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    Alexei Navalny case

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    Post  kvs Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:25 pm



    A recent OPCW report on Nahalny has let the cat out of the bag:


    At the request of Germany, on 20th August 2020, the Secretariat deployed a team to perform a technical assistance
    visit (TAV) in relation to the suspected poisoning of a Russian citizen. The TAV was restricted to the collection of
    biomedical samples. The samples were dispatched to two OPCW designated laboratories. The biomarkers of the
    cholinesterase inhibitor found in the blood and urine samples were found to have similar structural characteristics
    to the toxic chemicals belonging to schedules 1.A.14 and 1.A.15, which were added to the Annex on Chemicals at the
    Twenty-Fourth Session of the Conference in November 2019.

    1) Nahalny was not in Germany on August the 20th, 2020. On that date he was flying between Tomsk and Omsk in
    Russia. This requires that Germany knew about all the details before it made the request to the OPCW.

    2) Biomarkers of the cholinesterase inhibitor found in non-existent blood and urine samples are ambiguous. Even though
    this paragraph claims that they had "similar structural characteristics", they are not 100% fingerprint specific. Metabolic
    break down of phosphate type neurotoxins sch as Sarin and "Novichoke" are not special. A mass spectrometer is not
    going to give you the 3D structure of such breakdown products, it will just give you their atomic composition. Since
    the same set of atoms are involved (C, H, F and P) the only chance to finger print the precursor is to do an extensive
    characterization of the daughter products. That is not what the OPCW designated labs did. They just measured for
    specific biomarkers and did not do a research study taking months to fully profile the daughter product speciation.

    3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholinesterase_inhibitor
    The discussion in the OPCW report is about biomarkers and not actual Nivochok samples. They did not have actual
    smoking gun evidence, but only hot air hand waving about the alleged presence of such based on biomarkers. As
    per point (2) above, these alleged biomarkers are not unique. They are also not special to nerve agent poisoning.
    If one injects some phosphate compound like dish washing liquid into the blood, then there will be the same class of
    biomarkers. BTW, this is not so exotic, one treatment for infections in cows is to inject phosphate compounds into
    their blood. This is not rare and not lethal in the right doses. We have zero information about the concentrations
    of the claimed biomarkers in the non-existent samples from Nahalny. That is very important information. Some
    nurse could have introduced phosphate contaminated saline drip to Nahalny. Tiny concentrations would not kill him
    and would give the Germans all the BS "evidence" they wanted.

    The Russian representatives to the OPCW confronted the key technical director with the above conundrum and he
    did not reply. Instead some German delegate chimed in that it was a typo. She then clarified that on August 20, 2020,
    Merkel and Macron were shown on TV talking about rendering medical assistance to Nahalny, which prompted the OPCW
    into action. So the "typo" became a proactive move. Thus August 20, 2020 stands as official and is not a mistake.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:04 pm

    Typo's dont exist in these cases. These things are double, triple checked before being submitted. Once the fact was pointed out to them, then only did they designate it as a mistake.

    Gotta love the OPCW and their bullshit.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Jul 13, 2021 12:06 am

    miketheterrible wrote:Typo's dont exist in these cases.  These things are double, triple checked before being submitted.  Once the fact was pointed out to them, then only did they designate it as a mistake.

    Gotta love the OPCW and their bullshit.

    Same shit that has been going down over the disgraceful OPCW corruption regading the faked CW "attacks" Syria...

    What an effective way to deposit the organisations credability and reputation straight into the dumpster.  angry

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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:10 am

    Well they can't have had any samples on the 20th to pass on to the OPCW, so there is no need to worry about injecting him with anything... he was unconscious most of the time so any samples taken from his body could easily have had anything added to them before being sealed up in the sample bags or tubes and sent for analysis.

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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:10 pm

    GarryB wrote:Well they can't have had any samples on the 20th to pass on to the OPCW, so there is no need to worry about injecting him with anything... he was unconscious most of the time so any samples taken from his body could easily have had anything added to them before being sealed up in the sample bags or tubes and sent for analysis.

    That is right, but injecting phosphate compounds into his system would result in breakdown products which can be claimed to have resulted
    from novichoke. Nahalny is a meat puppet anyway, no worries about slightly damaging his health.

    The initial "poisoning" was more than likely insulin in a small amount introduced into his drink by the woman who ran off to the UK before
    the police could question her about her activities.
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    Post  calripson Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:49 pm

    kvs wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Well they can't have had any samples on the 20th to pass on to the OPCW, so there is no need to worry about injecting him with anything... he was unconscious most of the time so any samples taken from his body could easily have had anything added to them before being sealed up in the sample bags or tubes and sent for analysis.

    That is right, but injecting phosphate compounds into his system would result in breakdown products which can be claimed to have resulted
    from novichoke.   Nahalny is a meat puppet anyway, no worries about slightly damaging his health.

    The initial "poisoning" was more than likely insulin in a small amount introduced into his drink by the woman who ran off to the UK before
    the police could question her about her activities.

    As far as I know insulin cannot be taken orally as it is a peptide that will break down in the stomach. There are some trail versions of injectable peptides that can be given orally - insulin, HGH ect. - but I don't think any have ever been commercially approved.
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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:05 pm

    calripson wrote:
    kvs wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Well they can't have had any samples on the 20th to pass on to the OPCW, so there is no need to worry about injecting him with anything... he was unconscious most of the time so any samples taken from his body could easily have had anything added to them before being sealed up in the sample bags or tubes and sent for analysis.

    That is right, but injecting phosphate compounds into his system would result in breakdown products which can be claimed to have resulted
    from novichoke.   Nahalny is a meat puppet anyway, no worries about slightly damaging his health.

    The initial "poisoning" was more than likely insulin in a small amount introduced into his drink by the woman who ran off to the UK before
    the police could question her about her activities.

    As far as I know insulin cannot be taken orally as it is a peptide that will break down in the stomach. There are some trail versions of injectable peptides that can be given orally - insulin, HGH ect. - but I don't think any have ever been commercially approved.

    That is too simplistic. It can be delivered through the skin with nano-emulsions and via nanoparticles. The mouth is a very easy entry pathway for
    such vectorized insulin. It does not have to be swallowed into the stomach to enter the blood stream. Under the tongue is very permeable.

    https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4923/13/1/100/pdf

    I am sure that the CIA and MI6 have invested into delivery methods for all sorts of chemical agents. The idea that they are just winging it based
    on intuition is simply fiction.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:18 am


    I am sure that the CIA and MI6 have invested into delivery methods for all sorts of chemical agents. The idea that they are just winging it based
    on intuition is simply fiction.

    But they are so professional and effective while the FSB are a bunch of morons that keep trying to use Novachok to kill their enemies and just keep failing over and over... yet they continue to use Novachok like the idiots they are clearly not...

    It seems the western media think the Russian Special Services are as stupid as western politicians who think this time regime change in country x will fix everything and democracy will take hold and grow...
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    Post  ALAMO Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:47 am

    Let me put that thing into proper perspective.
    If someone from the German side arranged the investigating team at a day when that actually happened, that means it was planned in advance.
    If that was planned in advance, it is some kind of internal German play-off.
    The obvious target is NS2, again.
    As far as we know that Germany - as a country - is determined to finish the project, it would require some kind of internal opposition to this.
    So my first thought is, it was a secret operation of German secret services. And what follows, as it was done against the will of the German government, it would mean that German secret services are infiltrated by American ones to the level, when they can act against the decisions and policy of the legal German regime.
    It would not be surprising - East Germany's secret service was one of the most effective in the world, still, it was heavily infiltrated by the KGB.
    And acted as KGB third hand, when needed. One of Putin's duties while being in GDR was cooperation with his German colleagues. This cooperation and connections were so deep, that Putin himself considers the decision to leave behind agents and co-workers as an act of treason.
    Revealed lately pieces of information about Denmark spying on its fellow Nordic neighbours, and Germany - allies and co-members of the EU, speaks for itself.
    Europe is infiltrated by Muricans, and it would require a titanic political will, and years of investigative job to clean this mess.

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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Sep 17, 2021 12:54 pm

    https://www.rt.com/russia/535093-apple-google-delete-smart-voting/

    Apple & Google delete Navalny’s ‘Smart Voting’ app after top Russian officials accuse US tech giants of ‘election interference’

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    Post  George1 Sat Oct 09, 2021 1:30 pm

    Russia sends counter-demarche over Navalny case to OPCW — Foreign Ministry

    https://tass.com/world/1347391

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