Alexei Navalny case

A recent OPCW report on Nahalny has let the cat out of the bag:

At the request of Germany, on 20th August 2020, the Secretariat deployed a team to perform a technical assistance
visit (TAV) in relation to the suspected poisoning of a Russian citizen. The TAV was restricted to the collection of
biomedical samples. The samples were dispatched to two OPCW designated laboratories. The biomarkers of the
cholinesterase inhibitor found in the blood and urine samples were found to have similar structural characteristics
to the toxic chemicals belonging to schedules 1.A.14 and 1.A.15, which were added to the Annex on Chemicals at the
Twenty-Fourth Session of the Conference in November 2019.

1) Nahalny was not in Germany on August the 20th, 2020. On that date he was flying between Tomsk and Omsk in
Russia. This requires that Germany knew about all the details before it made the request to the OPCW.

2) Biomarkers of the cholinesterase inhibitor found in non-existent blood and urine samples are ambiguous. Even though
this paragraph claims that they had "similar structural characteristics", they are not 100% fingerprint specific. Metabolic
break down of phosphate type neurotoxins sch as Sarin and "Novichoke" are not special. A mass spectrometer is not
going to give you the 3D structure of such breakdown products, it will just give you their atomic composition. Since
the same set of atoms are involved (C, H, F and P) the only chance to finger print the precursor is to do an extensive
characterization of the daughter products. That is not what the OPCW designated labs did. They just measured for
specific biomarkers and did not do a research study taking months to fully profile the daughter product speciation.

3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholinesterase_inhibitor
The discussion in the OPCW report is about biomarkers and not actual Nivochok samples. They did not have actual
smoking gun evidence, but only hot air hand waving about the alleged presence of such based on biomarkers. As
per point (2) above, these alleged biomarkers are not unique. They are also not special to nerve agent poisoning.
If one injects some phosphate compound like dish washing liquid into the blood, then there will be the same class of
biomarkers. BTW, this is not so exotic, one treatment for infections in cows is to inject phosphate compounds into
their blood. This is not rare and not lethal in the right doses. We have zero information about the concentrations
of the claimed biomarkers in the non-existent samples from Nahalny. That is very important information. Some
nurse could have introduced phosphate contaminated saline drip to Nahalny. Tiny concentrations would not kill him
and would give the Germans all the BS "evidence" they wanted.

The Russian representatives to the OPCW confronted the key technical director with the above conundrum and he
did not reply. Instead some German delegate chimed in that it was a typo. She then clarified that on August 20, 2020,
Merkel and Macron were shown on TV talking about rendering medical assistance to Nahalny, which prompted the OPCW
into action. So the "typo" became a proactive move. Thus August 20, 2020 stands as official and is not a mistake.

GarryB wrote:Well they can't have had any samples on the 20th to pass on to the OPCW, so there is no need to worry about injecting him with anything... he was unconscious most of the time so any samples taken from his body could easily have had anything added to them before being sealed up in the sample bags or tubes and sent for analysis.

That is right, but injecting phosphate compounds into his system would result in breakdown products which can be claimed to have resulted
from novichoke. Nahalny is a meat puppet anyway, no worries about slightly damaging his health.

The initial "poisoning" was more than likely insulin in a small amount introduced into his drink by the woman who ran off to the UK before
the police could question her about her activities.

calripson wrote:

kvs wrote:

GarryB wrote:Well they can't have had any samples on the 20th to pass on to the OPCW, so there is no need to worry about injecting him with anything... he was unconscious most of the time so any samples taken from his body could easily have had anything added to them before being sealed up in the sample bags or tubes and sent for analysis.

That is right, but injecting phosphate compounds into his system would result in breakdown products which can be claimed to have resulted
from novichoke.   Nahalny is a meat puppet anyway, no worries about slightly damaging his health.

The initial "poisoning" was more than likely insulin in a small amount introduced into his drink by the woman who ran off to the UK before
the police could question her about her activities.

As far as I know insulin cannot be taken orally as it is a peptide that will break down in the stomach. There are some trail versions of injectable peptides that can be given orally - insulin, HGH ect. - but I don't think any have ever been commercially approved.

That is too simplistic. It can be delivered through the skin with nano-emulsions and via nanoparticles. The mouth is a very easy entry pathway for
such vectorized insulin. It does not have to be swallowed into the stomach to enter the blood stream. Under the tongue is very permeable.

https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4923/13/1/100/pdf

I am sure that the CIA and MI6 have invested into delivery methods for all sorts of chemical agents. The idea that they are just winging it based
on intuition is simply fiction.