say facist branches in poland, openly brags about it. He is seemingly persuaded than poland on its own thanks to its reformed army and ubermenschen technology can stop "russian invasion of europe".

    He seems to get his orgasms nowadays (for~3years it seems) by bashing soviet-era weapons that he calls "shit" compared to ubermenschen new polish weapons (rearmement plans), according to him new polish AFVs and small arms are the best in the world (kek), and socialist polish army equipement heritage is "shit" and made for peasants. He's fanatic like a little girly about the US and NATO (UK, GER) occupation of his country and gets a permanent boner when US, UK and GER armor troops train with glorious polish armor troops, preparing for the great day when they will all together repel the mongoloid hordes led by putin himself on his bear.

    I want to make this thread to report the sociopathic behaviour of this individual that has become completely mad and who isn't censored one bit on the places where he regularily posts. On tank net you can see Roman Alymov (a russian citizen who's Damian's worst ennemy, he openly threatens him to come to poland to see if he will go back alive in russia, for example) being smarter than him and always answering brillantly to Damian's madness. I smell that if Roman would dare a quarter of what the rabid polish says, he would get banned instantly. Damian posts on russophobic places, obviously, but tank-net is kind of free and neutral, even though likes of Damian speak much too loud.

    Anyway, share your experiences with Damian if you have any, report what you find if you see his posts, and, just let people know the truth about him, the good old "Abrams lover" who once had one or two good things to say, that's now a lobotomised leader of the russophobic internet team.

    Damian only lives by the words like "Katyn massacre" or "holodomor" among other things, he's like a broken record, a very anoying and noisy one. He praises ukraine only because it suits his russophobic agenda, maybe he forgot what "ukraine" with their dear Nazi friends, did to ~200.000 polish citizens during WW2.

    I wanted to post this in ukraine's war thread but i thought, it might be better in off topic.

    Enough, these are copy paste from tank net tread on ukraine: (from page 699 to last, you can read all you want yourself to have Roman's messages for example), these are just examples, his posts on various threads in tank net denote the same madness (100% anti Assad of course, pro ISIS (not openly but you feel it), etc...).

    http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=38893&page=699

    "It's a disgrace there is Soviet flag there, Soviet Union was just the same criminal state as 3rd Reich was, there was no difference between the two."

    "Typical response of typical homo sovieticus."

    "As I said, it's a typical talk of typical homo sovieticus.

    Death of a millions? Who cares! It was all about making Russia great!

    And for homo sovieticus here, it's a sarcasm, go figure."

    "Oh so now you gonna insult other countries your Soviet Union invaded with 3rd Reich?

    Besides this, please do me that pleassure and come to my country and tell this to my countrymen, we gonna see if you return to Russia in one piece. Very Happy

    Also if you talk about our disput for Zaolzie region with Czech Republic, we solved that problem with them, and we appologized, as civilized people do, something Russians are unable to do it seems, because you never appologize, never say "yeah we done some bad things, we appologize". And this is now disgusting!"

    "Bravo for Ukraine!"

    "But it's like not giving Ukraine chance to sort things out on their own, it's your typical bullying by larger, stronger neighbour, and it's certain that if they suceed at Ukraine, they gonna seek another victim, afterall Putin needs external threat so nation won't be occupied too much with worsening economic state of their country and internal issues."

    "It will definately take Ukraine much longer to sort things out, but to even start they need peace. Truth to be told, the best thing would be for Ukraine to just let go Crimea and LNR/DNR, they will create more problems than good for Ukraine at this point, if Russia wants them so much and wants to drown money there, let them be."

    "Russians are not welcome, simple as that."

    "We all know that Nazis and you Soviets were in love before 1939 and up till 1941. But you little scumbags never admitt it, and never gonna say sorry. We apologized Czechs, and it was indeed a mistake. Dispute for Zaolzie region could had been solved different way.

    But hey that is a difference between a decent people and scumbags

    BTW it's hilarious that you put here a Soviet perspective on that subject. So what, Soviet perspective is better perspective than anyones else? Especially considering Soviets are born liers? Yeaht that's indeed hilarious.

    BTW 2 Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact is even more interesting lecture, showing how both of scumbags, Stalin and Hitler started to slice the cake (Europe) between the two. http://www.britannic...aggression-Pact

    But a lier and hipocrite Roman will not mention this, ohhhh noooo, he won't because truth about his beloved Soviet Union is such a difficult truth he can't swallow it."

    "Another worth thing to note.

    This is a briliant documentary about "glorious" Soviet Union and it's participation in war and before it. It looks like Russians attitude towards Ukrainians and other nations didn't changed, eh Roman? So who next you would invade after Ukraine I wonder? Who needs your glorious troops on his soil?

    And after this movie I always laugh when Roman is lamenting that monuments of Lenin (or other socialists/communists) are destroyed or removed in Ukraine or other countries."

    "Well definately our officers were not taking photos and movies with Nazis celebrating victory and planing invading other countries.

    Romand serious I wish I will meet you one day in person, and I will be able to show you what I think about you"

    "You Russians were supporting Nazis in genocide done on Jews and other nations. Just watch "The Soviet Story" documentary... oh wait you won't accept the truth because you are coward.

    And serious you I wonder if you would be so "brave" traying to insult other nations talking with me face to face, you little lier. I hope you will give me this pleassure.

    Besides this photo shows perfectly that Soviet = Nazis.  You were the same genocidal fuckers."

    "This describes Soviet Union perfectly, criminal state of criminal nation of murderers."

    "Fo me all of them are Soviets.

    Dzierżyński is considered a traitor and murderer, a common thug in Poland. Find a single memorial of him in Poland or a single Pole thet cherish him... yeah good luck.

    Besides it's funny how you support them, so Roman you support genocide and criminals, aren't you?"

    "Were they Soviet goverment, YES, were they murderers, YES, do you cherish them? YES, you are exactly the same as they were Roman.

    Besides your beloved country in recent history invaded Georgia, Ukraine, threatened Baltic States, Romania and Poland. Your beloved country is criminal country."

    "For socialists, yes, socialists like you, who killed innocent people. Tell me Roman, how many innocent Ukrainians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Poles, your relatives murdered? I am really eager to know that."

    "And yet, not matter of your ancestors, you support agression on their country, shame on you!"

    "DNR and LNR are just bandits, they are not soldiers, they do ot wear state uniforms, they never sworn an oath to a state. For me as a soldiers they are nothing more than bandits, scumbags, that are robbing local citizens and endanger them. You might support them, but then you are the same scumbag. I can bet you never served in uniform if you do so, and if you served, then again, shame on you, you do not know what it is to serve and to be a soldier, only to be a typical bandit."

    "These are not soldiers, just armed groups. And you know why they are not soldiers? Because to be a soldier you need to belong to armed forces of a state LND and DNR are not states, not countries, simple as that.

    And vice versa, NKVD was made up from the same bandits and murderers as SS, both sides were worth each another. But NKVD murdered by SS and SS murdered by NKVD is nothing shocking, shocking how both SS and NKVD was murdering civilians, raping women and so on."

    "DNR and LNR are not a state, they do not have economy, they are not recognised and never gonna be recognised. Not to mention you are a fool if you believe Putin will ever let them be independent states. Putin needs them only to create problems for Ukraine."


    ............
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    Post  Acheron Wed Jun 01, 2016 1:56 pm

    You have let an internet nutter get to you. There's no reason to spend excessive time and energy on internet trolls, they feed off that. From experience, I have found that there are several things to do with unreasonable nutters: 1) Report him and get him banned 2) In case where the forum is tolerant of trolling and flamebaiting simply use his weakness (polish nationalism, US fanboyism, egomania) to push his buttons and get him foaming at the mouth raging and/or crying (trolls can be trolled too).
    3) If all else fails, put him on ignore.
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    Post  Guest Wed Jun 01, 2016 6:31 pm

    Damian is probably one of the most hated persons online beside Sodapopins and Kardashians... first one will be known to people that are into gaming lol
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    Post  Werewolf Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:25 pm

    Damian has never served in the military, he is still a civlian that like in any ZOG NATO country can "serve" days in the military as a civilian. He never has undergone training of any level or degree, physical or technical or even logistical training for any of that level. He is no better than any average civilian and probably inferior based on how he tried to sound like a big soldier when he mentioned he served as a "reservist" while never have been in military before, fun thing is you can become now reservist without ever having served which destroys the entire concept of reservists in the first place. That is todays NATO for you. He tried to give himself credibility in a discussion which turned to a which hunt of all "sovieticus" who are not buying his shit by mentioning that he served his few days and shot a few weapons, because shooting a few fire arms makes you an authority on military matters especially on weapons plattforms such as tanks.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Wed Jun 01, 2016 8:40 pm

    ... and all of that says a guy that would not exist hadn't the Soviet Union liberated Poland. He literaly owes his life to USSR.

    Does he want maps to be redrawn? Not recognizing USSR as the liberator of Poland means not recognizing post-1945 borders of Poland.
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    Post  Guest Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:49 pm

    Werewolf wrote:Damian has never served in the military, he is still a civlian that like in any ZOG NATO country can "serve" days in the military as a civilian. He never has undergone training of any level or degree, physical or technical or even logistical training for any of that level. He is no better than any average civilian and probably inferior based on how he tried to sound like a big soldier when he mentioned he served as a "reservist" while never have been in military before, fun thing is you can become now reservist without ever having served which destroys the entire concept of reservists in the first place. That is todays NATO for you. He tried to give himself credibility in a discussion which turned to a which hunt of all "sovieticus" who are not buying his shit by mentioning that he served his few days and shot a few weapons, because shooting a few fire arms makes you an authority on military matters especially on weapons plattforms such as tanks.

    I am not even listed in "active reserve" in Serbia even tho i am reserve officer, i am listed in "reserve". I wonder what kind of reserve those guys with 2 days of rifle training in France are listed in.
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    Post  Book. Wed Jun 01, 2016 11:42 pm

    Dam90 the kid.  clown
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    Post  OminousSpudd Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:19 pm

    Excellent rant there chap. thumbsup

    Him and Dalekmc14 are well loved around the interwebz. /s

    @the reservist discussion

    Yah, even the lads we used to call Territorials over here have now been renamed "Reservists", yet when they went under the title of "Territorials" they had an identity as being volunteer "Minutemen". They're literally your average plebs from off the street that go off on a Monday to play war, which is great for giving fundamental wartime training, but as an official reservist force? Lol.
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    Post  x_54_u43 Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:12 am

    You are a retard for letting Damian get to you like that, you are even more retarded then him, because at least he doesn't post autistic ramblings about some guy he hates on his forums.

    Do you realize what you have done? You have directly contributed to lowering Russiadefence.net's reputation by posting your "rant".

    Good job.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:15 am

    x_54_u43 wrote:You are a retard for letting Damian get to you like that, you are even more retarded then him, because at least he doesn't post autistic ramblings about some guy he hates on his forums.

    Do you realize what you have done? You have directly contributed to lowering Russiadefence.net's reputation by posting your "rant".

    Good job.

    Na, he did a good job opening our eyes to this doushe
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    x_54_u43 wrote:You are a retard for letting Damian get to you like that, you are even more retarded then him, because at least he doesn't post autistic ramblings about some guy he hates on his forums.

    Do you realize what you have done? You have directly contributed to lowering Russiadefence.net's reputation by posting your "rant".

    Good job.

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    Post  andalusia Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:39 pm

    GarryB wrote:When you post a thread anywhere and start calling those you disagree with homos then you are not there for a meaningful and open and honest discussion.

    The fact that I agree with some of the things said I can perfectly understand such a response.

    I agree with you. It was in bad taste of the OP to do that.

    However, many of the comments made by Americans about Russian military equipment confirmed a lot of what is said on this forum that Americans are brainwashed and underestimate Russian military technology and people. I am about to post comments that were reflective of that attitude.

    This comment by poster GreyWolf1972:  "Ever hear of "you get what you pay for"? If you are on a budget, and don't intend to fight the United States on any level, then buy cheap Russian crap. Many middle eastern countries have gone that route. The world has seen how THAT has turned out when fighting us.

    The best stuff we won't even sell. Until the muds and the homos completely take us over you will never be on our level.

    This forum is about articles, by the way. Not misplaced bravado.


    He also said this:   Never be concerned about Russians and 'superiority'. They do not belong in the same sentence. Every white race has it's best attributes. Military engineering is not the forte of our Russian brethren.

    That said, no nation makes their most state-of-the-art weapons known to others(even in leaks) until they have surpassed it with something else. I have ETSed 20 years ago and there are still some things we had then that the people do not know about now. Trust me, even with the recent influx of social debauchery, we are well ahead of pootin and his wannabe resurrection of the USSR.



    Another Comment by GreyWolf1972: Ahh, you mean the mig with the engine our 'ally' England was so gracious as to give to the Russians? And right after we saved their entire country in WW2, as well. I suppose when one no longer needs to engineer a good aircraft engine, then they can quickly scramble aluminum parts and men at gunpoint to fly them.

    Try again Korean era historian. The Russians also had no care about how many men had to die before success, as Americans did. Still, America succeeded where Russia failed in numerous areas of the space race.



    Comment by budellshannon: Not sure about their weapons but their ammo sucks. I used to sell ammo and the Russian stuff was dirty as hell. Wouldn't recommend it unless you want to clean your weapon after every shot or risk it jamming on you from all the residue left behind.


    Comment by vnovak: While there is truth in statement, that quantity is a quality in itself, there are other things to consider on the battlefield.

    Even if Russian jet fighters are better than the F35, it is not the job of F35 to combat Russian jets, that's the job of F22. Once the F22 clears the sky of enemy fighters, F35s can easily fly around, blasting enemy transport aircraft and helicopters out of the sky.

    And even if T90 is better (with quantity taken to account) than the Abrams, once the F22 does its job, all those T90s become easy pray for the Warthog, F35 and the like. After they are dealt with, the Abrams tanks can roll by the smouldering shells of T90s, and blast bunkers and other strong poi ts, making way for the infantry.

    We have seen all this during both Iraq wars. There Mig29s proved no match for F15s, and after they were cleared from the sky, helicopters and attack planes cleared the way for ground forces.

    The disparity of strength between air forces in Iraq wars was so grotesquely large, that iraqui pilots not only didn't dare take off, they even buried their migs in the sand, to prevent their destruction.

    As a whole, I think American weaponry still has a significant edge over any possible enemy. Comparisons between single weapons are pretty useless, what counts is the overall strategic situation, with the combined armed forces taken into account. That's what counts.



    poster vnovak also said this:There is one significant thing to consider in the space race. In USA, everything was done publicly, news and the people were aware of everything, preparation, launch, events during flight, landing. It was all televised.

    Therefore failure wasn't an option, so American side in the space race was significantly constrained by the reliability requirement.

    The Soviets, on the other hand, did everything in secrecy. Under the communist regime, press was under iron party control and nobody dared report anything not approved by the party leaders. So the Soviets could fail as many times as they wanted, since they kept their activities secret, and they only reported successes.

    Had Gagarin burned up on launch, nobody would have heard about him, and two weeks later Titov would have been launched and become the first man in space. This could never happen in USA, a failure would have been highly publicized.

    BTW, there actually are numerous disastrous events in the Soviet space endeavour, but we just don't know about them, because they only reported Gagarin, and they kept the lid on all the dead in their rocket explosions.

    Additionally, their secrecy allowed the Soviets to cheat. The rules at the time said, that the astronaut has to land inside the spacecraft. Gagarin jumped out of his spacecraft, and parachuted down to earth. The Soviets didn't mention that fact, and under the rules on the competition, the Americans actually won, because the first American in space actually landed in the spacecraft.

    For people, who haven't experienced communism, this stuff is beyond imagination, so nobody takes this stuff I to account these days. But there is still a stalinist country in the world, where the communist party has a firm grip on media. It's North Korea. There the starving population keeps hearing about how they live in the best country in the world, and they only ever hear of North Korean success and that extends to things like sports. North Koreans never get to hear their national team was defeated, the communist party never releases the news. They get to hear about victories, and they get to watch replay of the match afterwards.

    In that kind of society, the government can get away with a lot. Even if the population is starving.



    Comment by Pacufish:  But we had pilots state that the mig15 would NOT get to the assembly line in the USA because of how poorly it was built. Look it up

    After the wall came down we realized that most of their stuff was pretty much crap.



    comment by 14words of Truth: This is how bad the Soviet system was:

    America put three men in a space capsule.

    So the Soviets put three men in a two man space capsule. There wasn't enough room for them to wear space suits, so they sent them up in track suits instead.

    It was dangerous and risky, but if they died they would be heroes of the state, and if they lived they would be heroes of he state. It's all the same to the state.

    That's how communism works.



    Comment by Whiteraven:They are still using junk from the Soviet Union. Let's just say Russia is going to have a hard time getting out from that Marxist mess. You see the red star on that plane? Not a coincidence.



    Comment by FW190D6: Not necessary, US ARMY can crush Russia in less of six hours. F-16 is knowed as a "MiG-Killer", it has the record that destroy over 200 MiG-29 and no one russian jet has shutdown just one.  putin still gloryficating the stupid ussr and he want create it again.


    I am pointing out Garry B that a significant number of Americans think along these lines. Americans can be very arrogant and boisterous. I would like your comments and others about these statements.  Did the USSR not care about the men who they sent in outer space like some posters on that forum said? I don't know for sure.  It is about propaganda against Russia. Does Russia have secret advanced state of the art equipment that is hidden from the public?  

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