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    2020 US elections. What's the status of pindostan and their 2nd civil war?

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:38 am

    For years Russian interference was considered the most important thing... by the Democrats when votes didn't go their way...

    Well what will Republicans focus on... the obvious would be Chinese interference for which there is plenty of evidence because it exists... they say where there is smoke there is fire... during trumps time as president there was neither smoke nor fire, but that didn't stop them pulling the fire alarm every chance they got... so why would they expect the Republicans to give them a free pass and an easy presidency for Sleepy Joe?

    The Democrats set the tone, can they really complain if the Republicans follow their play book?

    Sexual misconduct and being owned by big business and being a foreign puppet can be pointed at anyone in the US and Biden would fit that frame as well as Trump ever did...

    From what i understand it was denied because Texas was not an injured party, as in like a contractual obligation where you have the signed on parties and Texas being more of an outside 3rd party.

    From a country imposing sanctions on other countries for building pipelines to Europe or buying Su-35s and S-400s... Rolling Eyes

    Be funny if they did send someone with cookies and hint to CNN that they are linked to Russia... but actually have them funded by an Israeli source... that would be hilarious... the initial song and dance thinking they were going to win a prize for this expose... and then the silence when they realise it wasn't Putin funding this... it was Israel.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:39 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Section 2 and 3 require very specific conditions that aren't easy to prove John, Trump cannot remove people because they make decisions he doesn't approve of.
    You are correct but Trump seems to have had a plan in place, in anticipation of what has now happened, that started over two years ago. It seems to be centered on tracking and proving what the Chinese have been up to both in cyber warfare and societal penetration (5th column). DNI has to report by the 18th on whether there was foreign (Chinese) influence in the election.

    The Chinese have been very successful, especially in academia and politics, in what is probably a 100 year plan starting in around 1950 to take over the US. So successful that few understood what was happening, a classic case of selling the rope. Whilst Trump has been an America first person for much of his life, driven by US manufacturing moving to China (brilliant), it probably wasn't until he got the intel available to him as President that he realised just what was going on. Once he did he planned and acted.

    It seems that a key event, perhaps the key accelerator event, was when the Chinese hacked the US Government 2.5M personnel database in 2015, which contained information including sexual weaknesses etc in security clearances. This was blackmail gold and almost certainly explains some inexplicable decisions over the past few years.

    Trump could not have acted before the election as few would have believed him. He had to allow the fraud to continue until as many people as possible were aware of it and as many as possible showed their true colours and allegiances, like the AG hiding the case against Hunter for six months to help Biden. Now, with over 75M pissed off voters and 20 states that believe SCOTUS has bottled, he is getting to critical mass. He may act when electoral votes go to Congress next week or after the political process has completed on Jan 5th.

    When he moves (IF) it will not be on the basis of decisions he doesn't approve of, it will almost certainly be in terms of saving what is possibly the most important element of the US Constitution, the right to a free and fair vote. He had to try and make it not be about himself and SCOTUS in fact did him a favour with their quick, adverse decision.

    Those of us outside the US military machine can only gather what bits of information we can and try to build a picture of what is happening behind chainlink fences. As I said before there is significant and very unusual levels of military air traffic with Nellis playing a big part in what appears to be the establishment of FOBs on US territory. US naval deployment is interesting too with two CVN and a LHD on each east and west coast and CVN68 now well out of the Gulf. Massive show of support for Trump at the Army vs Navy football game yesterday possibly gives an indication of how the sharp end of the military feels.

    Having just taken direct command of SOCOM away from the joint chiefs he can use it as his 'heavy' arresting force, backing up those elements of LE loyal to him. Its going to get bloody as the targets will not surrender easily. Its seems crazy to even write this but does Langley have air defences?

    I can't see any easy way out of this now. Without a trusted election system there is no Republic.


    EDIT

    Just got to quote posters on MoA about fomenting revolutions "the USA manual for Unconventional Warfare (UW), from 2010, states that, if 80% of the total populations stays "neutral" (or apathetic), then 10% is enough to do a regime change."

    and "Pointing out the obvious here, but isn't this exactly what is going down in front of our eyes in the USA? There the target audiences are women, minorities (primarily black), the unemployed and LGBT. Throughout and everywhere the object is to make a county ungovernable."

    https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/12/new-documents-show-how-the-british-government-secretly-created-regime-change-protests-in-lebanon.html#more


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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:48 pm

    For those of you not so far into the US weeds as I am, contained in this link is a short video describing payments from China and Russia over the past few years into the Biden family and close associates companies. Confirmed by a Senate Homeland Committee report.

    This amount of money buys you leverage and if it turns out that its on the US President it was a brilliant and cheap investment.

    https://twitter.com/CortesSteve/status/1337530077777637377
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:20 pm

    AlfaT8 wrote:With respect to the SCOTUS situation, it's kinda nonsensical.

    From what i understand it was denied because Texas was not an injured party, as in like a contractual obligation where you have the signed on parties and Texas being more of an outside 3rd party.

    The problem with that is that the suit Texas brought up was that Texas is indeed a signed party that was injured, because the contractual agreement in question is the Bloody Constitution.
    Now this is just one interpretation, but it still makes SCOTUS look really bad.

    But let us look at this optimistically.
    It could be that SCOTUS simply did this so that a proper suit with more direct injured parties will be filed, so that State jurisdiction issues don't get in the way, and since the Legislators power written in the Constitution is as clear as can be.
    Maybe with this SCOTUS can deliver a verdict with ease.

    The Supreme Court’s reason might be valid if Texas was complaining about local elections for state offices which affected only the state in which the election was held.

    In the case at hand, however, Texas is complaining about an election for a federal office, the holder of which will have the power to issue executive orders national in scope, wield a veto over the legislature, direct foreign policy, and appoint judges to all federal courts, including the Supreme Court. These are powers that will have a profound effect on all fifty states.

    If the Supreme Court believes that does not give Texas a “cognizable interest” in assuring that all states conduct the election in a transparent manner consistent with the procedure mandated by the constitution of the United States, then the justices are living in the same fantasy land as a President who declared that we are fighting in Afghanistan “to deny them space in which to plan their attacks.”

    With this decision the Supreme Court has effectively given permission for governors and judges in individual states to corrupt the election for President of the United States at will. Whether or not they have done so is beside the larger point that the Supreme Court has given them permission to do so.

    Maybe they will change their stance when the next case gets to them
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:33 pm

    Not how it works John all high courts around the globe have very specific manners in which they operate, Texas did not have the legal right to bring the lawsuit to them.

    Had one of the affected states done it, they would have been willing to hear the case.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:52 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Not how it works John all high courts around the globe have very specific manners in which they operate, Texas did not have the legal right to bring the lawsuit to them.

    Had one of the affected states done it, they would have been willing to hear the case.

    Maybe, but it ended up as 20 states so who else could they have appealed to? Every state should have standing with SCOTUS with the case presented being considered or dismissed on its merits.

    Now, rather than SCOTUS head it off at the pass, will those states now not accept Biden if he is sworn in following what, in their view, was a corrupt election?

    Its going to be a fascinating next 4 weeks for those of us outside the US.
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    Post  LMFS Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:02 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The Chinese have been very successful, especially in academia and politics, in what is probably a 100 year plan starting in around 1950 to take over the US. So successful that few understood what was happening, a classic case of selling the rope. Whilst Trump has been an America first person for much of his life, driven by US manufacturing moving to China (brilliant), it probably wasn't until he got the intel available to him as President that he realised just what was going on. Once he did he planned and acted.

    No need for alien intervention when your own establishment is only interested in increasing their own enrichment rates and has a transnational nature, meaning, it does not give a damn about US or any other specific country, since their real interest is to dilute nation state power, which is the only effective way people can organize to counter their global financial dictatorship. This is transparent to see from the way media, NATO and the EU lapdogs have reacted to the election of Biden. How Russia, Venezuela, Iran or China may be rooting for a guy representing the Western globalists hell bent on destroying them is something I really struggle to see...
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    Post  kvs Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:36 pm

    Bidet has the fake "leftist" credentials. His supporters drink the koolaid. The D. Party is the imperialist war party. The R. Party has
    some fraction of isolationism and clearly more sanity given the PC retardation espoused by the D. Party.

    It is like with US blacks who have been brainwashed to vote for the party that was most active enacting apartheid laws
    against them during the 1800s and first have of the 1990s. So many of these hoodwinked twits were going on and on
    about how Trump was racist just because somebody told them he was. There is no actual evidence of Trump's alleged
    racism. He has been a US celebrity since the 1980s and rappers made songs extolling his wealth and bling. After 2016
    he magically became a racist.

    So these foreign states that think Bidet is someone they can do business with severely ignorant. Bidet will go after
    China just like he will go after Russia. Any country that prevents full domination of the planet by the yanquis is
    to be destroyed in one way or another. People who think that the US will not start WWIII are deluded. They
    have all the prerequisites for starting a war for world domination: they think they are invincible and just like the
    Nazis they worship themselves and their own exceptionalism. Right now US generals and politicians are busy
    spreading blood libel about Russia to justify military action.

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    Post  Kiko Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:12 pm

    Night Of Chaos: 4 Stabbed, 23 Arrested After Proud Boys & Antifa Clash in Washington:
    https://cms.zerohedge.com/political/night-chaos-4-stabbed-23-arrested-after-proud-boys-antifa-clash-washington?utm_campaign=&utm_content=Zerohedge%3A+The+Durden+Dispatch&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zh_newsletter
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    Post  Kiko Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:23 pm

    Trump says will veto NDAA for benefitting China.

    https://br.sputniknews.com/americas/2020121316609320-trump-diz-que-vetara-orcamento-de-defesa-dos-eua-por-beneficiar-a-china/

    https://sputniknews.com/us/202012131081446407-trump-claims-china-is-biggest-winner-of-us-defence-bill-vows-to-veto-document--/


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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:46 pm

    Kiko wrote:Trump says will veto NDAA for benefitting China.

    I thought that the NDAA had passed in Congress with sufficient votes to disallow Presidential veto.
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    Post  Kiko Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:38 pm

    I thought that the NDAA had passed in Congress with sufficient votes to disallow Presidential veto.
    He's challenging the rebel GOP senators. His 2024 running nomination is at play.


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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:09 pm

    Dominion Forensic analysis released under judge's orders, and it's insane.  Shocked  Shocked
    And some interesting court ruling from Wisconsin.

    Not sure how long this video gonna remain online, i hope Garry at least gets Bitchute video posting working.

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    Post  Kiko Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:42 pm

    Electoral college formally designates Joe Biden US president-elect
    https://www.rt.com/usa/509668-biden-electoral-college-president-elect/
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    Post  Kiko Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:44 am

    Putin congratulated Biden on winning the election
    https://ria.ru/20201215/bayden-1589265595.html
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:54 am

    Kiko wrote:Electoral college formally designates Joe Biden US president-elect
    https://www.rt.com/usa/509668-biden-electoral-college-president-elect/

    Indeed they did but several states put up 2 sets of electors, one for Biden and one for Trump, meaning that, given the ongoing legal disputes there is still doubt over what the Congress will accept on the 6th Jan meeting. Even then it may not be clear as the only concrete date in the Constitution is the 21st January, Inauguration.

    Until Trump concedes the fight will go on. There will be a important Intel report this week on foreign intervention in the election, that could be the blue touch paper that starts the fire.

    Even with Biden taking office there are 75 million or so Americans who probably regard the election as illegitimate. This will be an ongoing problem.
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    Post  kvs Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:32 pm

    Kiko wrote:Putin congratulated Biden on winning the election
    https://ria.ru/20201215/bayden-1589265595.html

    I any of Putin's elections had the sort of fraud evident in this US election, the US president would demand regime change and
    bray for war. I think Putin should not bother with being "classy". Just say nothing.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:12 pm

    kvs wrote:
    If any of Putin's elections had the sort of fraud evident in this US election, the US president would demand regime change and
    bray for war.   I think Putin should not bother with being "classy".   Just say nothing.
    Perhaps, but its now win-win for Putin.

    On the one hand if Biden actually wins then he has made a positive move gaining a couple of diplomatic Brownie points. May not be worth much but hey-ho he has to try.

    If on the other hand Trump wins, Putin, along with all the other leaders in the World who backed Biden, has a strong case to rubbish the US because the election system is so fraudulent that it lured them all in. Followed by years of speeches containing the phrase "corrupt US".

    Given that either way this is going to go through the courts over the next few weeks, the reputation of the US will be in tatters.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:55 am

    Putin congratulating Biden is just following Americas own rules... it is not Putin saying he thinks Biden won, it is Putin accepting the decision of the electoral college... which is supposed to be how things work in that fucked up republic of the US of A.

    Democracy has very little to do with anything... and Biden winning or Trump winning... it is a case of do you want to be stabbed in your left testicle or your right testicle.... what are you complaining about... you are getting a choice... one old white rich man or another old white rich man...

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    Post  Hole Wed Dec 16, 2020 12:27 pm

    In this case it was an old white man against an old orange man. Laughing

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    Post  AlfaT8 Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:09 pm

    Dominion details.
    Just wow, wow.
    Imaging if the Russian national security was so incompetent, as to allow such a company to handle the nations vote.
    Heads would literally role.

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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:12 am

    This is the sort of rot that happens when people live in a bubble of delusion about being exceptional. Any bad news
    is discounted as not important and masturbatory fluff (e.g. Musk and his hyperloop) gets treated as humanity shaping
    innovation. I bet that most Americans felt good about themselves when voting with these contraptions. After all,
    those paper ballots are just sooooo primitive.

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    Post  AlfaT8 Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:44 pm

    Well now Russia's involved in this, even though it's most likely China, but i am not the chief of intelligence.
    Apparently Merca got hacked and one of the entities hit by the hack was Dominion, of course they are in full denial mode and for some reason investigations into this place is still being blocked.
    But looking at the Hack situation, it may be the case that the hackers also had a hand in Cooking the voting numbers, despite the Dominion machine itself already having more security holes than machine gunned Swiss cheese, as stated in their own user manual.
    Now it looks like their weren't just the Cooks who wanted to steal the election in the kitchen, but also Cooks who broke into the kitchen to F the numbers up even more, talk about a ClusteF#ck. Rolling Eyes

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    Post  kvs Thu Dec 17, 2020 4:55 pm

    What sort of species of idiot designs a ballot machine that is attached to the internet? This was discussed already during the
    W. Bush elections where similar ballot machines were also easily hackable since they ran a Windows OS variant. No polling
    station is going to have a real firewall. No, some router is not a serious firewall.

    Also, these machines can be abused by the clowns running the voting station as happened. Votes can be revised. Yes,
    really, votes can be changed after a vote. Why does such a functionality exist?



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    Post  calripson Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:51 pm

    kvs wrote:What sort of species of idiot designs a ballot machine that is attached to the internet?   This was discussed already during the
    W. Bush elections where similar ballot machines were also easily hackable since they ran a Windows OS variant.   No polling
    station is going to have a real firewall.   No, some router is not a serious firewall.  

    Also, these machines can be abused by the clowns running the voting station as happened.  Votes can be revised.  Yes,
    really, votes can be changed after a vote.   Why does such a functionality exist?  




    The functionality exists precisely to allow voter fraud. America has a long tradition of voter fraud of the old fashioned variety - in cities like Philadelphia and Chicago people used to be bused around to vote at multiple locations. The problem is large cities run themselves with little state oversight and states run themselves with essentially no federal oversight.

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