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    Post  PhSt on Sun Oct 06, 2019 10:58 pm

    Qatari Pigs are smooching Western behinds again. RT needs to make a video comeback to refute this piece of garbage propaganda

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    Post  kvs on Sun Oct 06, 2019 11:46 pm

    $550 per month nominal translates into $1200 PPP.  

    1) Most Russians do not have extreme mortgage and apartment rent costs (i.e. above 40% of income).
    2) Most official Russian salaries are not the whole story and Russians earn via other jobs.

    So $1200 PPP becomes an effective $2500-3000 PPP when comparing apples to apples.  

    Not too shabby.

    I wonder how much all those pseudo-slave workers make in Qatar.   Without them Qatar would not have an economy.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:16 pm

    An extremely rare interview with Viktor Bout. U.S. officials tried to coerce him in to lying about Putin, which he refused stating he didn't really know Putin personally so there was no dirt to spill (at the 5:30 Mark)

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    Post  kvs on Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:15 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:An extremely rare interview with Viktor Bout. U.S. officials tried to coerce him in to lying about Putin, which he refused stating he didn't really know Putin personally so there was no dirt to spill (at the 5:30 Mark)


    Such prisoner pressure tactics constitute 100% human rights abuse. The USA is openly violating any number of treaties and UN declarations
    it signed involving human rights. This behaviour is also a violation of US law, but the US pretends that non-citizens do not have
    any rights even on US soil. This is yet another violation of human rights. Citizenship does not determine human rights or any other
    rights. Being human is what determines those rights.

    America is a smelly toilet of brazen, bloody hypocrisy and human rights abuse. That is why its fake stream media bleats about alleged
    human rights violations in other countries. To keep the sheeple diverted. It also bleats about human rights and humanitarianism to
    lubricate US imperial wars of aggression.



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    Post  miketheterrible on Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:34 pm

    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:An extremely rare interview with Viktor Bout. U.S. officials tried to coerce him in to lying about Putin, which he refused stating he didn't really know Putin personally so there was no dirt to spill (at the 5:30 Mark)


    Such prisoner pressure tactics constitute 100% human rights abuse.  The USA is openly violating any number of treaties and UN declarations
    it signed involving human rights.  This behaviour is also a violation of US law, but the US pretends that non-citizens do not have
    any rights even on US soil.  This is yet another violation of human rights.  Citizenship does not determine human rights or any other
    rights.  Being human is what determines those rights.  

    America is a smelly toilet of brazen, bloody hypocrisy and human rights abuse.  That is why its fake stream media bleats about alleged
    human rights violations in other countries.  To keep the sheeple diverted.  It also bleats about human rights and humanitarianism to
    lubricate US imperial wars of aggression.




    Well said. Victor Bout is a political prisoner in the US. US has been kidnapping Russians and placing them in jail in the US and that alone I believe is a human rights abuse.
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    Post  PhSt on Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:24 am



    Well said. Victor Bout is a political prisoner in the US. US has been kidnapping Russians and placing them in jail in the US and that alone I believe is a human rights abuse.

    Russia needs to do the same. Kidnap Americans and let them rot in a desolate jail in Siberia. now when the US bitch about it, just say that we are simply returning you the favour. its that simple.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:28 am

    PhSt wrote:


    Well said. Victor Bout is a political prisoner in the US. US has been kidnapping Russians and placing them in jail in the US and that alone I believe is a human rights abuse.

    Russia needs to do the same. Kidnap Americans and let them rot in a desolate jail in Siberia. now when the US bitch about it, just say that we are simply returning you the favour. its that simple.

    I agree, tit for tat is the best gaming strategy. Nobody can win and in the real world this creates a strong incentive for aggressive "players" to
    back off. The yanquis believe that they can rule the world. Giving them a quick kick to the 'nads at the right moments is the optimal approach
    to control their bullying.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:21 am

    I don't think Russia would have much of a future if it decides to emulate US behaviour.

    I think now that Russia is selling rocket technology to China... they should also start selling it to India and South Africa and Iran and anyone else who wants to buy it like North Korea, and stop selling it to the US.

    If the US doesn't want Russia to do that then Russia has a list of terms... including the immediate release of the Russian political prisoners the US has in its jails, and of course ending anti Russian activities regarding WADA and the international Chem and Bio warfare org they have tainted too...

    Russia can either be left alone or it can actively work against the west and the decision as to which Russia applies itself is up to the US and its actions.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:25 am

    GarryB wrote:I don't think Russia would have much of a future if it decides to emulate US behaviour.

    I think now that Russia is selling rocket technology to China... they should also start selling it to India and South Africa and Iran and anyone else who wants to buy it like North Korea, and stop selling it to the US.

    If the US doesn't want Russia to do that then Russia has a list of terms... including the immediate release of the Russian political prisoners the US has in its jails, and of course ending anti Russian activities regarding WADA and the international Chem and Bio warfare org they have tainted too...

    Russia can either be left alone or it can actively work against the west and the decision as to which Russia applies itself is up to the US and its actions.

    It is not about emulating. It is about bending over backwards to please the NATO west. Russia already arrested and put on trial some US
    "investor" crook. So it is pulling the "kidnap" card in a way. But I agree it should not act like some capricious empire breaking the law on
    a whim.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:55 am

    It is not about emulating. It is about bending over backwards to please the NATO west. Russia already arrested and put on trial some US
    "investor" crook. So it is pulling the "kidnap" card in a way. But I agree it should not act like some capricious empire breaking the law on
    a whim.

    Yeah, that is where I think you are wrong... the guy the Russians arrested was in Russia and was obviously doing something pretty dodgy... the Russian we are talking about... Victor Bout was in Thailand and it was US agents who wanted him to get stinger missiles for them for some war somewhere... in other words they created the whole situation... he didn't initiate anything.

    Trying to say one is the same as the other is just bullshit... and if we listen to you we will have real criminals being swapped for random Russians who happen to go to places where the US has extradition no question asked agreements.

    In that case Russia should arrest every US citizen they can get their hands on and put them up on false charges and then just hold them as hostages for when the US does the same... which would just escalate things pointlessly.

    Right now a Russian is in US prison who owned a air transport company and wouldn't cooperate with the US with dirt on Putin. That Butina chick is also serving time for not signing up as a foreign agent because she was not a foreign agent. She was a wide eyed pro US Russian who liked guns and American rights and wanted Russia to be more open and liberal about guns and it has bitten her in the ass. Would love to hear her talk about how wonderful america is after she gets released... one russian cured of the american dream right there.

    Maybe when she gets back to Russia she can shoot an american citizen and the russian justice system can find her guilty and sentence her to time served and release her... who is the current US ambassador to Russia?

    Right now Russias most appealing features are that it has comparable technology to the west, but without the moral judgemental BS and demands we all assimilate and conform to their rules. Russia is a don't judge me and I wont judge you type of country and that is appealing to countries getting screwed over by the west and then told they should be grateful.
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    Post  jhelb on Sat Oct 12, 2019 1:06 pm

    GarryB wrote:I think now that Russia is selling rocket technology to China... they should also start selling it to India and South Africa and Iran and anyone else who wants to buy it like North Korea, and stop selling it to the US.

    These countries will make cheaper clones and sell it in the market. In the process they will drive out Russian companies from the market.

    For instance the South Koreans purchased the technology behind Pantsir Then manufactured a cheap clone called K-30 Biho and is now selling it in the international arms market. So now sales of Pantsir has taken a beating.
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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:58 am

    These countries will make cheaper clones and sell it in the market. In the process they will drive out Russian companies from the market.

    Why am I surprised you said this....

    The Americans can't make the damn things themselves... why do you think the Chinese could?

    And as far as I know they are selling the production technology, they are not just selling them individual rocket motors like they did with the US, though with the US they did sell them the full plans and specs details.

    Right now a US company makes the complex titanium parts for Safran jet engines for France. The only other place that can make such things to the required precision is Russia and they make these engines amongst other things. Even the French couldn't make these engines if you handed over examples and plans.

    China will be able to make them because Russia is going to hand them the technology and skills to do so.

    They wont be able to make cheap clones to sell on the open market... because you can't make them cheaply... this is very high tech shit.

    And even if they could there are not many countries that would even be able to use them let alone be able to pay for them.

    Very simply there is no market where they can make money from it in any significant way.

    What it will do, however, is be an enormous boost to their space launch capacity as these engines are eye wateringly powerful things.

    In return China is selling to Russia some very useful high tech microelectronics technology that presumably the west wont sell to them.

    Sounds like a win win to me.

    For instance the South Koreans purchased the technology behind Pantsir Then manufactured a cheap clone called K-30 Biho and is now selling it in the international arms market. So now sales of Pantsir has taken a beating.

    The South Koreans created a much less capable system that is much cheaper, so countries that can't afford a better system can buy that. The countries that could afford Pantsir will pay the extra because they know it is more capable. The K-30 is just a vehicle with two 30mm cannon mounted on it with radars fitted and EO systems fitted, and in the current model has MANPADS mounted on it. Its max range is 7km which does not even outrange Vikhr ATGMs let alone Hermes which reaches to double that range.

    The guns are described as being effective to 3km and missiles to 7km.... in comparison the Pantsir has more than three times the 30mm cannon ammo on board and much better sensors and an effective range of 4km with guns of a much higher rate of fire, and more missiles with a range almost 3 times more at 20km in the current model. The Pantsir missiles are also much faster so the engagement times will be shorter allowing more targets to be engaged... compounded with more ready to launch missiles making that possible.

    Pantsir is going to be selling very very well in the next few years as countries take notice what it has been doing in Syria over the last few years... especially compared with western equivalents like 35mm towed cannon mounts and short range SAMs in Saudi Arabia.

    The main contract win by Biho was with India and I suspect it was selected simply because it was not Russian... when they put on international sale their new 57mm AAG systems I think some people in India will be very upset they chose the wrong system.

    BTW it was the S-350 that the South Koreans have a version of and that is not related to the K-30.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Oct 15, 2019 10:28 pm

    In other news the U.S. backed poodle govt. in Ecuador blames Russia for the protests in their country... lol1
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:52 pm


    In search of a Russian submarine: in Sweden found the source of the encoded signal
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    In Sweden, they finally found a source of a mysterious radio signal that provoked in October 2014 a large-scale military operation to “search for a Russian submarine” in Swedish territorial waters. As it turned out, the encoded signal adopted for the transmission of the submarine sent a faulty meteorological buoy. About this writes the publication Svenska Dagbladet.

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    The large-scale military operation of the Swedish Navy, which began in October 2014 to search for the alleged Russian submarine in the territorial waters of Sweden and ended in nothing, brought the Swedish military nothing but the additional costs of the operation and the conviction that "the submarine was there." But as it turned out, all this time the military was looking for a faulty meteorological buoy, which sent this encoded radio signal.

    In October 2014, the crew of a Swedish submarine patrolling the territorial waters of the country south of the Stockholm archipelago intercepted an encoded radio signal, allegedly sent from a foreign submarine located in the waters of Sweden. The country's Ministry of Defense initiated a large-scale operation to search for a submarine, it was assumed that a Russian mini-submarine penetrated into the territorial waters of Sweden. Searches were carried out for two weeks, 1.8 million euros were spent on them, but nothing could be found. However, Swedish Minister of Defense Peter Hultqvist said that "confirmation was received that there was a foreign submarine in the waters of Sweden."

    As it turned out later, the signal was sent by a faulty weather sensor, and the error was that the crew of the Swedish submarine, intercepting it, incorrectly determined the direction of the signal.


    Then this sound signal was received, the error was that they did not understand that the sound source was in the other direction. Then it was unknown, but this entry was initially confusing for everyone.

    - said one of the participants in the operation to search for a foreign submarine.

    The Swedish Meteorological Service confirmed that a weather beacon that had failed in the Baltic Sea sent a signal of its malfunction. Its encoded transmission was intended for the second buoy, located near the Stockholm archipelago and it was she who was intercepted by a submarine of the Swedish Navy.

    According to the journalists of the publication, the Minister of Defense and the government of the country learned about the real source of the signal in May 2015, however, due to bureaucratic red tape, the parliament was informed only four months after that, without disclosing the details of the incident and after approving the increase in defense spending 923 million euros, including the search for foreign submarines.



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    Post  GarryB on Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:00 am

    Hahahahahaha... incompetent morons....
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    Post  kvs on Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:11 am



    The BBC is claiming that Russia "stole" borscht from Ukraine. F*cking retards. There is even a Polish variant of
    borscht. In 1860 there were at least 3 variants including one from Malorossiya, part of which was made over into
    the fake state called Ukraine.

    The whole Ukraine project is rooted in the effort to steal Russia's history and hand it over to the clowns who call themselves
    Ukrainians, aka Banderastanis. They claim that the 120 million ethnic Russians are some sort of squatter tribe on Ukrainian
    land and that Kievan Rus was actually Ukraine. The fact that the word Ukraine didn't even exist in 1860 doesn't stop these
    fake history scumbags making all sorts of ludicrous claims. Ukr "historians" even claim that Ukraine existed 40,000 years ago
    when the human migration out of Africa was still ongoing.

    Naturally, Ukrs don't admit that all their excrement spew about Russians not being Slavs can be easily debunked by modern
    genetics studies. Modern genetics analysis can even identify mass migrations such a was the done for the Altai region population.
    It was established that there was mass migration out Altai about 15,000 years ago and that the ancestors of New World aboriginals
    are likely to have come from there (with some other mixing en route and of course genetic and cultural divergence). I am quite
    sure that it is the Ukrs that are less Slavic than Russians. They are a mixture of Romanians, Poles, Slovaks, even Spaniards
    (who fled the Inquisition), and Hungarians. Unfortunately, the ethnic Russians who live on the territory called Ukraine have
    been assimilated into this fake ethnicity.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Oct 26, 2019 9:14 pm



    BBC propagandists and Russia haters have their panties in a bunch over Russia making it into the top 30 of countries in rank of
    ease of doing business.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:42 pm

    kvs wrote:

    The BBC is claiming that Russia "stole" borscht from Ukraine.    F*cking retards.    There is even a Polish variant of
    borscht.   In 1860 there were at least 3 variants including one from Malorossiya, part of which was made over into
    the fake state called Ukraine.  

    The whole Ukraine project is rooted in the effort to steal Russia's history and hand it over to the clowns who call themselves
    Ukrainians, aka Banderastanis.   They claim that the 120 million ethnic Russians are some sort of squatter tribe on Ukrainian
    land and that Kievan Rus was actually Ukraine.   The fact that the word Ukraine didn't even exist in 1860 doesn't stop these
    fake history scumbags making all sorts of ludicrous claims.   Ukr "historians" even claim that Ukraine existed 40,000 years ago
    when the human migration out of Africa was still ongoing.  

    Naturally, Ukrs don't admit that all their excrement spew about Russians not being Slavs can be easily debunked by modern
    genetics studies.   Modern genetics analysis can even identify mass migrations such a was the done for the Altai region population.
    It was established that there was mass migration out Altai about 15,000 years ago and that the ancestors of New World aboriginals
    are likely to have come from there (with some other mixing en route and of course genetic and cultural divergence).   I am quite
    sure that it is the Ukrs that are less Slavic than Russians.   They are a mixture of Romanians, Poles, Slovaks, even Spaniards
    (who fled the Inquisition), and Hungarians.   Unfortunately, the ethnic Russians who live on the territory called Ukraine have
    been assimilated into this fake ethnicity.



    I am asking you this for the SECOND time on this forum: where did you get Spaniards settling in Ukraine from?

    You still have to reply to my first question.

    Any sources?

    From what I know Spaniards never settled either in Poland or Ukraine.

    There were some Sephardic Jews who settled in Poland, but Jews are not Spaniards.

    I would be very curious to see any evidence for this claim.


    You know very well that above all Ukrainians are a bunch of transplanted Varangians. They even have the same national colors as Sweden and they sided with that country against Poland and Russia during the Great Northern War of 1700-1721 (you can check a very recent post by me about it).


    Can you stop posting groundless bull-shit on this forum?


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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:15 pm

    Ukrainians are mostly East Slavic in anvestry, as Belarussiana and Russians. Look up any genetic map. They are completely the same people. There is a slightly higher % of Uralic DNA in North Russia as in the Middle Ages Slavs absorbed the Ugro-Finnic populations who had lived there before them.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:59 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Ukrainians are mostly East Slavic in anvestry, as Belarussiana and Russians. Look up any genetic map. They are completely the same people. There is a slightly higher % of Uralic DNA in North Russia as in the Middle Ages Slavs absorbed the Ugro-Finnic populations who had lived there before them.



    They are bunch of Slavic-speaking Varangians, albeit not in a pure form.

    There is for example more significant Vlach (Romanian) ancestry among them, albeit ethnic Poles also have it.

    I am sure there are other admixtures.


    Recently someone on another forum complained that some genetic company "must have made a mistake" because ethnic Ukrainians turned out to be "surprisingly" (but not for me) closely genetically related to ethnic Swedes.

    So at last it starts to show up.

    There are even similarities in their behavior like the brutal and bloodthirsty behavior of the Swedish invaders in Poland and the Ukrainian nationalists' genocidal activities directed against ethnic Poles during the Second World War.

    During earlier times the Ukrainian Zaporozhian Cossacks could be regarded as a continuation of earlier Varangian "traditions."

    Even their national colors are identical.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Oct 27, 2019 4:45 am

    Rolling Eyes lol1  *PROJECTION*


    Ben Hodges: Russia will attack Belarus if it considers it profitable

    Russia may well repeat the “Ukrainian scenario” in Belarus, attacking it, said former commander of US forces in Europe Ben Hodges. He told about this in an interview with the Belsat television channel.

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    Russia may attack an independent and sovereign Belarus, if it considers that it is beneficial to it, the American general is convinced. According to Hodges, Minsk has recently been establishing ties with the United States, and Moscow may not like this. At the same time, he emphasized that it is in the interests of the United States that President Lukashenko continue to resist pressure from Putin and not deploy Russian troops on the territory of the republic.

    (...) for security in the West, it is better if there are no troops of the Russian Federation in Belarus. Thus, if President Lukashenko can withstand pressure and does not allow them to be placed in Belarus, this reduces the danger to Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, and Ukraine. I think it's good

    - said Hodges.

    The general noted that if Russia decides to use force and occupy Belarus, as it was in Ukraine, then some European countries that are now trying to justify it may turn their backs on it. At the same time, if Russia considers it appropriate, it will attack a sovereign republic, this can be judged by the history of Russia.

    I studied the history of Russia over the past three centuries; I believe that they would not be ashamed to use force if they were told that it was necessary

    - stressed the general, adding that the West is interested in Belarus being able to maintain a certain independence and sovereignty, although it has very strong economic and cultural ties with Russia.



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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:09 am

    Yeah, I studied the last three decades of US history and think they are a bunch of censored who would sell their own grandmother into prostitution if it gave them more money or oil or both.

    The US funded several illegal coups in a dozen countries... including several attempts in the Ukraine with the purpose of overthrowing the legitimate governments and then asset stripping the country... they have already done it to the Ukraine, and blamed Russia for it, and now they are clearly going to try to do it in Belarus and are pre-blaming Russia for that as well.

    Note his words:

    I believe that they would not be ashamed to use force if they were told that it was necessary

    Yeah.... it is America that has no shame... they have fucked over the Ukraine... it is a country in the toilet being asset stripped as we speak... with officials appointed or fired on demand by US politicians and ex vice presidents... and they clearly have no shame regarding the situation they have placed the Ukrainians in, so it is easy to deduce that they will have no feelings for the people of Belarus when they try to do the same thing there...

    Problem is that the people of Belarus are not stupid and have seen first hand what the game is... divide, destroy and conquer... they have destroyed the Ukraine... which means a potential ally of Russia is eliminated for the next few decades at least... Belarus is next in their sights... they might create a strong anti Russia ally, or they might destroy the country... they don't care... either suits them.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:20 pm



    Poles have serious issues with their officials. The head of PGNiG (the national gas company of Poland) is running around pooping
    on the heads of the Poles that US LNG will cost 30% less than Russia's piped gas. This is the complete inversion of reality since
    LNG can never cost less than piped gas as it typically involves burning 30% of it to liquify. That is the same price has to be
    demanded for 70% if the volume to have cost equilibrium.

    In other words, this Polish chimp is claiming the opposite of the truth. In reality, it is US LNG that will be 30% more expensive
    than Russian piped gas. In the short run the US can use dumping tricks and sell for a loss to sucker EU-tards but in the long
    run the price has to reflect the cost of liquifaction.

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    Post  kvs on Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:53 pm



    The British MSM is crapping its pants over the summit of African leaders in Russia. At the same time the liberast 5th column
    is spouting its usual racist drivel at Russia such as: Russia is becoming an African country and has a long tradition of cannibalism.
    This comes from the mouth of Leonid Gozman, who is a Jew, somehow it is OK for Jews to be racist against everyone, but if
    you criticize Israel for killing Palestinian civilians and ethnic cleansing, well then, your some anti-Semite. BTW, Semites includes
    Arabs and not only Jews, so the whole label "anti-Semite" is POS construct.

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    Post  Hole on Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:16 pm

    If I remember correctly the term "anti-semite" was created by Goebbels or one of his minions. Back then it was a positive label.

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