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    Post  par far on Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:23 am

    Protesters over ‘rigged’ election break into government headquarters in Kyrgyzstan capital (VIDEO)

    Another CIA backed coup is happening.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/502642-kyrgyzstan-white-house-stormed/
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Oct 06, 2020 2:03 am

    par far wrote:Protesters over ‘rigged’ election break into government headquarters in Kyrgyzstan capital (VIDEO)

    Another CIA backed coup is happening.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/502642-kyrgyzstan-white-house-stormed/

    This is Chinese problem not Russian


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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:48 pm

    Who knows. Kyrgyzstan seems to go through this often.

    What I'm perplexed is what is gonna happen in Russia next elections?

    Essentially, people now believe if your party doesn't win, burn everything down. Anarchy and chaos now will be only defining way of rule?

    This is bad. Real bad.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:31 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    par far wrote:Protesters over ‘rigged’ election break into government headquarters in Kyrgyzstan capital (VIDEO)

    Another CIA backed coup is happening.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/502642-kyrgyzstan-white-house-stormed/

    This is Chinese problem not Russian



    No, there's the fuckery in Afghanistan (the Jihadists and the Heroin) which was designed to be exported in to various Eurasian states to destabilize them, including Russia. You saw what happens when they take over, say Georgia? All of sudden the Pankisi Gorge is a corridor for jihadists to be transported in to the Federation. It's better to fight them abroad then fighting them at home.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Oct 06, 2020 4:52 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    par far wrote:Protesters over ‘rigged’ election break into government headquarters in Kyrgyzstan capital (VIDEO)

    Another CIA backed coup is happening.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/502642-kyrgyzstan-white-house-stormed/

    This is Chinese problem not Russian



    No, there's the fuckery in Afghanistan (the Jihadists and the Heroin) which was designed to be exported in to various Eurasian states to destabilize them, including Russia. You saw what happens when they take over, say Georgia? All of sudden the Pankisi Gorge is a corridor for jihadists to be transported in to the Federation. It's better to fight them abroad then fighting them at home.

    Other option, much smarter and easier, is to close down the southern border entirely and also increase troop and rosgvardii units in area. That prevents flow of jihadists. Build a wall too!

    And then let these shitholes nations kill each other.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:33 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    par far wrote:Protesters over ‘rigged’ election break into government headquarters in Kyrgyzstan capital (VIDEO)

    Another CIA backed coup is happening.

    https://www.rt.com/russia/502642-kyrgyzstan-white-house-stormed/

    This is Chinese problem not Russian



    No, there's the fuckery in Afghanistan (the Jihadists and the Heroin) which was designed to be exported in to various Eurasian states to destabilize them, including Russia. You saw what happens when they take over, say Georgia? All of sudden the Pankisi Gorge is a corridor for jihadists to be transported in to the Federation. It's better to fight them abroad then fighting them at home.

    Other option, much smarter and easier, is to close down the southern border entirely and also increase troop and rosgvardii units in area.  That prevents flow of jihadists.  Build a wall too!

    And then let these shitholes nations kill each other.

    Not really an option, a better option would be prevent them from imploding. By letting it implode your basically sending this message "Hey Turkey, Edrogan, it's free real estate for you to export your parasitic, cancerous and verminous influence in yet another country!" That's right the Turkmen extremists in the north of Afghanistan are in fact controlled by Turkey, so by destroying them you weaken Turkey/Erdogan's influence overall. I'm not saying recreate the Soviet-Afghan war, I'm saying to prevent them from expanding their influence in to the former USSR...and by 'their influence' I'm specifically talking about Erdogan's Turkmen Jihadistssaries, not so much the Taliban. The Taliban can stay where they're at, as long as they don't expand beyond their borders.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:43 pm

    The problem is ethnicity.  These people don't give a flying shit other than they were "once Turks" (heavily debatable and mostly just either a case of rape babies or forced to convert or assimilate).  They are always too busy "sticking it to Russia" and or fighting amongst each other.  Reason why Russia has so many problems around them and even internally is a few reasons and the major one is the "diversity" that is more or less retards who care about their ethnic group than anything else. It is what creates division and they are easily used and swayed by the US to more or less create destabilized situations.

    Russia on the other hand has real shit soft power and has not only allowed itself to be opened up but their allies too, to western based NGO's, liberals and other groups who promote this shit.

    Hence why Turkeys method seems better. Be strong, be aggressive and demand from your allies even if you semi resemble them.

    Russia on other hand nearly lost Belarus, lost Ukraine, Lost Armenia, etc.  And for what?

    It's all a bad joke.

    Before Russia can work on soft power, they got to get their own shit in order. Stamp down on liberals hard, stamp down on minorities who wish to have their own random fiefdom, and start getting their republics in order along with their politicians.

    Then they can try to work on some sort of unity project.  Until then, keeping the vermin out is more ideal for Russia than trying to play the same game when your enemy has much stronger internal control than yourself and you have yourself opened to so much internal strife that it can cause a civil war only because of "mah Islam" or "Mah Turkish heritage".
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    Post  George1 on Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:23 pm

    Russia’s airbase in Kyrgyzstan put on high alert amid escalation in republic
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Oct 06, 2020 9:48 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:.... That's right the Turkmen extremists in the north of Afghanistan are in fact controlled by Turkey...

    Taliban will soon be legal govermen of Afghanistan

    Just thrown some money their way and tell them to start killing Turkmens

    It's all kosher, easy-peasy



    As for Turkmenistan itself, this is where it's located:
    The situation in Kyrgyzstan Kyrgyzstan-map-features-locator

    It's China's problem

    It's barely even in ballpark of Russia

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Oct 07, 2020 8:07 am

    Well for all their faults the Taleban will at least get rid of the drug trade...

    Not a group I would like to live with, but the US had their chance and didn't give a shit about neighbours concerns regarding the production of drugs, so no reason to help them... the Taleban look like the best of a poor choice of losers.... a bit like the US election 2020...
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    Post  Maximmmm on Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:02 pm

    Михеев had a good summary of the situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVYbffRUpDo
    I have to say I agree with most of the points. In short (and to our non-russian speaking friends), most post-soviet states are unable to form actual countries as they have no history and no elites that have some sort of understanding of what their country is. In some states like Belarus and Kazakhstan this is mitigated by strong centralized power by a person who managed to get a firm grip, in other places like Kyrgyzstan the central power failed to materialize and they simply reverted to their historical normal, which is constant competition between rival clans. "Democracy" only exists as a fake face on these internal clan rivalries since if you don't have democracy the US comes a knocking.
    You have the south of the country that outnumbers the north, but since the capital is in the north a few thousand angry northerners can decide to invalidate an election. And it keeps going back and forth in an endless seesaw. Most of the rivalry is about control of drug-smuggling routes and local businesses (like gold mines). They have no loyalty to anyone, even though some of these leaders have ostensibly been pro-US or pro-Turk the outcome is always the same.
    What eventually happens is that they come to Moscow hat in hand to ask for hand-outs which we inevitably give them, because without our money those states don't exist.
    In a way they're smarter than the Ukrainians and some other states as they don't try and play big boy geopolitics, they just lightly squeeze a little money out of what they can, Chinese here, Russians there.  

    What is absolutely retarded is that Moscow has the tools to subjugate and prop up any government that exists in Bishkek and we don't.
    It's very simple, as soon as a local leader decides to try some multi-vector shit, put 100000 Kyrgyz nationals on trains, deport them all home and give them a small pamphlet that explains "sorry guy, you're getting deported because your president is a moron". Guaranteed loyalty will follow. Half of that country lives in Russia, if we put thousands of angry, jobless men on trains straight to Bishkek and told them who's to blame it would be over in an instant.
    But no, of course this doesn't happen because cheap Kyrgyz labor is big business and our government is too beholden to businessmen to ever take a strategic decision before there's a gun at our head.

    Came out a bit ranty, but hey it happens sometimes Embarassed

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    Post  par far on Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:11 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Who knows. Kyrgyzstan seems to go through this often.

    What I'm perplexed is what is gonna happen in Russia next elections?

    Essentially, people now believe if your party doesn't win, burn everything down. Anarchy and chaos now will be only defining way of rule?

    This is bad. Real bad.


    Even before the elections in Belarus, Russian intelligence, already knew there would a coup attempt. Only Lukashenko was stupid. Russian intelligence is on top of things, especially when it comes to it self and its neighbors.

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    Post  George1 on Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:51 pm

    Martial law in Kyrgyzstan. A brigade of special forces "Scorpion" of the Kyrgyz army entered Bishkek

    https://dambiev.livejournal.com/2085541.html
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    Post  par far on Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:26 pm

    "KYRGYZSTAN – THE REVOLUTION BEYOND THE COLOR AGENDA,"

    A western puppet is installed in Kyrgyzstan.


    https://southfront.org/kyrgyzstan-the-revolution-beyond-the-color-agenda/

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:35 pm

    its a wait and see.

    Why do you associate every revolution a western puppet is installed?

    Do you have proof he is a western puppet?

    The complicated social-economic situation in the country was among the main reasons of the new crisis. Surprisingly for a post-USSR state, there are no indications that the crisis became a result of some foreign meddling. However, the situation is complicated by the traditional conflict between the northern and southern clans of the country’s political elite as well as split within the ruling Social Democratic Party (SDPK). The social and economic roots of the current situation explains why a large part of the law enforcements and the government apparatus of the country in fact supported the protests or did not take active measures to contain them. This led to a relatively peaceful shift of power in Kyrgyzstan.

    Another interesting fact, which is the result of the lack of foreign meddling in the crisis, is that the opposition did not express anti-Russian sentiments. Instead, the opposition leaders reportedly support the idea of a further bilateral cooperation with Russia. Japarov himself is known for his constructive position towards the cooperation with Russia and, contrary to ‘democratic opposition leaders’ in such countries as Ukraine or Belarus, do not base his influence on the foreign support or money.
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    Post  par far on Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:24 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:its a wait and see.

    Why do you associate every revolution a western puppet is installed?

    Do you have proof he is a western puppet?

    The complicated social-economic situation in the country was among the main reasons of the new crisis. Surprisingly for a post-USSR state, there are no indications that the crisis became a result of some foreign meddling. However, the situation is complicated by the traditional conflict between the northern and southern clans of the country’s political elite as well as split within the ruling Social Democratic Party (SDPK). The social and economic roots of the current situation explains why a large part of the law enforcements and the government apparatus of the country in fact supported the protests or did not take active measures to contain them. This led to a relatively peaceful shift of power in Kyrgyzstan.

    Another interesting fact, which is the result of the lack of foreign meddling in the crisis, is that the opposition did not express anti-Russian sentiments. Instead, the opposition leaders reportedly support the idea of a further bilateral cooperation with Russia. Japarov himself is known for his constructive position towards the cooperation with Russia and, contrary to ‘democratic opposition leaders’ in such countries as Ukraine or Belarus, do not base his influence on the foreign support or money.


    It is always the west that does this kind of shit Mike, I really want to destroy itself.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:38 pm

    The US is trapped in the past.  It is fighting a WWII-era war.   Grabbing real estate around Russia is pointless.   Russia is not
    the size of Lichtenstein and any dreams of boost phase ICBM interception are just retarded.   As for conventional force projection
    from all the loser 'stans around Russia, that is not even a joke.

    The only angle the yanquis have is smuggling drugs.   They have re-established the heroin production in Afghanistan and want to
    direct it into Russia via central Asia.   The solution to this is to impose Draconian border controls, including laying minefields and
    barbed wire fences along its border with these statelets.   This on top of stopping any transport of people and goods through
    those borders.   Enabling drug smuggling should be considered grade A aggression and acted upon accordingly.   Those statelets
    are worth nothing and only they benefit from economic ties to Russia.   Their elites can choose what they want: food or starvation.

    BTW, Russia needs to adopt a "cut them off" policy with any regime-changed 'stan on its border or near it. America and its
    EU minions are not going to subsidize all these failed states. Kyrgyzstan and similar cannot afford to be slice off from Russia.
    Even Banderastan is learning the hard way about this cold, bitter reality. So the best counter-measure to Uncle Swine-shit's
    meddling and plans for the genocide of Russians is to lop off in a Draconian fashion all the traitor statelets that still think they
    can leech off Russia while enabling its destruction.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:45 am

    Maybe redirecting is the solution.... capture it on the Russian border and ship it to south america for distribution north... lace it with something that makes you infertile...

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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:46 am

    par far wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:its a wait and see.

    Why do you associate every revolution a western puppet is installed?

    Do you have proof he is a western puppet?

    The complicated social-economic situation in the country was among the main reasons of the new crisis. Surprisingly for a post-USSR state, there are no indications that the crisis became a result of some foreign meddling. However, the situation is complicated by the traditional conflict between the northern and southern clans of the country’s political elite as well as split within the ruling Social Democratic Party (SDPK). The social and economic roots of the current situation explains why a large part of the law enforcements and the government apparatus of the country in fact supported the protests or did not take active measures to contain them. This led to a relatively peaceful shift of power in Kyrgyzstan.

    Another interesting fact, which is the result of the lack of foreign meddling in the crisis, is that the opposition did not express anti-Russian sentiments. Instead, the opposition leaders reportedly support the idea of a further bilateral cooperation with Russia. Japarov himself is known for his constructive position towards the cooperation with Russia and, contrary to ‘democratic opposition leaders’ in such countries as Ukraine or Belarus, do not base his influence on the foreign support or money.


    It is always the west that does this kind of shit Mike, I really want to destroy itself.

    Yes and no. Many also are tribal in this region of the world. While America may foment unrest, it was like a half dozen times already for this country.

    Russia already froze all aid to the nation till things are settled. So yeah. Wait and see.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:36 pm

    par far wrote:"KYRGYZSTAN – THE REVOLUTION BEYOND THE COLOR AGENDA,"

    A western puppet is installed in Kyrgyzstan.

    If true then China should do something about it



    miketheterrible wrote:Russia already froze all aid to the nation till things are settled. So yeah. Wait and see.

    Good, they should keep it frozen indefinitely

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    Post  franco on Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:39 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    par far wrote:"KYRGYZSTAN – THE REVOLUTION BEYOND THE COLOR AGENDA,"

    A western puppet is installed in Kyrgyzstan.

    If true then China should do something about it



    miketheterrible wrote:Russia already froze all aid to the nation till things are settled. So yeah. Wait and see.

    Good, they should keep it frozen indefinitely


    Like Armenia a couple of years back, this is an internal matter so mother Russia is staying neutral as much as possible... no Western color revolution in play here.

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