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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:29 pm

    Arrow wrote:Putin will not come in. Putin is afraid of Turkey. Turkey becomes a regional power and deals the cards in the South Caucasus. Turkey is an ally of Azejberjan and will not allow Russia to touch it.

    You are as usual a retard.

    Turkey has no power over Russia. Russia has Nukes, Turkey does not.  Russia has a larger army than Turkey.  Russia has longer range missiles to hit Turkey within Russia. Russia is richer than Turkey, by a long shot. Turkey relies on imports of technology while Russia does not. Etc etc etc.

    Russia can devastate Turkey within a a week. They can destroy Azerbaijan's army within a Day. But they wont do it because it is their backyard and Russia isn't one to just make it into a parking lot.

    It is just Russia isn't a retard like you or Erdogan.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:47 pm

    Isos wrote:Reports of a russian navy exercice in the middle of the Caspian sea in front of Baku.

    Another S-300 attacked and destroyed. Bad for Armenia. It seems to be in middle of mountains which would ve weired deployment. Probably another fake.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/1317444920374890496

    Matter of time before Putin is obliged to go in. Will be horrible for Azerbaijan.

    OK, so the question is - where was that S-300 located?  And, how come the footage is very different in color?  I have worked with various camera's over the years and never seen that before unless it is two different pictures and thus raises the question - what is the legitimacy of said video?

    As well, are we sure it wasnt a decoy since those things are nearly everywhere in Russia and post soviet states?

    Unless there is some kind of confirmation, it is just guessing. Some videos may be fake, some videos may not be. Some are spliced.

    Propaganda sure works. I never really thought it would be so easy to fool people these days but hey!
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    Post  lyle6 on Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:05 pm

    Arrow wrote:Putin will not come in. Putin is afraid of Turkey. Turkey becomes a regional power and deals the cards in the South Caucasus. Turkey is an ally of Azejberjan and will not allow Russia to touch it.
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    Post  Maximmmm on Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:15 pm

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    Stay safe out there brother.

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    Post  Arrow on Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:16 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Putin will not come in. Putin is afraid of Turkey. Turkey becomes a regional power and deals the cards in the South Caucasus. Turkey is an ally of Azejberjan and will not allow Russia to touch it.

    You are as usual a retard.

    Turkey has no power over Russia. Russia has Nukes, Turkey does not.  
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    So what if he has nuclear weapons. Against Turkey, Russia will not use it. Turkey is a powerful army. Putin does not want a war with Turkey and will not jump on it. For now, it is Turkey who deals the cards in the South Caucasus. In Syria, Putin is also considering Turkey.
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    Post  AbdulhamidtheSecond on Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:42 pm

    Arrow wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Putin will not come in. Putin is afraid of Turkey. Turkey becomes a regional power and deals the cards in the South Caucasus. Turkey is an ally of Azejberjan and will not allow Russia to touch it.

    You are as usual a retard.

    Turkey has no power over Russia. Russia has Nukes, Turkey does not.  
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    So what if he has nuclear weapons. Against Turkey, Russia will not use it. Turkey is a powerful army. Putin does not want a war with Turkey and will not jump on it. For now, it is Turkey who deals the cards in the South Caucasus. In Syria, Putin is also considering Turkey.

    Turkey is not a nuclear state. Those few US nukes are also dislocated and currently Turkey does not possess any nuclear warheads. Launching a nuclear attack on a non-nuclear country would simply show how animal Russia is.
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    Post  Arrow on Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:47 pm

    The elite in the Kremlin are powerless over Turkey. That is why Turkey is playing as it pleases in the South Caucasus.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:33 pm

    Arrow wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Putin will not come in. Putin is afraid of Turkey. Turkey becomes a regional power and deals the cards in the South Caucasus. Turkey is an ally of Azejberjan and will not allow Russia to touch it.

    You are as usual a retard.

    Turkey has no power over Russia. Russia has Nukes, Turkey does not.  
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    So what if he has nuclear weapons. Against Turkey, Russia will not use it. Turkey is a powerful army. Putin does not want a war with Turkey and will not jump on it. For now, it is Turkey who deals the cards in the South Caucasus. In Syria, Putin is also considering Turkey.

    Turkey buys weapons from Russia. That's a proof that Russia is more powerfull than Turkey.

    Turkey has no powerfull aviation. No long range cruise missiles. No nuclear subs. No blue water navy. It totally depends on foreign components for its MIC products.

    Just the 12 su-57 prototypes could wipe out Turkish air force over Armenia.

    Their stipid drones work only against under armed military groups.

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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:45 pm


    It's funny that Erdogan said he will not recognize the annexation of Crimea ,so what ? it doesn't matter if he did or not .

    So strange to act like a superpower but you are not .

    That's why the Russian killed the Turkish soldiers in Syria but Erdogan did nothing against Russia except he went to the Krimlen and waited for two minutes in front of the door .

    That's why Egypt put red lines in Libya and Turkey didn't across .

    The Saudi markets now are rejecting to import any Turkish products .

    Even Israel killed the Turkish citizens on 2010 and Erdogan didn't fire a bullet there . Actually Turkey is struggling now to take any part from the EEZ with Greece and they can't face EU and US.

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    Post  Isos on Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:56 pm

    Some say Pakistani are already there. Against Russia that would be useless because they wouldn't launch a ground operation, just blow up their defences from the air and with artillery.
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    Post  kvs on Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:32 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Putin will not come in. Putin is afraid of Turkey. Turkey becomes a regional power and deals the cards in the South Caucasus. Turkey is an ally of Azejberjan and will not allow Russia to touch it.

    You are as usual a retard.

    Turkey has no power over Russia. Russia has Nukes, Turkey does not.  Russia has a larger army than Turkey.  Russia has longer range missiles to hit Turkey within Russia. Russia is richer than Turkey, by a long shot.  Turkey relies on imports of technology while Russia does not. Etc etc etc.

    Russia can devastate Turkey within a a week.  They can destroy Azerbaijan's army within a Day.  But they wont do it because it is their backyard and Russia isn't one to just make it into a parking lot.

    It is just Russia isn't a retard like you or Erdogan.

    He drinks the NATzO fake stream media excrement spew that Russia's army was fighting in the Donbass and could not defeat Kiev regime paramilitary outfits like Azov.
    Russia took out the US-Isreal trained Georgian army in 2008 using a rag tag unit from Chechnya. Of course there was air support, but all those US advisors and
    humvees did jack shit.

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:50 pm

    Arrow wrote:Putin will not come in. Putin is afraid of Turkey. Turkey becomes a regional power and deals the cards in the South Caucasus. Turkey is an ally of Azejberjan and will not allow Russia to touch it.

    And what's Turkey going to do if Russia did? their army is far weaker conventionally than Russia's, Turkey's only hope would be NATO and NATO isn't going to go in over Azeribijan if Turkey decides to get its men killed by sending them there.

    This is a moronic statement.

    Of course Russia isn't going to do anything long as Azeri keeps the battle in NK.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:03 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Putin will not come in. Putin is afraid of Turkey. Turkey becomes a regional power and deals the cards in the South Caucasus. Turkey is an ally of Azejberjan and will not allow Russia to touch it.

    And what's Turkey going to do if Russia did? their army is far weaker conventionally than Russia's, Turkey's only hope would be NATO and NATO isn't going to go in over Azeribijan if Turkey decides to get its men killed by sending them there.

    This is a moronic statement.

    Of course Russia isn't going to do anything long as Azeri keeps the battle in NK.

    Well technically Azerbaijan already attacked inside Armenia so they could ask Russian help publically. Putin will have no choice than go in because if he doesn't then he loose credibility.

    But everything happens behind the doors and russians are working to stop the war and making sure Armenia doesn't ask for help over this conflict but also sends military signals to Azerbaijan to not push too much.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:24 pm

    So this was the master plan of Erdoğan.
    Armenia can't win alone and no other country can help them.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:31 pm


    Pashinyan & Co are still trying to low key get in on the NATO game, I don't thing this is making Armenia look any better in Russian book (I'd say effect is exactly the opposite)

    Armenian president wants NATO to explain Turkish involvement in Nagorno-Karabakh

    https://www.politico.eu/article/armenia-president-armen-sarkissian-nato-turkey-involvement-nagorno-karabakh/


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    Post  GarryB on Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:31 am

    They hope the upcoming Donbas war and the invasion of Armenia proper Putin won't do anything because Putin can't afford to fight a two front war.

    Putin will soon realize he will be betrayed by his best buddy Erdogan just like Stalin was betrayed by his best buddy Hitler. S-400 will soon be transferred from Turkey to the US for analysis.

    The Ukraine can invade Donbas any time they like... if they want their asses kicked hard then go ahead... any Russians in that area are there by their own choice, and that has nothing to do with Russia... just like Latvian Nazis going to Ukraine to get to kill Russian speaking Ukrainians is nothing to do with Latvia.

    Why do you think Putin can't fight a war on two fronts?

    Neither a conflict in Ukraine with full Russian intervention or a Russian attack on the Azeri capital and oil industry would take more than a tiny percent of Russian military resources. The Russians will know exactly what targets to hit to do the most damage and will likely do it quickly when it is clear the enemy are acting and have crossed the line.

    Erdogan is not and has never been Putins best buddy... and neither has Assad... Russias position in the region would not change at all if both were removed tonight and replaced.

    And Stalin was never buddies with Hitler... the cooperation and joint work on armour and other military technology between the Soviets and the Germans stopped in 1933 when Hitler took power and it never restarted.

    S-400 will keep Israeli aircraft and US aircraft from their next coup in Turkey when they try to remove Erdogan from power again...

    Putin will not come in. Putin is afraid of Turkey. Turkey becomes a regional power and deals the cards in the South Caucasus. Turkey is an ally of Azejberjan and will not allow Russia to touch it.

    Putin has said what he sees as Russias role in this... if Turkey or the Azeris attack Armenia they will see what Putin will do, but for now Armenia has not asked for help... if the Armenians find they can't push the Azeris back like they did last time then they will start asking Russia for assistance...

    So what if he has nuclear weapons. Against Turkey, Russia will not use it. Turkey is a powerful army. Putin does not want a war with Turkey and will not jump on it. For now, it is Turkey who deals the cards in the South Caucasus. In Syria, Putin is also considering Turkey.

    Of course Russia does not want war with Turkey, but if Turkey attacks Armenia then that is what they will have.

    Russia does not need to use nukes... they have a variety of options...

    Launching a nuclear attack on a non-nuclear country would simply show how animal Russia is.

    Very unlikely Russia would consider using nuclear weapons, but when attacked by animals having mercy makes little sense when local authorities will put a mad dog down anyway...

    The elite in the Kremlin are powerless over Turkey. That is why Turkey is playing as it pleases in the South Caucasus.

    Sounds like the squealing of a pig about to be eaten by the big bad wolf.... if the mouse trap closes before the mouse has its head inside the trap eating the bait then the trap will spring shut on thin air and the mouse will then be free to eat the bait.

    Not suggesting this is something that Russia has set up to trap the Azeris or the Turks... they blundered into this minefield on their own... at least the Ukrainians were led with cookies and promises of a wealthy future by the Americans...

    Their stipid drones work only against under armed military groups.

    Drones are still new and armies are still learning to deal with them... and that is all armies... not just the very rich ones.

    Even Israel killed the Turkish citizens on 2010 and Erdogan didn't fire a bullet there . Actually Turkey is struggling now to take any part from the EEZ with Greece and they can't face EU and US.

    They do seem to burn bridges and not show loyalty to anyone for very long... I have a lot of respect for Turkey, New Zealanders went to their country in WWI and tried to kill them yet they still treat our dead with respect despite what we were doing there... where is that country?

    And what's Turkey going to do if Russia did? their army is far weaker conventionally than Russia's, Turkey's only hope would be NATO and NATO isn't going to go in over Azeribijan if Turkey decides to get its men killed by sending them there.

    Funny... Turkey had better be really careful if they want HATO to get involved... aren't the Kardashians Armenian?

    Putin will have no choice than go in because if he doesn't then he loose credibility.

    Yeah, you can tell by all the things he has done or not done in the past he really cares about what the western and international media think of him.

    I would say he would have no choice because he has credibility and integrity and it would be the right thing to do...

    Pashinyan & Co are still trying to low key get in on the NATO game, I don't thing this is making Armenia look any better in Russian book (I'd say effect is exactly the opposite)

    Armenian president wants NATO to explain Turkish involvement in Nagorno-Karabakh

    I would say this actually makes sense because if Armenia can get Turkey to back off then the Azeris would be much easier for them to deal with on their own.

    The risk of also facing Turkish forces probably complicates things and makes Russia being brought in more necessary and I am sure they would prefer to deal with this themselves.

    Even I am not old enough to remember but WWI started when two groups got into a conflict and called in support from larger powers because of treaties and agreements signed... pretty soon some jerk shooting some toff turned into WWI and bloody murder and death throughout europe to be followed a couple of decades later by round II because if the inept way the first one was ended.

    Nice to see some politicians not wanting external interference and just wanting to deal with things themselves.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:11 am

    Armenia, Azerbaijan Agree to Another Humanitarian Ceasefire
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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:44 am

    Isos wrote:
    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Arrow wrote:Putin will not come in. Putin is afraid of Turkey. Turkey becomes a regional power and deals the cards in the South Caucasus. Turkey is an ally of Azejberjan and will not allow Russia to touch it.

    And what's Turkey going to do if Russia did? their army is far weaker conventionally than Russia's, Turkey's only hope would be NATO and NATO isn't going to go in over Azeribijan if Turkey decides to get its men killed by sending them there.

    This is a moronic statement.

    Of course Russia isn't going to do anything long as Azeri keeps the battle in NK.

    Well technically Azerbaijan already attacked inside Armenia so they could ask Russian help publically. Putin will have no choice than go in because if he doesn't then he loose credibility.

    But everything happens behind the doors and russians are working to stop the war and making sure Armenia doesn't ask for help over this conflict but also sends military signals to Azerbaijan to not push too much.

    Have they?

    You see, there is a difference between internet claims and we'll, reality. I have heard they attacked Armenia proper. But no one actually officially said anything.

    It was like how Ukrainian weapons attacked Russia directly. Guess what? It was officially said and Russia responded (remember Shavchenko?).

    So I'm still waiting for Armenia to state they were officially hit and want Russia's assistance.

    So far, mum.
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    Post  medo on Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:52 am

    Tai Hai Chen wrote:Ottomans captured Hadrut. The next target is Stepanakert. Then they'll go after Armenia proper to take the Azeri enclaves in Armenia. Russia won't act because of Putin's relationship with Erdogan. This will prompt Armenia to abandon CSTO and join NATO for protection from Ottomans especially considering Biden / Harris will recognize Artsakh considering California recognizes Artsakh since 2014.

    https://twitter.com/cavidaga/status/1317120441924943875?s=21

    They didn't. On video all objects are intact. No damage. It was from days before, when turkish commandos enter in Hadrut, but was forced to leave it. After that Azerbaijani artillery start desteroying the town. If they went in now, the town will look totaly different.
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    Post  medo on Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:57 am

    Isos wrote:Reports of a russian navy exercice in the middle of the Caspian sea in front of Baku.

    Another S-300 attacked and destroyed. Bad for Armenia. It seems to be in middle of mountains which would ve weired deployment. Probably another fake.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee1/status/1317444920374890496

    Matter of time before Putin is obliged to go in. Will be horrible for Azerbaijan.

    No radars anywhere to use them? Dummies maybe?

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    Armenians well use dummies and written off equipment for false targets.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:07 am

    Possible. The video is shitty to confirm anything.

    The location seem to be also surounded by mountains so you don't put such system there.

    Also I doubt they will move the S-300 from Yerevan.

    Azerbaijan looks like used an israeli LORA missile which empties its stocks.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:13 am

    miketheterrible wrote:

    Have they?

    You see, there is a difference between internet claims and we'll, reality.  I have heard they attacked Armenia proper.  But no one actually officially said anything.

    It was like how Ukrainian weapons attacked Russia directly.  Guess what? It was officially said and Russia responded (remember Shavchenko?).

    So I'm still waiting for Armenia to state they were officially hit and want Russia's assistance.

    So far, mum.

    That's what I'm saying. If they got attacked in Armenia and have the proofs, just show them ane let the president ask for russian help on TV.

    Yeah, you can tell by all the things he has done or not done in the past he really cares about what the western and international media think of him.

    He loose credibility for its other allies that will switch for NATO or Chinese military deals dince he can't protect Armenia against Azerbaijan.

    If Armenia proves it was attacked on its mainland and tge president asks for help thrn Russia will have to attack Azerbaijan (not destroy them however).
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    Post  nomadski on Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:26 am

    Agree. The problems with said video :

    ( 1 ) If attack inside Armenia, then why not provide geo- location for verification ?

    ( 2 ) The video not from UCAV. But seems static. Fixed position. Needs operative in Armenian soil !

    ( 3 )  The destruction much larger than UCAV hit or even BM.  Seems detonation charge.

    ( 4 )  Grainy footage. Why ?  But even then, looks like lego set. Boxes and shapes.

    Glad to see humanitarian pause. Do Azeris seriously expect to form a state, with NK, after all this killings? No, the solution is to leave the Armenians alone. They only have rights to areas, where majority Azer lived. Before war. If Turkey has put Boots on ground in NK, escalating the conflict. And doing ethnic cleansing. Then Russia and Iran, should reciprocate. Proportionately.

    BTW, was jet fighter shot down over Iran, Turkish F16?   This may turn into a Turkey shoot........


    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey_shoot

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    Post  lyle6 on Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:28 am

    https://www.politico.eu/article/armenia-president-armen-sarkissian-nato-turkey-involvement-nagorno-karabakh/
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