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    Post  George1 on Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:31 am

    I made some thoughts about Tu-22M3M weapons

    1. Since it can carry cruise missiles only in its external stations (rotary launcher can carry only the Kh-15) it would be useful to be modernized to carry long range Kh-555 LACMs. (about 4-6?)
    It has no need to carry smaller, medium range missiles (Kh-31, Kh-35, Kh-59) since they can be carried from Su-34 or even Su-35 and these aircrafts have air to air capabilities to survive against enemy aircrafts. Kh-32 also has heavier WH, and greater range than Yakont

    2. Guided missiles would make a difference. Tu-22M3 attitude is smaller than other bombers, but the increased accuracy of tactical bombing will be a positive.

    3. Kh-32 Anti-ship/Anti-Radiation missile would be still its main weapon of all Tu-22M3s

    So we can have 2 main benefits. Strategic strike capability + Accuracy in tactical bombing

    Concerning the Kh-15, it would be interesting to see a new version of this missile to be carried by modern fighters as a tactical nuclear weapon like French ASMP missile
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:43 am

    The tactical nukes... the point of the Russian upgrade of their military technology is to move away from nukes to weapons they could actually use and deploy overseas.

    Having said that short of fighting NATO or the US I would think missiles would be useful for the Tu-22M3 because of the standoff range it gives them, but in low intensity combat they would make ideal bomb trucks with its bomb capacity of 24 tons with up to 69 250kg bombs actually comparable to B-52 loads.

    The use of satellite guided bombs as well as TV and IR and laser guided bombs makes the Tu-22M3 the ideal medium bomber for dealing with problems in neighbouring countries.

    For instance when the US leaves if the Afghan government wants air support against taleban forces then a Tu-22M3 bombing run using satellite guided bombs with the target coordinates passed to the aircraft from forward observers within the Afghan units has proved effective. When you move forces into a region the enemy can either form up and oppose them which makes them an excellent target for air power, or they can run away which means the bombers can drop delayed action bombs in their escape routes.

    Certainly conventionally armed cruise missiles like Kh-555 and Kh-102 would be very useful but the Kh-32 is likely to remain its primary weapon.
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Aug 17, 2012 11:31 am

    http://www.armstass.su/?page=article&aid=109513&cid=25

    Good news, this year 4 Tu-22M3s will recieve Gefest&T upgrade.
    Looks like the company has made a big breakthrough with MOD, considering this and the Su-24M deals.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:08 pm

    This is good news.

    So with a contract for four more aircraft to upgrade that means they will have 5 upgraded aircraft.

    To be clear the Tu-22M3 theatre bomber was a strike aircraft with area bombing capabilities.

    In other words it would be used to hit enemy large fixed targets like SAM sites and major command centres or air bases.

    Its primary weapon was a family of missiles called Kh-22 and later Kh-22M which had a range of warheads and seekers depending on the mission.

    To take out an HQ it would have inertial guidance to a grid square and a nuclear warhead, while for the anti radiation mission it would have a passive radar seeker as a super anti radiation missile.

    There was also an active radar homing missile that could target large buildings/structures or ships at sea.

    All three could be used in naval strike with the first missiles being active radar homing or targeting a grid square of ocean with conventional and nuclear warheads respectively. Then once the enemy was alerted the passive radar homing missiles could be used against the ships too.

    Any bombing done by the aircraft would be the equivalent of carpet bombing with relatively small 250kg or 500kg bombs in large numbers to cover an area where the target was expected to be.

    This new upgrade adds accurate navigation equipment and also a computer controlled bombing aim point so specific individual targets can be engaged accurately.

    It raises bombing accuracy with dumb bombs to near LGB accuracy in clear weather and good conditions.

    When you can carry 24 tons of dumb bombs that makes the aircraft rather potent.

    Its payload options include up to 69 250kg bombs which is comparable to some models of B-52, though over a shorter range.

    If they are going to upgrade 30 Tu-22M3s with the standard upgrade (ie Tu-23M3M) then it would be nice to see them also upgrade a force of 20 or so for the bomb truck role with this upgrade.

    Against 3rd world opponents with no air defence above 5,000m such aircraft would be very useful with a heavy cheap payload. With relatively cheap satellite guided bombs accuracy would become all weather and more precise for little extra expense, plus the prospects of glide kits for the bombs would make them even more interesting.

    The main issue is engines, as I have mentioned before a new 5th gen bomber engine could be made more viable if it is developed the way they are developing the PAK FAs engines and putting modified versions on the Su-35s and Su-34s.

    Developing a new engine would not be cheap, but being able to put mid stage improved test models on Tu-160s (4 each) and Tu-22M3 (2 each) would maximise the benefits and improvements in performance.

    I mean imagine a new 5th generation engine the same size as the NK-32 with a thrust of 34 tons in full AB but a dry thrust of 25 tons without being any heavier.

    In fact perhaps even being lighter than the old NK-32.

    The result would be a Tu-160 that could super cruise at its current top speed!

    Equally for the Tu-23M3 if it could use the same engines it could reap the same benefits.

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    Post  Austin on Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:47 pm

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:14 am

    That chart is pretty impressive there Austin...

    The Kh-32 seems to have excellent range (600km) and greatly increased speed (5,400km/h) with the same weight and dimensions.

    5,400km/h = 1.5km/s = Mach 4.7.

    So when we talk about the US introducing hypersonic weapons in 10 years time we are ignoring the fact that the Russians already have a practically hypersonic weapon in service...
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    Post  Austin on Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:30 am

    Garry I am really not sure how correct the information in the chart is.

    Yefim Gordon says the KH-32 flies at 44 Km altitude over Kh-22 22 Km altitude , that almost 20 Km higher !

    I think the gain in range from 350 to 600 km is by flying and gliding higher , the Kh-32 also has intelligent seeker and hits at higher speed , So it could be Mach 4 plus.

    True hypersonic platforms like Zircon-S would actually fly between Mach 5 and 7

    All in All impressive system , I wonder if flying that higher makes it more vulnerable to detection and interception ?

    Here is Yefim Gordon on Kh-32

    Kh-32 - a conventionally-armed deep upgrade variant of Kh-22 for modernised Tu-22M3

    The principal weapon of modernised Tu-22M3 will be the Kh-32 supersonic air-to-surface missile developed by NPO Raduga as an upgrade of the familiar Kh-22. It features an improved rocket motor and a new seeker head.

    The old Kh-22 anti-shipping missile was severely handicapped by its short range - a few hundred kilometers, that is, within visual range for a high flying aircraft. Over-the-horizon attacks were all but impossible, as the Kh-22's seeker head could not find the target.

    Raguda's new Kh-32 is the solution. While the Kh-22 climbs to 22000m and accelerates to about 3600 km/h on the way to target, the Kh-32 at first soars up almost to space an altitude of some 44 km/27.3 miles then "looks beyond the horizon", detecting the target at 600 km or even 1000 km range. The warhead/seeker of the new missile is much smarter as it can classify the targets and select the priority target, which is the highest value target in a fleet. Usually, this would be an aircraft carrier or a guided missile cruiser.

    Also the Kh-32 closes on the target at much higher speed, which makes it impossible to intercept. In Russia that this missile and the Tu-22M3 modernisation to carry it are considered a serious military deterrent and an effective weapon against the most powerful carrier task force. Test of the Kh-32 were successful Kh-32 - a conventionally-armed deep upgrade variant of Kh-22 for modernised Tu-22M3

    The principal weapon of modernised Tu-22M3 will be the Kh-32 supersonic air-to-surface missile developed by NPO Raduga as an upgrade of the familiar Kh-22. It features an improved rocket motor and a new seeker head.

    The old Kh-22 anti-shipping missile was severely handicapped by its short range - a few hundred kilometers, that is, within visual range for a high flying aircraft. Over-the-horizon attacks were all but impossible, as the Kh-22's seeker head could not find the target.

    Raguda's new Kh-32 is the solution. While the Kh-22 climbs to 22000m and accelerates to about 3600 km/h on the way to target, the Kh-32 at first soars up almost to space an altitude of some 44 km/27.3 miles then "looks beyond the horizon", detecting the target at 600 km or even 1000 km range. The warhead/seeker of the new missile is much smarter as it can classify the targets and select the priority target, which is the highest value target in a fleet. Usually, this would be an aircraft carrier or a guided missile cruiser.

    Also the Kh-32 closes on the target at much higher speed, which makes it impossible to intercept. In Russia that this missile and the Tu-22M3 modernisation to carry it are considered a serious military deterrent and an effective weapon against the most powerful carrier task force. Test of the Kh-32 were successfully completed back in late 1990 in so doing the long range aviation worked in close co-operation with the Navy, which willingly supplied decommissioned warships as targets.[6]ly completed back in late 1990 in so doing the long range aviation worked in close co-operation with the Navy, which willingly supplied decommissioned warships as targets.[6]
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Sep 25, 2012 3:40 am

    Interesting news.

    I read recently that the Backfires can't carry the new X-101/102 missiles, but apparently they can carry the X-555
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:41 am

    Never seen the Tu-22M carry subsonic cruise missiles, just Kh-22/21 and Kh-15.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:30 am

    I must say I have only ever seen Backfires with Kh-15, Kh-22M, and dumb bombs on multiple ejector racks.

    With its new upgrade however it should be able to carry a range of new weapon options including guided bombs and new missiles.

    The internal weapons bay is too small for any cruise missiles including Kh-55 or Kh-555... it is only big enough for Kh-15 or similar sized bomb (FAB-1,500 or so).

    I have seen drawings of twin cruise missile loads on four external hard points, and in terms of weight that should be a possible loadout, but of course there is a world of difference between could and does.

    I remember a picture from Carlos Kopp that showed the comparison between the F-111 and a Tu-22M3, which basically showed two F-111s with inflight refuelling with 8 cruise missiles as a payload over a 2,000km flight radius, with a single Tu-22M3 with 8 cruise missiles and no inflight refuelling with similar flight performance.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:36 am

    I suspect the Tu-22M had longer supersonic sustainability, no?
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    Post  Cyberspec on Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:45 am

    GarryB wrote:I must say I have only ever seen Backfires with Kh-15, Kh-22M, and dumb bombs on multiple ejector racks.

    It might be able to carry a couple of larger missiles externally OR the reported X-555 was a misprint and they meant X-15's

    Правда, Х-101 все же получилась тяжелее Х-555 примерно в три-четыре раза. Поэтому нести ее могут только стратегические ракетоносцы Ту-160 и Ту-95. Бомбардировщик Ту-22 ее не поднимет. Вот поэтому «Бэкфайр» пока останется со старыми Х-555, — пояснил собеседник «Известий».

    http://izvestia.ru/news/535063
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    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:19 am

    Izvestia strikes again!
    I wonder what source would refer to the Tu-22 as Backfire?
    Never seen Tu-22M carry Kh-55/SM, let alone Kh-555.
    Not to mention, Kh-555 is not an old missile as far as the inventory goes.
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    Post  GarryB on Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:36 am

    I rather suspect they mean Kh-555s which will be the new conventional armed cruise missiles to use up the Kh-55 missile bodies.

    The Kh-555 has the same terminal accuracy as the Kh-101 because it uses the same guidance and navigation systems, but the Kh-555 reportedly has a range of 3,500km while the Kh-101 has a range of more than 5,500km.

    The Kh-555 is much lighter than the Kh-101 and is smaller too so it will be compatible with the internal launchers of the Bear.

    The Tu-22M3 could carry up to three Kh-22M missiles which weigh 7 tons each, and the front bomb racks they hung under the engine nacelles could carry 9 x 500kg bombs which means it could carry 4.5 tons too, so I really don't see any practical weight problem with carrying 8 Kh-555s from the wing and engine nacelle weapon pylons, with two on each pylon. Equally it should be able to carry at least 4 Onyks missiles from the same locations.

    The internal bomb bay can carry 6 missiles of the Kh-15 size or about the size of a KAB-1500 type weapon.

    I suspect a normal load would be 4 Kh-555 plus 6 1.5 ton guided bombs in the bomb bay, or 4 Onyx/Brahmos plus up to 6 1.5 ton bombs in the bomb bay, or 2 Kh-32s.

    It is an impressive aircraft that is fairly widely underrated by some.

    AFAIK it can carry 69 FAB-250s which is comparable to the load a B-52 can carry... of course it can carry it only over a shorter range, but it you reinstalled the inflight refuelling capability you can get that back.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:41 am

    GarryB wrote:

    I suspect a normal load would be 4 Kh-555 plus 6 1.5 ton guided bombs in the bomb bay, or 4 Onyx/Brahmos plus up to 6 1.5 ton bombs in the bomb bay, or 2 Kh-32s.


    4 Onyx difficult since it does the job with much more heavier and supersonic Kh-32.
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    Post  Austin on Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:09 am

    So what is the range of Kh-101 , I though it was 5500-6000 km but Izevesta is quoting at 10000 km.

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    Post  TR1 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 9:16 am

    Austin wrote:So what is the range of Kh-101 , I though it was 5500-6000 km but Izevesta is quoting at 10000 km.


    Izvestia has gone full retard a while ago.
    We should make Izvestia articles a ban worthy offense Very Happy.

    Kidding, but seriously, they have zero credibility now.
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    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 05, 2012 2:14 am

    Russian Air Force to Hunt for Aircraft Carriers

    Long-range airplanes Tu-22M3 of Russian Air Force will be involved in destruction of sea targets. Such airplanes effectively engaged training targets at the recent Northern Fleet's exercise, a source in Russian Navy Main HQ told Izvestiya. Now they will resume performing of their main tasks, i.e. destruction of enemy warships, primarily aircraft carriers.

    "Earlier on, those airplanes served within Russian Navy. But in 2011 they were reassigned to Air Force. Now pilots will execute sea-related tasks again", explained the staff officer.

    As was told Izvestiya at Air Force Main HQ, all available (about 40) airplanes Tu-22M3 will be meant for antiship missions.

    "As a matter of fact, this airplane was designed just as 'flattop killer'. But after the breakup of the Soviet Union, those tasks fell into the shade. Even more, naval aircraft became a kind of a stepchild", said the source.

    Recall that Tu-22M was introduced in 1969, in the height of the Cold War, as a platform for supersonic missile Kh-22 designed to counter American aircraft carriers. To find a large-size ship on sea surface, the missile was equipped with radio-contrast homing system. Several years later, the missile was upgraded to engage land targets.

    However, antiship function of airplanes was rarely used right up to 2012; latest missile launches at sea targets were held in 1989. Therefore, all Tu-22M3 pilots including those who were reassigned to Air Force are learning to engage warships from scratch.

    "Until 2012 pilots of our air group had no even theoretical skills of oversea flights. We used to practice only attacks upon land targets. Now we can orientate and search enemy ships. In April we practiced launches of Kh-22N missiles at sea targets", one of pilots told Izvestiya.

    As for him, since early 2012, Tu-22M3 aircraft perform monthly patrols over the Sea of Japan and the Barents Sea.

    "In prospect, it is planned that long-range aviation will engage opponent's naval targets with all available assets. Tu-22M3 will hunt for ships, and strategic missile-carrying aircraft Tu-95 and Tu-160 will destroy ports and naval bases", the Russian Navy's spokesman told Izvestiya.

    As for him, Tu-22M3 airplanes are capable to detect and attack enemy warships 2,000 km away from home base; Tu-95MS and Tu-160 with new cruise missiles Kh-101 will be able to destroy even the most protected naval bases 10,000 km away from launching site. So far, Russian Navy surface and submarine forces have no such capability except nuclear arms which are not used in conventional conflicts.

    According to chief editor of the Takeoff magazine Vladimir Scherbakov, Air Force's long-range aircraft will multiply combat capability of Russian Navy by several times.

    "In Soviet Navy, it was submarines and missile-carrying aircraft to destroy enemy ship groups at long distances. Today, submarine fleet has been considerably reduced and cannot perform this kind of tasks. After reassignment of naval missile-carrying aircraft to the Air Force, long-range bombers were the only component capable to accomplish that mission", Scherbakov told Izvestiya.

    According to British catalog Military Balance, Russian Air Force currently operates 16 aircraft Tu-160, 32 aircraft Tu-95MS (including mothballed ones), and 115 bombers Tu-22M3 with only 40 operable.

    http://rusnavy.com/news/navy/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=16072
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    Interesting.
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:56 pm

    Umm OK what is that? Suspect 

    It looks rather like an AS-5 Kelt, albeit with a short fin at the bottom that the vanilla Kelt doesn't have?.

    Problem is I thought all those missiles were withdrawn from service; perhaps a few of the anti-radar variants are still in use?
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    Post  TR1 on Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:09 am

    That is likely the mighty Kh-32!
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    Post  Viktor on Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:30 am

    One of best pictures of Tu-22M3/Kh-32 thumbsup
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    Post  flamming_python on Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:22 am

    Ah yes it makes sense that it would be a Kh-22/32.
    I just didn't know how they looked until I checked just now.
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    Post  Austin on Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:10 pm

    First pictures of Kh-32 released seen on Tu-22M3 , Range is 600-1000 km , Speed Mach 3.3-4 , Max Altitude 40 km Kh-32

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    Post  TR1 on Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:05 pm

    Those photos have been floating around for a while, though it was unclear if it was indeed Kh-32.

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