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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:56 am

    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2 - Page 34 Emu8t610
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    + some BMP-2´s

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    Post  franco Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:09 pm

    The BMP-2's would be part of the 102nd Military Base stationed already in Armenia along with any tanks or MRL's seen. Suspect they are deployed to secure the Lachin corridor while the 15th Brigade are deploying into the region from Russia.
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    Post  medo Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:35 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Regular wrote:There are already pictures from Russian peacekeepers

    They are very graphic.. Armenians didn't even collect their dead.. and they really got massacred, it's not the first pictures of Armenian soldiers piled up on  roadside that were posted..
    There was one week ago after the drones hunted them down..

    https://twitter.com/StasSwanky/status/1327384003117191170

    They went in like fucking headless chicken to Shusha. Anna guys saved themselves by just looking at the side of the road.

    A lot of this is due to total lack of military basics.

    I think we will need some time to see, how big this Pashinyan's betrayal was. It was long in the making. Pashinyan dissmissed almost all veteran generals, who were schooled un USSR/Russia and placethose, who have some courses in the west. Pashinyan surrender Artzakh to Turks and they start war, when Russia was occupied with Belarus and Baltics. There were a lot of voluntiers, who come to Armenia at the beginning of war, but Pashinyan send them home, saying they will call them, when they will need them and they never called voluntiers. Some succede to go to Artrzakh on their own, but they were unarmed and without commandres. Pashinyan simply did nothing and is waiting in his office, that Artzakh fell in the hands of Turkey. Between those, who were killed, they were mostly young Artzakh conscripts and some older veteran voluntiers. By some informations, it was Pashinyan, who order to remove defense commander of Artzakh general Harutyunyan, who was wounded, when his car explode.

    Artzakh is small and have only 150.000 of citizens. They have to fihght alone against so large enemy of Azerbaijan, Turkey and ISIS and with such a traitor behind them. In such conditions they become clear, that only Russia could save they and that they have to survive and defend themselves until Russia intervene. They succede and Russian amry is now there. Artzakh didn't fall as it was planned by Aliev, Erdogan and Pashinyan. This is victory for Artzakh. In those circumastances, Russian intervention was the only solution to save Artzakh and it happened. Russia will not allow new genocide over Armenians in Artzakh, so Azerbaijan will not get it. Now we have to wait, that Russia bring all planed forces in Artzakh, than they will start fulfiling their decisions.

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    Post  medo Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:54 pm

    One interesting story.

    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5e304957fc77ce3ea9c6874a/russkie-boicy-ne-pozvolila-azerbaidjanu-vziat-shushi--tureckie-smi-5fad66c4d3198f35f7314d0d

    Некоторые СМИ с подачи турецкого источника начали рассказывать своим читателям удивительную историю о «русских богатырях». Бравые 300 спартанцев из ЧВК «Вагнер» заставили отступить огромную армию Азербайджана.

    Газета Türkiye опубликовала недавно историю о «блондинах с голубыми глазами», которые встали на защиту Нагорного Карабаха. Подхватив сюжет, турецкие СМИ заговорили о присутствии ЧВК «Вагнер» на поле боя.

    Спустя недолгое время слухи о «вагнеровцах» вышли за пределы страниц турецких газет. Некоторые российские либеральные издания (в частности, «Кавказский узел») попытались поймать волну и определить присутствие бойцов в Нагорном Карабахе по косвенным признакам. Так появился еще один забавный момент: везде, где Армия обороны Арцаха действовала успешно и сбивала большое количество турецких ударных беспилотников, это было заслугой «вагнеровцев». Сторонники этой версии утверждают: азербайджанские войска так боялись русских добровольцев, что узнав, что в Шуши якобы находятся 300 бойцов ЧВК «Вагнера», предпочли не начинать штурм города.

    Однако…после подписания трехстороннего соглашения бойцы «Вагнера» таинственным образом испарились. Получается, что всего 300 бойцов российской ЧВК «Вагнера» успешно противостояли мощной азербайджанской армии, турецким наемникам, а также привезенным с Ближнего Востока террористам. Именно их сопротивление вынудило Азербайджан сесть за стол переговоров и прекратить боевые действия. Это яркий пример мужества и героизма еще со «спартанских» времен. Получается, «вагнеровцы» настолько эффективны, что с легкостью противостоят численно превосходящим силам противника. Удивительно!

    Some media outlets, with the suggestion of a Turkish source, began to tell their readers an amazing story about the "Russian heroes". Brave 300 Spartans from PMC "Wagner" forced the huge army of Azerbaijan to retreat.

    The Türkiye newspaper recently published a story about “blondes with blue eyes” who stood up to defend Nagorno-Karabakh. Picking up the plot, the Turkish media started talking about the presence of PMC "Wagner" on the battlefield.

    After a short time, rumors about the "Wagnerites" went beyond the pages of Turkish newspapers. Some Russian liberal publications (in particular, the "Caucasian Knot") tried to catch the wave and determine the presence of fighters in Nagorno-Karabakh by indirect signs. This is how another funny moment appeared: wherever the Artsakh Defense Army operated successfully and shot down a large number of Turkish attack drones, it was the merit of the "Wagnerites". Supporters of this version claim that the Azerbaijani troops were so afraid of the Russian volunteers that when they learned that there were supposedly 300 fighters of the Wagner PMC in Shushi, they chose not to start an assault on the city.

    However ... after the signing of the trilateral agreement, the Wagner fighters mysteriously disappeared. It turns out that only 300 soldiers of the Russian PMC Wagner successfully resisted the powerful Azerbaijani army, Turkish mercenaries, and terrorists brought from the Middle East. It was their resistance that forced Azerbaijan to sit down at the negotiating table and end hostilities. This is a vivid example of courage and heroism since the "Spartan" times. It turns out that the Wagnerians are so effective that they can easily resist the numerically superior enemy forces. Amazing!
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    Post  Isos Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:51 pm

    It's too late for propaganda videos. The war is over. They lost.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:58 pm

    Ethnic Armenians Prepare to Give Up Homes  

    https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-54943958

    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/14/11/2020/5fafad1d9a794782e46c3222

    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3115421.html   


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cayCdnrHgeU

    Shusha Once Again Key to War and Peace Between Armenia and Azerbaijan

    Karabakh Armistice: Azerbaijani National Triumph, Russian Geopolitical Victory (Part Two)


    Did Peace just Break out in the Caucasus or Did Russia Strong-Arm Armenia into its Orbit?


    The New Truce in Karabakh: Implications for Azerbaijan and the Region
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Nov 14, 2020 8:55 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:...

    Did Peace just Break out in the Caucasus or Did Russia Strong-Arm Armenia into its Orbit?


    Let me see:

    Nikola Mikovic is a freelance journalist living in Serbia. He has written for CGTN, Global Comment, Tsarizm, and Weekly Blitz. Nikola is also a regular contributor to KJ Vids YouTube geopolitical channel. He covers the foreign policies of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, as well as energy issues

    So this is an article by some dumbfuck liberal retard from Belgrade about a topic he knows nothing about and which quotes bloggers who don't even have names?

    Where do you find this shit anyway?




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    Post  lyle6 Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:19 pm

    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2 - Page 34 EmykTU1W4AU3lyX?format=jpg&name=medium

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:40 pm

    Some posters in this thread are pushing revisionist BS about post USSR Armenia. Armenians voted 99.51% in favour of the
    dissolution of the USSR. This is not a minor detail, it is a perfect mirror of the sentiments in Armenia. The post USSR
    regime in Armenia was nationalist and remained until the NATzO occupational regime took over in 2018. The pro-Russian
    Armenia BS is the same as the Yanukovich was a Russian stooge BS.

    Also, spare the corruption trope. NATzO is perfectly fine with corruption as long as the corrupt oligarchs are aligned with it.
    The US is perfectly fine with the Afghanistan heroin production since that heroin serves its interests. If it wasn't they
    would have kept the Taliban policies on poppy plantations intact.

    So, did corruption go away after Pussynian took over? I guess under Yeltsin there was no corruption in Russia. Navalny
    is on the same page as some of the posters in this thread. The morons parading "against" corruption in Yerevan in 2018
    are the sort of useful idiots who also paraded on the Maidan in Ukraine in 2013 and 2014. Unfortunately, these useful
    idiots have a critical mass in the ex-USSR republics and it is not Russia's job to help them.

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    Post  kvs Sat Nov 14, 2020 9:43 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Ethnic Armenians Prepare to Give Up Homes  

    https://www.bbc.com/russian/news-54943958

    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/14/11/2020/5fafad1d9a794782e46c3222

    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3115421.html   


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cayCdnrHgeU

    Shusha Once Again Key to War and Peace Between Armenia and Azerbaijan

    Karabakh Armistice: Azerbaijani National Triumph, Russian Geopolitical Victory (Part Two)


    Did Peace just Break out in the Caucasus or Did Russia Strong-Arm Armenia into its Orbit?



    The New Truce in Karabakh: Implications for Azerbaijan and the Region

    Yeah, those ebil Rosshians screwed over freedom loving Pussynian's Armenia that was on the cusp of joining NATzO. How dare they!
    If NATzO and its fake stream media chorus cared so much about Pussynian's Armenia why did it do a BIG FUCKING ZERO to
    help it?

    And even though Russia acted to secure a peace, it is guilty of "betraying" a NATzO aligned Armenian regime. Hilarious BS designed
    for the consumption of morons by morons.

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    Post  Backman Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:43 pm

    Some of the anti Rus propagandists are just conceding on this war and admitting that Russia won this deal and saved what was left of Nagorno-Karabakh. Some just went right into damage control for Nato, and are spinning ridiculous nonsense. The dumbest one yet is this one:

    Russian Ceasefire Deal in Nagorno-Karabakh Marks Slow, Painful End of Empire in the South Caucasus

    (Article is at the Moscow Times. I cant post links yet)

    If you read the headline, you'd think Russian troops were chased out of Armenia. When in reality, its the exact opposite. Truly pathetic damage control nonsense. Its a slow painful end of empire in the Caucasus for the USA more like. The amount of work they did to get Pussynian in there, to see it go up in smoke in 6 weeks.

    Russia's CSTO treaty only covers Armenia proper as Russia stated early in the war. But Russia still effectively stood up for Nagorno-Karabakh. It went above its treaty obligations. Without deploying actual Russian troops to Nagorno-Karabakh, Armenia was still at risk of losing it all. Granted I dont think Aliyev is greedy or stupid. He knew where to stop.

    If I were an Armenian, I wouldnt want to rely on Aliyev's judgement and mood for peace. Russian troops are really the only muscle behind this peace deal.

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    Post  flamming_python Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:26 am

    Backman wrote:Some of the anti Rus propagandists are just conceding on this war and admitting that Russia won this deal and saved what was left of Nagorno-Karabakh. Some just went right into damage control for Nato, and are spinning ridiculous nonsense. The dumbest one yet is this one:

    Russian Ceasefire Deal in Nagorno-Karabakh Marks Slow, Painful End of Empire in the South Caucasus

    (Article is at the Moscow Times. I cant post links yet)

    If you read the headline, you'd think Russian troops were chased out of Armenia. When in reality, its the exact opposite. Truly pathetic damage control nonsense. Its a slow painful end of empire in the Caucasus for the USA more like. The amount of work they did to get Pussynian in there, to see it go up in smoke in 6 weeks.

    Russia's CSTO treaty only covers Armenia proper as Russia stated early in the war. But Russia still effectively stood up for Nagorno-Karabakh. It went above its treaty obligations. Without deploying actual Russian troops to Nagorno-Karabakh, Armenia was still at risk of losing it all. Granted I dont think Aliyev is greedy or stupid. He knew where to stop.

    If I were an Armenian, I wouldnt want to rely on Aliyev's judgement and mood for peace. Russian troops are really the only muscle behind this peace deal.

    Aliev knows on which side the bread is buttered

    He realizes that Russia needs to save some of Karabakh so that Armenians will not have anything to lose by becoming a NATO client state.

    And he also realizes that Russia tended towards neutrality in this war not out of reverence for international law, but because they view Aliev as a reliable politician that can protect their interests as well.
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    Post  Isos Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:27 am

    Clearly not for peacekeeping operations. Generally peacekeepers are lightly armed for self defence. Russians there heavy weapons, soon Orion armed UAVs and they will probably start flying their mig-29 in NK.

    It's a real invasion force.


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    It looks as though Russia's peacekeeping contingent brought RB-341V Leer-3 electronic warfare systems, which come with Orlan-10 UAVs. They can suppress mobile communications and locate cell phones and other communication systems
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:36 am

    Backman wrote:Some of the anti Rus propagandists are just conceding on this war and admitting that Russia won this deal and saved what was left of Nagorno-Karabakh. Some just went right into damage control for Nato, and are spinning ridiculous nonsense. The dumbest one yet is this one:

    Russian Ceasefire Deal in Nagorno-Karabakh Marks Slow, Painful End of Empire in the South Caucasus

    (Article is at the Moscow Times. I cant post links yet)......

    Don't bother posting, it's from Marc Galleoti a well known liberal retard

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    Post  franco Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:44 am

    Isos wrote:Clearly not for peacekeeping operations. Generally peacekeepers are lightly armed for self defence. Russians there heavy weapons, soon Orion armed UAVs and they will probably start flying their mig-29 in NK.

    It's a real invasion force.


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    It looks as though Russia's peacekeeping contingent brought RB-341V Leer-3 electronic warfare systems, which come with Orlan-10 UAVs. They can suppress mobile communications and locate cell phones and other communication systems

    How did you get from Orlan-10's to Orion? They have exactly one system so far and it is for training. And to fly Mig's over NK they have to cross Azeri air space.
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    Post  franco Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:45 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Backman wrote:Some of the anti Rus propagandists are just conceding on this war and admitting that Russia won this deal and saved what was left of Nagorno-Karabakh. Some just went right into damage control for Nato, and are spinning ridiculous nonsense. The dumbest one yet is this one:

    Russian Ceasefire Deal in Nagorno-Karabakh Marks Slow, Painful End of Empire in the South Caucasus

    (Article is at the Moscow Times. I cant post links yet)......

    Don't bother posting, it's from Marc Galleoti a well known liberal retard


    He did say that it was the dumbest one Smile

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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Nov 15, 2020 12:51 am




    https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1327649004738519042

    Oh my. Armenia’s former National Security Service director, Artur Vanetsyan, has been arrested for allegedly plotting to assassinate Prime Minister Pashinyan, as well as a coup.
    ...
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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:00 am

    I guess Russia disrupting NATzO military aggression plans against itself is the definition of "gangster move". Because submission
    to NATzO and the lunatics in Washington is saintly.

    NATzO is going to have more such failures if just expects everything to fall in its lap. If it wanted to secure Armenia as a colony
    it should have raised a finger to help it. But we already saw in the case of Ukraine that NATzO is not prepared to give serious
    assistance to its new colonies or potential colonies.

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    Post  Backman Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:15 am

    Isos wrote:Clearly not for peacekeeping operations. Generally peacekeepers are lightly armed for self defence. Russians there heavy weapons, soon Orion armed UAVs and they will probably start flying their mig-29 in NK.

    It's a real invasion force.

    53 min
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    These aren't Canadian peace keepers.
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    Post  Backman Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:19 am




    Publicist Sergey Mardan writes about Nagorno-Karabakh, politNavigator reports.

    "Pashinyan led Armenia to defeat in Karabakh. While the Azerbaijani General Staff worked for several years under the leadership of the Turkish military with experience of war against Kurds and Syrians, Yerevan dismissed the entire "Karabagh" clan and began stripping the Armenian army.

    Instead of preparing for a war that has been inevitable for 30 years, building an echeloned defense, accumulating weapons and conducting combat training of military units, Pashinyan led Armenia to democracy. To Western democracy," the author notes.

    "Instead of starting every morning with a map of the world on which Armenia is surrounded by enemies, and then every morning to send Putin a telegram with assurances of loyal feelings, with the wish of health and well-being, Pashinyan did not even fulfill the polite request of the guarantor of the survival of the Armenian people to leave alone his personal friend - Kacharyan," the publicist writes.

    He recalls that in 1660 Armenian merchants brought the famous "Diamond Throne" to the Russian Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich as a sign of loyalty.

    "And their heir, Nikola Pashinyan, did not come to meet Putin at the airport during his visit to Armenia on October 1, 2019, despite the standard diplomatic
    protocol.
    According to the "Eastern protocol" that Pashinyan had to soak up with his mother's milk, it was tantamount to an open insult, which could not go unpunished".

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    Post  kvs Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:17 am

    Pussynian is following the same marching orders as the pro-NATzO clowns in Ukraine.   His first target was to degrade
    the Armenian military since it was a loyalist obstacle to his NATzO occupation agenda.    Unlike in Latin America, where
    the military of many countries has been thoroughly corrupted and staged/stages coups to serve Washington, in Armenia
    and in Ukraine the army was still independent of NATzO control.  

    So Pussynian and his occupational regime are directly responsible for the situation in NK.   And to the prick who posted
    that Russia pulled a gangster move, go and fly a kite you propagandist.   You never once raised any of these issues
    and went after Russia right from the start.   You are a pro-NATzO clown who poses on this board as not being one.

    From the events in Armenia it appears that the NATzO occupational regime is not going to go and will instead arrest
    all of the "coup plotters".   So Russia by no means put any control on Armenia.   It remains a Georgia style anti-Russian
    toilet.   Those 2,000 peacekeepers are there for the sake of NK.   I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
    will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
    happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
    That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them.

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    Post  nero Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:28 am

    Isos wrote:Clearly not for peacekeeping operations. Generally peacekeepers are lightly armed for self defence. Russians there heavy weapons, soon Orion armed UAVs and they will probably start flying their mig-29 in NK.

    It's a real invasion force.


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    They sent in a standard brigade formation. There's been over 55 flights (Il-76's/An-124's) to Armenia.

    It's not an invasion force. It's there to make sure neither side decides to start something stupid again.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:38 am

    Isos wrote:Clearly not for peacekeeping operations. Generally peacekeepers are lightly armed for self defence. Russians there heavy weapons, soon Orion armed UAVs and they will probably start flying their mig-29 in NK.

    It's a real invasion force.


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    It looks as though Russia's peacekeeping contingent brought RB-341V Leer-3 electronic warfare systems, which come with Orlan-10 UAVs. They can suppress mobile communications and locate cell phones and other communication systems

    How can it be an invasion force when they were permitted by both sides, you EscarGaul. Rolling Eyes
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:46 am

    kvs wrote: I think this too much of a sacrifice for Russia.   It
    will have to waste resources helping people who have the usual Russia derangement syndrome and will never be
    happy by definition.   Russia should have let the Azeris finish the job and ignore this area on a permanent basis.
    That includes closing down any bases in Armenia.   Russia does not need them.

    Actually your not getting the bigger picture. What are the implications of Federation peacekeepers in NK?

    1.) They prevent Armenia and Azerbaijan from entering EU/NATO

    2.) They prevent Turkey from getting access to the Caspian Sea

    Forget about the political diatribe, what's important is the strategic implications. One of the biggest projects of the US/EU/NATO Axis went crashing in to the dirt in a ball of flame just like the Hindenburg within a months time.

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