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    Post  Big_Gazza on Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:18 am

    PhSt wrote:
    (falsely attributed to Stalin).

    NATO propagandists are good at concocting fairytales


    Actually they are only good at PR and convincing ignorant idiots to buy into their nonsensical bullshit. Their narratives are usually utter garbage, and they rely on the ignorance of the dumbed down populations, and slavish amplication of their message (and suppression of alternative views) by the Corporate-controlled elite-owned MSM.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:32 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    PhSt wrote:
    (falsely attributed to Stalin).

    NATO propagandists are good at concocting fairytales


    Actually they are only good at PR and convincing ignorant idiots to buy into their nonsensical bullshit.  Their narratives are usually utter garbage, and they rely on the ignorance of the dumbed down populations, and slavish amplication of their message (and suppression of alternative views) by the Corporate-controlled elite-owned MSM.

    There was some analysis of this issue from my favourite PolitRussia youtube channel Laughing

    The positive coverage of Russia in western media is at the 2% level and mostly driven by Italy where it is 13%. In the USA it is 0.2%.
    And the positive coverage is based on old time cultural aspects and not on the modern situation (e.g. massive economic revival seen
    in Russia under Putin). Pure cheesy propaganda focused on demonization of Putin like some cartoon character is the norm. In
    terms of neutral coverage France is the leader in this regard. The French do not have the rabid hate for Russia that the Anglos do.

    The result of the cheesy western anti-Russian propaganda is that some US member of Congress posted a picture of the Pyotr Veliky
    cruiser on his website thinking it was an American ship. The Pavlovian conditioning from the western fake stream media propaganda
    spew meant that if he saw what looked like an impressive naval ship, then it must be American. It could not possibly be Russian
    (or even Chinese). This is not the only example where the MSM conditioning results in reflex thinking that is simply absurd.

    The western elites are so smart that they are stupid. It is clear that they drink of their own koolaid. Reality does not bend over
    for idiocy and always crushes myths and delusions when they are tested. Such as in wartime.

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:22 pm

    BTW

    Trip down memory lane, i guess.

    Thanks for injecting facts into the discussion... memory is not ideal... certainly mine anyway... I seem to remember the 7.5 in loans vs 15 in investment coming from an RT episode about the situation and explaining why an anti Russian Ukrainian leader would be picking box number Russia when they should be picking box number EU (Ewwww..).

    Instead of admitting they are wrong most people have a double-down reflex.

    You could call it the Frozen effect... when a character is introduced as being a bad guy it is really hard for the audience to accept later in the film when they turn out to actually be the good guy and the good guy turns out to be the bad guy.

    That would mean the western media was telling you lies and they can never admit to that, so turning out to actually be the good guy is never revealed... it is a secret... and they pile on other lies on top of that to confirm the original hypothesis... putin has billions in offshore accounts... but then if he did then why doesn't the all powerful US that controls all off shore banks and could destroy any that don't comply with its demands overnight not just freeze and then seize those funds to pay for the damage the all powerful Putin inflicts... like all the people he poisons and all the countries he invades and all the billionaires he wants to put in prison for crimes...

    NATO propagandists are good at concocting fairytales

    And they have been doing it for centuries... a good example is Russian Roulette.... a British invention from a British novel. Probably less offensive than Polish Roulette though. Russian Roulette is supposedly where you take an unloaded revolver and load one live round and spin the cylinder and put the gun to your own head and pull the trigger. They say a 1 in 6 chance of getting killed... but a couple of problems... first the standard Russian revolver is the Nagant revolver which has 7 chambers so it is actually a 1 in 7 chance of getting shot... a second problem is that the cylinders of revolvers don't spin like roulette wheels, and thirdly Russians don't have any such tradition... it is made up. Polish roulette is probably more offensive because it is played with an automatic pistol... you take the 15 shot empty magazine and you only put one round into it... insert the mag and rack the slide once and put it to your head and pull the trigger... no need to work out the chances of getting killed there if you think about it properly... which is why it is so offensive and derogatory to Poles...

    Their narratives are usually utter garbage, and they rely on the ignorance of the dumbed down populations, and slavish amplication of their message (and suppression of alternative views) by the Corporate-controlled elite-owned MSM.

    Very true, which also relies on blocking out alternative news sources too... and with the internet they are failing.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:11 am

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-cnn-host-compares-trumps-presidency-nazi-purge-jews

    CNN pulling its usual hysterical smear. Back in 1999 it was comparing Albanians leaving Kosovo on passenger trains
    into FYROM (Macedonia) with Jews being sent to death camps in cattle cars.

    Escaping to safety in safety = Going to your death in horrible conditions.

    Anyone who believes whatever narrative CNN is peddling is a moron.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:21 am

    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-cnn-host-compares-trumps-presidency-nazi-purge-jews

    CNN pulling its usual hysterical smear.   Back in 1999 it was comparing Albanians leaving Kosovo on passenger trains
    into FYROM (Macedonia) with Jews being sent to death camps in cattle cars.

    Escaping to safety in safety = Going to your death in horrible conditions.

    Anyone who believes whatever narrative CNN is peddling is a moron.  


    When someone posts anything about CNN, I make sure to post this. Wink
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    Post  kvs on Mon Nov 16, 2020 4:36 pm



    China has banned a "teacher" in Hong Kong from ever teaching again or stepping foot on school grounds.   This maggot
    was teaching children that the Opium Wars was really a generous effort by the British to help China.   In fact, the wars
    were due to China trying to ban imports of opium from the British colony India into China. The opium trade was a great
    racket for the British but cost the lives of millions of people both in India and China. In the case of India, opium production
    led to removal of vital farmland from supplying food which resulted in famines.

    The Hong Kong liberasts are now shrieking with indignation about "freedom of speech".    No you shit flies, freed of speech
    and expression does not justify lying about history.   Let this maggot go troll some internet fora with his BS instead of using
    his authority to abuse children.    And brainwashing is abuse.  

    We see yet again how those who claim to have a certain set of values never live by them and simply use this claim
    as a bludgeon to advance some rotten political agenda.   If the Hong Kong liberasts love the UK so much, then they
    should just bugger on off there.

    The video discusses how China is properly treating revisionist worms.   Russia needs to start acting against similar
    scum operating in Russia.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:25 pm

    lol1 Day by day they're getting more and more desperate, they went as far as printing the United Russia Party logo on bricks of cocaine to insinuate that VVP's oversees a coke trafficking operation! Rolling Eyes

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    This was seized at customs in Ghent, Belgium. The Belgian Wafflers aren't fooling anyone, the cocaine stash was from those vegetable Brussels Sprout UrinePeon politicians, and while were at it let's talk about the Opium poppy cultivation in Afghanistan.

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    Post  kvs on Mon Nov 16, 2020 9:31 pm

    The west is transforming into an indiocracy so moronic propaganda stunts like Navalny and this coke is effective and keeping
    the sheeple conned. Fuck'em.

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    Post  LMFS on Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:51 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:lol1 Day by day they're getting more and more desperate, they went as far as printing the United Russia Party logo on bricks of cocaine to insinuate that VVP's oversees a coke trafficking operation! Rolling Eyes

    WTF.... was Putin's ID also found there? I run out of words gentlemen Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:52 am

    They have sent samples to US and German and Dutch labs... they wont be able to confirm it is Putins devils dandruff until they have detected particles of novachok... or residue thereof. Twisted Evil
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    Post  kvs on Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:31 am

    GarryB wrote:They have sent samples to US and German and Dutch labs... they wont be able to confirm it is Putins devils dandruff until they have detected particles of novachok... or residue thereof.  Twisted Evil

    I would not be surprised if they "found" traces of novichoke in this studio prop.

    Everyone knows that summing up shit flinging accusations makes them more credible.

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    Post  Sujoy on Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:57 am

    This is all part of the plan to install Deep State heads in every country, even the "so called" democratic countries. The process is complete in Europe, Africa and Middle East. And now countries like India, Brazil are being targeted. Putin is also a pawn in the hands of these Western Deep state organizations.

    The West makes baseless allegations against Putin and Russia to divert the attention of gullible people at home from the antics of the Deep State to a foreign country.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:16 pm

    Sujoy wrote:This is all part of the plan to install Deep State heads in every country, even the "so called" democratic countries. The process is complete in Europe, Africa and Middle East. And now countries like India, Brazil are  being targeted.  Putin is also a pawn in the hands of these Western Deep state organizations.

    The West makes baseless allegations against Putin and Russia to divert the attention of gullible people at home from the antics of the Deep State to a foreign country.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:59 pm

    This should put a smile on GarryB's face! Very Happy

    For 15 Years Sweden Thought Enemy Submarines Were Invading Its Territory. It Turned Out To Be Herring Farts

    So it wasn't Ebil Russkie's after all? Wink

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    Post  kvs on Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:10 pm



    The Belorussian 5th column "opposition" and its NATzO sponsors have found themselves a martyr to latch on.

    Roman Bondarenko (a Ukrainian name) went to stop removal of red and white decorations in a plaza popular with
    demonstrators by unknown people, possibly regime agents. After a few verbal exchanges he got shoved and fell
    hard enough to seriously injure his head, which lead to his death. Of course now we have full justification for a NATzO
    takeover. Because no protestor or non-protestor ever dies in NATzO. Never, ever.

    Whatever the details of this case, they are not any justification when it comes to the 5th column's agenda to
    install a NATzO occupational regime. Russia would like to see Luka the retard go. His regime is a leech that
    is trying to play NATzO off against Russia. The death of some martyr is no basis for a very specific type
    of regime change. It just means that Luka has to go. To be replaced by a leadership that serves the Belorussian
    majority and not the 5th column minority.

    People are such sheep. Your brains are to make logical inferences from information inputs so that you can survive.
    They are not supposed to be short circuited by emotional null think. We see a type of natural selection in action where
    the low IQ bleeding heart sheeple cannot properly attribute fault and are throwing themselves blindly into the hands
    of malicious foreign sponsored elements enabling them to install an occupation regime. These bleeding heart retards
    will all be eating shit like the Ukrs, but they will have manged to spasm over some death with non sequitur BS.


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    Post  kvs on Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:19 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:This should put a smile on GarryB's face! Very Happy

    For 15 Years Sweden Thought Enemy Submarines Were Invading Its Territory. It Turned Out To Be Herring Farts

    So it wasn't Ebil Russkie's after all? Wink

    It was an IQ test and Sweden failed. Not surprising considering that it is a PC totalitarian toilet that succors ISIS terrorists, has huge no go
    zones run by jihadis, abducts children from parents who do not like the tranny promoting school curriculum, and arrests social media posters
    who post objective information because they supposedly hurt some designated precious minority's feelings.

    In the article we have the researcher going on his quest to find the truth after realizing that the sounds supposedly made by Russian
    submarines are nothing of the sort. Clearly all those Swedish naval experts and military did not have the mental capacity to even
    make this basic observation. If some of them did, then they kept their mouths shut since they would have been fired or even
    imprisoned.




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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:28 pm

    "The CIA runs the biggest news service in the world with a budget
    larger than those of all the major wire services put together."
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    Post  nomadski on Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:48 pm

    The information war.  During the Iranian revolution ,  I remember  that  certain  socialist  newspapers  were  targeted.  This was done by  printing  fake copies  of said newspapers in Persian.  The content was cleverly changed ,  with the aim of sowing  division among the revolutionary camp. To know fake from true,  you had to almost know the author. This must have needed large resources. In the days before digital  batch printing. You needed a printing press. Where was this printing press? It must have needed an infrastructure inside Iran. The attack against the traditional socialists in Iran, was sudden and brutal and well organised. The reactionary right wing, were quick to organise their ranks, after the fall of the Shah. The list of SAVAK members, were never published. Never underestimate the right wing. Did they have outside help, the CIA?
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    Post  kvs on Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:48 pm

    nomadski wrote:The information war.  During the Iranian revolution ,  I remember  that  certain  socialist  newspapers  were  targeted.  This was done by  printing  fake copies  of said newspapers in Persian.  The content was cleverly changed ,  with the aim of sowing  division among the revolutionary camp. To know fake from true,  you had to almost know the author. This must have needed large resources. In the days before digital  batch printing. You needed a printing press. Where was this printing press? It must have needed an infrastructure inside Iran. The attack against the traditional socialists in Iran, was sudden and brutal and well organised. The reactionary right wing, were quick to organise their ranks, after the fall of the Shah. The list of SAVAK members, were never published. Never underestimate the right wing. Did they have outside help, the CIA?

    You are touching on a very important point. People have this cartoon view of regime change and geopolitical actions. Even if the
    Shah was a US stooge that does not mean he was the only one. You can bet your last coin that the USA has contingency plans
    and actual deployed human resources to enact them if one of their quislings is about to fall. You can see this in Armenia and Georgia
    where the fall of some clown does not mean restoration of non-bootlick government. The Americans must have tried to use the Iranian
    right to try to stage manage the fall of the Shah but did not succeed.

    It is common for there not to be a total purge of the previous regime elements in any revolution or turnover. So the Iranian government
    post 1979 must have had US assets trying to worm their way from the inside. And the new rulers often try to use assets of the previous
    regime to gain and retain power. So I am not surprised that SAVAK members would remain secret, since the new order was using them.
    As you can see this creates a grey zone where US assets are able to operate inside Iran post 1979.

    Belorus is already infested with NATzO assets who will try to engineer the downfall of Lukashenko. The idiot let them gain this
    foothold by really thinking he was some serious dictator and not a clown. Ukraine is an even better example of NATzO moving
    all of its ducks into place for a total turnover.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:43 am

    Putin is also a pawn in the hands of these Western Deep state organizations.

    The west dreams of Putin being their pawn... the reality is that the opposite is almost true, their inept attempts to try to limit and control him actually make him much more powerful and dangerous to their positions because he appears to be competent in his role of looking after the interests of Russia and Russians, whereas idiots in any western country you care to name repeatedly go against the interests of their domestic populations because uncle sam asks and must be obeyed.

    Deep State is just code for people with money and therefore influence. It is not really an organised thing... that is why the west so often gets things so wrong.

    So it wasn't Ebil Russkie's after all?

    Herring farts is the cover story... sometimes it was Soviet subs like the famous Whiskey on the Rocks, but the vast majority of the time it was a HATO sub and it was eventually allowed to escape when it was realised it was supposed to be a friendly sub invading their territorial waters...

    You could tell because the squeals of delight of the dog in the chase for the fox rapidly turned into the silence and tail between the legs of a dog thinking it was going to rip a small fox to pieces but cornering the animal it was chasing to find it is a full grown bear ... the dog stops barking and remembers it needs to be somewhere else very urgently...

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    Post  kvs on Thu Nov 19, 2020 10:18 pm

    They always pull some dossier out of their anus to justify this or that. As with the Steele dossier. A ridiculous Obama/CIA/MI6
    POS that was the basis of the illegally obtained FISA warrants to start the Russia meddling witch hunt in the USA. Illegal because
    supposedly independent MSM reports citing this trash document were used as evidence of objective facts warranting an investigation.
    This is the vaunted western "freedom". Get some journalist hacks to read a concocted dossier and then you're off to the races.
    Due process? What due process...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:20 pm

    If you ever wondered why most US/UK media coverage of Russia is garbage, take a look at this job advert from
    @nytimes
    . Pretty clear that any applicants who would like to cover Russia objectively & fairly won't be considered.

    And that's partially why things are as they are...
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