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    Alexei Navalny case

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    Post  kvs Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:25 pm



    A recent OPCW report on Nahalny has let the cat out of the bag:


    At the request of Germany, on 20th August 2020, the Secretariat deployed a team to perform a technical assistance
    visit (TAV) in relation to the suspected poisoning of a Russian citizen. The TAV was restricted to the collection of
    biomedical samples. The samples were dispatched to two OPCW designated laboratories. The biomarkers of the
    cholinesterase inhibitor found in the blood and urine samples were found to have similar structural characteristics
    to the toxic chemicals belonging to schedules 1.A.14 and 1.A.15, which were added to the Annex on Chemicals at the
    Twenty-Fourth Session of the Conference in November 2019.

    1) Nahalny was not in Germany on August the 20th, 2020. On that date he was flying between Tomsk and Omsk in
    Russia. This requires that Germany knew about all the details before it made the request to the OPCW.

    2) Biomarkers of the cholinesterase inhibitor found in non-existent blood and urine samples are ambiguous. Even though
    this paragraph claims that they had "similar structural characteristics", they are not 100% fingerprint specific. Metabolic
    break down of phosphate type neurotoxins sch as Sarin and "Novichoke" are not special. A mass spectrometer is not
    going to give you the 3D structure of such breakdown products, it will just give you their atomic composition. Since
    the same set of atoms are involved (C, H, F and P) the only chance to finger print the precursor is to do an extensive
    characterization of the daughter products. That is not what the OPCW designated labs did. They just measured for
    specific biomarkers and did not do a research study taking months to fully profile the daughter product speciation.

    3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholinesterase_inhibitor
    The discussion in the OPCW report is about biomarkers and not actual Nivochok samples. They did not have actual
    smoking gun evidence, but only hot air hand waving about the alleged presence of such based on biomarkers. As
    per point (2) above, these alleged biomarkers are not unique. They are also not special to nerve agent poisoning.
    If one injects some phosphate compound like dish washing liquid into the blood, then there will be the same class of
    biomarkers. BTW, this is not so exotic, one treatment for infections in cows is to inject phosphate compounds into
    their blood. This is not rare and not lethal in the right doses. We have zero information about the concentrations
    of the claimed biomarkers in the non-existent samples from Nahalny. That is very important information. Some
    nurse could have introduced phosphate contaminated saline drip to Nahalny. Tiny concentrations would not kill him
    and would give the Germans all the BS "evidence" they wanted.

    The Russian representatives to the OPCW confronted the key technical director with the above conundrum and he
    did not reply. Instead some German delegate chimed in that it was a typo. She then clarified that on August 20, 2020,
    Merkel and Macron were shown on TV talking about rendering medical assistance to Nahalny, which prompted the OPCW
    into action. So the "typo" became a proactive move. Thus August 20, 2020 stands as official and is not a mistake.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:04 pm

    Typo's dont exist in these cases. These things are double, triple checked before being submitted. Once the fact was pointed out to them, then only did they designate it as a mistake.

    Gotta love the OPCW and their bullshit.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:06 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Typo's dont exist in these cases.  These things are double, triple checked before being submitted.  Once the fact was pointed out to them, then only did they designate it as a mistake.

    Gotta love the OPCW and their bullshit.

    Same shit that has been going down over the disgraceful OPCW corruption regading the faked CW "attacks" Syria...

    What an effective way to deposit the organisations credability and reputation straight into the dumpster.  angry

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:10 am

    Well they can't have had any samples on the 20th to pass on to the OPCW, so there is no need to worry about injecting him with anything... he was unconscious most of the time so any samples taken from his body could easily have had anything added to them before being sealed up in the sample bags or tubes and sent for analysis.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:10 pm

    GarryB wrote:Well they can't have had any samples on the 20th to pass on to the OPCW, so there is no need to worry about injecting him with anything... he was unconscious most of the time so any samples taken from his body could easily have had anything added to them before being sealed up in the sample bags or tubes and sent for analysis.

    That is right, but injecting phosphate compounds into his system would result in breakdown products which can be claimed to have resulted
    from novichoke. Nahalny is a meat puppet anyway, no worries about slightly damaging his health.

    The initial "poisoning" was more than likely insulin in a small amount introduced into his drink by the woman who ran off to the UK before
    the police could question her about her activities.
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    Post  calripson Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:49 pm

    kvs wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Well they can't have had any samples on the 20th to pass on to the OPCW, so there is no need to worry about injecting him with anything... he was unconscious most of the time so any samples taken from his body could easily have had anything added to them before being sealed up in the sample bags or tubes and sent for analysis.

    That is right, but injecting phosphate compounds into his system would result in breakdown products which can be claimed to have resulted
    from novichoke.   Nahalny is a meat puppet anyway, no worries about slightly damaging his health.

    The initial "poisoning" was more than likely insulin in a small amount introduced into his drink by the woman who ran off to the UK before
    the police could question her about her activities.

    As far as I know insulin cannot be taken orally as it is a peptide that will break down in the stomach. There are some trail versions of injectable peptides that can be given orally - insulin, HGH ect. - but I don't think any have ever been commercially approved.
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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:05 pm

    calripson wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Well they can't have had any samples on the 20th to pass on to the OPCW, so there is no need to worry about injecting him with anything... he was unconscious most of the time so any samples taken from his body could easily have had anything added to them before being sealed up in the sample bags or tubes and sent for analysis.

    That is right, but injecting phosphate compounds into his system would result in breakdown products which can be claimed to have resulted
    from novichoke.   Nahalny is a meat puppet anyway, no worries about slightly damaging his health.

    The initial "poisoning" was more than likely insulin in a small amount introduced into his drink by the woman who ran off to the UK before
    the police could question her about her activities.

    As far as I know insulin cannot be taken orally as it is a peptide that will break down in the stomach. There are some trail versions of injectable peptides that can be given orally - insulin, HGH ect. - but I don't think any have ever been commercially approved.

    That is too simplistic. It can be delivered through the skin with nano-emulsions and via nanoparticles. The mouth is a very easy entry pathway for
    such vectorized insulin. It does not have to be swallowed into the stomach to enter the blood stream. Under the tongue is very permeable.

    https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4923/13/1/100/pdf

    I am sure that the CIA and MI6 have invested into delivery methods for all sorts of chemical agents. The idea that they are just winging it based
    on intuition is simply fiction.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:18 am


    I am sure that the CIA and MI6 have invested into delivery methods for all sorts of chemical agents. The idea that they are just winging it based
    on intuition is simply fiction.

    But they are so professional and effective while the FSB are a bunch of morons that keep trying to use Novachok to kill their enemies and just keep failing over and over... yet they continue to use Novachok like the idiots they are clearly not...

    It seems the western media think the Russian Special Services are as stupid as western politicians who think this time regime change in country x will fix everything and democracy will take hold and grow...

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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:47 am

    Let me put that thing into proper perspective.
    If someone from the German side arranged the investigating team at a day when that actually happened, that means it was planned in advance.
    If that was planned in advance, it is some kind of internal German play-off.
    The obvious target is NS2, again.
    As far as we know that Germany - as a country - is determined to finish the project, it would require some kind of internal opposition to this.
    So my first thought is, it was a secret operation of German secret services. And what follows, as it was done against the will of the German government, it would mean that German secret services are infiltrated by American ones to the level, when they can act against the decisions and policy of the legal German regime.
    It would not be surprising - East Germany's secret service was one of the most effective in the world, still, it was heavily infiltrated by the KGB.
    And acted as KGB third hand, when needed. One of Putin's duties while being in GDR was cooperation with his German colleagues. This cooperation and connections were so deep, that Putin himself considers the decision to leave behind agents and co-workers as an act of treason.
    Revealed lately pieces of information about Denmark spying on its fellow Nordic neighbours, and Germany - allies and co-members of the EU, speaks for itself.
    Europe is infiltrated by Muricans, and it would require a titanic political will, and years of investigative job to clean this mess.

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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:54 am

    https://www.rt.com/russia/535093-apple-google-delete-smart-voting/

    Apple & Google delete Navalny’s ‘Smart Voting’ app after top Russian officials accuse US tech giants of ‘election interference’

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    Post  George1 Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:30 am

    Russia sends counter-demarche over Navalny case to OPCW — Foreign Ministry

    https://tass.com/world/1347391

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Sat Aug 05, 2023 7:52 am

    Navalny just got another 19 years.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:45 am

    Alexey Navalny dead – penal service officials

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    Russian opposition figure Alexey Navalny has died in jail in central Russia after falling ill during a walk, local authorities have said, adding that an investigation into the exact cause of his death was ongoing.

    source

    This has left an enormous smile on my face. Not afraid to say I'm over the moon that this traitorous 5th-column cnt is food for worms. russia

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    Post  Karl Haushofer Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:12 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Alexey Navalny dead – penal service officials

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    Russian opposition figure Alexey Navalny has died in jail in central Russia after falling ill during a walk, local authorities have said, adding that an investigation into the exact cause of his death was ongoing.

    source

    This has left an enormous smile on my face.  Not afraid to say I'm over the moon that this traitorous 5th-column cnt is food for worms.  russia

    Stop gloating. It will only generate bad karma.
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    Post  PhSt Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:14 pm

    Looks like a job by NATzO intelligence services. Since Navalny obviously have no use for them anymore, like the previous 5th column traitor Nemtsov, Navalny is killed in a last ditch effort to tarnish Russia's reputation by blaming his death to the Russian government.

    Also, Navalnys death could also provide cover to distract people's attention from the massacre of Ukrainian cannon fodders in Avdiivka, and also use this incident as a tool to pressure Republicans in the US to approve the proposed aid to Ukraine.

    Its funny how NATzO mainstream media is behaving hysterically with Navalnys death, but has been very quiet with the deaths of Gonzalo Lira (a US national), dead civilians in Donetsk from recent NATzO rocket strikes, and the 28k+ dead Palestinians in Gaza Rolling Eyes

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    Post  PhSt Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:17 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:

    Stop gloating. It will only generate bad karma.

    You Fool. Bad Karma is what killed Navalny for Prostituting himself to the West Laughing

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    Post  Hole Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:14 pm

    but has been very quiet with the deaths of Gonzalo Lira (a US national), dead civilians in Donetsk from recent NATzO rocket strikes, and the 28k+ dead Palestinians in Gaza
    Priorities.

    Nobody here talked about the news that the FBI wants to keep the stuff from Seth Rich secret
    for the next 65 years.
    Nothing to see here, folks!

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    Post  Kiko Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:14 pm

    All subsequent NATO reactions were prepared well in advance.

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    Post  Firebird Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:15 pm

    The "suprise" Nuland promised. And it was even predicted on this forum.
    To GAYTO the fall of Adviivka was a big deal. Inevitably they wanted to bury it in other news.

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    Post  ALAMO Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:22 pm

    Suprisingly, his wife is at Munich security conference. What a row od coincidences...

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    Post  kvs Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:22 pm

    At the end of the day it is the fault of the proles that they are fed retarded propaganda. You now see a swarm of accusations that
    Putin did it without even any evidence coming out to point at this. It is simply proof by accusation. If proles think this is "information"
    that has value, then they deserve the reaming they get day in and day out by the scum that feeds them such "information".

    This event was predictable. Navalny was fading into obscurity fast even though he was in jail. He was not like Assange. So his
    handlers (NATzO) decided to off him for a final dose of propaganda value. The timing is absurdly coincidental, as usual, so it is unlikely
    a random medical incident. No prison is immune to criminal influence. There are always scumbags who will sell themselves for 30 tokens.
    Russia is not an Orwellian dystopia where NATzO infiltration is impossible.

    Anyway, expect more such murder-by-handler incidents in the future. There are tens of thousands of such useful idiots in Russia. This
    is not unique to Russia. Useful idiots are everywhere.

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    Post  Backman Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:02 pm

    PhSt wrote:Looks like a job by NATzO intelligence services. Since Navalny obviously have no use for them anymore, like the previous 5th column traitor Nemtsov, Navalny is killed in a last ditch effort to tarnish Russia's reputation by blaming his death to the Russian government.  

    Also, Navalnys death could also provide cover to distract people's attention from the massacre of Ukrainian cannon fodders in Avdiivka, and also use this incident as a tool to pressure Republicans in the US to approve the proposed aid to Ukraine.

    Its funny how NATzO mainstream media is behaving hysterically with Navalnys death, but has been very quiet with the deaths of Gonzalo Lira (a US national), dead civilians in Donetsk from recent NATzO rocket strikes, and the 28k+ dead Palestinians in Gaza Rolling Eyes

    Yep. The CIA killed him. Russia didn't watch his toothpaste or something. I can see all the faux outrage on western media already.

    Are they introducing the new fuckhead to take his place at Munich too

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    Post  Hole Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:22 pm

    Anyway, expect more such murder-by-handler incidents in the future. 
    The guy was in poor health for years. Too much Cocaine.
    Someone should tell Zelensky...  Suspect

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Feb 17, 2024 2:19 am

    I don't care about why or how. I only care that he is finally at room temperature on a mortuary slab being slit up the middle and with his cranium sawed in half for his brain to be removed for study. Laughing

    Karma. Gotta love it.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:48 am

    Stop gloating. It will only generate bad karma.

    Looking forward to seeing western media crying a river over the news... you know... they way they didn't for Lira and Assange or the various Russian news reporters murdered over the Ukraine conflict.

    The main reason Navalny wasn't the wests poster boy all this time is because he supported Putin in this conflict against Kiev and doesn't actually like Ukrainians very much... not very convenient for his western backers.

    Suprisingly, his wife is at Munich security conference. What a row od coincidences...

    Between shopping expeditions?

    You now see a swarm of accusations that
    Putin did it without even any evidence coming out to point at this. It is simply proof by accusation.

    But you don't need evidence when it is so highly likely.

    I mean if you look at who benefits from this Putin is no where on the list... Navalny is no threat to Putin... not even close.

    This is about as much use the west could possibly get out of him now and they got it.

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