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    Post  Isos Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:14 pm

    No he is not. He opposed to the su-30 and wanted more Tors.

    He is just pointing out that someone in Armenia bought useless fighters against the will of the armed forces.
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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Nov 20, 2020 2:04 pm

    Isos wrote:No he is not. He opposed to the su-30 and wanted more Tors.

    He is just pointing out that someone in Armenia bought useless fighters against the will of the armed forces.

    And that he is making excuses.

    He is saying it was a dumb move because it wasn't his idea and they all fucked up.

    If he got tors, it would be same results.

    Like I said, all I am hearing are excuses.  He got shafted and thus he is throwing a fit.

    So far, all I am hearing from Armenia's side are excuses and bullshit.  They didn't do squat, they fucked up and they lost.

    It's not like you believed everything from someone high up has said before.  He got shafted and he is making screeches.  Like Pussyman done, etc.  They are liars, they are thieves and they got caught with their pants down.

    If he was a higher up in Armenian military, how come he didn't stop the funneling of money in a fake offshore company that was "armenian"?

    Anyway, this is pointless.  You take a failure and a fuck at face value, as well as make false equivalents to Iran and blame Russia.  Go figure.  Most failures in life do that.

    Most man up to their failures and admit mistakes were made. Not blame someone else and lie about it

    My bet? They didn't buy missiles OR, they refused to use the jets. If they were expecting to do shit during the campaign, then that means they wouldn't put effort and money into using their jets.
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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 20, 2020 4:04 pm

    The shaming and blaming of Russia is grotesque.   These clowns can go and flap in the wind and see how long their
    testicles last in the hands of the Turks.

    Resentful, snivelling chihuahuas like the rest of the limitrophes.
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    Post  LMFS Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:09 pm

    Now you can imagine the anger of the average Armenian, it is only to be expected that these rats are trying to dodge the blame no matter how shamelessly. As the fog of war vanishes, the obvious reality is that they have used their country as a bait against Russia and that the Armenian nation will have to pay the price for decades to come.

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    Post  Scorpius Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:23 pm

    Isos wrote:No he is not. He opposed to the su-30 and wanted more Tors.

    He is just pointing out that someone in Armenia bought useless fighters against the will of the armed forces.
    Did you just call the Su-30 a "useless fighter"? Facepalm

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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:03 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Isos wrote:No he is not. He opposed to the su-30 and wanted more Tors.

    He is just pointing out that someone in Armenia bought useless fighters against the will of the armed forces.
    Did you just call the Su-30 a "useless fighter"? Facepalm

    Utter brain dead chutzpah. Beggars can't be choosers and these clowns have been getting competitive military equipment.
    They should try and build their own. Moronic ingrates.

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    Post  Isos Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:13 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Isos wrote:No he is not. He opposed to the su-30 and wanted more Tors.

    He is just pointing out that someone in Armenia bought useless fighters against the will of the armed forces.
    Did you just call the Su-30 a "useless fighter"? Facepalm

    With no weapons it is quite useless. If it has its use they would have used it during the war.

    So yeah it's more than useless since it has eaten a big amount of money too.
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    Post  George1 Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:31 pm

    Itar Tass wrote:Russian border guards to move reinforcements to Armenia-Azerbaijan border, says FSB chief

    MOSCOW, November 20. /TASS/. Russia’s border guard service FSB will deploy reinforcements to the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan, FSB Director Alexander Bortnikov said at a meeting chaired by President Vladimir Putin.

    "In accordance with the decision made to maintain the border security of the Republic of Armenia and measures to maintain peace in Nagorno Karabakh and at the request of the Armenian side the FSB office in the Republic of Armenia has been reinforced with a reserve of 188 officers and men and the required amount of military equipment. The border guards will deploy reinforcements to the border between Armenia and Azerbaijan in the communities of Tekh and Syrgyt and between them," Bortnikov said.

    He added that the Azerbaijani side had been notified of the measure and the required cooperation with partners had been arranged for.

    The reserve was airlifted to Armenia on November 18-20.

    "At the moment the forces are establishing coordination and cooperation. On November 22 the reserve will move to the designated areas of responsibility and begin to perform its duties," Bortnikov said.

    https://tass.com/defense/1226169
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    Post  lyle6 Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:35 pm

    If there's a will, there's a way, if not excuses. They could've sent diplomats with briefcases filled with cash to anyone who used a Soviet/Russian plane and bought their missiles. They could've just used the guns on the jets and its not like the drones are going to be fighting back. They could've even just flown fast and close to the drones and let turbulence handle the rest. They could've done anything other than pretend they were winning and they wouldn't have lost as much as they did.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:53 pm

    Scorpius wrote:
    Isos wrote:No he is not. He opposed to the su-30 and wanted more Tors.

    He is just pointing out that someone in Armenia bought useless fighters against the will of the armed forces.
    Did you just call the Su-30 a "useless fighter"? Facepalm

    if it has no weapons to conduct strikes....then yes it is useless.

    What good is it just sitting there? to look pretty well that's an awfully expensive decoration peace.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:56 pm

    lyle6 wrote:If there's a will, there's a way, if not excuses. They could've sent diplomats with briefcases filled with cash to anyone who used a Soviet/Russian plane and bought their missiles. They could've just used the guns on the jets and its not like the drones are going to be fighting back. They could've even just flown fast and close to the drones and let turbulence handle the rest. They could've done anything other than pretend they were winning and they wouldn't have lost as much as they did.

    Um using the guns would amount to suicide lol.

    That would require the SU-30's and that's assuming their guns could even damage the tanks. To fly very low and in a very straight path towards them, meaning AA would light their asses up in seconds.

    No commander in their right mind would do this, your playing too many video games.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:08 pm

    GarryB wrote:...Spread a section of 100 soldiers along a line of trenches and get them all to load up a 45 round mag and coordinate their fire at drone targets... make sure the direction you are all shooting means the bullets land in enemy territory and you might get a few bonus kills too.

    Dude, seriously...

    This nonsense doesn't work even in videogames




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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:29 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Isos wrote:There was no embargo on S-300 which is a defensive weapon. They just bend over israeli and choosed not deliver what was legaly bought by Iran.

    This guy talking about su-30 missiles isn't a twitter guy but head of Armenian forces.

    The "story" is then real. They didn't have any missile. Why ? Idk. Maybe he lies and they didn't have money to buy them. But then why buy 4 useless su-30 ? They had the option to buy Tor or some upgraded and cheaper mig-29. That's weired.

    He is making excuses for their failures. I see this all the time at work. When people fuck up badly, they don't admit their guilt.  He, and everyone in Armenia fucked up.

    There isn't an embargo on Armenia and everyone else that doesn't have an embargo on them are able to get Russian missiles.

    End of story.

    That jackass is a lying degenerate, he also made the pathetic fake claim that Tor's were completely incapable of defeating drones, meanwhile Roboronsexport have trainers for Tor designed to help them train and defeat drones.
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    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7159p150-russian-defence-against-drone-swarms#299702

    They become 'useless' when the Armpitians are too pathetic to use them.

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    Post  medo Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:28 pm

    It's not the problem in weapons, they are just fine. Su-30, Tor-M2 and Osa work just fine. Problem was betrayal of Artzakh and armenian soldiers in epic proposions. Pashinyan and his gang surender their nation in Artzakh to Turks before war and they dis everything possible, that Artzakh defense will fall as quickly as possible, that Turks and Azeris could take it quickly. problem was, that this plan of Pashinyan, Erdogan and Aliev didn't work because of Kocharyan and Putin. When betrayal become clear, ex-president of Armenia Robert Kocharyan did anything possible to resque Artzakh and use all his connections in Russia. Most probably he also have contacts with Putin. He brings enough weapons and voluntiers from Russia and diaspora, that Artzakh defense manage to defend Artzakh until Russia intervene and Russian peace keepers come in Artzakh. Now Artzakh doesn't belong neither to Armenia, neither to Azerbaijan and have open path to Independent state under Russian protection, similarly to Abhazia and South Ossetia.

    Artzakh Osas shot down 62 drones. General didn't say that Osa didn't shot down any drone, he said Osa didn't shot down bayraktar.

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    Post  kvs Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:48 pm

    medo wrote:It's not the problem in weapons, they are just fine. Su-30, Tor-M2 and Osa work just fine. Problem was betrayal of Artzakh and armenian soldiers in epic proposions. Pashinyan and his gang surender their nation in Artzakh to Turks before war and they dis everything possible, that Artzakh defense will fall as quickly as possible, that Turks and Azeris could take it quickly. problem was, that this plan of Pashinyan, Erdogan and Aliev didn't work because of Kocharyan and Putin. When betrayal become clear, ex-president of Armenia Robert Kocharyan did anything possible to resque Artzakh and use all his connections in Russia. Most probably he also have contacts with Putin. He brings enough weapons and voluntiers from Russia and diaspora, that Artzakh defense manage to defend Artzakh until Russia intervene and Russian peace keepers come in Artzakh. Now Artzakh doesn't belong neither to Armenia, neither to Azerbaijan and have open path to Independent state under Russian protection, similarly to Abhazia and South Ossetia.

    Artzakh Osas shot down 62 drones.  General didn't say that Osa didn't shot down any drone, he said Osa didn't shot down bayraktar.

    For important context, the NATzO quisling regime in Georgia is explicitly surrendering to Turkey. It already has handed over Adjaria into
    a de facto annexation by Turkey. Note that Adjaria is not some Turkish enclave which would make any annexation marginally
    meaningful.

    So Pussynian is acting on the same NATzO agenda.

    And Russia is guilty of something in all of this according to the resident Russia hating prick poser.

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    Post  medo Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:42 am

    Well Georgia is now under US protection, not under Russian protection. Who will they blame, when Turks attack them?
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    Post  Backman Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:31 am

    There was someone claiming that this could be an economic cost to Russia and Russia might collapse like the USSR No . And I just want to put that idea to rest. Russia is a dual creditor nation. It has a huge trade surplus and a primary govt surplus. The USSR started running a net trade deficit in 1966. The USSR was like the US now.

    Anyway here are the numbers. Russia has more foreign exchange reserves than India. And more gold than China. So it is just manifestly ludicrous to have concerns about the c cost of this mission.

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    Post  Regular Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:38 am

    Hey, I thought no missiles was a myth? Same with OSA-AK not shooting down single uav while there are videos of it downing Israeli one.

    This is just blaming game..
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    Post  Backman Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:43 am

    kvs wrote:
    medo wrote:It's not the problem in weapons, they are just fine. Su-30, Tor-M2 and Osa work just fine. Problem was betrayal of Artzakh and armenian soldiers in epic proposions. Pashinyan and his gang surender their nation in Artzakh to Turks before war and they dis everything possible, that Artzakh defense will fall as quickly as possible, that Turks and Azeris could take it quickly. problem was, that this plan of Pashinyan, Erdogan and Aliev didn't work because of Kocharyan and Putin. When betrayal become clear, ex-president of Armenia Robert Kocharyan did anything possible to resque Artzakh and use all his connections in Russia. Most probably he also have contacts with Putin. He brings enough weapons and voluntiers from Russia and diaspora, that Artzakh defense manage to defend Artzakh until Russia intervene and Russian peace keepers come in Artzakh. Now Artzakh doesn't belong neither to Armenia, neither to Azerbaijan and have open path to Independent state under Russian protection, similarly to Abhazia and South Ossetia.

    Artzakh Osas shot down 62 drones.  General didn't say that Osa didn't shot down any drone, he said Osa didn't shot down bayraktar.

    For important context, the NATzO quisling regime in Georgia is explicitly surrendering to Turkey.   It already has handed over Adjaria into
    a de facto annexation by Turkey.   Note that Adjaria is not some Turkish enclave which would make any annexation marginally
    meaningful.  

    So Pussynian is acting on the same NATzO agenda.

    And Russia is guilty of something in all of this according to the resident Russia hating prick poser.


    I was just listening to this short John Batchelor show podcast. He had a color revolution democracy NGO on. And she said that Armenia should be celebrating that they threw off their "empire" because now they can make peace and develop properly. I guess the empire was Negorno Karabakh. It was something to that effect.

    Maybe it was the plan all along. Maybe the US was playing both sides of the board in this war. Its just suspect how strangely happy this person was over the outcome. Edit:This democracy shill actually did the interview in Baku. hmmmm

    Here's a link to the show. Commercials end at 50 seconds in https://www.reddit.com/r/ThePodcastFeed/comments/jucbk0/the_john_batchelor_show_713_success_in_baku/

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:19 am

    OT: The US gold reserves are a dubious figure. Germany and others have been trying to repatriate their gold reserves
    and it takes years and years for the USA to give them back their gold. In the case of Ukraine the US simply looted
    all of its gold reserves "for safe keeping". Even though the US is one of the top four gold producers it reserve figure
    has been stagnant for decades. Probably the owners are not the US government and these owners have looted the
    US reserves.

    The NGO lemming must be happy that Pussynian destroyed Armenia's military and killed the patriotic locus of NK.
    In Ukraine the NGOs also lubricated the destruction of the Ukrainian army. Unlike Latin America the armies in the
    ex-USSR were actually patriotic and the NATzO colonization agenda is to get them out of the way. Any words
    that come out of the mouth an NGO lemming are vapid and designed to maintain NATzO's precious false narratives.
    So Pussynian is a "hero" like the leadership of Georgia and Ukraine who actively destroy the "big, bad Soviet legacy"
    and bring their countries into the colonial camp of NATzO.

    I think NATzO sponsored NGO agents need to be shot on sight.

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    Post  Backman Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:54 am

    Isos wrote:Yes they have because if they don't it will affact their image.

    Russia didn't gave iran the s-300 it bought for a long time. Western/Israeli influence is still too great on Putin to have total independancybon weapon sells.

    Also :

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    As whom once was involved in #Iran's defense industry can say that we in #Iran Air Force also suffered a lot from #Russia.We purchased 12 Su-24MKs & 24 MiG-29s in 1989 but they refused to deliver spare parts & even complete training of our technicians.That was #Ukraine helped us.

    It's not about pressure from the west. It's more personal with Putin and Netanyahu. Iran and Russia have always had an awkward relationship. Iran absolutely stiffed Russia on a big order of Sukhoi Superjets after the Iran deal. They could have reduced the order or just kept it so that they didn't jinx the Iran deal. But nope. They cancelled the whole order and bought Boeing. If they kept the order , they would have the badly needed civil jets already. But now they only have 1 or 2 Airbus's to show for the Iran deal. And they are probably crawling back to Moscow for that Sukhoi SSJ order again.

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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:00 am


    Russia and Turkey going into hot war would have sent Turks back under EU control and would have given NATO free reign and would have elevated it beyond any scrutiny

    It would have also been a God send to MIC and Clinton cartel especially now when Biden is about to take office

    This war was no accident and Russia doing baller move by dumping cold water on this and rolling in like nuclear hippie while calling dibs on entire place completely fucked over the Clinton cartel and Brussels (yet again)

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    Post  Backman Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:08 am

    Isos wrote:
    Scorpius wrote:
    Isos wrote:No he is not. He opposed to the su-30 and wanted more Tors.

    He is just pointing out that someone in Armenia bought useless fighters against the will of the armed forces.
    Did you just call the Su-30 a "useless fighter"? Facepalm

    With no weapons it is quite useless. If it has its use they would have used it during the war.

    So yeah it's more than useless since it has eaten a big amount of money too.

    Pashinyan wouldn't have used the fighters in this war if they had missiles.  He didn't even mobilize the actual Armenian army. So why would he have activated the Armenian air force ?

    Its looking more and more to me like Pashinyan was instructed by his handlers, to give up most of Nagorno Karabakh. If the whole Armenian army was activated, they most likely would have repelled it just by brute force.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:32 am

    Dude, seriously...

    This nonsense doesn't work even in videogames

    Of course... training troops to volley fire at air targets is nonsense... maybe they just stick their thumbs up their own asses and pray for their god to protect them from UAVs perhaps?
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    Post  medo Sat Nov 21, 2020 9:36 am

    Why do you think Armenian Su-30 don't have missiles? After all, they are in the same base with Russian MiGs. They could use missiles from Russian stocks if Pashinyan didn't buy their own. Russian planes all the time bring weapons. Russia bring to Armenia jammers to jam drones, but Armenians store them in warehouse for the whole war instead sending them to Artzakh.

    All this are now just empty excuses to wash their ugly faces. But it will not help. Pashinyan and his wife will end similarly to Ceausescu and his wife.

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