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    Post  par far on Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:53 pm

    In a article by Hillary Clinton, one thing that the US has and Russia and China does not have is, military bases overseas and vassal states.

    And according to Hitlery Clinton, the US should/will use these bases and vassals against Russia and China.

    How can Russia and China deal with these US bases and vassals states?

    According to Hitlery Clinton, NATO will be used more against Russia and China, how can Russia and China deal with this?

    Hillary Clinton – the “grey cardinal” and failed US President – published a program text in the authoritative American magazine “Foreign Policy”, which can and should be considered a real strategy of the American “deep state” in restoring American world hegemony.....

    However, pointing to certain “Trumpian” changes in the democratic political discourse, it is impossible not to note the iron consistency in terms of maintaining a focus only on confrontation — judging by Mrs. Clinton’s text, the idea of peaceful coexistence with China and Russia, not to mention any substantive cooperation or detente, simply does not occur to her. Even diplomacy is perceived by the former head of the State Department primarily as a tool that provides a more convenient opportunity for forceful pressure. For example, when criticising the Trump administration for failing to work with allies, she cites the following example of proper diplomacy:

    “A renewed commitment to diplomacy would strengthen the United States’ military position. U.S. alliances are an asset that neither China nor Russia can match, allowing Washington to project force around the world. When I was secretary of state, for example, we secured an agreement to base 2,500 U.S. marines in northern Australia, near the contested sea-lanes of the South China Sea.”

    By and large, the world will see a reformatting of the tribute that the US is trying to shake out from its vassals, and if Trump (as a real businessman) preferred payment in the form of money (which is why Clinton accuses him of turning NATO into a “racketeer” business), the more refined approach of the Democratic establishment is that vassals will pay both in money and, so to speak, in kind – in the form of actions that can help the US gain some military advantages over China or Russia."


    https://www.stalkerzone.org/clinton-publishes-americas-plan-for-peace-good-news-for-russia/

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    Post  nomadski on Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:33 pm


    I used to think that physical expulsion of American bases from, say ME , was a way of securing peace in the region. Well, this is true only if the Americans use these bases for active operations.

    Say in Iraq , they block a road into Syria . Or give support to extremists. Or assassinate an official. These are active operations. And removing them , would remove the immediate problem locally.

    But they can be active in other ways. Say they hijack an oil Tanker on the High seas. So then, what good is it, that their base was removed from Iraq?

    But if they suffered casualties as a result of their actions, at any location on Earth , then it does not matter as much, if they do or do not have bases in some country. They simply can not act with impunity.

    So as well as having ability to strike locally against them. We must have ability to strike globally against them. Then their bases are useless. Out of action.

    Iran needs to have ability to strike at America itself. With ICBM and with long range ship and submarines. This is far easier than trying to remove every American base, from region. Against wishes of local population. QED.

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:50 am

    In a article by Hillary Clinton, one thing that the US has and Russia and China does not have is, military bases overseas and vassal states.

    I can understand that bitch wanting Russia to repeat all the mistakes America made, but what exactly is in it for Russia to listen to her?

    She has no interest in making Russia stronger or better... of course she is going to suggest they get a bloated military budget that does nothing for the defence of the country but certainly creates opportunities for certain people to line their pockets...

    And according to Hitlery Clinton, the US should/will use these bases and vassals against Russia and China.

    Which will lead to the countries that tolerate US forces on their territory to wonder why they continue to tolerate US forces there if they just want to stir up shit and poke the Bear and the Dragon.

    Why listen to her... she has never been US president... Twisted Evil

    How can Russia and China deal with these US bases and vassals states?

    By doing nothing and let idiots like Hillary encourage their misuse and abuse so they cost them even more to maintain and operate and keep them spread out and easy to attack from multiple directions and for lots of different reasons.

    Bases around the world are bleeding the US of funds they could be using for other more urgent things like infrastructure in their own country or even making healthcare affordable and accessible...

    Ignoring the needs of their own people to play their stupid game of thrones type battles with other countries will bite them in the ass... eventually the American people will realise they are the victims and are being played and that if they don't actually do something about it it will just continue until there is no money left and they will be left to pay the debts...

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    Post  PhSt on Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:42 pm

    Which will lead to the countries that tolerate US forces on their territory to wonder why they continue to tolerate US forces there if they just want to stir up shit and poke the Bear and the Dragon.

    Be careful with these perceptions, there are a lot of gullible people that are easily influenced by US/NATO propaganda. As an example, Germany, Japan, and South Korea have been hosting American military bases for decades, did the majority of the population questioned why their government tolerate US forces? and even when there are protests like the ones in Okinawa, these are miniscule events that are easily ignored both by the US and Puppet government of these vassal countries. In the Philippines, US bases have been kicked out in 1991, however, the US is quick to sign a treaty with the Philippine puppet government to allow rotational deployment of US military assets in the country, and according to polls, a huge majority of the Philippine population views the US positively, this is despite all the information out there exposing America as a fraud, warmongering, and corrupt entity. The election of Duterte who is anti US probably caught the Americans by surprise, but since he started office the Americans already activated their 5th column agents inside the country to disrupt his government. Duterte only has until 2022 and a new president will be elected, the US is already grooming their next puppet whom they can command to take on policies that will be hostile to China. Aquino (president from 2010 to 2016), who imposed a broad anti China policy is a good example of a US puppet. A month before the Philippine presidential election back in 2010, Time magazine made an article talking about how he can "SAVE" the country. It's like Time Magazine already knew that he will win the election Rolling Eyes

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:11 pm

    I think this belongs here.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:35 pm

    We are still leaving 2k behind in Iraq and Afghan.

    We are pulling thousands of men out of each country yes but it's not a total withdrawal, it's pretty much a moot point since I imagine Biden will just send them right back.
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    Post  par far on Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:51 pm

    nomadski wrote:
    I used to think that physical expulsion of American  bases from, say ME ,  was a way of securing  peace in the region. Well, this is true only if  the Americans use these bases  for active operations.

    Say in Iraq ,  they  block  a road  into  Syria . Or give support to extremists. Or assassinate  an official. These are active operations. And removing them , would remove the immediate problem locally.

    But they can be active in other ways. Say they hijack an oil Tanker on the High seas. So then, what good is it, that their base was removed from Iraq?

    But if they suffered casualties as a result of their actions, at any location on Earth , then it does not  matter as much, if they do or do not have bases in some country. They simply can not act with impunity.

    So as well as having ability to strike locally against them. We must have ability to strike globally against them. Then their bases are useless. Out of action.

    Iran needs to have ability to strike at America itself. With ICBM and with long range ship and submarines. This is far easier than trying to remove every American base, from region. Against wishes of local population. QED.




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    Post  par far on Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:59 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    In a article by Hillary Clinton, one thing that the US has and Russia and China does not have is, military bases overseas and vassal states.

    I can understand that bitch wanting Russia to repeat all the mistakes America made, but what exactly is in it for Russia to listen to her?

    She has no interest in making Russia stronger or better... of course she is going to suggest they get a bloated military budget that does nothing for the defence of the country but certainly creates opportunities for certain people to line their pockets...

    And according to Hitlery Clinton, the US should/will use these bases and vassals against Russia and China.

    Which will lead to the countries that tolerate US forces on their territory to wonder why they continue to tolerate US forces there if they just want to stir up shit and poke the Bear and the Dragon.

    Why listen to her... she has never been US president...  Twisted Evil

    How can Russia and China deal with these US bases and vassals states?

    By doing nothing and let idiots like Hillary encourage their misuse and abuse so they cost them even more to maintain and operate and keep them spread out and easy to attack from multiple directions and for lots of different reasons.

    Bases around the world are bleeding the US of funds they could be using for other more urgent things like infrastructure in their own country or even making healthcare affordable and accessible...

    Ignoring the needs of their own people to play their stupid game of thrones type battles with other countries will bite them in the ass... eventually the American people will realise they are the victims and are being played and that if they don't actually do something about it it will just continue until there is no money left and they will be left to pay the debts...


    Good points Garry, the one thing that Russia and China should be doing is, they should be working(like the US does), is set up their propaganda against NATO militaries.

    One place they should target is the veterans of the NATO militaries, after service most live shitty lives, some are homeless, some are drug addicted and some struggle to make simple ends meet and they get no support from the governement.

    Here in Canada there are veterans that cannot afford groceries, they have to rely on Legion(a veteran help house), I know a veteran whose electricity was about to be cut off and he got some support from the Legion.

    While the refugees and the migrants are getting free money and free everything, the veterans in NATO get nothing(kind of karma), this is something that should be targeted.

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    Post  par far on Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:01 pm

    PhSt wrote:
    Which will lead to the countries that tolerate US forces on their territory to wonder why they continue to tolerate US forces there if they just want to stir up shit and poke the Bear and the Dragon.

    Be careful with these perceptions, there are a lot of gullible people that are easily influenced by US/NATO propaganda. As an example, Germany, Japan, and South Korea have been hosting American military bases for decades, did the majority of the population questioned why their government tolerate US forces? and even when there are protests like the ones in Okinawa, these are miniscule events that are easily ignored both by the US and Puppet government of these vassal countries. In the Philippines, US bases have been kicked out in 1991, however, the US is quick to sign a treaty with the Philippine puppet government to allow rotational deployment of US military assets in the country, and according to polls, a huge majority of the Philippine population views the US positively, this is despite all the information out there exposing America as a fraud, warmongering, and corrupt entity. The election of Duterte who is anti US probably caught the Americans by surprise, but since he started office the Americans already activated their 5th column agents inside the country to disrupt his government. Duterte only has until 2022 and a new president will be elected, the US is already grooming their next puppet whom they can command to take on policies that will be hostile to China. Aquino (president from 2010 to 2016), who imposed a broad anti China policy is a good example of a US puppet. A month before the Philippine presidential election back in 2010, Time magazine made an article talking about how he can "SAVE" the country. It's like Time Magazine already knew that he will win the election Rolling Eyes

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    The way to deal with this, to squeeze them economically.
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:42 am

    Be careful with these perceptions, there are a lot of gullible people that are easily influenced by US/NATO propaganda.

    The pampered are often the most gullible... tell them as european they are the most civilised and most technologically advanced people in the world, and they will think they are well informed and above propaganda... unlike those stupid ignorant masses in the Soviet Union who believed everything their governments told them...

    Civilised and advanced remember...

    As an example, Germany, Japan, and South Korea have been hosting American military bases for decades, did the majority of the population questioned why their government tolerate US forces?

    Which makes them weak vassals that Russia really does not need to worry too much about... if they start getting delusions of grandeur and think that in this new multipolar world they could possibly form one of those poles and get a seat at the big table the US will smack them down and put them back where they belong and they will be so used to doing what they are told they will just quietly go back to the kids seat...

    and even when there are protests like the ones in Okinawa, these are miniscule events that are easily ignored both by the US and Puppet government of these vassal countries.

    Who knows how deep seated and popular such things are... the western media will never be honest about such things... perhaps one day it will explode and the people will get their say... if not then the convict walks back into their own cell and closes the door... no need to lock it any more the convict is broken.

    In the Philippines, US bases have been kicked out in 1991, however, the US is quick to sign a treaty with the Philippine puppet government to allow rotational deployment of US military assets in the country, and according to polls, a huge majority of the Philippine population views the US positively, this is despite all the information out there exposing America as a fraud, warmongering, and corrupt entity. The election of Duterte who is anti US probably caught the Americans by surprise, but since he started office the Americans already activated their 5th column agents inside the country to disrupt his government. Duterte only has until 2022 and a new president will be elected, the US is already grooming their next puppet whom they can command to take on policies that will be hostile to China. Aquino (president from 2010 to 2016), who imposed a broad anti China policy is a good example of a US puppet. A month before the Philippine presidential election back in 2010, Time magazine made an article talking about how he can "SAVE" the country. It's like Time Magazine already knew that he will win the election

    The situation is not always clear to everyone... but eventually like in Venezuela people start to realise that despite the rhetoric some governments really don't do anything to solve the problems of the poor majority and only the minority with money can take advantage of the system to make more money.

    There will be lots of countries jumping on the anti China train... but eventually they are going to realise it takes them further and further away from their interests and the conductor seems to be drunk and owes everyone on the train money and starts talking about offering payment in money he printed himself this morning...

    How long can he keep all those balls in the air...

    We are pulling thousands of men out of each country yes but it's not a total withdrawal, it's pretty much a moot point since I imagine Biden will just send them right back.

    The Taleban will approve of the withdrawal, but might take them being sent back by Biden as a hostile act that requires a response...

    While the refugees and the migrants are getting free money and free everything, the veterans in NATO get nothing(kind of karma), this is something that should be targeted.

    Worse than that, your veterans would get better treatment and living conditions and healthcare support if they committed crimes... how sad is that... and it is not just veterans but most of the elderly...

    The way to deal with this, to squeeze them economically.

    Expose their bullshit, and take them for every penny they want to throw at the Russia/China problem...

    Make funded agitation for foreign powers a criminal offense with fines tens of thousands of times higher than any normal offence... use the money generated from those fines to support the victims of the offense, or vulnerable groups.
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    Post  ahmedfire on Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:48 pm

    By encouraging US to make more bases ,they are spending 25 billion $ just to keep the overseas bases a live .

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