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    Post  higurashihougi on Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:58 pm

    kvs wrote:Your "philosophy" is what helped the 2013/14 Madian coup in Ukraine to succeed.    A fringe lunatic rent-a-crowd is
    a legitimate target.   If Yanukovich had sent in the army to put down the 10,000 armed militants that took over the Maidan
    protest in early 2014, the coup would likely have failed.   But he chose to listen to advice like yours from the EU not to
    touch the "protestors".

    Vandals who are brazenly breaking the law are not "protestors".   So all this bleeding heart moralizing is BS.

    BTW, the Russian police are already treating these thugs with kid gloves.  So don't worry, they are not cracking skulls.
    But I dare you to show any information space benefit from this.    No matter how soft the treatment the pro-NATO vandals
    get, Russian authorities are always painted as if they are gassing children.

    I did not say that Russian authorities should do nothing. But the harshest methods are reserved for the unredeemable, the ringleaders, the ones who owed too much blood debt to be spared. And also the masterminds inside and outside of Russia who funded all these mess. Others can be dealt with a softer manner. Soft treatment used in suitable places and times is a mean to divide and fragment the enemy forces.

    Being ignorant is a sin but that does not means capital punishment or skull cracking.

    In my country there were even harder times, especially in border regions where we had to deal with armed bandits, I say armed bandits, not unorganized mobs. But both soft and hard methods were utilized in tandem, because among the followers of the enemy, many of them were just being fooled, being ignorant, and were redeemable. We did not just simply "cracking skulls" in these cases. We fought the bandits with guns and bayonets but we also managed to use "soft" methods in many cases, and many of the bandit followers voluntarily laid down arms, some of them even supported the authorities against their former masters.

    I don't care about what NATO said. What I said is at the end of the day this is the struggle to take the people, not to kill the people. Just like the game of Othello.

    So that is the reason why in the previous post I said rise the awareness of the public, a knowledgeable public is less susceptible to Western propaganda because they know enough to see that NATO MSM are liars. Also Russian government must deal with the internal enemies, the corrupted individuals. The corrupted officers will betrayed Russia just like the ones who betrayed the USSR in 198x.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:15 am

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-04/very-dangerous-situation-hong-kong-government-issues-warning-protests-become

    Give them an inch and they will take a mile. Such sayings reflect bitter historical experience. China is going to regret letting these
    5th column maggots maintain their protest for so long. Escalation of violence prevention should be job 1 for any police force.
    Coverage by foreign propagandists cannot be allowed to set policy.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 05, 2019 12:53 pm

    They need to be sophisticated... there will be certain people who escalate things in a protest situation and then walk away afterwards... it is these agitators that need to be arrested and waterboarded... it is OK because the US recognises it is not torture... they have said so... and three months of isolation is also OK... ask Maria Butina, hell being put in prison without charge is fine too... ask those in Guantanimo... if anyone asks about them, say it is a national security situation and you are unable to talk about it... I am sure America will understand.
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    Post  higurashihougi on Wed Aug 07, 2019 5:48 am

    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-04/very-dangerous-situation-hong-kong-government-issues-warning-protests-become

    Give them an inch and they will take a mile.   Such sayings reflect bitter historical experience.   China is going to regret letting these
    5th column maggots maintain their protest for so long.    Escalation of violence prevention should be job 1 for any police force.
    Coverage by foreign propagandists cannot be allowed to set policy.

    When the protest movement is reactionary by nature and does not has grassroot support, it will cause backlash from the local population, such as these images, when the local Hongkongers themselves did the crackskulling themselves without waiting police.

    https://www.facebook.com/scmp/videos/444580413054363/

    Such protests may be strong initially because they exploit the upset of the population in the issues which are largely irrelevant to their aims. In such cases the authorities simply wear down the protest support by letting the protest show its true color. The authorities do not want to antagonize the whole population, instead they will let the population realize that protesters are harmful.

    In my country there was a protest initiated by reactionary Catholic clerics... and the protest was successfully dealt with thanks to the huge support from the public when they realized the true color of the protest.

    I would like to say it again and again that rise the awareness of the public and work together with the population to fix the issues in the society. The people know our cause is good and they will support us.
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    Post  Regular on Wed Aug 07, 2019 3:01 pm

    kvs wrote:
    higurashihougi wrote:I agree with Regular that Russian authorities need not and should not use extreme methods such as "cracking skull" or similar things.

    I don't think Russian protesters fall to the point of unredeemable and I don't think protests in Russia reach the level of Maidan.

    The point here is eliminating the sources feeding these protests. Western propaganda, foreign funds, the masterminds inside and outside of Russia who want to brainwash people for their benefits.

    And of course, Russian authorities should clean up corruptions inside them and improve awareness of Russian people, so that Russian people become less and less susceptible to Western propaganda.

    Your "philosophy" is what helped the 2013/14 Madian coup in Ukraine to succeed.    A fringe lunatic rent-a-crowd is
    a legitimate target.   If Yanukovich had sent in the army to put down the 10,000 armed militants that took over the Maidan
    protest in early 2014, the coup would likely have failed.   But he chose to listen to advice like yours from the EU not to
    touch the "protestors".

    Vandals who are brazenly breaking the law are not "protestors".   So all this bleeding heart moralizing is BS.

    BTW, the Russian police are already treating these thugs with kid gloves.  So don't worry, they are not cracking skulls.
    But I dare you to show any information space benefit from this.    No matter how soft the treatment the pro-NATO vandals
    get, Russian authorities are always painted as if they are gassing children.


    You are drawing comparison to sick nation that had Orange revolution and Maidan to Russians. Ukrainians had change of heart more than twice. They also have too much time on their hands too.
    Do you know how busy are Russians in Moscow or Piter - only total economic collapse would take workaholics out to streets. But then I am pretty sure you would support them as they would have genuine reason to be there.

    Russians are more like Baltic people with their statism.
    All russian protest are non violent and more tolerant.
    Say whatever about Navalny gang, they are 100x better than Azov and various bandera fanatics. Check the pictures- Do you think these 60 kg manlet faggots and violet haired femoids can shake foundations of Russia?

    There are no large neo-nazi gangs and the ones that exist have nothing to do with meddling in politics and more with larping. There are no prominent separatist movements. There are no loose cannons. There are almost no foreign influence. There are less corruption and rule of law still exists.

    Hence why no one in Russia cares about Russian opposition and their antics and this is why police is very soft on them as they have harsh measures if needed. Opposition also knows that they can't go overboard as well as russian public will stop tolerating it. Now opposition members get paid by western NGOs and the money spent on them goes into abyss.


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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:05 pm

    Regular wrote:Say whatever about Navalny gang, they are 100x better than Azov and various bandera fanatics. Check the pictures-  Do you think these 60 kg manlet faggots and violet haired femoids can shake foundations of Russia?

    Yup and they'll keep attracting more weirdos.
    Do they really think that after the disaster of their policies in the 90s, that they can ever attract the average working man or woman, and with the same tired old slogans and rhetoric?

    The only protest movement in Russia worth going to is an all-people movement that can tackle the multiple regressions in our system and society, and promise the right solutions for them.
    It should not call for revolution either; simply for progress.
    To be frank, such a movement just does not exist.

    I spend a lot of time defending Russia. But the caveat is against who. I'm not defending it from its own people, and would never do that. I'm defending it in the sense of anti-imperialism, and Moscow's middle class hipsters that have decided that they don't have enough priveleges in society - but at the same time fail to propose anything original whatsoever; beyond service to American/European capital and war-aims as Poland, the Ukraine and Yeltsin's Russia had subordinated themselves to.
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    Post  andalusia on Fri Aug 09, 2019 10:33 am

    kvs wrote:The credulity of NATO saps is something to behold.   Consider the photo above purporting to show Moon buggy tracks.  Note anything
    peculiar about this "proof"?  That's right, the inconsistent resolution.  The only features that show details less than a foot in
    size are the alleged Moon buggy tracks and associated debris.  The rest of the field of view is obviously much coarser resolution.
    This photo is doctored BS.  BTW, photos are no longer considered hard evidence in courts exactly due to such abuses.  The video
    "evidence" of the Moon buggy rides, which is supposed to be more solid, is obviously fake as well since it violates the behaviour
    of dust and vehicle motion in a 1/6 Earth's gravity environment.   The Moon Buggy never jumps higher than 6 inches.  It should have
    routinely bounced higher than 1 foot (2 inches on Earth).  A 4 inch hop on Earth is a 2 foot hop on the Moon.

    Note the roughness of the Moon's surface in the Moon buggy video.  In particular the spatial scale and compare to the doctored
    photo trotted out by the racist troll from "France".  If the photo had a 6 inch resolution you would see these bumps.  There is
    no wind on the Moon to smooth out meteor impact debris.  There are all sorts of sharp gradients of dust deposition from the tens
    of thousands of meteor impacts of various sizes.   This includes rocks that are 1 foot and 2 feet in diameter scattered all over
    the place.  Yet you see no such details in the background, you see only the alleged disturbance by the US astronauts.  

    BTW, to all the experts here: since when are we able to make photographs through the atmosphere with resolutions of 12 inches
    and better?  If we can photograph the Moon's surface with such detail, then we should have spy satellites produce images
    with such resolution as well.   If you are going to invoke the telescope argument and how we observe distant objects.  None
    of that involves high resolution surface imaging.  Most astrophysics is about measuring emission spectra.  In case of
    adaptive optics, the resolution effect would be uniform across the image and not just in the desired parts.  


    This is a good article: https://donaldjeffries.wordpress.com/2019/07/18/the-greatest-hoax-of-all/
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    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 10, 2019 3:36 pm

    So the new anti-Russian ploy by NATO is radiation leaks. Supposedly there was a leak of radioactive Ruthenium last fall from Russia.
    Now we have the BS about "radiation spike" from a rocket engine test explosion. The purpose of the hysteria, based on the
    decades long conditioning of western sheeple to fear all things nuclear, is to rile western lemmings into anti-Russian fervour. This
    is pure war propaganda.

    The Ruthenium leak smells since it is not associated with anything. It is more than likely that it was staged by NATO itself by
    dispatching an infiltrator to release some isotope and then have the west make a stink about it. As with Polonium and Litvinenko
    we have the same fetish for exotics. Releasing some mundane isotope would open all sorts of questions about its source.
    Using something more unique allows for a "clearer" attribution of "guilt".

    As for the rocket engine explosion "radiation spike", that is an example of lying by omission. The clowns posting information about
    some radiation spike do not even stop to consider its very low magnitude and are likely engaged in a misinformation campaign.
    I can set a Geiger counter to its lowest range and walk around town and pick up spikes of radiation too. Without context some
    "spike" on a Geiger counter means precisely f*ck all.

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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Aug 10, 2019 4:05 pm

    kvs wrote:So the new anti-Russian ploy by NATO is radiation leaks.   Supposedly there was a leak of radioactive Ruthenium last fall from Russia.
    Now we have the BS about "radiation spike" from a rocket engine test explosion.    The purpose of the hysteria, based on the
    decades long conditioning of western sheeple to fear all things nuclear, is to rile western lemmings into anti-Russian fervour.  This
    is pure war propaganda.  

    The Ruthenium leak smells since it is not associated with anything.   It is more than likely that it was staged by NATO itself by
    dispatching an infiltrator to release some isotope and then have the west make a stink about it.    As with Polonium and Litvinenko
    we have the same fetish for exotics.   Releasing some mundane isotope would open all sorts of questions about its source.  
    Using something more unique allows for a "clearer" attribution of "guilt".

    As for the rocket engine explosion "radiation spike", that is an example of lying by omission.   The clowns posting information about
    some radiation spike do not even stop to consider its very low magnitude and are likely engaged in a misinformation campaign.
    I can set a Geiger counter to its lowest range and walk around town and pick up spikes of radiation too.   Without context some
    "spike" on a Geiger counter means precisely f*ck all.


    Well no if 5 Rosatom employees died (Russia's state nuclear corporation) and there was a radiation spike reported by the Russian authorities themselves; then they must have been testing something nuclear.

    Russian authorities have indicated that it was a liquid-fueled anti-ship missile currently in service.

    We know of the recently announced plans to increase the speed of the Onyx anti-ship missiles to near hypersonic.

    So it looks like they were trying to do that with some kind of nuclear thermal source ramjet/scramjet propulsion system. Which gives a clue as to the technology used for the Zirkon as well.

    I've posted this vid before. In Russian only unfortunately:

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    Post  kvs on Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:48 pm

    https://www.rt.com/usa/466241-epstein-suicide-blame-russia/

    When an American gets diarrhea it must be Russia's fault...

    NATO is populated by genuine imbeciles.


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    Post  kvs on Sun Aug 11, 2019 12:02 am



    Retard parade.

    Some Banderastan ex-pat claims that Russian sounds like Klingon. To the average non-Slav, actually both
    Ukrainian and Russia sound very similar. For obvious reasons.

    Little whorelet pandering to American morons.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Aug 11, 2019 8:08 am

    They mentioned an isotope as being part of the fuel being used, which probably relates to the radiation they are worried about.

    The Zircon uses very high energy fuel and testing it on the Onyx would be risky because its fuel system was not designed for the fuel being used in Zircon.

    I suspect this is Zircon high energy fuel being tested in an Onyx and the fuel system failing violently... that would be loading the fuel, not actually launching the missile when all the people would be safe inside bunkers for such a test.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Aug 11, 2019 10:09 am

    kvs wrote:

    Retard parade.

    Some Banderastan ex-pat claims that Russian sounds like Klingon.   To the average non-Slav, actually both
    Ukrainian and Russia sound very similar.  For obvious reasons.

    Little whorelet pandering to American morons.


    -Sigh-

    That wasn't an insult, stop being so passive-aggressive every time someone says something about Russia. She just said to her the languages sound similar and I speak Russian and they are some similarities with the language, not alot but it's there.

    You'd honestly give Americans a very bad opinion of Russians if you acted like this to every single thing.

    Btw the Klingons political infrastructure was based on Communist Russia and Nazi Germany with attire looking some Asian cultures they were designed to be the finest warriors.

    So the creator based them off that.
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    Post  franco on Sun Aug 11, 2019 1:37 pm

    She is actually of Ukrainian Russian descendant. Has not liked what has happened in Ukraine but has to be careful how much she says so...
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:00 am

    But why doesn't she like it... they are living the American dream aren't they?
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    Post  franco on Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:41 pm

    GarryB wrote:But why doesn't she like it... they are living the American dream aren't they?

    Apparently some family history with Nazi Ukrainian nationalist... but vague on details so could all be BS.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 13, 2019 2:34 am

    Well if it is because she opposes Ukrainian nazis then I can understand why she would not be happy with the state of the Ukraine...
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    Post  Regular on Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:35 am

    franco wrote:
    GarryB wrote:But why doesn't she like it... they are living the American dream aren't they?

    Apparently some family history with Nazi Ukrainian nationalist... but vague on details so could all be BS.  

    She is jew. Her opinion matters nothing. When there are jews involved they stir the hate between any nationalities. She can pretend she is russian and insult ukrainian, then do vice versa. And when shit hits the fan- she becomes a jewish. These how it works with them and Israeli neighbors know it the best.
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    Post  flamming_python on Tue Aug 13, 2019 10:41 pm

    Regular wrote:
    franco wrote:
    GarryB wrote:But why doesn't she like it... they are living the American dream aren't they?

    Apparently some family history with Nazi Ukrainian nationalist... but vague on details so could all be BS.  

    She is jew. Her opinion matters nothing. When there are jews involved they stir the hate between any nationalities. She can pretend she is russian and insult ukrainian, then do vice versa. And when shit hits the fan- she becomes a jewish. These how it works with them and Israeli neighbors know it the best.

    Ah Jesus Christ.

    What is it with you and your backwardness Regular?

    My father's Jewish - he's from the Ukraine, but came to Russia originally to study back in the Soviet era. Lived in Israel in the 90s for 6 months, but couldn't stand the nationalism and propaganda there; didn't identify with the Jewish state in any way. Defends Russia to foreigners, big critic of the government though among Russian-speakers, anti what he sees as adventures in the Ukraine. Lives abroad now in Europe and hasn't been back to Russia for nearly 10 years. But on the night that little stand-off happened with Trump over Syria he phoned me up to tell me that we should sink all the yankee ships to the bottom of the Meditteranean if they launch missiles at Russian bases; that enough is enough. I didn't have the heart to tell him that even if they did, that WW3 mutual mass-suicide wouldn't solve anyone's problems.

    I don't think Mila Kunis means to insult either Russians or Ukrainians. She said that people say Russian sounds like Klingon, but to her it sounds romantic. What's so offensive about that?

    American Jews are split between reactionary right-wing (who are further split into Zionists and those who are quite anti-Israel, but nationalists of Jewish identity), and those who are the same as other Americans and rapidly assimilate, intermarry and so on. There's also a minority of religious Jews there, who are also split into radical pro-Israeli sentiment and radical anti-Israeli sentiment (albeit more of the former). Among Russian Jews many assimilate into American society and the wider Jewish community there. There are also some that continue to identify with Russian/ex-Soviet culture; during the World Cup, there was a horde of Russian flag-waving in Brighton Beach.

    There's no such thing as what you're talking about. 2 Jews, 3 opinions as the saying goes. Maybe this confuses some people, that assume that every Jew is one and the same person, a schizophrenic hive mind. In as far as they're a single people, they have less cohesiveness on politics, sympathies, ideologies, etc... than other peoples, not more.

    Israelis act the way they do because it's the Middle East. Every minority there is opportunistic and ethno-nationalist seeking superpower patronage (Jews, Kurds, etc...), and the majorities are messianic-fundamentalist or chauvinist-assimilatory (Iranians, Arabs, Turks). This is what happens when regressive ideals are popular and regions are war-torn. Let's not build repeat all this in Europe.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:57 am

    But wouldn't that be called blowback... Europe... in particular Britain and France have done a lot of ground work in the Middle East to ensure conflict and prevent unity... a unified arab world would challenge the west seeing as how they happen to be sitting on the wests oil supply.

    Of course unity in the western world is about as hollow as unity in Europe...

    And I agree it is important to point out that there are Jews who think Israel is a bad idea and creates tension and hostility towards Jews with little to no chance of peace in the region... palestinians are not allowed a state why should jews have one?

    Or more precisely certain jews are preventing palestinians from statehood, why should those jews be allowed a state?
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    Post  flamming_python on Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:58 pm

    GarryB wrote:But wouldn't that be called blowback... Europe... in particular Britain and France have done a lot of ground work in the Middle East to ensure conflict and prevent unity... a unified arab world would challenge the west seeing as how they happen to be sitting on the wests oil supply.

    Of course unity in the western world is about as hollow as unity in Europe...

    And I agree it is important to point out that there are Jews who think Israel is a bad idea and creates tension and hostility towards Jews with little to no chance of peace in the region... palestinians are not allowed a state why should jews have one?

    Or more precisely certain jews are preventing palestinians from statehood, why should those jews be allowed a state?

    Well we can use that argument against anyone can't we. The same Britain and France did plenty to prevent plenty of peoples establishing states in Africa, Asia, etc...
    America is a state only because its colonists wiped out the native people and their states first.
    Russia has its current form because it also colonized Siberia, the Caucasus.
    And so on.

    I prefer to think of things from a real perspective than an idealist one (whether good or bad ideals). Israel is a state, with millions of people that have already lived a few generations in it; no matter where they originally came from. One way or the other it won't be right to deport them or some such. Same as other states in the world. The trouble is not with the fact that it's a state, but with its politics. Maybe they should just not interfere and conduct operations, and that will be enough for a Palestinian state to come about. Maybe they should withdraw to its old borders and actively broker a compromise with the Palestinian elite class, facilitate the establishment of independent Palestine. It's possible that the only legitimate Israel is one that's not a Jewish one, but that's joint with Palestinian lands and people as well. I don't know, nor does it much concern me - it's just a tiny corner of a very big planet, and there are more important things to worry about in Russia.

    As for unity in Europe - it is certainly hollow as it doesn't have any sort of political-economic system that would allow that. Rather, one that makes social division, disenfranchisement with 'values', exploitation of the itinerant working class in poorer members, the rise of nationalist and reactionary political parties - all inevitable. However it's still way ahead of the Middle East; no need to regress quite that far.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 15, 2019 3:58 am

    The problem with unity in Europe is that it is forced... a group decides what everyone should think and then demands everyone think the same way they do... except the people of europe never get to chose who is part of that group, and they are often fairly radical and seem to be rather left.

    More of a problem is the people who are offended because other people don't agree with their views... without any discussion on the matter at all.

    Trump won the election because the Hilary group thought they had it in the bag and the media supported them in that view right up until she lost because she was doing enough to what she thought would get her a win and nothing more... she didn't care what all americans wanted or thought, she just said what she thought would get her 51% of the vote, and when it didn't happen it was everything else to blame... Russian hackers, Russian collusion...
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Aug 15, 2019 4:01 pm

    GarryB wrote:The problem with unity in Europe is that it is forced... a group decides what everyone should think and then demands everyone think the same way they do... except the people of europe never get to chose who is part of that group, and they are often fairly radical and seem to be rather left.

    They are neo-liberals. It's an ideology closer to the Hegelian principle than to anything based in material reality. In the 19th century, the Hegelian principle was used to explain that misery and social ills during industrialization came because people were becoming religiously alienated. Classic chicken before the egg falacy.

    Nowadays, the thinking is that 3rd world countries suffer because they are not 'democratic' enough. Domestic society suffers, because it is not 'tolerant' enough. All that's needed is to change people's patterns of thinking and demonize everyone who thinks differently, it's oh so simple.

    Liberalism claims to be the result of the enlightment, the triumph of reason over superstition. Perhaps in its original form it was true, but nowadays it has devolved to the form of a religion, and a moralistic value system. Be a better Christian, be a more enlightened liberal - and everything will be okay, all the ills of society will vanish. And if absolutely everyone in the world was a good liberal, or a good Muslim, or whatever - then there would be world peace. Yeah, good luck turning everyone to one set of ideals, and even more luck with the notion that they'll all follow these tenets faithfully. Here comes in the neccessity for a religious or ideological vanguard. Which will inevitably become corrupted after a few generations, even if they were once true believers.

    More of a problem is the people who are offended because other people don't agree with their views... without any discussion on the matter at all.

    In rather the same manner of past century religious intolerance and witch-hunts. If you believe in a set of religious doctrines for the basis of a society and another person believes in a different set of religious doctrines; of course there will be a conflict.

    In the same manner, when you believe in a bunch of ideological superstitions and a moral value system as the basis of a political system (you have your own idea of how people are supposed to be, and don't accept them for what they are as a result of their social, economic conditions and historical memory); you're going to come into conflict with those with different ideals. When Muslim immigrants in Europe are asked to integrate, they are actually being asked to swap their religion for another. Now of course many of those Muslim immigrants bring with them backward ideals themselves - but pressuring on them to adopt a (state-sponsored) different value system and for all intents and purposes - religion - will create tension. And even if they were all converted, it won't actually solve anything as the state is backwards itself and justifies war and aggression by some arbitrary morals; building 'freedom', 'democracy', etc.... (which the actual reasons in reality have little to do with). The stronger such states are and the more influence they have, the worse for the world.

    The state should not support any value system, it should be based on scientific reasoning. Or if it does, then concrete things everyone wants and can relate with - peace, economic development, education, etc... with progress, old antagonisms will go away by themselves.

    This is not to say that idealist values and religions have no value. They surely do - but only in the manner of an individual or collective philosophy and way of behavior towards other people. In that sense they are desirable, but in the field of politics, or any science - they're not.

    Trump won the election because the Hilary group thought they had it in the bag and the media supported them in that view right up until she lost because she was doing enough to what she thought would get her a win and nothing more... she didn't care what all americans wanted or thought, she just said what she thought would get her 51% of the vote, and when it didn't happen it was everything else to blame... Russian hackers, Russian collusion...

    Internal enemies too - white men, the patriarchy, etc...

    Couldn't be because she was a war-mongering power-hungry bitch and advocated more of the same, while Trump was a politician that whatever his views, actually seemed to be sincere in what he said, and came in from outside the democrat-republican establishment.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:50 pm

    So the warmonger and blow hard John Bolton has accused Russia of stealing US rocket tech. LOL.

    This is an example of the perp accusing the victim of the crime. The US is badly behind across a whole range of rocket
    systems from hypersonics to nuclear propelled cruise missiles. Compare the Patriot systems to the S-400. Now that the US
    is scrambling to even have a supersonic anti-ship missile it starts accusing Russia of stealing. Stealing what? Obsolete
    US junk? As with the Shkval, it is the USA that is trying to steal Russian rocket tech.

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    Post  kvs on Fri Aug 16, 2019 3:21 pm

    Americans really are imbeciles and inadequates. They are a day late and a dollar short to the hypersonic missile party and accuse
    others of stealing. Was this like pre-theft? Bolton and the rest of the self-anointed exceptional ones have no credibility. America
    has not even tried to deploy similar systems and is only now tendering for their development. Did Russia steal the tenders?


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