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    2020 Nagorno-Karabakh war #2

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:04 am

    https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-54900906

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV95Oc_iL1o
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:34 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Protest in Armenia getting bigger by the minute. Pushinyan is done. Pushinyan will be replaced by a pro west man. I can see Belarus and Armenia out of Russian sphere by next year.


    Wrong again Chicken Little, protestors were destroying Soro's Foundation offices in Yerevan.

    https://twitter.com/301_AD/status/1326254237391720449

    Keep twisting the facts to suit your narrative, your hero Pussynian was a Pro-West cum dumpster.

    Chicken Little Ultron eating crow, RFERL offices were attacked by protestors in Yerevan.
    About 40 young man attacked the headquarters of the Armenian service of @RFERL, journalist Artak Hambardzumyan, cameramen Mesropyan were beaten up @RSF_inter @CPJ_Eurasia @amnesty
    https://twitter.com/ditord/status/1325973831115304962
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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:53 am

    While all the losers keep their eyes on Russia, Armenia is already under occupation. By NATzO.
    Quisling regimes are occupation regimes. The attacks on NATzO propaganda orifices are some
    people buying a clue.

    But I doubt that getting rid of the quisling regime will be easy. It is like a cancer.

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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Nov 12, 2020 7:26 am

    Regular wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Kazakhs eyeing Orenburg?  Are you high flaming?  Cause not only have I never heard that, but Kazakhstan is rather sparsely populated vs its entire region.  I mean, there is an airbase nearby Orenburg that is Russian that would make short work of any kind of Kazakh military movement. The though of that is hilarious though.  Lol
    Or is this another one of those western funded rumors like China going to invade Siberia?

    I doubt any country is able to challenge Russian territory conventionally. Even Crimea is out of the question.

    Kazakhstan has nothing to threaten Russia - it would be shooting practice for Russians knowing the terrain in the region.

    Shooting practice with very long pauses, that whole place is almost empty

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    Post  George1 Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:35 am

    Russian Ministry of Defense on the peacekeeping operation in Nagorno-Karabakh



    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4185411.html

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    Post  nomadski Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:31 am


    The Russian reaction, overall 90% good and effective. In controlling the conflict. Displayed force at sea and showed ready troops at Armenian border. Plus, few flights over Caspian into Iran and Armenia to show support. Can continue with same tactics. Slight problem with delay in taking decisive action, of demarcation of fighting forces. Drawing line in sand. Since a few settled Armenian Town, lost.

    The Iranian reaction seems insufficient. 30 % good and effective. Could have crossed border near Azer/ Arm border. Advance 2 km. To send signal to Azer / Turk side, against attacking Armenia. Could have sent special forces to hunt Rats. Could have targeted artillery hitting Iranian soil.

    Many here say what should happen now. But forget that events are independent of our wishes. There is a reason for Caucases being fragmented. It is the geography. It is a cross roads of civilizations. In this area, best result, can only be, small mini- states or city states. Independent.

    Armenians will necessarily form a security pact with Russia and Iran. Otherwise they cease to exist. If they are poor, still their defences can be helped with advisers from Russia and Iran. Cost nothing to Iran or Russia. No strings attached.

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:54 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Absolute gangster move by Russia.
    26 years not being able to get into NK and finally there.

    For everyone saying why should Russia get involved? Well now Russia has a tripwire in Artsakh.
    Pash as a collateral damage...this is so  cold.

    Told ya'

    Modern geopolitics is one cold nasty bitch

    All those Ex-Soviet states assume that old USSR emotional approach that they all complained about still applies when it suits them and that something is owed to them by Russia/World/God/Cosmos

    They just can't wrap their heads around the fact that they are not as important and indispensable as they think they are


    I actually said this myself.
    I just didn't think that Russia would let this get so bad before intervention.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:59 am

    kvs wrote:So Russia sending in peacekeepers is a gangster move, eh?

    Wow, such BS it is right off the meter.   If Russia did not take any action there would have been no NK and local Armenians left.
    As usual we see the demented double standards applied to Russia.   Pussynians whoring for Russia's enemies is supposedly
    a total non-issue and certainly not a "gangster move", but Russia securing a peace deal when Pussynian's Armenia did precisely
    fuck all to save NK is in the wrong.  

    Seriously, put the crack pipe down.  What is it with you Blakanoids.   You want Turkish rule so badly, do you?

    That kind of makes sense.  




    Yes Russia could have shown the goods, Blasted couple of drones out of the sky with its AF from Erebuni, and if the Azeris or Turks would have shot down that one, make them taste some kalibr for shits and giggles.
    Instead they let Turks operate almost freely vs Armenia.

    You little buggers were saying it isn't Russia's business (i can quote all the official position gang) while it WAS since the get go, but Russia used it cynically to bring pash down. This is the gangster move. Because it let young men die for what is basically a power move.

    Also this isn't a peace deal you mongrel, it's a cease fire that will absolutely back fire in medium term. However, now Russia has boots on the ground which is what it was expecting for ages.

    Wanting Russia to blast Turkoshaks is wanting Turks to rule? Oh wow you folks make as much sense as Erdogan.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:37 am

    Maybe it was also a lesson for the fake allies.
    If they play with the west and reject Russia,  maybe they can hope that Russia will at least save them from extinction,  but for sure Russia will not enter in a big mess for ungrateful partners that are rejecting her.

    What should have done the Russian government?  Enter in a trap organized by Pashinyan and his foreign allies?
    The russian people are fed of the soviet practice of wasting lives and resources on foreign interventions.
    Syria was an exception,  it was also important to avoid the return of terrorists, it had important geopolitical advantages and that intervention was according to international laws and requested by the legitimate government. Until 2 days ago Russia recognized navgorno kharabak as azeri territory only.

    Yes it is sad that the armenians have lost quite badly there, but it is the consequences they paid for choosing such leaders. People in Dresden were bombed indiscriminately from US at the end of world war 2, independently from the fact that they approved the entry into power of Hitler or not.

    Russia had terrible losses in the 90s thanks to Eltsin, Gorbachev, Chubais, gaidar, etc.

    Not all people choose them, but everyone (except the oligarchs) had to suffer because of their actions.


    Same thing in Italy (even if the consequences were more delayed): draghi, prodi etc started a privatisation of all national strategic industries and firms, not to dissimilar to that one in Russia... now every person in Italy is paying the consequences . Or after ww2 we lost istria, dalmazia, etc and we had a lot of refugees. This was because of the actions of our government. Everyone pays for those mistakes, but you cannot look for responsibility abroad.

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    Post  Pacense Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:20 am

    I still don't see how this a victory for Russia.

    Boots on the ground costs money, and I don't quite see how Armenia is going to pay back that support.

    I don't quite see evidence that Armenia tried to come closer to Nato, or the West. Even if the current political leadership try it, its what we call in Portugal, foam from the drink. It's just political manauvers on the daily basis. Today Armenia has this PM, tomorrow it can elect another. We must see things in the long run.

    My point is: Turkey who had no saying in that region has a strong saying now. And no matter how we see it, the Armenian populaion will leave NK for good, as there living conditions there will be impossible. So basically, a Turkish-Muslin country conquered some territoy to Indo European-Christian country.

    Can't grasp any shred of victory here. Zero.

    Hope I'm wrong.

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    Post  The Ottoman Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:53 am

    Very good deal from Mr. Putin.

    Like i said from the beginning of this conflict; Russia and Turkey would gain the most.

    - Russia gains international presitige as peacemaker and will have boots in NK.
    - Armenia is saved from extinction and more embaressment
    - Azerbajcan showed his strenght and get lost lands back
    - Turkey showed the world again their superiour drone-fleet (like in Syria and Libya) and is now definitely a player in the Caucasus.
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:57 am

    Pacense wrote:I still don't see how this a victory for Russia.

    Boots on the ground costs money, and I don't quite see how Armenia is going to pay back that support.

    I don't quite see evidence that Armenia tried to come closer to Nato, or the West. Even if the current political leadership try it, its what we call in Portugal, foam from the drink. It's just political manauvers on the daily basis. Today Armenia has this PM, tomorrow it can elect another. We must see things in the long run.

    My point is: Turkey who had no saying in that region has a strong saying now. And no matter how we see it, the Armenian populaion will leave NK for good, as there living conditions there will be impossible. So basically, a Turkish-Muslin country conquered some territoy to Indo European-Christian country.

    Can't grasp any shred of victory here. Zero.

    Hope I'm wrong.


    100% wrong actually.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:01 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:This is the gangster move. Because it let young men die for what is basically a power move....

    There's nothing wrong in calling it a gangster move, that's what geopolitics is

    And it was Pasha who was letting young men die while he was on the phone with Brussels and giving Russia a stink eye

    Plus I'd like to reiterate yet again that Armenia never recognized Nagorno Karabah and never deployed it's military because they didn't want to break any taboos but they had no ​problem expecting Russia to break them on their behalf

    Also let's not forget that it was Armenia who kept refusing any Russia brokered solution for past several decades while completely neglecting it's defenses and ditching only country that could save their asses


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    Post  KoTeMoRe Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:56 pm

    The Ottoman wrote:Very good deal from Mr. Putin.

    Like i said from the beginning of this conflict; Russia and Turkey would gain the most.

    - Russia gains international presitige as peacemaker and will have boots in NK.
    - Armenia is saved from extinction and more embaressment
    - Azerbajcan showed his strenght and get lost lands back
    - Turkey showed the world again their superiour drone-fleet (like in Syria and Libya) and is now definitely a player in the Caucasus.

    Not so sure about Turkey. Or Russia
    Armenia actually consolidates a small part and can start its reforging.

    Azerbaijan gave it all and came short of its goal.
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    Post  franco Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:02 pm

    Who won the war in Karabakh?

    Indeed, who won the conflict in Karabakh? Nominally, it turns out that Azerbaijan. Not really. Azerbaijan lost this war - and quite unexpectedly. And now you can comfort yourself as much as you like with the fact of acquiring land by, let's say, sudden, but prepared aggression. But the fact is that the results of the war were very, very unpredictable.

    Everyone pursued their own goals

    It is a fact that Azerbaijan was winning this war "with a clear advantage", while official Yerevan was engaged in processes that are difficult to understand and, in fact, simply let everything go by itself.

    The fact that the NKR "army" was unable to cope with the Azerbaijani armed forces, and even with the support of Turkey, is understandable.

    The fact that Armenia stubbornly waited, that Russia was about to intervene and begin to defend its ... ally, this is also obvious. The Internet is now replete with statements like: "We were betrayed!" (performed by Armenians).

    But you must agree, all these people who, on the night of the signing of the ceasefire, smashed state buildings, beat the deputies and performed other "feats", why did they heroic in Yerevan and not in Shusha?

    However, nothing surprising. It happens so often. For throwing a stone at the window of a house is much easier than throwing a grenade at a tank, for example.

    So no complaints about the parties: each pursued its own goals.

    Another question: who got what?

    Azerbaijan (as I said) received the territories of three regions. In general, this is more a political moment than an economic one. Because the history of the confrontation between Armenia and Azerbaijan in Karabakh goes back more than a hundred years.

    However, having received territories, has Baku solved the Karabakh problem as a whole? No! Moreover, there is now a situation (which we will talk about below), which, in general, nullifies everything.

    Now about Armenia in more detail. In short: Yerevan was not just losing the war, but with a bang. The NKR army has practically ceased its resistance, and official Yerevan practically lied that “everything is under control”.

    As a result, in this situation (when Yerevan sat and waited for Moscow's intervention and did nothing at all), the defeat was assured. In theory, Armenia was heading towards the loss of all Karabakh.

    Pilots Major Yuri Viktorovich Ischuk and Senior Lieutenant Roman Vasilyevich Fedin actually saved the inevitable defeat in Karabakh at the cost of their lives.

    And now no one in Armenia can get away from this.

    The “miraculous” (and no other word comes to mind) rescue of the NKR happened precisely due to the very strange situation with the Russian helicopter.

    Now many have thrown themselves into conspiracy theories. They began to ask themselves the question: "What was the Mi-24 doing in the border area at night?" And there are many such ambiguities, which translate the situation into a kind of provocation.

    Yes, the Mi-24 may not be the best helicopter for night combat. Maybe even the worst. So what? Our helicopter flew over the territory of Armenia, for which its crew had all the rights and permissions. Reconnaissance, observation, escort - what's the difference, in the end? The helicopter had the right to be in the airspace of Armenia, and on this we put a fat point.

    Further. Could or could it not have hit the Azerbaijani crew with a rocket? Point again. Official Baku admitted that the rocket was theirs. They were shooting from their territory. Apologize. Ready to compensate, etc.

    The rest of the reflections on the topics: “could or could not”, “accidentally or not by chance”, “provocation or not”, etc. - this is already on the conscience of everyone.

    In fact, our crew did not shoot at anyone, did not pose a threat to anyone. Therefore, the situation can be interpreted in different ways. But in reality everything turned out in favor of Armenia.

    You can also fantasize that this is all rigged. Yes, indeed, everything happened in a very timely manner for the Armenian side. But it happened. Accordingly, it was Major Ischuk's crew that saved hundreds of Armenian lives.

    I will repeat for the dull lovers of conspiracy and fantasy: Major Ischuk and Senior Lieutenant Fedin have covered hundreds of Armenian soldiers. And Armenia owes these two pilots, no matter what they say. And it is very much obliged.

    Armenia did not lose, Azerbaijan did not win

    First of all, she is obliged to keep at least something in Karabakh. Yes, we lost Shushi, which will now be Shusha. We lost three districts. But they kept the rest! And it could have been completely different. Armenian media and officials told tales to the whole caring community. Meanwhile, Azerbaijani troops occupied one square kilometer after another. And they would have occupied the whole of Karabakh at such a pace.

    So, in such and such light, the defeat of Armenia is actually not quite a defeat.
    As well as the victory of Azerbaijan, it also looks very ambiguous.

    And now we come to the most basic thing. Who won in Karabak?

    And Russia won in Karabakh .

    Let's face it: the victory was with the Russian Federation, even though Russia did not play for anyone.

    After all, even this spring, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that the Pashinyan government is considering and discussing "a phased plan for a settlement in Karabakh." A huge number of specialists spoke out about this plan. And most of them admitted that the plan was unacceptable to both sides. And that its implementation can lead to the seizure of Karabakh by Azerbaijan.

    Which, in fact, happened.

    Nikol Pashinyan. Definitely not an ally of Russia. His dancing with the West was appreciated by everyone. Shouts: “We want to join NATO. The complete disdain he showed for Putin in October 2019. Derogatory statements. - All this did not characterize him as an ally and friend.

    Attention, the question: "Why should Russia support such ... a neighbor?"

    With Azerbaijan, everything is easier, in my opinion. You can simply cooperate with this country without burdening yourself with any global projects.

    When Armenia was seized by the velvet revolution, the vector began to shift rapidly. Turkey is not a friend, Azerbaijan is not an enemy, Georgia is not quite an enemy and Armenia is not a friend: here is the situation in which Russia began to rapidly lose its influence in the Transcaucasus.

    It is clear that Turkey would like to replace Russia. A Turk and an Azeri are more than brothers (in the usual sense). It's like an Indian and a Pakistani. One people, simply divided by borders.

    And the union of Turkey and Azerbaijan is a strong and strong union, which is not entirely realistic to destroy. And this alliance could easily determine the policy beyond the Caucasian ridge.

    Conclusions

    What do we have today?

    The incident with the Russian helicopter turned Russia: from the status of an "observer" to the status of an "injured party". Azerbaijan immediately backed down, and Armenia exhaled.

    Yes, Azerbaijan returned a significant part of "its" territories that had belonged to it for a long time. But the problem of Karabakh itself will not be solved yet.

    Moreover, the “victorious” Azerbaijan received Russia in its “acquired” territories as an observer and controller.

    It is the Russian peacekeepers who will monitor the implementation of the signed documents and monitor the ceasefire over the next five years.

    It is the Russian border guards who will control the work of the Lachin corridor between Karabakh and Armenia and a similar corridor between Azerbaijan and the Nakhichevan Autonomous Republic.

    It was Russia that regained control of the region. Even if she didn’t want to.

    We can now talk a lot about what caused it: a fatal accident or a well-planned operation.

    The fact is that Russia is again in the political game of the Transcaucasus. For the next five years. What will happen next - we will see in five years. But the fact that the struggle for Karabakh, which began in 1918, will continue is reality. Neither Armenians nor Azerbaijanis will just stop. Some will strive to return what was lost, the second - to take away everything that is left.

    But I would like to remind you that now Russia is in the game. Our pilots Major Ischuk and Senior Lieutenant Fedin paid for the peace and quiet in the region with their lives. And all parties should remember this.

    Not the best scenario - to make Russia an observer and "breeder" in the age-old squabble around Karabakh. But if this happens, you will have to try to restore order in the region.

    This will not appeal to many on both sides of yesterday's front lines. But this was not our initiative, it was not our goal. It's just that Russia will once again have to save other people's lives at its own expense.

    But we are historically no stranger to it. But I would very much like the number of victims on our part, albeit in the name of life, to be as few as possible.

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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:41 pm

    Even if Azerbaijan requests Russians to leave in order to take Karabakh by force, Russians won't leave because such a move by Azerbaijan is against peace. So safe to say Azerbaijan lost Karabakh for good the way Georgia lost South Ossetia and Abkazia for good, Ukraine lost Donbas for good, Moldova lost Transnistria for good.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:43 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:This is the gangster move. Because it let young men die for what is basically a power move....

    There's nothing wrong in calling it a gangster move, that's what geopolitics is

    And it was Pasha who was letting young men die while he was on the phone with Brussels and giving Russia a stink eye

    Plus I'd like to reiterate yet again that Armenia never recognized Nagorno Karabah and never deployed it's military because they didn't want to break any taboos but they had no ​problem expecting Russia to break them on their behalf

    Also let's not forget that it was Armenia who kept refusing any Russia brokered solution for past several decades while completely neglecting it's defenses and ditching only country that could save their asses



    Recognition is irrelevant. Albania aided Kosovo independence and never recognize Kosovo until 2008. It was the US that recognized Kosovo first, not Albania.

    Though Armenians lost the battle, they fought valiantly and slaughtered thousands of Azerbaijani crack troops armed with top notch Israeli hardware, and I don't think any other small country can accomplish that in a month.
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    Post  lyle6 Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:53 pm

    The Ottoman wrote:Very good deal from Mr. Putin.

    Like i said from the beginning of this conflict; Russia and Turkey would gain the most.

    - Russia gains international presitige as peacemaker and will have boots in NK.
    - Armenia is saved from extinction and more embaressment
    - Azerbajcan showed his strenght and get lost lands back
    - Turkey showed the world again their superiour drone-fleet (like in Syria and Libya) and is now definitely a player in the Caucasus.

    You and your butt buddies folded after barely hearing the swansong of Russia's LRA. F*gs.

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    Post  Vann7 Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:30 pm

    The Ottoman wrote:Very good deal from Mr. Putin.

    Like i said from the beginning of this conflict; Russia and Turkey would gain the most.

    - Russia gains international presitige as peacemaker and will have boots in NK.
    - Armenia is saved from extinction and more embaressment
    - Azerbajcan showed his strenght and get lost lands back
    - Turkey showed the world again their superiour drone-fleet (like in Syria and Libya) and is now definitely a player in the Caucasus.


    lol "superior drone fleet"  drones that were completely owned in lybia and in syria where erdogan terrorist and erdogan military terrorist  lost 50% of "greater idlib ,to the syrian army backed by a few planes.. and a few pantsir defenses.. lol

    and by your information troll.. "turkey drones" are not made by turkey ,they are 98% made in america and europe.. and turkey only assembly them in turkey.. after being trainned how to do it.. and your terrorist president later advertise them as "turkey revolution". simply anglo nato and israel are the true creators of the drones that azerbajian used.. even those f-16 that turkey use are 100% america.. so don't try to promote lies here , turkey is a third world terrorist state with a primitive scientific and technology industry.. because almost everything that erdogan have on its military with electronics was made in the west.. and now also by russia. lol1

    turkey is just another saudi arabia ,a parasite state ,that everything they have was given by american and europeans..  without anglo europeans support.. turkey will not exist today , since
    it was british empire ,backed by most of europe , the ones who blocked the russian army to march on istanbul to return it the christians which is where it belongs..  so turkey only exist thanks to americans and british.. without them turkey will be nothing ,just another iraq. and will not have neither planes ,neither tanks , neither anything ,turkey will not even exist today ,since will have been over run by the russian empire ,when ottoman empire was routed from southern europe by the russians... peter the great wanted for very long to completely erase turkey from the map..  

    Russia is the killer of terrorist empires..  Very Happy

    -mongol empire.. check.
    -ottoman empire.. check
    -persian empire.. check..

    and also killer of fascist euro empires..
    -sweden empire
    -napoleon empire
    -hitler nazi empire

    next ones..
    - turkey second mini ottoman empire.
    -the anglo zionist empire.

    video : The fall of Ottomans..  russia



    notice how much territory the turks lost ,(70%) when russia declared war on the ottomans..  russia
    and today will be even worse for the turks.. in a full scale war with russia ,because russia can flatern every inch of turkey  territory without losing a single soldier, with just 5% of its nuclear arsenal ,just pressing buttons on a table of controls. Very interesting video.  Cool

    So erdogan is a full is he think he have a chance to restore their failed ottoman empire , it will be
    russia again the one that will finish. and if you think that erdogan building alliances with third world countries in central asia is a match for russia , just look a little bit to the south east of russia map ,
    who is there..  the mighty china.. which could even help russia  if ever there was a need for it to speed up the destruction of muslims terrorist states in central asia.
    So indeed islam is a true blessing for the anglo powers.. because they know they can easily manipulate the middle east to fight their wars ,commit suicide  for nothing. anglo nato knows turkey have no chance versus russia in a full scale fight.. they only use turkey to delay as much as possible russia navy advance to western europe through the mediterranean sea and keep russian navy away from NATO major naval bases in italy.


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    Post  Isos Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:44 pm

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Even if Azerbaijan requests Russians to leave in order to take Karabakh by force, Russians won't leave because such a move by Azerbaijan is against peace. So safe to say Azerbaijan lost Karabakh for good the way Georgia lost South Ossetia and Abkazia for good, Ukraine lost Donbas for good, Moldova lost Transnistria for good.

    NK was split in two. Armenians are leaving some villages that will be given to Azerbaijan per the agreement.

    That could have been done by talks and stop the conflict forever without any war.
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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:30 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    kvs wrote:So Russia sending in peacekeepers is a gangster move, eh?

    Wow, such BS it is right off the meter.   If Russia did not take any action there would have been no NK and local Armenians left.
    As usual we see the demented double standards applied to Russia.   Pussynians whoring for Russia's enemies is supposedly
    a total non-issue and certainly not a "gangster move", but Russia securing a peace deal when Pussynian's Armenia did precisely
    fuck all to save NK is in the wrong.  

    Seriously, put the crack pipe down.  What is it with you Blakanoids.   You want Turkish rule so badly, do you?

    That kind of makes sense.  




    Yes Russia could have shown the goods, Blasted couple of drones out of the sky with its AF from Erebuni, and if the Azeris or Turks would have shot down that one, make them taste some kalibr for shits and giggles.
    Instead they let Turks operate almost freely vs Armenia.

    So you wanted Russia to volunteer military action on behalf on Pussinyan who did not request it. Since it followed
    international law it made a gangster move, right.....

    You little buggers were saying it isn't Russia's business (i can quote all the official position gang) while it WAS since the get go, but Russia used it cynically to bring pash down. This is the gangster move. Because it let young men die for what is basically a power move.

    Your doubling down with your BS is pathetic. Pussynian brought himself down and those young men dying are 100% his fault if
    you are going to ignore the Azeris, you Russia hater. You systematically avoid the issue of Pussynian's behaviour and keep with
    your anti-Russia propaganda narrative. How typical.


    Also this isn't a peace deal you mongrel, it's a cease fire that will absolutely back fire in medium term. However, now Russia has boots on the ground which is what it was expecting for ages.

    Shove your drivel on some pro-NATzO forum, hater genius. All peace deals start with serious ceasefires. And you make it sound like
    peacekeepers are somehow unusual. Again, you smear Russia and make not a single peep about the responsibility of Armenia and
    Azerbaijan. So you are pissing on Russia for saving anti-Russian Armenian hides when they were about to be fully destroyed by the
    Azeris.
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:31 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    kvs wrote:So Russia sending in peacekeepers is a gangster move, eh?

    Wow, such BS it is right off the meter.   If Russia did not take any action there would have been no NK and local Armenians left.
    As usual we see the demented double standards applied to Russia.   Pussynians whoring for Russia's enemies is supposedly
    a total non-issue and certainly not a "gangster move", but Russia securing a peace deal when Pussynian's Armenia did precisely
    fuck all to save NK is in the wrong.  

    Seriously, put the crack pipe down.  What is it with you Blakanoids.   You want Turkish rule so badly, do you?

    That kind of makes sense.  




    Yes Russia could have shown the goods, Blasted couple of drones out of the sky with its AF from Erebuni, and if the Azeris or Turks would have shot down that one, make them taste some kalibr for shits and giggles.
    Instead they let Turks operate almost freely vs Armenia.

    You little buggers were saying it isn't Russia's business (i can quote all the official position gang) while it WAS since the get go, but Russia used it cynically to bring pash down. This is the gangster move. Because it let young men die for what is basically a power move.

    Also this isn't a peace deal you mongrel, it's a cease fire that will absolutely back fire in medium term. However, now Russia has boots on the ground which is what it was expecting for ages.

    Wanting Russia to blast Turkoshaks is wanting Turks to rule? Oh wow you folks make as much sense as Erdogan.

    It's clear that Turkey can do whatever it wants to in the world, so long as it maintains good ties with Washington and Moscow and respects the 'seniority' of their interests in the places where Turkish ambitions can clash with such.
    Turkey is also going to have to build strong ties with Beijing in the next 10-20 years as well, else it's going to end up getting smacked down hard by it, the attempted meddling in the Uyghur territory won't be forgotten.
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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:32 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    The Ottoman wrote:Very good deal from Mr. Putin.

    Like i said from the beginning of this conflict; Russia and Turkey would gain the most.

    - Russia gains international presitige as peacemaker and will have boots in NK.
    - Armenia is saved from extinction and more embaressment
    - Azerbajcan showed his strenght and get lost lands back
    - Turkey showed the world again their superiour drone-fleet (like in Syria and Libya) and is now definitely a player in the Caucasus.

    Not so sure about Turkey. Or Russia
    Armenia actually consolidates a small part and can start its reforging.

    Azerbaijan gave it all and came short of its goal.

    Oh so it is a glorious Armenian success now and the gangster Russians got in the way. Praise be upon Pussynian.

    You are a bloody hypocrite.

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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:36 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Absolute gangster move by Russia.
    26 years not being able to get into NK and finally there.

    For everyone saying why should Russia get involved? Well now Russia has a tripwire in Artsakh.
    Pash as a collateral damage...this is so  cold.

    Told ya'

    Modern geopolitics is one cold nasty bitch

    All those Ex-Soviet states assume that old USSR emotional approach that they all complained about still applies when it suits them and that something is owed to them by Russia/World/God/Cosmos

    They just can't wrap their heads around the fact that they are not as important and indispensable as they think they are


    I actually said this myself.
    I just didn't think that Russia would let this get so bad before intervention.

    Your Balkanoid circle jerk shows that you clowns call for Russia to carry the water for your projected darlings and when it actually
    does that, within the legal international framework, you rag on it for manipulating the situation. So according to you, Russia
    must have started the NK conflict. Your tin foil "thinking" is something else.

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    Post  kvs Thu Nov 12, 2020 5:07 pm



    What a surprise, the liberats are spewing exactly the same sort of drivel as the resident Russia haters on this forum.

    So poor little Pussynian's fall is all Putin's fault and plucky little Armenia with its democracy loving Prime Minister
    managed to at least secure some of NK:

    1) It was NK local forces that managed not to fully lose NK. Pussynian did precisely nothing to help them.

    2) Actually it was Russia that prevented the full loss of NK by stopping the Azeri military campaign when
    the situation developed. Pussynian would have never been able to reach a deal involving peacekeepers
    and without full loss of NK, with Aliyev.

    But of course, it is all Putin's Machiavellian gangsterism in the minds of all those afflicted with the Russia derangement
    syndrome.

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