JohninMK wrote:kvs wrote:JohninMK wrote:Without wanting to comment on the honesty of Venezuelan elections it is important to note the difference between voter and elector fraud.
At the voter level the system had stunning security, every voter had a biometric card, unique to them and mandatory for voting. This meant that an observer like Carter would indeed see what was, and I think still is, probably the best system at poll station level there is.
What Carter could not see was what might have happened then when the votes were counted, allocated and passed up the system to national tally computers, the elector fraud. Where it all happened out of sight inside the black box where it all had to be taken in faith. This is the part that Carter would have had to have taken what Smartmatic told him at face value. As they were an 'honest by definition' British team what they told him was naturally assumed to be fact!
Hence Carter's praise.
The same goes for every fucking precious western utopia including the UK. Stalin was right on target.
Given your knowledge on the subject in this and other posts, please tell how you think the UK election systems works as it looks like I might have it wrong.
The Canadian system is the same. You claimed Venezuela's elections are fraudulent because "it is he who counts the ballots
that determines the vote". Yet somehow when I and 99.9999% of the voters in Canada are not present during the counting,
it is somehow all squeaky clean. Just like the USA. Right.
You assert that UK vote counting is infallible. That is your religion and not a fact. There are no foreign observers during
vote counts and just like in the USA, the composition of the tiny group of people who is doing the counting and making
all sorts of convenient "human mistakes" cannot be asserted to be obviously unbiased.
The first past the post system promotes fraud and gerrymandering since tight margins are involved. A party gains an electoral
district even if does not have a majority and just needs to come out ahead of the usually other main party. The US is
more pathological compared to Canada but it is the same underlying problem. The defenders of this stupid system where
the Prime Minister can get an absolute majority in Parliament even though he has less than 40% of the popular vote always
trot out Italy as some example to "prove" that proportional representation does not work. Italy is a unique pathology with
proportional representation not being the source of their endless government flipping. Germany is a better example for
how things should be. They have some of the seats be first past the posts, but they fill in the rest based on their fraction
of the popular vote.
The main difference between Venezuela and the UK is that there is no point in any fraud since all the options are compromised.
No UK politician ever rocks the boat no matter how much lip service they pay to various issues. Trump rocked the boat and
was removed. He should be thankful that he was assassinated like Kennedy. But who knows, maybe he will be offed after
And Merkel demonstrates that even the German system is still a kabuki theater where the leadership is always a vassal of
the USA no matter how the people vote.