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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Fri Sep 18, 2020 7:25 am

    Gradual absorption of Belarus. What did Putin and Lukashenko agree on
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:59 am

    Poland proposed a so called Marshall plan of about 3-4 billions us dollars, according to polish first minister Mateusz Morawiecki.

    Of course they mean that this help should arrive only after change of government and Poland is not going to pay for it, but they pretend that UE should pay for it.


    Since Poland, Lithuania, etc have never been net contributors to EU, but they received always much more money than what EU steals from member states accounts,  that means that Germany and Italy should pay for polish and American regime change operations...


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    In Italy we get back only a small part of the money that we have to pay to EU as taxes, and a considerable chunk of it must be used for welcoming illegal migrants or for LGBT propaganda.


    Another funny point is that the full amount of this so called bielorussian Marshall plan is less than half of what Russia invests (or gifts) in Bielorussia in a year.


    https://ria.ru/20200918/plan-1577397124.html
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    Post  franco on Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:35 pm

    So the UK leaving will really impact the EU budget according to that chart, as they would represent 18% of the positive cash flow.
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    Post  kvs on Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:48 pm

    franco wrote:So the UK leaving will really impact the EU budget according to that chart, as they would represent 18% of the positive cash flow.

    Looks like Poland's days of milk and honey are numbered. The subsidy it has been getting is absurd. I bet it is to make it into "success" straw man to
    con the saps in Banderastan and Belorus into thinking that they will be "rich" bounce like Poland.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:55 pm

    kvs wrote:
    franco wrote:So the UK leaving will really impact the EU budget according to that chart, as they would represent 18% of the positive cash flow.

    Looks like Poland's days of milk and honey are numbered.   The subsidy it has been getting is absurd.   I bet it is to make it into "success" straw man to
    con the saps in Banderastan and Belorus into thinking that they will be "rich" bounce like Poland.  


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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Sat Sep 19, 2020 1:29 am

    Ukraine is Lukashenka's new enemy
    https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3066722.html
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    Post  Viktor on Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:04 am

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:Poland proposed a so called Marshall plan of about 3-4 billions us dollars, according to polish first minister Mateusz Morawiecki.

    Of course they mean that this help should arrive only after change of government and Poland is not going to pay for it, but they pretend that UE should pay for it.


    Since Poland, Lithuania, etc have never been net contributors to EU, but they received always much more money than what EU steals from member states accounts,  that means that Germany and Italy should pay for polish and American regime change operations...


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    In Italy we get back only a small part of the money that we have to pay to EU as taxes, and a considerable chunk of it must be used for welcoming illegal migrants or for LGBT propaganda.


    Another funny point is that the full amount of this so called bielorussian Marshall plan is less than half of what Russia invests (or gifts) in Bielorussia in a year.


    https://ria.ru/20200918/plan-1577397124.html

    Just as same as in the Soviet Union. All seems well now while Germany and France make money by selling products in their little courtyard. But somewhere in between now and

    50 years from now when things change and money dries up same principle will make things ugly because sticking to the same principle will no longer be possible and

    beneficiaries states will stick to it than even harder cause they have no alternative anyway. Funny thing is that SN-2 is the thing that can make things push harder in that direction.

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    Post  par far on Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:58 pm

    "Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) Statement About the Situation in Belarus."


    It’s remarkable that the West began preparing the protests long before the elections. In 2019 – early 2020 alone, the United States allocated about $20 million through various NGOs to organize anti-government protests. This money was used to form a network of ‘independent bloggers’ and informational accounts in social networks, to prepare activists for street actions. The most promising of them were trained abroad, in particular in Poland, Lithuania and Ukraine, where they were trained by experienced American instructors in ‘non-violent protest’.


    https://thesaker.is/russian-foreign-intelligence-service-svr-statement-about-the-situation-in-belarus/

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    Post  par far on Tue Sep 22, 2020 6:21 pm

    "POLAND, LITHUANIA AND ROMANIA SIGN OPEN LETTER CALLING FOR NEW ELECTIONS AND MARKET LIBERALIZATION IN BELARUS."

    https://southfront.org/poland-lithuania-and-romania-sign-open-letter-calling-for-new-elections-and-market-liberalization-in-belarus/


    Russia needs to act quickly.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:55 pm

    par far wrote:"POLAND, LITHUANIA AND ROMANIA SIGN OPEN LETTER CALLING FOR NEW ELECTIONS AND MARKET LIBERALIZATION IN BELARUS."
    https://southfront.org/poland-lithuania-and-romania-sign-open-letter-calling-for-new-elections-and-market-liberalization-in-belarus/


    Russia needs to act quickly.

    Why?

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Sep 22, 2020 9:06 pm

    "A dog barks, the caravan walks by". Things will eventually calm down this fall & the transition period is needed to complete the "anschluss" w/o big political/economic/mil. losses. 

    Russian Tu-160 flew over the border of Belarus with NATO
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    Post  JohninMK on Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:27 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:"A dog barks, the caravan walks by". Things will eventually calm down this fall & the transition period is needed to complete the "anschluss" w/o big political/economic/mil. losses. 

    Autumn is nearly here, the weather is going to get very protester unfriendly, if it was May now the situation would be very different.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:44 am

    Just got to love how some street mob is being designated as the de facto elected representatives of the Belorus electorate.
    This is what NATzO claims is "democracy", a tiny minority of malcontents engaged in walking down the street with some placards
    somehow supplants the ballot box. Recall that it is one person, one vote. Designating these clowns as some sort of "voice
    of the people" gives them basically hundreds of votes each. That is not any sort of democracy by any measure.

    And electoral fraud by the regime does not excuse this. Until 5 million Belorussians hit the street, the majority does not
    support these malcontents, their self-designated leaders, and their NATzO patrons.



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    Post  Hole on Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:20 pm

    But two youtube videos from a russian teenager is election inteference! geek scratch attack

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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:59 pm

    Serbia faced even worst and in the end nothing.

    These are all bad jokes. While in the past it was easy to muddy the waters of information, now, it.has become crystal clear what EU and US does.

    Russia is just terrible at throwing the shit back at EU faces. Instead, they should state that due to the abuse of protestors in Germany and France, and the mass riots, that Macron and Merkel are not legitimate leaders.

    Watch as they squirm.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:43 pm

    Protests break out in Belarusian capital following Lukashenko’s inauguration

    https://tass.com/world/1204137
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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:22 pm

    So a hundred students showed up?

    Lol.

    Just ID them and tell them their future is fucked. Tell them their future is Ukraine and watch as they cry.

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    Post  kvs on Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:33 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:So a hundred students showed up?

    Lol.

    Just ID them and tell them their future is fucked.  Tell them their future is Ukraine and watch as they cry.

    Time to start cracking heads. These NATzO sponsored clowns are openly threatening the families of policemen. Just
    like the thugs in Banderastan. It should be outright illegal to engage in street theater in the name of politics. It's
    not freedom of expression, it is disruption of traffic and harassment of the majority who does not act like 5th column
    prats.

    Rent-a-crowds have been the source of human misery over the last century at least. This includes Iran in 1953 and
    Ukraine in 2013/14. So participation in rent-a-crowds should be considered a very serious crime. Being a useful
    idiot for foreign regimes is not an excuse whatsoever.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:10 pm

    If they are doxxing police, then due to it, police should be given mandatory belaklavas so it puts an end to the doxxing.

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    Post  Maximmmm on Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:21 am

    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:So a hundred students showed up?

    Lol.

    Just ID them and tell them their future is fucked.  Tell them their future is Ukraine and watch as they cry.

    Time to start cracking heads.   These NATzO sponsored clowns are openly threatening the families of policemen.  Just
    like the thugs in Banderastan.   It should be outright illegal to engage in street theater in the name of politics.   It's
    not freedom of expression, it is disruption of traffic and harassment of the majority who does not act like 5th column
    prats.  

    Rent-a-crowds have been the source of human misery over the last century at least.   This includes Iran in 1953 and
    Ukraine in 2013/14.   So participation in rent-a-crowds should be considered a very serious crime.   Being a useful
    idiot for foreign regimes is not an excuse whatsoever.  


    I'm just glad it seems to be winding down, but I agree they need to crack down on this shit so they don't manage to stage some provocations. We don't need a new round of "snipers" this decade.
    At least all of this mess made Bat'ka have to go to Moscow hat in hand begging for forgiveness. It was about goddamn time. His games with the west were starting to go too far.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Sep 24, 2020 1:47 am

    Maximmmm wrote:....At least all of this mess made Bat'ka have to go to Moscow hat in hand begging for forgiveness. It was about goddamn time. His games with the west were starting to go too far.

    Holy hell dude, you've been away for ages, welcome back thumbsup

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    Post  Maximmmm on Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:30 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Maximmmm wrote:....At least all of this mess made Bat'ka have to go to Moscow hat in hand begging for forgiveness. It was about goddamn time. His games with the west were starting to go too far.

    Holy hell dude, you've been away for ages, welcome back thumbsup


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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Sep 24, 2020 10:43 am

    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:So a hundred students showed up?

    Lol.

    Just ID them and tell them their future is fucked.  Tell them their future is Ukraine and watch as they cry.

    Time to start cracking heads.   These NATzO sponsored clowns are openly threatening the families of policemen.  Just
    like the thugs in Banderastan.   It should be outright illegal to engage in street theater in the name of politics.   It's
    not freedom of expression, it is disruption of traffic and harassment of the majority who does not act like 5th column
    prats.  

    Rent-a-crowds have been the source of human misery over the last century at least.   This includes Iran in 1953 and
    Ukraine in 2013/14.   So participation in rent-a-crowds should be considered a very serious crime.   Being a useful
    idiot for foreign regimes is not an excuse whatsoever.  


    Cracking heads, especially with this current situation and possible exploitation of everything from poland and NATO is probably not ideal. Better would be to dose them with sewage water, also the nice and beautiful girls of the women's march...

    and concerning the crimes... well for people not involved in actual violence they could be given for a while community sentences and community work (maybe every weekend for a couple of years), especially if this involves hard labour and or treatment of sewage and garbage.
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    Post  par far on Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:39 pm

    There is news that Canada is going to apply sanctions on Belarus, I am sure that other West countries, will do the same.

    Will this have a effect on Belarus? In my opinion, it should not have a big effect because most of the trade Belarus is with Russia.

    What are your guys opinions on this? What kind of effect will this have on Belarus? What kind of effect will this have on Russia?
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    Post  Maximmmm on Thu Sep 24, 2020 9:48 pm

    par far wrote:There is news that Canada is going to apply sanctions on Belarus, I am sure that other West countries, will do the same.

    Will this have a effect on Belarus? In my opinion, it should not have a big effect because most of the trade Belarus is with Russia.

    What are your guys opinions on this? What kind of effect will this have on Belarus? What kind of effect will this have on Russia?

    For Russia sanctions and the west refusing to accept Luka as the president is probably the best thing that could happen right now. There was a chance that if the west pulled back a bit after realizing the coup was not going to work, that Luka would get back on his feet and try his balancing strategy again. This would have been annoying. Now that he's no longer welcome anywhere else, it's Moscow or Beijing, and Beijing is a loooooong way away. The funniest thing is that I think some in the European establishment/west understood this, which is why it took a while for the denunciations and sanctions to come around, but stupidity won out in the end (sorry I meant principles Laughing ).
    Expect a gradual transition of power to occur in Belarus and the furthering of our integration projects. I highly doubt that it will become our westernmost province anytime soon, but the integration will be taken to such an extent that a rollback would be for all practical purposes impossible.
    As for Russia, well it's been living under sanctions for I've lost count how many years now. And while things will be harder for regular people (the rouble keeps going down in value) the government will be fine.

    In general sanctions against Russia and Russians have been great from a nationalist perspective. It's forced the most pro-western elites to chill the fuck out (although they still have far too much influence imho) and it's driving oligarchs and people with interests in the west to have to choose, you're either with Russia or against it. Also, industry has benefited from finally having its rear end kicked into replacing imported parts. Yes it may be going rough in some places, but for example I'm overjoyed we're making our own turbines for military ships now.
    So yes please, more sanctions, on more people, bring it on.

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