Isos wrote:Armenia never asked for russian help.
Nikol called Putin 3 times. Do you think he called to ask how is the weather is in Moscow?
Of course he asked for help and now we can guess the answer. The reason of not officially asking help is pure political to show the enemy that we have cards.
That is an occupied region, if Armenia is so worried about a genocide they can move people into Armenia.
Moscow has made it clear they will not help Armenia over land even they consider occupied.
By your logic Crimea is occupied as well? No, its people living in their historical lands and everybody here knows it.
Thinking that it's about Karabakh is extremely naive. It's about wiping out all Armenians from the region to create Turkic empire. We all know Erdoğan and we all know what he wants.
Wagner is already on their way to Armenia, if not already landed
ANNA News has already landed. That's a tell-tale sign
This afternoon there were meetings between a visiting Russian delegation and the former president of Armenia
So no, there will be no abandonment of Armenia, just because Pashinyan was courting the EU a bit, closing Russian language schools or what not. None of that actually matters next to strategic security interests (but for sure Russia will iron out a guarantee that this will be reversed).
All this defeatism is the same as when people were speculating that Russia will abandon Syria because OMFG gas, oil deals with Turkey, Turkey so much more important.
miketheterrible wrote:Well, seeing as a huge portion of land Russia obtained are from countries/civilizations that don't really exist anymore, can't say it's a fair comparison.
But the fact it's land that under UN isn't recognized as Armenian and Russia agreed to that, kinda puts things into perspective for Armenians. No one will help them in that land but they themselves.
My only guess will be Russia providing Armenia with weapons like how Turkey does for Azerbaijan. That's about it
Japan exists, China exists, Germany exists etc, a lot of the areas I speak of the respective countries do exist.
So it's quite a fair comparison.
Why yes but that doesn't matter that Russia nor the UN see it has Azeri land, the standard is "Historical" it belongs to Armenia there-fore its Armenian land. So I assume for people going with that logic, they will apply the same logic to all is my point.
There are no more Germans in Kaliningrad, no more Ainu on south Sakhalin and the Kurils (the Japs took them all with them), and no more Manchu in the Vladivostok and Khabarovsk regions.
In regards to the first two these changes were the result of WW2, in the case of the later it was good old fashioned Russian imperialism but regardless the Manchu dynasty doesn't rule China anymore and in fact barely exist as a people nowadays.
Armenia is a tiny country that is about 1/5th of the size it once was and suffered a genocide a century ago, I don't think there's in the mood for being removed from yet another region where they've lived in for centuries if not longer.