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    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #3

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:44 pm

    Isos wrote:

    There aren't only tanks on the front. 500g is enough to destroy light vehicle or make mobility kills.

    A soldier in the middle of nowhere will hear it but a soldier in a running car won't.  


    Indeed. Land on, or just above, the roof of an ammo or fuel or personnel truck and a valuable blast.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Dec 05, 2020 2:55 pm

    Good analysis by South Front on another aspect of the situation.

    The Second Nagorno-Karabakh War not only led to a shift of the military political balance of power in the South Caucasus, but the agreements reached to put an end to it would potentially greatly reshape transport links, and thus freight and passenger flows in the region. The deployment of Russian peacekeepers to Azerbaijan, the growth of Turkish-Azerbaijani cooperation and the decline of the project of the Armenian Nagorno-Karabakh Republic are reactivating several strategic directions that have been inactive for almost 30 years and regional players are now publicly declaring plans regarding the creation of new economic corridors.

    For the first time since independence, Armenia will have to conduct work on boundary settlement, including the creation of official border crossings. Until recently, the Azerbaijani-Armenian border in the Karabakh region did not in fact exist and the Armenian government used the area as a kind of buffer zone. This cannot remain unchanged since Azerbaijan has gained districts bordering Armenia. Just recently, the vague reaction of the Armenian government to Azerbaijani troops entering the Sotk gold mine located just on the border between both states demonstrates the scale of the problem.

    At the same time, the Lachin corridor, which links Armenia with what is left of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic, remains under the control of Russian troops which provide security to civilians moving along it. However, the situation here is also complex. Since Azerbaijani forces captured Shusha, the road linking Stepanakert with Lachin partially passes through the zone of control of the Azerbaijani military. In future, as the reached agreements say, there is a plan for an alternative route that would by-pass Shusha.

    The situation with the southern transport corridor between Azerbaijan and its Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic is also curious. Under the agreed deal, it is supposed to be unlocked under the control of the Border Service of the Russian Federal Security Service. There is not only an automobile road, but also a railway passes along the border in the south. This corridor was abandoned as a result of the First Nagorno-Karabkah War. Gradually, Armenia dismantled its parts of the railway, but Azerbaijan kept them up to Horadiz in the east, and within the Nakhichevan enclave.

    In their turn, Iran, taking advantage of the years of anarchy in this “no-man’s” buffer territory, quietly built the Khudaferin hydroelectric power station and flooded about 15 km of the dismantled railway. The original landscape was seriously changed. This makes the restoration of the railway much more difficult and a part of it, after the flooding, will likely have to be created in a rock tunnel. By the way the location of the Khudaferin hydroelectric power station by itself also changed the possible route of any potential railway. In these conditions, the restoration of the railway in the area would require significant investment and work and on top of this would require a significant amount of time.

    Turkey, a traditional Azerbaijani ally, would be happy to take advantage of the unblocking of transport links. Ankara has a long ago announced plan of construction of a railway to Nakhichevan and this project is being reactivated. Turkey has a relatively weak railway network in its east and even the capacity of the corridor to Iran is limited by the ferry through the Van lake. Thus, the creation of a railway link to Nakhichevan would boost not only Azerbaijani-Turkish economic ties and guarantee the ground link between Azerbaijan and Turkey, but would also increase the economic potential of the east of Turkey.

    Apologists for the current Armenian government speculate that the defeat in the war and the loss of Karabakh, which is now de facto under the control of the Russians, in fact plays into the hands of the Armenians. Now, they will allegedly be able to de-escalate their relations with Azerbaijan, enter joint economic projects with it and even trade with Iran through Nakhichevan. These versions are from the same group of fairy tales that came up with a Euro-Atlantic rescue rangers team that would be compelled to protect Armenian forces in Karabakh in the event of an Azerbaijani attack because modern Armenia has a very ‘democratic’ and ‘European-oriented’ government. As might have been expected, this did not happen. Dreams about some mysterious European integration, also widely fueled by international funds and the group of traitors sitting in Armenian top offices are also hardly likely to be turned into reality. Nonetheless, if Armenia keeps its current course, it will have the opportunity to sell off the remaining vestiges of its territories and sovereignty and to turn itself into a kind of outpost for globalists and NATO in the Southern Caucasus. The only difficulty would be that together with this Armenia would likely have to surrender its south to please one well-known NATO member state led by the Neo-Ottoman-styled President.

    In theory, the unblocking of transport corridors should allow to intensify economic life in the South Caucasus and to create new opportunities for the restoration of the region after years of conflict. However, in practice, the implementation of these projects would require much time and would face significant difficulties growing from the remaining tensions among the sides involved.
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    Post  LMFS Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:07 pm

    Isos wrote:
    There aren't only tanks on the front. 500g is enough to destroy light vehicle or make mobility kills.

    A soldier in the middle of nowhere will hear it but a soldier in a runing car won't.

    500 g? That drone is a Mavic Air 2 if I am not wrong, the full thing weights 570 g itself. That means, you will not be able to even carry a a hand grenade on it...

    https://www.dji.com/br/mavic-air-2/specs
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    Post  Isos Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:11 pm

    I wasn't talking of that drone but of that type of drone.
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    Post  LMFS Sat Dec 05, 2020 3:18 pm

    Isos wrote:I wasn't talking of that drone but of that type of drone.

    Yes, one that is smaller and stealthier but carries much more payload and has more range Razz

    I am joking, but I think it makes sense to see some real numbers so we have a notion of the real capabilities of the drones. They are useful but not magical and have the same kinds of restrictions any aircraft has.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:16 pm

    Isos wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Plus they cannot carry a warhead worth using... we have seen above way more advanced ones them not even scratching a tank, what is the use of an even smaller warhead (few grams) against even light armour, fortifications or dispersed infantry? Plus such drones do not fly more than few minutes. As koretmore said, they can be good for observation, in fact purpose designed drones are even way smaller so they are more difficult to detect... those commercial ones can be heard some hundreds of meters away easily.

    There aren't only tanks on the front. 500g is enough to destroy light vehicle or make mobility kills.

    A soldier in the middle of nowhere will hear it but a soldier in a runing car won't.  


    500 grams payload include the stabilizing and filming equipment. There's spare for 87gr on a DJI Fly ... that's about 45 gr of Explosives once rigged.

    Infantry OK. Anything else iffy.

    Bigger drones like the MAVIC Plus captured with a pound of AX12 and another with almost 2KG explosive were better attempts.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 06, 2020 5:59 am

    There aren't only tanks on the front. 500g is enough to destroy light vehicle or make mobility kills.

    Those drones are not much more than line of sight, and while 500g will take out any car or truck against an actual armoured vehicle like an APC or IFV it likely wont do very much at all.

    Their value is more the camera they carry and their small size meaning they can be launched straight up and give you a decent view ahead from a platform that is small and not actually very obvious like a bigger object like a helicopter or balloon doing the same thing.

    Armenian using a quad copter. IMO this sort of drone is the most difficult to counter for AD because they can hover at 0km/h and accelerate pretty fast. With a warhead they would be very dangerous.

    Very dangerous for most of the worlds air defence because it mostly relies on radar of type that are useless for small plastic items with batteries and electric motors that don't contain a lot of metal in them like this system.

    The AD systems the Russians are employing including TOR and Pantsir and other systems use IIR sensors, while the new Pine system is EOs only which should have no trouble at all detecting such a system and tracking it.

    Indeed. Land on, or just above, the roof of an ammo or fuel or personnel truck and a valuable blast.

    The thing is that in terms of range and endurance and payload it would make more sense to carry Metis-M1 and be able to penetrate 950mm of armour out to 2km range...

    I am joking, but I think it makes sense to see some real numbers so we have a notion of the real capabilities of the drones. They are useful but not magical and have the same kinds of restrictions any aircraft has.

    Its max flight distance is given as 18km and video distance as 10km max, but flight distance would be dramatically reduced with any sort of payload...

    With a 10km range then a Kornet-EM would be at least as effective, but the value of this sort of thing is not in its capacity to deliver ammo... it would make much more sense to carry a laser designator on the drone and use it to climb up high in the air and find targets which you can then launch attacks with laser guided artillery... why carry tiny charges around with a drone and reduce its speed and range and altitude performance when the HE 120mm mortar rounds can be delivered separately?

    Lasers are not effected by cross winds as they paint the tops of armoured vehicles...
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    Post  Mindstorm Sun Dec 06, 2020 12:35 pm


    Isos wrote:There aren't only tanks on the front. 500g is enough to destroy light vehicle or make mobility kills.


    With a similar explosive payload you will surely not cause impairing damages even to lightly armoured vehicles the only real use will be against enemy infantry in the open (in particular those not equipped with modern anti-fragment body protection suits and helmets) or against totally  unarmoured targets and particularly if those vehciles carry ammunitions.

    Obviously, as said more times the best weapon of this type of small UAVs is the video they make : let a second UAV make a video of an Orbiter-1K hit an БМП-2 ,obviously in night vision channel to increase the impact, and scarce knowledgeable observers will easily believe that this БМП-2 has been put out of action or destroyed (inflating the figures of ridiculous sites making comical tracks of the vehicles destroyed in conflicts Rolling Eyes ).

    Reality is that UAVs much larger than those transportable by a soldiers have a payload of 2-2,5 kg of which 800 gr to 1,3 kg of effective explosive.

    The effect, (not in night vision channels, you can see down ( the Zerbe-1K mass used in the last conflict , an Azerbaijani licensed production of Israeli Orbiter-1K UAV)



    Self-proiclaimed Artsakh Repiublic's forces have lost the war cause the huge command, numerical and qualitative overmatch (in particular in the critical special forces department that has been decisive in the battle in the strongly defended area near Sushi) against Azerbaihani forces backed and guided by Turkey; in those condictions they have inflicted a bit more than double of theirs losses exclusively with artillery, tank guns, mortars and small caliber fire (and 90% of theirs own losses has been caused by the same Azeri weapons).


    Double the forces at theirs disposition in those same advantageous defending positions, even leaving the same incompetent command line and terribly outdated force composition, and the enemy losses skyrocket to 8-9 times ,that say a sound defeat even worse than 1994 one.



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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Dec 06, 2020 6:33 pm

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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:19 pm

    Russia did not "win". It is now entangled with peacekeepers in this disaster zone. The talk of leverage from those peacekeepers is
    vapid. Are this 1900+ soldiers going to invade Azerbaijan to impose Russia's will?

    Russia did "win" by not taking the NATzO bait laid through the hands of Pussynian. And Pussynian, the plucky freedom lover, has
    shown himself to be a colonial dictator.



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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:34 pm

    Russia did not "win". It is now entangled with peacekeepers in this disaster zone.
    at least NATO, Turks, Azeris, & Iran r outflanked; if anything bad happens to her peacekeepers, Russia will have casus belli to intervene like in S. Ossetia in 2008.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:41 pm

    kvs wrote:Russia did not "win".   It is now entangled with peacekeepers in this disaster zone.    The talk of leverage from those peacekeepers is
    vapid.   Are this 1900+ soldiers going to invade Azerbaijan to impose Russia's will?  

    Russia did "win" by not taking the NATzO bait laid through the hands of Pussynian.   And Pussynian, the plucky freedom lover, has
    shown himself to be a colonial dictator.




    Sigh Ultra Bogatyr suddenly becomes 5th columnist...

    Russia imposed its will on everyone.
    1. The TSK/RSV center is in Aghadam not in Karabakh.
    2. Turkish presence is going to be limted to 850 troops.
    3. Azeri losses are high and there cannot be talk of sustainability of their positions if they have to face a two front war.
    4. The 2K MC's are a tripwire, not an invasion force. See Georgia.
    5. You have to make up your mind (if there's anything still running in there) did Russia NOT take the bait by not intervening in the active phase (hint it did). Or did Russia take the 'bait' by making of Pash another Levon Ter Petrossian and basically annexed all but in formal standard Armenia and NK?
    6. Pash is now a Russian hostage. Everyone coming after him can be as Anti-Russian as they want, but they are now openly looking at Russian passports for NK.

    Overall Russia started with a limited hand and got the best out of the Situaion.

    a. Armenia is not going anywhere.
    b. Azerbaijan has to replace the losses it incurred (its about 25% of its frontline troops).
    c. Turkey is looking at the failure of its Caucasian gambit. For all the spending and the boasting, it is reduced to an even worse deal than in Syria and it prays that Russia will not change its mind after 5 years. Which Russia WILL DO.

    Suck it, Russian leadership showed they're still in charge. But the next 5 years will be fundamental.

    3 conflicts.

    1. Ukraine (2022/23).
    2. Syria (2022).
    3. Azerbaijan. (2023/24).

    3 "Situations".

    1. Belarus (2022).
    2. Transnistria (2022/23).
    3. Georgia (2024).



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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:47 am

    Russia did not "win". It is now entangled with peacekeepers in this disaster zone. The talk of leverage from those peacekeepers is
    vapid. Are this 1900+ soldiers going to invade Azerbaijan to impose Russia's will?

    Of course it made the best of a bad situation... on the chart of stupid fuckers turning to the west for all the promises of wealth and prosperity... where would you put this?

    Syria: Assad still in power and defeated an ISIS force that was going to destroy them.

    Libya: Gadaffi murdered and the place is a chaotic shithole.

    Ukraine: coup and the place is now a shithole but with a hot ongoing conflict in regions not happy with the coup.

    South Ossetia: attempted invasion by Georgia leads to removal of pretend georgian peacekeepers to be replaced with Russian forces actually interested in keeping the peace.

    In NK, there were peacekeepers there already and now there are more and with a new agreement there is more clarity over what is what... there are claims that the Azeris could just attack again and take the rest, well they could, but now the Russians are there in much greater numbers and would be in a much better position to stop any further conflict.

    2,000 VDV that can all in strikes and attacks where necessary is probably the size of the force they would need to defeat a lot of countries in the region together with local friendly forces under their command to draw out enemy forces that can then be attacked with air power after enemy air power and air defence has been neutralised... but I seriously doubt it would come to that.
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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:52 am

    There is no disagreement on those points, but the talk is of Russia re-asserting some sort of neocolonial influence in the
    region. Not with 2000 peacekeepers it is not. And Russia serving as a broker for the ceasefire depends on the Azeris
    and Armenians playing along.

    Armenia is a lost cause. It looks like Azerbaijan is not run by stooges.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:14 am

    kvs wrote:There is no disagreement on those points, but the talk is of Russia re-asserting some sort of neocolonial influence in the
    region.   Not with 2000 peacekeepers it is not.   And Russia serving as a broker for the ceasefire depends on the Azeris
    and Armenians playing along.  

    Armenia is a lost cause.  It looks like Azerbaijan is not run by stooges.


    ...

    At some point you will have to consult a specialist for your delusion.

    Armenia is the best geopolitical comeback in ages. It was achieved through a a cynical calculus and the rationale that Armenia would have no other alternative. That rationale was right. Now both sides are licking their wounds. The sentiment is that a round 3 is going to happen either within the first PK mandate or within the decade.

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    Post  franco Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:34 pm

    Experts are discussing a statement by the Armenian Prime Minister on why the skies over Nagorno-Karabakh continued to remain open during the hostilities. This issue is relevant at least due to the fact that drones actually reigned supreme in the skies over Karabakh, the use of which by Azerbaijan caused huge damage to the Armenian troops.

    Trying to justify the actual inaction, Nikol Pashinyan said that the electronic warfare systems, acquired in 2017 for $ 42 million, allegedly did not work. At the same time, Pashinyan does not say against what specific goals the electronic countermeasures systems were tried to be used, from what distance and why nothing was reported about "inoperability" in the military department. He also does not say what kind of electronic warfare systems he has in mind.

    Pashinyan blamed the problem on those who made a deal to acquire "non-working" military equipment, and added that "there was even a rollback so that Su-30 fighters were supplied to Armenia instead of these systems."

    Pashinyan: Did you buy non-working systems without a rollback out of the best intentions and nobility?

    Pashinyan's statement is commented on not only in Armenia itself, but also in Russia and Azerbaijan. The Azerbaijani press, playing on the well-known phrase about the problems of a "bad dancer", noted with some irony that Pashinyan was "prevented from defeating Russian weapons ." Although Pashinyan did not say that he meant exactly Russian complexes.

    In Russia, experts state that Pashinyan continues to try to shift responsibility for the problems that arose in Karabakh onto others, including his predecessors who signed military-technical contracts.

    Pashinyan's statement was reacted even in Poland, where observer Mateusz Kubiak notes that while Pashinyan continues to look for those responsible for the defeat in Karabakh, "his political fate is in the balance."

    Earlier it was reported that the Armed Forces of Armenia and the Armed Forces of the unrecognized Nagorno-Karabakh Republic received their own Shgarsh jammers. When these systems were presented at one of the exhibitions, it was stated that with their use drones "lose the ability to navigate in space." The electronic warfare system developed in Armenia, as previously reported, allows "jamming the signal" at a distance of up to 30 km. In directional mode, signal jamming can be carried out at a distance of up to 60 km. In this regard, the Chet discusses the question of where was the Shgarsh electronic warfare system, or did Pashinyan talk about it as not working during the conflict?

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:49 pm

    Placing this in the proper thread.

    Slimy Armphibian faggot Pussynian lies again, and consistently deflects blame from his treason:
    As more time passes, Armenia's beleaguered Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan spills more beans about military defeat in Nagorno-Karabakh conflict zone. He states that radio-electronic warfare systems bought from Russia for $42 million in 2017 did not work.

    https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/politics/20201205/25626648/V-khode-voyny-sistemy-zakrytiya-neba-ne-srabotali-Pashinyan-predstavil-podrobnosti.html
    https://twitter.com/A_Melikishvili/status/1335688700542537730

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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 07, 2020 5:51 pm

    Pussynian can go ahead and invest in NATzO crap. Why should Russia care?

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    Post  Backman Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:32 pm

    What are the chances that Armenia bought an Indian radar system that didn't work, in 2017, for nearly the exact same price as they bought one from Russia that allegedly didn't work ?

    Edit: the sputnik article is awfully short on details. It doesn't even state exactly what system they are talking about. As far as I can tell from the translation

    maybe Pashinyan is confused. Or he's just taking a swipe at Russia. And everyone else that sold him weapons

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Dec 07, 2020 6:43 pm

    Backman wrote:What are the chances that Armenia bought an Indian radar system that didn't work, in 2017,  for nearly the exact same price as they bought one from Russia that allegedly didn't work ?

    maybe Pashinyan is confused. Or he's just taking a swipe at Russia.

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    The cocksucker was shifting blame on everywhere and everyone else but his own spineless treasonous comprador predisposition.

    Leader of the Democratic Party of Armenia: Pashinyan did not give Russia a chance to intervene in the conflict, although Russia was sending signals

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    Post  Isos Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:08 pm

    If they were turned off like the S-300 or used inside a hangar like the Tor it is perfectly normal.

    Someone should tell them that even if they are complexe weapons they still have a on/off switch...

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Dec 07, 2020 7:53 pm


    Pasha is being full of shit as always

    It doesn't matter what Armenia bought since it wouldn't have mattered because Armenian Military didn't take part in the war

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:45 am

    To be clear... what Russia got out of leaders turning west:

    Syria: Russia got to be the good guy and also test a lot of equipment and weapons which in the main have proven rather good yet still cost effective.
    They have cemented their position in Tartus and various airfields in the region... so a definite plus.

    Libya: Russia might play a role directly in fixing this place, but not right now... personally I would hope local countries can help Libya recover and return from the chaos and rebuild... Egypt more than Turkey to be honest. Sad result for the people, but hardly something Russia could have fixed.

    Ukraine: The biggest parasitic tick removed from Russias ass, the billions of investment promised to them to keep their ship afloat can now be directed to helping Russians in Russia. This is an enormous win and with the naval base in Sevastopol and the entire peninsula secured... a massive victory no amount of war and bloodshed could have achieved. This is a huge victory for Russia and a real escape for the people of the Crimea too.

    South Ossetia: This was essentially triggered by Kosovo becoming independent, and was simply a natural result of the status quo. Russia gained some more hard and fast allies against a country turned against them by the west. Probably the best of a bad situation and therefore prevented HATO bases in South Ossetia an Abkhazia instead of just in Georgia.

    In NK: A west leaning leader of Armenia got his arse kicked by Azeri and Turkish forces and he ended up needing Russia to help because there was no help coming from anywhere else. For Russia, well it is increased peace keeper forces in the region, but an agreement regarding access and occupancy. What Armenia does from here is pretty much down to them, Putin does not dictate to such leaders like the west does, but those countries still have to make their own choice... and they can always still make the wrong choice... look at the Ukraine. The people of Libya hardly got a choice when the west acted as the airforce for terrorist groups in the country like they did in Syria.

    There is no disagreement on those points, but the talk is of Russia re-asserting some sort of neocolonial influence in the
    region. Not with 2000 peacekeepers it is not. And Russia serving as a broker for the ceasefire depends on the Azeris
    and Armenians playing along.

    Armenia is a lost cause. It looks like Azerbaijan is not run by stooges.

    So Russia is not acting like the US would and destroying Azeri forces and Turkish forces in the region and setting up enormous bases and shifting borders as they please... I for one say that is a good thing, and for a change the bad guys played it smart... that will sometimes happen, but part of their smart was negotiating a ceasefire agreement with Russia and Armenia... I am sure the US would have loved to have sat in on this and made some demands, but they were smart enough to not get them involved.

    Armenia will get a vote soon enough if they are not happy with their current leader... it is not Putins job to decide who gets control... Russia does not do regime change.

    They support the encumbant no matter how moronic or anti Russian they are, but will let the people decide their own fate... Syria, Belarus... Russia is not tied to Assad or Luka... if those countries vote in someone else Russia will not interfere... why would they?

    Armenia is the best geopolitical comeback in ages. It was achieved through a a cynical calculus and the rationale that Armenia would have no other alternative.

    Russia wants good relations with both countries... picking one country and destroying the other is not going to work unless they invade and send all opposition to Siberia. Of course they are going to favour Armenia, but if Armenia does not help itself, they can default back to impartial too.

    BTW they didn't step in to get a cease fire agreement for Azeribaijans benefit... this was totally to help Armenia and the Armenians in NK that they could still help.

    Experts are discussing a statement by the Armenian Prime Minister

    He is a politician and wants to blame anyone and everyone except himself of course...

    Whether I trust him or not does not matter... it is for Armenia to decide his ultimate fate.

    The cocksucker was shifting blame on everywhere and everyone else but his own spineless treasonous comprador predisposition.

    He is in charge, so ultimately it is his fault...

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:49 am

    Backman wrote:What are the chances that Armenia bought an Indian radar system that didn't work, in 2017,  for nearly the exact same price as they bought one from Russia that allegedly didn't work ?

    Edit: the sputnik article is awfully short on details. It doesn't even state exactly what system they are talking about. As far as I can tell from the translation

    maybe Pashinyan is confused. Or he's just taking a swipe at Russia. And everyone else that sold him weapons

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    Armenia did buy Infauna systems. They were presented in 2016 parade. The same systems have nothing on Drones and were not even deployed in NK.
    Pashinyan is an embarrassement. He shows a weaker leader here than during the fucking war.

    Radars bought from India are deployed in Erevan, they can't do a thing. Also that tweet is just Pakistani BS.

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    Post  jhelb Wed Dec 09, 2020 2:26 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:Self-proiclaimed Artsakh Repiublic's forces have lost the war cause the huge command, numerical and qualitative overmatch (in particular in the critical special forces department that has been decisive in the battle
    Precisely the same reason why last June China was able to inflict such massive losses on India and occupied 300 kms of Indian territory.

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