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    2020 US elections. What's the status of pindostan and their 2nd civil war?

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    Post  AlfaT8 on Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:45 am

    County in Michigan outright refuse to certify votes, what the hell. Rolling Eyes
    And more details Dominion.
    Apparently, their offices in Germany got raided, not by the Germans, but the U.S, to hell with Jurisdiction i guess.(separate report)



    UPDATE: "Forced Certification" is apparently a thing now, do as we say and certify these irregular votes OR ELSE. No
    And more "missing Ballots" found.
    Plus more Certification shenanigans and Cooked Books, jesus. Shocked

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    Post  kvs on Thu Nov 19, 2020 5:56 am

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/georgia-recount-monitor-catches-9626-vote-error-during-hand-recount

    A recount monitor in Georgia discovered a 9,626-vote error in the hand recount in DeKalb County, according to the
    chairman of the Georgia Republican Party.

    “One of our monitors discovered a 9,626-vote error in the DeKalb County hand count. One batch was labeled 10,707 for
    Biden and 13 for Trump—an improbable margin even by DeKalb standards. The actual count for the batch was 1,081 for
    Biden and 13 for Trump,” David Shafer wrote on Twitter on Nov. 18.

    What a joke!
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    Post  kvs on Thu Nov 19, 2020 6:29 pm



    173,000 votes from 0 registered voters.

    I thought the fraud was targeted, it is simply brazen and crude.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:23 pm

    Trump blames Commander Hugo Chavez, who passed away in 2013, of communist inference in the U.S. presidential election.

    https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1329501087209050120

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    Post  kvs on Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:54 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Trump blames Commander Hugo Chavez, who passed away in 2013, of communist inference in the U.S. presidential election.

    https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1329501087209050120

    Americans are special people.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Nov 20, 2020 8:48 pm

    kvs wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Trump blames Commander Hugo Chavez, who passed away in 2013, of communist inference in the U.S. presidential election.

    https://twitter.com/camilateleSUR/status/1329501087209050120

    Americans are special people.


    Well apparently am I am so shooooooooooooooooocked people are incapable of thinking. Would it kill all of you to do a bit of research, I swear. Critical thinking is dead.

    First, this short clip takes out of context what was being said.

    The Dominion Voting Systems, the Smartmatic technology software, and the software that goes in other computerized voting systems, not just Dominion was created at the behest of Chavez.

    It's well known Chavez used this to flip votes and what not, this is what they are saying.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:44 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The Dominion Voting Systems, the Smartmatic technology software, and the software that goes in other computerized voting systems, not just Dominion was created at the behest of Chavez.

    It's well known Chavez used this to flip votes and what not, this is what they are saying.

    Indeed it seems it was and seems to have been used very successfully over the years.

    It does appear that one of its attractions to US politicians , on both sides of the isle, among others, was its 'flexibility' for want of a better word. Under the right conditions, brown envelopes no doubt were one, it seems to have been possible to achieve almost any required election result.

    There does seem to be the possibility that the whole situation was due to Trump gathering too many on the day votes, overwhelming the 'optimised' algorithms, forcing a less easily hidden Plan B into action in an attempt to achieve those 'contracted' results. Personally, unless there is concerted action by the DoJ/FBI which is probably doubtful given their actions over the past few years, I don't think there is time before December 14th for Trump's team to nail it down to a legal standard that will stand up before SCOTUS.

    However it turns out, it has been a disaster for the US political system in terms of exposing to the World what appears to be its easily rigable elections. Some of the turnouts, with figures never seen before, have been up there with the highest in the most corrupt countries and nearly matching mandatory voting like in Australia.

    This was not the plan. Any normal lifetime in politics President would have known the game and conceded. But the plan didn't allow for a pig headed, not in the game, fighter like Trump.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:48 pm

    So Americans go back to being shafted by the politicians who play by swamp rules. Or in other words back to negligible democracy.
    Whatever anyone thought of Trump, he was the closest to a real president the US has had in decades.

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    Post  calripson on Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:50 pm

    I am agnostic regarding politics, but I understand logic, statistics, and probability. There is clear evidence of voter fraud in the last election. As an example, a supposedly party neutral vote input from the African American section of Philadelphia showed 23,076 votes for Biden and 0 for Trump. This is statistically impossible. In Michigan, dozens of districts indicated 96% of the registered voters voting with some districts reporting 100% of the registered voters voting. Once again, absent vote harvesting, this is impossible statistically. Less direct but still circumstantial, there are 19 swing districts across the USA that have voted for the winning candidate in each presidential election in the last 40 years. As an example, one of the suburban districts in this sample went for Obama by a 16% margin in 2012. Trump won 18 of these 19 districts and lost the election. Also circumstantial is the number of ballots filled out only for Biden with no other candidates selected - hundreds of thousands of such ballots in swing states. This partially explains the underperformance of Democrats in down ballot races. Why would partisan Democratic leaning voters not take the extra 30 seconds to fill out the complete ballot?

    Finally, on the software front, which is not my area of specialty, it has been reported that batches of vote results with time stamps received in Michigan exceeded the systems ability to process that number of votes. In other words, the votes had to be input into the system.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:57 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:The Dominion Voting Systems, the Smartmatic technology software, and the software that goes in other computerized voting systems, not just Dominion was created at the behest of Chavez.

    It's well known Chavez used this to flip votes and what not, this is what they are saying.

    It's not 'well known' Rolling Eyes you pulled that turd log out your ass, but you'll claim that to be God's divine truth. Meanwhile here's what Jimmy Carter had to say about the elections that Chavez won when he  monitored them:

    Jimmy Carter: "As a matter of fact, of the 92 elections that we've monitored, I would say that the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world."


    I'm sure you'll double down on your turd-nugget sandwich, no matter how much you gag! clown pwnd

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    Post  kvs on Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:00 pm

    The claim of limits on computer software is utterly ludicrous. A modern calculator has more memory than even mainframes had in
    the 1950s and early 1960s. Storing the details of 300,000,000 voters in excruciating detail is trivial. And since we are talking
    abut electoral districts, the numbers are closer 100,000. So voting machines in multiple poling stations in the same 100,000
    voter district were overwhelmed? Pure nonsense.

    I doubt that voters where voting at the rate of a thousand per microsecond resulting in some sort of actual overwhelming of
    any computer system. It takes hours for 100,000 to vote. And even the precious fraudulent mail-in ballots have to be
    input by hand one way or another.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:24 pm

    LOL Jimmy Carter was Buddying to Hugo so natural he said that. He wanted Hugo to look legit I swear this is elementary level politics, you've got to be pretty special to post that.
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    Post  AlfaT8 on Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:59 am

    The flippin user manual of the Dominion voting machine admits that the machine has high security Risks, like wow, talk about honesty. Razz

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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 21, 2020 4:05 am

    Another yanqui gimmick designed to snow the ignorant masses. Who needs the "primitive" old way. None of these
    saps stops to think about fraud. Since it supposedly never happens in the self-anointed beacon of democracy and
    humanity.

    People really need to grow brains. The Devil would never pose as himself, he would pose as a do-gooder.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:43 am

    So has anyone explained why voting machines design to provide corrupt results were used in the US elections?

    The amusing thing is that some are suggesting Chavez needed to fake votes... Venezuela is what the US will look like... as the wealth concentrates into fewer and fewer hands the majority start realising they are not benefiting from a system designed to funnel money into the pockets of a few select people so they just use their votes to solve the problem.

    Chavez and Maduro were and are popular politicians actually helping the people of their own countries rather than just lining their own pockets... they are very much like Putin... which is why the west hates all three with a passion.

    The real question is even assuming what they say is true... why is the US using voting equipment designed to allow changes to it later?

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:25 am

    Without wanting to comment on the honesty of Venezuelan elections it is important to note the difference between voter and elector fraud.

    At the voter level the system had stunning security, every voter had a biometric card, unique to them and mandatory for voting. This meant that an observer like Carter would indeed see what was, and I think still is, probably the best system at poll station level there is.

    What Carter could not see was what might have happened then when the votes were counted, allocated and passed up the system to national tally computers, the elector fraud. Where it all happened out of sight inside the black box where it all had to be taken in faith. This is the part that Carter would have had to have taken what Smartmatic told him at face value. As they were an 'honest by definition' British team what they told him was naturally assumed to be fact!

    Hence Carter's praise.

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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:59 am

    GarryB wrote:So has anyone explained why voting machines design to provide corrupt results were used in the US elections?

    The real question is even assuming what they say is true... why is the US using voting equipment designed to allow changes to it later?

    Because US politicians like to win it is acknowledged that on a local level there has often been graft to optimise their chances.

    I think that the problem started to get worse as the rewards for being in power, at all levels, started to increase dramatically, when national politicians entered Washington with normal wealth and exited as multi-millionaires. The turning point was probably when the politicians decided to allow corporations to fund their activities by reclassifying them as 'persons', which opened the cash floodgates.

    The Democrats, having become used to being top dog, most recently in the Obama years, were stunned to have lost to Trump and changed the rules of the game. Well organised, with a plan, they started to do what they needed to do to win in 2020. But first they had to regain the House. This meant upgrading the election system in key states that were voting in 2018, they achieved their objective with what was a dry run for 2020. They then applied a huge amount of pressure on postal voting, using the Covid crisis stunningly well, as they knew it was the key to vote manipulation on a large scale.

    That is where we are now. The pessimists say that if they indeed win this time they will change the rules of the game, by for example packing the Supreme Court with a Democrat majority, securing postal voting, allowing the tech companies to continue to suppress dissident comment etc. so that they don't lose again.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:49 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Without wanting to comment on the honesty of Venezuelan elections it is important to note the difference between voter and elector fraud.

    At the voter level the system had stunning security, every voter had a biometric card, unique to them and mandatory for voting. This meant that an observer like Carter would indeed see what was, and I think still is, probably the best system at poll station level there is.

    What Carter could not see was what might have happened then when the votes were counted, allocated and passed up the system to national tally computers, the elector fraud. Where it all happened out of sight inside the black box where it all had to be taken in faith. This is the part that Carter would have had to have taken what Smartmatic told him at face value. As they were an 'honest by definition' British team what they told him was naturally assumed to be fact!

    Hence Carter's praise.

    Yet you have no actual evidence of Chavez stealing the election, just hear-say supposition, and supposition can be interchangeable with suppository clown ...let me guess Guido was the 'REAL' leader even when Chavez was still alive? Wink

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    Post  LMFS on Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:50 pm

    Giuliani's conference, I guess it makes sense to listen to their allegations, but instead I only see media mocking something with his hair dye and repeat, in a clear display of mediatic power aimed to demoralizing Trump's camp, about the lack of evidence:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcXDIxpzzow

    Ignoring any detail about actual fraud existing or not, I have to say the manipulation I am seeing around this issue in MSM is simply grotesque and very concerning, in the West we live in brain-dead societies incapable of filtering even the most brazen use of propaganda. They can take us to war to die like happy idiots with a flick of the wrist, I have no doubt about it.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:46 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Without wanting to comment on the honesty of Venezuelan elections it is important to note the difference between voter and elector fraud.

    At the voter level the system had stunning security, every voter had a biometric card, unique to them and mandatory for voting. This meant that an observer like Carter would indeed see what was, and I think still is, probably the best system at poll station level there is.

    What Carter could not see was what might have happened then when the votes were counted, allocated and passed up the system to national tally computers, the elector fraud. Where it all happened out of sight inside the black box where it all had to be taken in faith. This is the part that Carter would have had to have taken what Smartmatic told him at face value. As they were an 'honest by definition' British team what they told him was naturally assumed to be fact!

    Hence Carter's praise.

    The same goes for every fucking precious western utopia including the UK. Stalin was right on target.

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    Post  kvs on Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:56 pm

    LMFS wrote:Giuliani's conference, I guess it makes sense to listen to their allegations, but instead I only see media mocking something with his hair dye and repeat, in a clear display of mediatic power aimed to demoralizing Trump's camp, about the lack of evidence:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcXDIxpzzow

    Ignoring any detail about actual fraud existing or not, I have to say the manipulation I am seeing around this issue in MSM is simply grotesque and very concerning, in the West we live in brain-dead societies incapable of filtering even the most brazen use of propaganda. They can take us to war to die like happy idiots with a flick of the wrist, I have no doubt about it.

    The western fake stream media is not about facts, it is about pushing false narratives. The official Michigan vote returns
    are proof already of fraud. The step function jump of Biden at 4 am as the ridiculous mail-in ballots 100% in favour of Biden
    came in. Why would mail-in ballots be only for one candidate? You don't even see this in electoral districts. If some genius
    starts claiming that only D. Party supporters used mail-in ballots that would require them to not go to polling stations. This
    would mean that the 4 am "returns" would only be filling the gap that was created earlier by their absence. But you can see
    that the spread between Biden and Trump was within the range expected based on opinion polls and voting patterns.

    And what happened to bad optics? They don't matter anymore? So what amounts to ballot stuffing at 4 am is OK in the USA?

    And since we had the issue of ballot counting being dredged up above, there were clear cases of malfeasance during ballot
    counting where R. Party observers were excluded as well as kept 20 feet away so they would not even be able to see
    anything. Then we had the joke of panels to cover a glass-enclosed ballot counting room.

    As posted by PapaDragon, in Serbia ballot counting has observers and not just ballot casting. In the USA, sheriffs threaten
    to imprison election observers and there are no observers outside the two main parties during ballot counts. No NGOs
    either. Third party candidates in the USA have no chance. And in the current crisis of division, the D. Party is not even
    playing nice with the R. Party to make the election look legit. It is fixing it like a banana republic.

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    Post  Hole on Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:01 pm

    The MSM repeats endlessly that this or that state/county has been declared for Bidet as if election fraud is null and void afterwards. If he "won" them with fake ballots he didn´t win them at all.
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    Post  LMFS on Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:35 pm

    kvs wrote:It is fixing it like a banana republic.

    It is the kind of mafia abuse of power by which an outcome is imposed by decree and everyone has to agree with what they know is completely false and so invest themselves in the fraud or get screwed. Giuliani's conference is long but is a masterclass in election fraud, all those cases you mention and many more, with witnesses and details. If they want to bury all that they need to apply disproportionate force, I feel sorry already for the people that have been brave enough for raising their voices.

    Hole wrote:The MSM repeats endlessly that this or that state/county has been declared for Bidet as if election fraud is null and void afterwards. If he "won" them with fake ballots he didn´t win them at all.

    Exactly, like in a false flag the official version is rushed before facts have been established, evidence is buried and dissident voices are smeared or simply eliminated. By the MO there is already no doubt that what has happened is the electoral equivalent of the twin towers event. When an operation in such scale is performed, the intentions and consequences are accordingly serious.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:08 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Without wanting to comment on the honesty of Venezuelan elections it is important to note the difference between voter and elector fraud.

    At the voter level the system had stunning security, every voter had a biometric card, unique to them and mandatory for voting. This meant that an observer like Carter would indeed see what was, and I think still is, probably the best system at poll station level there is.

    What Carter could not see was what might have happened then when the votes were counted, allocated and passed up the system to national tally computers, the elector fraud. Where it all happened out of sight inside the black box where it all had to be taken in faith. This is the part that Carter would have had to have taken what Smartmatic told him at face value. As they were an 'honest by definition' British team what they told him was naturally assumed to be fact!

    Hence Carter's praise.

    Yet you have no actual evidence of Chavez stealing the election, just hear-say supposition, and supposition can be interchangeable with suppository clown ...let me guess Guido was the 'REAL' leader even when Chavez was still alive? Wink

    Please don't put words in my mouth. Reread the first part of my first sentence.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:14 pm

    kvs wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Without wanting to comment on the honesty of Venezuelan elections it is important to note the difference between voter and elector fraud.

    At the voter level the system had stunning security, every voter had a biometric card, unique to them and mandatory for voting. This meant that an observer like Carter would indeed see what was, and I think still is, probably the best system at poll station level there is.

    What Carter could not see was what might have happened then when the votes were counted, allocated and passed up the system to national tally computers, the elector fraud. Where it all happened out of sight inside the black box where it all had to be taken in faith. This is the part that Carter would have had to have taken what Smartmatic told him at face value. As they were an 'honest by definition' British team what they told him was naturally assumed to be fact!

    Hence Carter's praise.

    The same goes for every fucking precious western utopia including the UK.   Stalin was right on target.

    Given your knowledge on the subject in this and other posts, please tell how you think the UK election systems works as it looks like I might have it wrong.

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