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    Post  Neutrality Fri Jun 26, 2015 10:21 am

    If Russia EVER gets Balkanized throuugh Western intervention then they'll finally have their Pandora's Box. All those movies like The Sum of All Fears and Crimson Tide will become reality. All kinds of leaders having their hands on the nuclear button? I don't think they really want that.
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    Post  kvs Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:57 pm

    This is unrelated to military issues, but it highlights how western propaganda brainwashes the gullible masses.

    The stories about Yuschenko being "poisoned" with dioxin and the Nord Ost theater siege are worked into Hollywood
    movies and TV.   For example, the movie Transcendence the poison cake is supposedly laced with dioxin.   This is
    pure nonsense since dioxin does not act like a regular poison and kills you on the spot.   It makes you sick and then
    you can die later due to complications.   Yuschenko's face was disfigured by chloracne that result from dioxin ingestion
    but he is very much alive today.   That Hollywood felt the need to pimp dioxin as a "poison" shows political motivation
    and not just script writer creativity.

    Then they also include Polonium in the bullet that kills a key character. This is obvious brainwashing. How about
    including some dimethyl mercury in the bullet. A tiny amount of it will kill you in a slow manner. BTW, the UK did
    not open up its reactors for verification on the source of the Polonium that killed Litvinenko. Litvinenko's patron
    Berezvosky also died after he had a falling out with the western elites and wrote letters to Putin trying to arrange
    for a return to Russia. How convenient.

    The TV show NCIS had one episode where the Dubrovka theater hostage rescue was smeared as "Russians using poison
    gas".   It was actually an anesthetic gas and the reason that many hostages died was because it is difficult to control
    the dose and resuscitation has to be prompt.   People died from asphyxia because their breathing was put to sleep
    and the paramedics were delayed from reaching the scene.   It is tragic but all the western masturbation about how
    25% of the hostages died was grotesque and obscene.    Hostage rescues are very messy and such a death rate is
    actually considered a "success".  

    I noticed this brainwashing via the entertainment industry a long time ago.   Political themes and events were regularly
    worked into movies and TV during the cold war.   It is pathetic that westerners can have their views on world events
    be framed via fiction.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:47 pm

    As of right now, with Putin's popularity up to 89% and that Russians account for about 95% of the population from far east to far west of Russia, nearly impossible. Only regions that could potentially separate are Chechnya, Daegestan, Ingushetia, and some others. Tatarstan couldn't as it would be completely surrounded and an economic blockade would destroy it, plus half of the population is Russian. It is real wishful thinking of the US government because majority of them are so stupidly ignorant that they think that Russians would turn on other Russians, as they don't see them the same people but similar to like Serbs and Croats or something.

    But chalk it up to US politicians to be this stupid. Oh, and some Serbian witch that goes in contrary what her country wants.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:51 pm

    kvs wrote:This is unrelated to military issues, but it highlights how western propaganda brainwashes the gullible masses.

    The stories about Yuschenko being "poisoned" with dioxin and the Nord Ost theater siege are worked into Hollywood
    movies and TV.   For example, the movie Transcendence the poison cake is supposedly laced with dioxin.   This is
    pure nonsense since dioxin does not act like a regular poison and kills you on the spot.   It makes you sick and then
    you can die later due to complications.   Yuschenko's face was disfigured by chloracne that result from dioxin ingestion
    but he is very much alive today.   That Hollywood felt the need to pimp dioxin as a "poison" shows political motivation
    and not just script writer creativity.

    Then they also include Polonium in the bullet that kills a key character.   This is obvious brainwashing.  How about
    including some dimethyl mercury in the bullet.   A tiny amount of it will kill you in a slow manner.   BTW, the UK did
    not open up its reactors for verification on the source of the Polonium that killed Litvinenko.   Litvinenko's patron
    Berezvosky also died after he had a falling out with the western elites and wrote letters to Putin trying to arrange
    for a return to Russia.   How convenient.  

    The TV show NCIS had one episode where the Dubrovka theater hostage rescue was smeared as "Russians using poison
    gas".   It was actually an anesthetic gas and the reason that many hostages died was because it is difficult to control
    the dose and resuscitation has to be prompt.   People died from asphyxia because their breathing was put to sleep
    and the paramedics were delayed from reaching the scene.   It is tragic but all the western masturbation about how
    25% of the hostages died was grotesque and obscene.    Hostage rescues are very messy and such a death rate is
    actually considered a "success".  

    I noticed this brainwashing via the entertainment industry a long time ago.   Political themes and events were regularly
    worked into movies and TV during the cold war.   It is pathetic that westerners can have their views on world events
    be framed via fiction.

    The people who actually believe this stuff should try it at home to see if it works or such. Would love to hear about that on the news.

    People are becoming inherently retarded, at least from the US and even Canada. But whatever, they will have to live with whatever consequences (well, we are already seeing the consequences of our stupidity - hear about the guy from Winnipeg that was arrested for saying he cant blame ISIS for wanting to kill us, because what we have done in the middle east?). Our entire country is turning into one giant shithole and Harper is clearly helping with having NOS added to the vehicle that is our country.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:48 pm

    Ukrainian were once Russians and they did turn against Russia.
    It is not impossible to turn the present-day Russians against each other.
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    Post  Werewolf Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:51 pm

    We've seen what just 23 years can do, ukrainians today believe they are not russians but an own ethnicity with the name "At-boarder-living" and kill their own people on behalf of zionazis and americans while screaming suicidal phrases "Death to russians".

    I actually wish someone would do that to US so they can have decade long civil war of their own and leave rest of the world alone, propsering and thriving.
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    Post  Vann7 Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:01 am

    Werewolf wrote:We've seen what just 23 years can do, ukrainians today believe they are not russians but an own ethnicity with the name "At-boarder-living" and kill their own people on behalf of zionazis and americans while screaming suicidal phrases "Death to russians".

    I actually wish someone would do that to US so they can have decade long civil war of their own and leave rest of the world alone, propsering and thriving.

    Werewolf wrote:We've seen what just 23 years can do, ukrainians today believe they are not russians but an own ethnicity with the name "At-boarder-living" and kill their own people on behalf of zionazis and americans while screaming suicidal phrases "Death to russians".

    I actually wish someone would do that to US so they can have decade long civil war of their own and leave rest of the world alone, propsering and thriving.

    Is not actually that difficult..
    Any new born ukrainian after the 90s.. had to be born under a
    New Government bribed by the west to promote Rusophobia nation wide.
    If you have people from childhood being told Russians eat babies and they are mongols painted white,Ukrainians will believe it..  The CIANazification of Ukraine began with the split of Ukraine
    from soviet union in 90s.. and all the way integrated on its education system.. including children text books. But the first DeRusophication was made by Germans few years before World War 1 and Bolshevick Revolution. But Ironically the major De-Rusophication of Ukraine came from
    the Soviet union . Because of the banning of religion and chistianity from Russian lands.. and when bolshevicks jews came to Power in Russia for first time. Ukrainians compared Europe with Soviet Union Communism and noticed how superior was the standard of living of Europeans vs
    them.. Probably had never a bolshevick revolution happened in Russia ,Ukraine will have never existed and only one language existed.. Russian. But Combination of Western Europropaganda
    with Soviets Union repression on Religion and other things ,helped to create separatism.
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    Post  Regular Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:43 am

    Werewolf wrote:We've seen what just 23 years can do, ukrainians today believe they are not russians but an own ethnicity with the name "At-boarder-living" and kill their own people on behalf of zionazis and americans while screaming suicidal phrases "Death to russians".

    I actually wish someone would do that to US so they can have decade long civil war of their own and leave rest of the world alone, propsering and thriving.
    It took a year to turn majority of Ukrainians against Russians. While only few Russians hate Ukrainians as for now.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jun 28, 2015 1:45 am

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Ukrainian were once Russians and they did turn against Russia.
    It is not impossible to turn the present-day Russians against each other.

    Yes and no.  Prior to Russian Tsar ruling, a huge portion of western Ukraine was part of Poland and for hundreds of years, would have had anti Russian sentiment.  A huge portion of Ukraine now is being governed by western Ukraine and the anti Russian sentiment is mostly from those regions.  You may hear it coming from eastern Ukraine too, but how much do you want to bet it is people whom are not of Russian-Ukrainian heritage.  It is predominantly the Polish Ukrainians and their compatriots that are a problem.

    Eastern Russians and Western Russians are simply Russians, and there was never a question about identity and such in any part of history, be it recent or farther past.  So I don't buy into the whole "they can be taught to be different".

    Regular wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:We've seen what just 23 years can do, ukrainians today believe they are not russians but an own ethnicity with the name "At-boarder-living" and kill their own people on behalf of zionazis and americans while screaming suicidal phrases "Death to russians".

    I actually wish someone would do that to US so they can have decade long civil war of their own and leave rest of the world alone, propsering and thriving.
    It took a year to turn majority of Ukrainians against Russians. While only few Russians hate Ukrainians as for now.

    Anti Russian indoctrination happened for quite a long time.  Let us not forget that now, Russia is swimming with Ukrainians whom are fleeing Ukraine.  Clearly not all Ukrainians are anti Russians.  Simply they were too stupid to see what they were doing.

    Only ones whom are screaming death to Russians are usually the useful idiots.

    This was posted in the Ukrainian thread:



    Ukrainianization has been going on for a very long time. Now that Soviet Union is no more and Russia is its own entity, the concept of Ukrainianization or balkaninization of Russia will not be able to happen. This is currently evident. What is even more funny is that in the last 20+ years, Russia has been under ridiculous amount of bullshit from foreign entities and they have been pushing the balkanization of Russia for some time, and now Russian identity is more powerful than ever. I wonder why? Because Russians are not stupid.
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    Post  kvs Sun Jun 28, 2015 4:24 am

    Regular wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:We've seen what just 23 years can do, ukrainians today believe they are not russians but an own ethnicity with the name "At-boarder-living" and kill their own people on behalf of zionazis and americans while screaming suicidal phrases "Death to russians".

    I actually wish someone would do that to US so they can have decade long civil war of their own and leave rest of the world alone, propsering and thriving.
    It took a year to turn majority of Ukrainians against Russians. While only few Russians hate Ukrainians as for now.

    This is patently false. The brainwashing started even before 1991. The Holodomor myth was used to poison relations between
    Russians and a minority of Ukrainians. Given the polling results over the last 10+ years, 50% of Ukrainians do not hate Russians.
    These Ukrainians have been robbed of their voice by the coup dictatorship. Holding votes with only the anti-Russian parties
    participating is a sham. That is in addition to having goons controlling the electoral commission so none of the voting can even
    be trusted.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Jun 28, 2015 6:26 am

    kvs wrote:
    Regular wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:We've seen what just 23 years can do, ukrainians today believe they are not russians but an own ethnicity with the name "At-boarder-living" and kill their own people on behalf of zionazis and americans while screaming suicidal phrases "Death to russians".

    I actually wish someone would do that to US so they can have decade long civil war of their own and leave rest of the world alone, propsering and thriving.
    It took a year to turn majority of Ukrainians against Russians. While only few Russians hate Ukrainians as for now.

    This is patently false.  The brainwashing started even before 1991.   The Holodomor myth was used to poison relations between
    Russians and a minority of Ukrainians.  Given the polling results over the last 10+ years, 50% of Ukrainians do not hate Russians.
    These Ukrainians have been robbed of their voice by the coup dictatorship.   Holding votes with only the anti-Russian parties
    participating is a sham.   That is in addition to having goons controlling the electoral commission so none of the voting can even
    be trusted.

    It wasn't even that.  During last elections, the turn out rate was apparently appalling, about as appalling as Poroshenko's party total votes, which sadly enough, was the majority (a little over 20%).

    I have little faith in Ukraine, but let us not assume that the whole nation is anti Russian.  I imagine if Russia just walked in Ukraine, there would be a massive partisan group easily willing to work with Russia.  Most are simply afraid.

    If the US would try to be successful in doing such an attempt of balkanization of Russia, they would have tried it in the 90's when Russia had no money. They wont be able to. The other issue is that like I mentioned, Russians all over Russia view themselves as Russian, and there hasn't been any push for self identity amongst them as well, it is simple really. And let us be real here, now that Russia is far richer than they were before, and as well, their government has been pushing hard against foreign NGO's and dealing with them properly, it will be nearly impossible for them. In Ukraine, for such a long time, there was constantly anti Russian, pro Ukrainian and Polish sentiment, even before soviet union. Yugoslavia is another matter too since we all know they pitted one another against each other using the "history" against each other. It would defiantly be hard to use history against these regions in Russia as it was Russians who moved into these regions hundreds of years ago, and pretty much outnumber the local populations, not to mention interracial marriages (Shugoi is an example).
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    Post  medo Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:17 am

    ExBeobachter1987 wrote:Ukrainian were once Russians and they did turn against Russia.
    It is not impossible to turn the present-day Russians against each other.

    Not really. Russian part of Ukraine, which was in history known as Malorussia is fighting against Ukraine for their connections with Russia. The western part of Ukraine, which hate Russia was never part of Russia but part of Poland. If you listen them, you will find out, that their Ukrainian language have a lot of Polish words. There is not only Russia-Poland division, but also religion division as Russian part is Orthodox christian and Polish part is more Catholic christian.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:18 pm

    Werewolf wrote:We've seen what just 23 years can do, ukrainians today believe they are not russians but an own ethnicity with the name "At-boarder-living" and kill their own people on behalf of zionazis and americans while screaming suicidal phrases "Death to russians".

    I actually wish someone would do that to US so they can have decade long civil war of their own and leave rest of the world alone, propsering and thriving.

    The problem is that the West can protect itself against outside interventions like this. It is virtually impossible for any outside power to stage a civil war in countries like Germany, France, Britain, UK, Canada, Australia or the United States. These countries know how to take care of themselves. And they know how to stage coups, civil wars and instability in other countries that do not belong to the Western club. They are strong and the rest of the world is weak. Ukraine is the latest example of that. The Eastern Slavs let themselves to be fooled into this madness by the outsiders. Russians are spilling the blood of other Russians. The Eastern Slavs let their guard down after 1991 and the West immediately made their move with their NGO's and other tools. And the Eastern Slavs paid the price. Never let your guard down, never.

    The only hope for the rest of the world is that some kind of a major natural disaster happens in the Western hemisphere (like a big meteor hitting the northern part of Atlantic Ocean or a major eruption in Yellowstone). Otherwise the rest of the world is too weak to take down the West, and even too weak to protect itself against the West. Russia is a perfect example of it. Russia, under Putin, spent 15 years to feed a monster populated by other Russians (Ukraine) that the West programmed with its NGO's to attack Russia. Russia did nothing to stop this. Absolutely nothing. Russia trusted that government-level relations are enough and completely ignored the ground roots level work (NGO's, training pro-Russian militias etc.) that SHOULD have been done in Ukraine immediately after the breakup of the Soviet Union. Russia let its guard down after 1991 and thus lost Ukraine.
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    Post  George1 Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:52 am

    Poland plans to demolish statue of Soviet general Chernyakhovsky
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    Post  Werewolf Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:58 am

    George1 wrote:Poland plans to demolish statue of Soviet general Chernyakhovsky

    Good now take your preset path by the West and place a Bandera statue, show your ancestors your good will and your respect...
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:16 pm

    AM I the only one that wonders how according to official international statistics average Russian IQ is a good 2 points lower than american and not even top 20 in the world, even when most average russians clearly are more enlightened
    and educated than the average american, njot to mention Russia being one of the world leaders in skilled human resources and technology?

    Are international testing accosiations like PESA being controled by the western empire?
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    Post  higurashihougi Thu Jul 23, 2015 5:52 am

    Okay, now British Branwashing Company is blabbering about "slave labour" in Russia...

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33614982?SThisFB

    I don't know whether BBC do pay equal attention to mistreated foreign housemaids and workers in U.S., Europe, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Hong Kong...
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    Post  sepheronx Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:33 am

    higurashihougi wrote:Okay, now British Branwashing Company is blabbering about "slave labour" in Russia...

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-33614982?SThisFB

    I don't know whether BBC do pay equal attention to mistreated foreign housemaids and workers in U.S., Europe, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Hong Kong...

    What BBC is failing to state is that North Korea is renting land in Russia for harvesting, and it is North Koreans working that land. They are visitors and they live on compounds similar to how foreigners live in compounds in United Arab Emirate and such, that accommodate their life style. In the end, it is actually up to the North Koreans to pay their people more to work that land, not Russia. Since Russia is simply renting it out.
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    Post  George1 Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:51 pm

    Polish Media Explains Country's Rating as Most Russophobic Nation on Earth

    Commenting on the results of global polling by the Pew Research Center, which found Poland to be the most Russophobic nation in the world, Polish news site Wirtualna Polska attempted to offer an explanation.

    In an article for online newspaper Wirtualna Polska entitled 'Why Do Poles Hate Russians More Than Anybody?', columnist Amanda Siwek recalled Pew's findings, which showed that 80 percent of Poles have an antagonistic view of Russia, compared with just 15 percent "who continue to treat our eastern neighbor with sympathy."

    For her part, the Siwek attributed growing Russophobia among Poles to the heightening of geopolitical tensions between the two countries. The journalist cited the findings of the Polish Center for Public Opinion Research (CBOS), which noted that back in 1993, 'only' 56 percent of Poles had a negative view of Russia.

    Siwek added that these figures have remained relatively consistent over the decades, before worsening dramatically in the past year or so. Siwek suggested that Russia's 'aggression' in the Ukraine crisis, together with Poles' "fears of being attacked by Russia" were the root causes of the uptick in Poles' animosity toward Russia.

    Digging into the historical roots of Polish animosity toward Russia, Siwek cited Professor Henryk Domański of the Polish Academy of Sciences, who explained that Polish hostility toward Russia is partly the result of "the history [between the two countries] –of all those defeats and misfortunes which Russia had caused us over the course of many centuries. Under Russian rule, we struggled with economic backwardness for many years. Poles remember this perfectly well, and have carried this attitude of Russia being at fault over the course of many years."

    Moreover, Domański explained that "Poles continue to believe that our neighbor is on another, lower cultural level."

    Noting that Poles' antagonism toward Putin is even higher than it is toward Russia, with the Russian president sitting at an 87 percent 'no confidence' rating, Siwek went on to cite University of Warsaw Institute of International Relations Professor Maciej Raś, who noted that "Poland is now indeed gripped by anti-Putin sentiment."

    Raś suggested that Poles "negative attitudes to Putin are carried over to a negative attitude toward the [Russian] state and, to a lesser extent, toward the Russian population. This approach stems from the fact that Russian society largely supports Putin's actions, particularly in the context of his rivalry with the West. If Russians had treated him critically or at least neutrally, the sentiment of the Poles [toward Russians] would have been different."

    Raś noted that Poles dislike Putin for several reasons. "First and foremost, it is because he has turned Russia on a course that is very different from the Western model of development, both internally and in international politics. We are talking here about the ubiquitous corruption of Russia's economic model. Moreover, Putin has made it clear that Russia will implement its own interests, even if it is in spite of the West, including Poland."

    Ultimately, Raś told Wirtualna Polska that "in the past as well, Poles have had a negative opinion toward the leaders of Russia and the USSR. This was so under the tsars, under the Soviet general secretaries, and has remained so under Putin."

    In the final analysis, in contrast to the 1990s and 2000s, when Polish politicians and society seemed to be somewhat ashamed of being labeled Europe's last Russophobes, today the country's media and political environment seemed determined not only to show pride in that status, but even to export it abroad, within the European Union and even to Russia itself.

    Read more: http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150813/1025723976/poland-russia-russophobia-relations.html#ixzz3ij5JbxTB
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    Post  higurashihougi Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:02 am

    Poles continue to believe that our neighbor is on another, lower cultural level

    Ignorant a**hole.

    By which standard they can say the center of Eastern European technology and industry and the direct successor of Kyivian Rus as being lower cultural level ?

    If Russians had treated him critically or at least neutrally, the sentiment of the Poles [toward Russians] would have been different.

    Craps.

    Putin is the among the ones who revitalize Russian economy, military power and international position. How the hell Russian can treat him different ?

    First and foremost, it is because he has turned Russia on a course that is very different from the Western model of development, both internally and in international politics. We are talking here about the ubiquitous corruption of Russia's economic model.

    What is Western model and corruption of what ?

    Seems like corrupted Russian model still supplies titanium parts, metal sheets, space rocket engine, oil drilling technologies and other high-tech products to the civilized West.

    Moreover, Putin has made it clear that Russia will implement its own interests, even if it is in spite of the West, including Poland.

    These ignorant sons of a ***** never take a serious look at the Middle East, Granada, Panama, Nicaragua, Cuba, Vietnam...

    In the final analysis, in contrast to the 1990s and 2000s, when Polish politicians and society seemed to be somewhat ashamed of being labeled Europe's last Russophobes, today the country's media and political environment seemed determined not only to show pride in that status, but even to export it abroad, within the European Union and even to Russia itself.

    Ignorant pieces of trash show pride in expressing their ignorance.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:58 pm

    The amusing thing is that I know a few Brits and they have a very low opinion of Polish people.

    Treat em mean to keep em keen...

    Poles hate Russians and love westerners, westerners don't like Poles much and hate Russians. With the recent polls showing Russians seeing through the western BS perhaps will come to hate westerners too and everyone can hate together.


    Sad thing is that Russia could have been a strong western ally... problem is that the west will not tolerate a strong ally... only strong enemies and subservient allies.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Fri Aug 14, 2015 2:56 pm

    I find it kind of hard to believe poles, which are generally culturally and even historically(WW2 liberation) closer to russia are more russophobic than the colmpletely antagonistic and culturally alien balts and nordics.
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:19 pm

    I have a polish college at work he rants constantly and insults his fellow poles as drunk uneducated waste of lifes while cheering for everything "western". The anti-slavism in Poland is existing since over a century and poles are affected by that to great degree that can be seen often enough and not just some minority Liberalistic orientated fools but across political spectrum that not just are at a degree to deny that they are slavic people but right out hate being slavic.

    What boggles me is that germany is counted as "Western" while from historical culture, political history and cooperation and traditions were germany had its best and most prosperous times it was leaning towards itself with good economical and trade relationships to russia. Germany is central europe and i do not affiliate it with the West, except of the current state where the country was purposely Americanized to create the perception that they are our friends and allies, while fact is they are occupying us.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:57 pm

    Germany is western... It's value system is derived as in rest of Europe, from Christianity and Enlightenment philosophy and it's history followed a similar pattern of development as in France or England - first tribal states, then feudalism followed by emergence of administrative monarchies, then unification with transition to constitutional monarchy and later to democracy.

    The best period in German history is the Imperial Era from 1871 to 1914. Only the period of Bismarck was marked with good relations with Russia.
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    Post  ExBeobachter1987 Fri Aug 14, 2015 7:59 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:I find it kind of hard to believe poles, which are generally culturally and even historically(WW2 liberation) closer to russia are more russophobic than the colmpletely antagonistic and culturally alien balts and nordics.

    Poland is an old rival of Russia. The others are Sweden and Turkey.

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