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    Post  LMFS on Sun Oct 25, 2020 9:40 pm

    This is IMHO a must read for anyone willing to understand the fundamental elements of realpolitik linking the Russian Federation and the independent republics arising from the rests of the Russian Empire and USSR:

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/russia-the-post-soviet-space/

    Very relevant to understand Russia's approach to the conflict in NK too...
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    Post  kvs on Sun Oct 25, 2020 11:51 pm

    LMFS wrote:This is IMHO a must read for anyone willing to understand the fundamental elements of realpolitik linking the Russian Federation and the independent republics arising from the rests of the Russian Empire and USSR:

    https://www.stalkerzone.org/russia-the-post-soviet-space/

    Very relevant to understand Russia's approach to the conflict in NK too...

    I am not that impressed. "Discrimination" against "conquered" peoples in Russia was no such thing. Russia offered an economically
    advantageous safe harbour for many of the indigenous groups who were not all singing cumbaya around a campfire before Russian
    imperialists showed up. As in North America strife between ethnic groups was normal and brutal. Russia offered the 3rd party
    mediator role that made "imperial subservience" worthwhile. For countries like Georgia it was about survival in the face of brutal
    Turk expansionism. Contrast Russia with Turkey if you want to know what Russian "imperialism" looks like.

    Association of various peoples with the Russian empire meant that they were typically left to their own devices. This is not
    discrimination, this is laissez-faire. The Russian center did not dispatch brutal viceroys to impose Russian culture and language
    on these peoples. That is why they still speak their native languages today. Contrast that with even integrated countries like
    the UK where Welsh was deliberately being eradicated during the 1800s with tactics like residential schools for Canadian aboriginals
    where children where beaten for speaking their own language and the purpose was to convert them into another culture. Russia
    never had residential schools or such agendas.

    The term Tsar of All the Russias is actually very radical for any monarchy. Russia's self image was of a pluralistic ethnic composite
    and not ethnic-chauvinist Russian monochromatism. The USSR took the laissez-faire policy of Russian poly-ethnicity and turned it
    into a species of identity politics BS. This why the "chauvinist" Russian center was suppressed much like today's cultural Trotskyists
    wail against whites and claim minorities cannot be racist. So we had grotesque gifting of ethnic Russian lands to fake constructs
    like Ukraine and Moldova. The USSR force-elevated the republics and we see them evanesce to their natural state after the breakup
    in 1991. Baltic statelets demand reparations for "Russian occupation" but all of their economies exist thanks to this "occupation".
    It is not an exaggeration to state that they were rural backwaters even during the 1930s. They were also not rich rural backwaters
    but poor ones.

    So the Russian Empire policy was vastly more sane than the Soviet one. All these "discriminated" against peoples were under no
    yoke and their development was at their own pace. It is a pure lie to claim that Russia deprived them of some golden future.
    The last 30 years proves that no such future was waiting for them during the 1900s.

    But the Siberian expanses were sparsely populated. For this reason, they were easily subdued by small Cossack bands, but then there was the problem of controlling and retaining the conquered lands.

    This is a simply BS claim. The Cossacks would have fought any bandits and not whole ethnic groups. A few Cossacks would
    be physically unable to subdue whole peoples. That is true even if there were not many of them. In fact, fewer people
    scattered over large territory are harder to subdue. By contrast, in the USA and Canada the policy was to subdue whole
    peoples and thus we had creation of reservation ghettos. Disease helped Europeans take over the new world, but there
    was plenty of slaughter involved as well. In Argentina the Patagonians were exterminated down to the last one. In this
    regard the USA and Canada are better, but only relatively.

    It is not an accident of the USSR that all sorts of ethnic groups have functional republics that could secede from the Russian
    Federation. If the Russian Empire would have followed the policy of other colonialist Europeans, there would have been
    a collection of useless reservations and not countries.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:26 am

    Yep and that stuff (rise of f Muscovy from the Mongol yoke, expansion anf conquest of Central Asia and Siberia) would make an excellent tv series. Enough material to nake a show as long as GoT and with right budget and people in charge it would be a masterpiece.
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    Post  LMFS on Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:50 am

    kvs wrote:I am not that impressed.

    I wonder if we read the same article, I would say the author is telling essentially the same as you. Biggest difference may be your take on how the East was taken, obviously violence was needed or the existing political power would not have been substituted.



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