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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:14 am

    miketheterrible wrote:https://twitter.com/Aeronaut_ru/status/1297618034786476033?s=20

    I doubt this color revolution will succeed.  The turnout isn't there (Serbia had way more).  Simply though Luka is done either way.  Russia through Luka will have to have someone else.

    But people like Flaming Python who support Lukas ousting is simply playing into Poland's and Lithuania's hands. They hate Russia and doing what they can to destroy it, including by taking over the Russian allied nations. Doing so through bullshit claims we are seeing in Belarus.  Issue is what KVS mentioned - Luka suppressed pro Russian elements that now there is no pro Russian option. Rest are all pro Baltics. Even though no Baltic nations is successful. They are all dirt poor and or living abroad.  Poland is only success story and it also survives on handouts

    The alternative is to help Luka remain in power when he clearly lost all his authority as a result of covid-idiocy and senseless geopolitical manuevering that brought Belarus no results.
    He then falsified the elections.
    And then the only thing left was for him to use force.

    The problem with backing Luka now is that the Belarussian populace will associate Russia with that clown and will grow to resent Russian influence

    Yes the Manchurian candidate Tikhonovskaya has been supported by Poland and Lithuania and will do the standard Maidanut politics.

    But you have to have some trust in the Belarussian people. When the Poles and Lithuanians flush the Belarussian economy down the toilet they can oust these idiots and then elect a pro-Russian candidate.
    What you have to understand is that the protests are not against Russia, or pro-Russian politics. They are just against Lukashenko, he has united all layers of society against him.

    It's really the only way out of this situation as the Russian and Belarussian people are fundamentally very closely tied together; no-one here wants to back this Lukashenko if the Belarussians hate him, best to just let them decide for themselves and then experience all the wonders of nutty anti-Russian politics chosen for them by foreign intelligencias for themselves.
    Russian industrials won't complain as it would lead to a round of privatization of key Belarussian enterprises that they would be keen on buying out, or at worst, just see destroyed to spare them the competition.
    Highly regrettable that Belarussian industry will be tanked but Lukashenko created this situation all by himself.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:40 am

    Today's events in Minsk: 
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    Post  GarryB Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:03 am

    Putin is a hell of a lot smarter than any of us, and has access to information and options we don't even know about... I am sure he will make the right choice for Russia in a way that it also benefits Belarus.

    Luka is not Russias friend... his attempts to play Russia off against the EU show he cares nothing for his own country or its security and future.... even the deposed Ukrainian leader knew the EU offer was weak and would come with all sorts of demands that will allow western companies to come in a do what essentially they have done and ruin the country and so he chose the Russian offer.... he was too slow to react and ended up doing nothing... he should have been brutal to those that deserved it... investigations would have shown they murdered people on both sides to create the coup... clear cut case... publicly try and execute them, and things could have carried on as normal...

    Putins position is totally different, his enemies are not strong enough to need a firm hand and indeed a firm hand is what the west hopes he will use because it would justify their intervention like the firm hand by the Serbs against the terrorists in Kosovo and the Syrians firm hand against ISIS terrorists and of course Gadaffis firm hand against a coup in his country.... they can't sell HATO interventions without someone perpetrating war crimes... except their own...
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:Putin is a hell of a lot smarter than any of us, and has access to information and options we don't even know about... I am sure he will make the right choice for Russia in a way that it also benefits Belarus.

    Luka is not Russias friend... his attempts to play Russia off against the EU show he cares nothing for his own country or its security and future.... even the deposed Ukrainian leader knew the EU offer was weak and would come with all sorts of demands that will allow western companies to come in a do what essentially they have done and ruin the country and so he chose the Russian offer.... he was too slow to react and ended up doing nothing... he should have been brutal to those that deserved it... investigations would have shown they murdered people on both sides to create the coup... clear cut case... publicly try and execute them, and things could have carried on as normal...

    Putins position is totally different, his enemies are not strong enough to need a firm hand and indeed a firm hand is what the west hopes he will use because it would justify their intervention like the firm hand by the Serbs against the terrorists in Kosovo and the Syrians firm hand against ISIS terrorists and of course Gadaffis firm hand against a coup in his country.... they can't sell HATO interventions without someone perpetrating war crimes... except their own...

    Grand Master Putin strikes again! lol1

    Such a grand master, that he's now facing the prospect of a revolt in Russia.

    Because the revolutionaries need only take the capital, and it's always the capital where the liberals are strongest.

    And if the liberals win, well it's game over for Russia. A new round of privatization, liberal ideology sprinkled with ethno-nationalism that would break the Russian Federation apart, gay pride parades and 632 genders to further atomize society, subordination to Western foreign policy, deindustrialization and the export of all that surplus labour that will result - to the EU. I bet they're salivating at the prospect over there.

    Putin has had his successes, and inside the country economically as well, but none of it matters. He's failed to create any sort of civilizational model for people to gravitate to, it's just the same old oligarch one and justified according to outdated Russian Empire bullshit that was out of fashion even in the 19th century when all the socialist revolts and terrorism started.
    But someone like Putin who believes that Lenin was just a German agent with an insidious plan and doesn't recognize the context or all the rising social contradictions of the time cannot possibly understand the situation today.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:52 pm

    What revolt in Russia?  

    Can you actually give any source or is this from your behind?

    All these "protests" lead up to absolutely nothing and the liberals get no damn votes.  And if you seriously think they can even garner enough people to storm the Kremlin, then you are beyond help.

    There hasn't been anything of remotely a sense of revolts in Russia that is a problem for the government.  Actually, the protests are damn small now then they ever been. 2011 saw way more protests and that didn't do shit.

    What the hell are you even talking about?

    Seriously, before you spew more nonsense, provide real sources.

    You are completely disjointed from reality. I think all that bullshit about communism rot your brain.

    Thank you.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:01 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Putin is a hell of a lot smarter than any of us, and has access to information and options we don't even know about... I am sure he will make the right choice for Russia in a way that it also benefits Belarus.

    Luka is not Russias friend... his attempts to play Russia off against the EU show he cares nothing for his own country or its security and future.... even the deposed Ukrainian leader knew the EU offer was weak and would come with all sorts of demands that will allow western companies to come in a do what essentially they have done and ruin the country and so he chose the Russian offer.... he was too slow to react and ended up doing nothing... he should have been brutal to those that deserved it... investigations would have shown they murdered people on both sides to create the coup... clear cut case... publicly try and execute them, and things could have carried on as normal...

    Putins position is totally different, his enemies are not strong enough to need a firm hand and indeed a firm hand is what the west hopes he will use because it would justify their intervention like the firm hand by the Serbs against the terrorists in Kosovo and the Syrians firm hand against ISIS terrorists and of course Gadaffis firm hand against a coup in his country.... they can't sell HATO interventions without someone perpetrating war crimes... except their own...

    Grand Master Putin strikes again! lol1

    Such a grand master, that he's now facing the prospect of a revolt in Russia.

    Because the revolutionaries need only take the capital, and it's always the capital where the liberals are strongest.

    And if the liberals win, well it's game over for Russia. A new round of privatization, liberal ideology sprinkled with ethno-nationalism that would break the Russian Federation apart, gay pride parades and 632 genders to further atomize society, subordination to Western foreign policy, deindustrialization and the export of all that surplus labour that will result - to the EU. I bet they're salivating at the prospect over there.

    Putin has had his successes, and inside the country economically as well, but none of it matters. He's failed to create any sort of civilizational model for people to gravitate to, it's just the same old oligarch one and justified according to outdated Russian Empire bullshit that was out of fashion even in the 19th century when all the socialist revolts and terrorism started.
    But someone like Putin who believes that Lenin was just a German agent with an insidious plan and doesn't recognize the context or all the rising social contradictions of the time cannot possibly understand the situation today.

    Of course there were a lot of contradictions in the Russia of early 1900... however Nikolai the second was trying to modernise the country... he and his government would have needed a couple of decades of peace to accomplish that, unfortunately they did not have them, and the first world war had catastrophic consequences for Russia... without it, even with all the still unresolved contradictions and problems, Lenin's revolution would not have been more successful than the 1905 one.

    By the way, that is also Putin's goal... try not to involve Russia in unnecessary conflicts when he just need time to put the country back together...
    Of course this does not mean bending backwards... but also this mean not to fall in each enemy provocation that can really cause the destruction of the society (e.g. a war against ukraine in 2014 or Turkey in 2015)...he needed to find a sort of asymmetrical smart response to this provocations...

    Regarding Belarus, the issue is not finished yet, but at least the talk about full implementation of a higher integration between the two countries are back on the table (process that Lukashenko was sabotaging till now and that the opposition was trying to fully delete (real pro russian opposition either did not exist or was destroyed by Lukashenko himself).

    After the first integration steps will have been done and Lukashenko will have been retired with a nice sinecure they will be able to then fully reunite Bielorussia with the motherland (maybe at the same time with the Donbass), even if the process will still last another few years.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:20 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:What revolt in Russia?  

    Can you actually give any source or is this from your behind?

    All these "protests" lead up to absolutely nothing and the liberals get no damn votes.  And if you seriously think they can even garner enough people to storm the Kremlin, then you are beyond help.

    There hasn't been anything of remotely a sense of revolts in Russia that is a problem for the government.  Actually, the protests are damn small now then they ever been. 2011 saw way more protests and that didn't do shit.

    What the hell are you even talking about?

    Seriously, before you spew more nonsense, provide real sources.

    You are completely disjointed from reality.  I think all that bullshit about communism rot your brain.

    Thank you.

    There's like half a million Azeris in Moscow. They blame him for supporting Armenia while pretending otherwise in the Nagorno-Karabakh question and are going to be out on the streets in the hopes of getting someone else to solve that problem in their favour.
    No small number of Armenians either and they have no love for Putin, after the insults from Margarita Simonyan and Russia dragging its feet.
    Millions of migrant workers, constantly being pushed around by the police and Rosgvardia and since the constitutional reform farce they've started to fight back.
    At least a million of the hipster/liberal/LGBT crowd by now. They don't like Putin either
    Putin's pissed all the communists off; even if they grudgingly accept that he's still better than a liberal. But they'll be active one way or the other doing their own thing.
    Russian nationalists - a lot of them, particularly of the Strelkov variety despise Putin for not finishing the job in the Ukraine.

    So when he decides to fake the election results in 2024, or even if he doesn't, this mob will assemble and then the color revolution tactics and so on will kick off. Navalny or whatever other agent of Western capital is going to start with the populist rhetoric and all the technologies.

    Honestly there isn't much time to build an alternative to all this, by which I mean a socialist movement. It can be done, but there isn't nearly the resources enjoyed by Navalny and all the other sell-outs. And the people recognize that he's a sell-out but I think the time will come that they'll be ready to accept anyone.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:27 pm

    None of them have the numbers.

    You assume way too much but the protests numbers are evidence that doesn't back up your claim.

    First off - no, migrants won't be the deciding factor. No matter what bullshit you can come up with in your head.  Especially if both migrant groups hate each other.

    Next off, no, liberals don't have half a million in Moscow. That is obvious when they can only get a seat or two.

    Navalnys money has dried up, hence why various offices are closed due to bankruptcy.  Blok reported on it and so did anti maidan.

    Your memory is short, that is for sure.  I remember quite vividly that every election Putin is "done for" as liberals would come out.  No, Moscow isn't deciding factor first off. Second, the liberals will protest, that's true. But they always do and no matter what happens, they will protest anyway.  They will not win. Maybe nationalists may win. But not liberals in any way shape or form.  They never were able to in the past with significant more funding and coordination and much stronger allies "Nemtsov" were able to even get past the bridge to the Kremlin walls.

    The days of 1992 are over. It isn't gonna happen in our lifetime.  Russians aren't as stupid as you think they are. Liberals, yes, but not the rest of Russia. And their little group of liberals won't do shit. They had way bigger opportunities and funding in the past and that didn't amount to anything.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:18 pm

    Tens of Thousands of Anti-Lukashenko Demonstrators Rally in Minsk
    2020–2021 Belarusian protests - Page 12 Blkbullet1 Belarus Leader Orders Army to Defend Borders Ahead of Protests
    2020–2021 Belarusian protests - Page 12 Blkbullet1 Belarus Blocks News Websites Amid Massive Anti-Govt Protests
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    2020–2021 Belarusian protests - Page 12 Blkbullet1 Lukashenko Says He Will Close Factories That Are Seeing Protests: RIA
    Economy update:
    https://vz.ru/world/2020/8/24/1055784.html

    https://www.pravdareport.com/world/144862-belarus_lukashenko/


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    Post  Werewolf Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:02 pm

    Haha, Jesus Flamming you are either a great baiter or just beyond help. Those anti-russian propaganda works on the average westerner that Putin has to fake elections but not on many russians nor on the majority of this forum.

    Putin has the majority of the support you can screem all you want and a half a million haters of whiich maybe 15% go voting won't have any outcome on the elections.

    There is literally nothing to rig since there is no hope for any communist to win despite being the biggest opposition to VVP. Liberals will never have a chance, they are dispicable by their rhetoric and nothing good is in the minds of voters when it comes to already proven 5th columnists.

    Here the beloved Anti-Putinists coming to the US embassy all to quickly trying to get away from journalist.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:12 pm

    It's not only that werewolf. He thinks the libs can collectively get together with other groups like Armenians and azeries and overthrow Putin.

    I have read some wild fantasy style stuff before but that takes the cake.
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    Post  Werewolf Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:14 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:It's not only that werewolf. He thinks the libs can collectively get together with other groups like Armenians and azeries and overthrow Putin.

    I have read some wild fantasy style stuff before but that takes the cake.

    So basically a Bolshevics 2.0 but instead of jews they are now some Liberals+Gastarbeiter collective.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:19 pm

    Werewolf wrote:

    Here the beloved Anti-Putinists coming to the US embassy all to quickly trying to get away from journalist.

    I remember reading about it.. it was from 5 years ago about, when Nemtsov was still alive. Then his bosses abroad decided that he was more useful as a "martyr" than alive...

    Anyway it is nowadays a political suicide in Russia to be seen near the american embassy without an official reason to be there...and justly so... try to imagine if an American senator would be seen often coming to the Russian embassy in Washington...

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    Post  kvs Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:44 pm

    One has to really gape in awe at the level of retardation of the NATzO sycophants in Russia. They routinely called and still call
    the Russian majority as "bydlo" aka stupid chattle and then expect this "bydlo" to vote for them. And, I am not fucking exaggerating.
    Every single prominent liberast sycophant shows open contempt to Russia and Russians. These are nothing other than SJW drones
    who live in social media echo chambers and piss on anything outside their perverse little bubble reality. You tell them that males
    and females are distinct and they get psychotically triggered. You tell them NATzO and its master USA ain't all that, and they
    through a tantrum that would make some ADD 8 year old cringe.

    These clowns think that they can go on national TV in Russia and claim that the statue on Mamayev Hill is ugly and that the new
    statute with the soldier disappearing into a flock of cranes is like a torn skirt. These are the same BLM and Antifa maggots working
    for George Soros who are tearing down statues in the USA. These scumbags are the brainless brown shirts working to destroy
    and revise history.

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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:54 pm

    Yes, we are all aware of these realities but why not take aim at what flaming said and talk about what currently the government is doing to prevent it.

    Because he is thinking these morons (he also supports the notion they are morons) will somehow take over Russia in 2024.
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    Post  kvs Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:07 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Yes, we are all aware of these realities but why not take aim at what flaming said and talk about what currently the government is doing to prevent it.

    Because he is thinking these morons (he also supports the notion they are morons) will somehow take over Russia in 2024.

    He and others can dream. I don't care. What I outline in my post is the basis of the thesis that these clowns will never succeed.
    They are self-snookering losers who delude themselves that if Uncle Swine-shit has their back, then nothing stands in their way.
    The moment for rent-a-crowd street theater in Russia was in 2011. It passed and will not come back in a very long time. The
    trend I see from year to year is that Russians are getting more and more pissed off at these seditionist retards. That is why Navalny
    and the rest are fading into obscurity and why now the 5th column is desperately trying to pose as communists (emo-communists as
    Ostashko calls them). That is way too little and way too late.

    I would not get so bothered by what some clowns supposedly in living in Russia think. Like rent-a-crowds, they do not speak for the
    vast majority.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:14 pm

    Wow what a shitshow....... could the moderators please for once move the defeatist/treasonous/western BS to the talking bollocks thread?

    This ain't the 90's no more boys Russia kicked traitor ass in Chechnya they kicked traitor ass in georgia and they still found time to test their weapons on the Cunthood.Integration.Agency. in Syria.

    If you want to be defeatist go switch your loyalties and post for europe, the worlds one and only dead empires club, funny how seriously they take roleplaying as important nations.



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    Post  LMFS Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:59 pm

    No surprises here, this breed of commies we have now has been prophetising the imminent collapse of Putin's regime for ages, and live to see the time were all those foolish Russians that vote him will repent and feel in their flesh the price of their wrong decisions. It apparently makes sense for them to live in denial and feed this delusion, since Putin with his successful policies is showing them as being dead wrong in literally everything, while the Russian population they are permanently trying to school and whose interests they thing they know better treats them like freaks... they make the liberal scumbags in DoE's payroll look the bright ones in the opposition's pack Rolling Eyes

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    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:43 am

    miketheterrible wrote:None of them have the numbers.

    You assume way too much but the protests numbers are evidence that doesn't back up your claim.

    First off - no, migrants won't be the deciding factor. No matter what bullshit you can come up with in your head.  Especially if both migrant groups hate each other.

    Next off, no, liberals don't have half a million in Moscow. That is obvious when they can only get a seat or two.

    Navalnys money has dried up, hence why various offices are closed due to bankruptcy.  Blok reported on it and so did anti maidan.

    Your memory is short, that is for sure.  I remember quite vividly that every election Putin is "done for" as liberals would come out.  No, Moscow isn't deciding factor first off. Second, the liberals will protest, that's true. But they always do and no matter what happens, they will protest anyway.  They will not win. Maybe nationalists may win. But not liberals in any way shape or form.  They never were able to in the past with significant more funding and coordination and much stronger allies "Nemtsov" were able to even get past the bridge to the Kremlin walls.

    The days of 1992 are over. It isn't gonna happen in our lifetime.  Russians aren't as stupid as you think they are. Liberals, yes, but not the rest of Russia. And their little group of liberals won't do shit.  They had way bigger opportunities and funding in the past and that didn't amount to anything.

    Neither are the Belarussians
    But they've gotten to the point, where they're ready to believe and vote for anybody, as long as it's not Lukashenko

    Liberals aren't a large group and haven't achieved mass appeal. But it's important to note that the Bolsheviks weren't either.

    What the Bolsheviks did was identified material conditions; what each different part of society wanted, and then promised them that.

    My bet is that the West will lay down its most crippling economic sanctions on Russia in the 2022-2023 period. And do their best to cripple the rouble again besides with financial operations.

    The liberals are organized, funded and extensively supported from abroad. They have the advice of some of the West's best spin-doctors no doubt, and Russia's own experience in revolution to draw on.
    No doubt, they'll attempt to appeal and promise to all the groups I've denoted and to anyone just tired of Putin and wanting something else.

    Whether they succeed even then is another question. But for them not to, the Kremlin has to loosen the reigns it has on other parties. And one way or the other, admit that the current monopoly of power is not sustainable.
    Even if an uprising fails, it will lead to a wave of emigration and damage to the economy. It's best not to let things get to that stage.

    The-thing-next-door wrote:Wow what a shitshow....... could the moderators please for once move the defeatist/treasonous/western BS to the talking bollocks thread?

    This ain't the 90's no more boys Russia kicked traitor ass in Chechnya they kicked traitor ass in georgia and they still found time to test their weapons on the Cunthood.Integration.Agency. in Syria.

    If you want to be defeatist go switch your loyalties and post for europe, the worlds one and only dead empires club, funny how seriously they take roleplaying as important nations.




    Defeat is where we're heading for my friend.
    And the reason is the same as always - stupidity of the commanders.

    Will we be able to hold off the Maidanuts at the gates of Moscow? Well that depends if there's a system by that stage that people would have confidence in and be willing to defend. At the moment, despite the liberasts and allies still being a minority, the amount of people who would want to defend Putin and all his shenanigance, may be even less.

    kvs wrote:One has to really gape in awe at the level of retardation of the NATzO sycophants in Russia.   They routinely called and still call
    the Russian majority as "bydlo" aka stupid chattle and then expect this "bydlo" to vote for them.   And, I am not fucking exaggerating.
    Every single prominent liberast sycophant shows open contempt to Russia and Russians.   These are nothing other than SJW drones
    who live in social media echo chambers and piss on anything outside their perverse little bubble reality.   You tell them that males
    and females are distinct and they get psychotically triggered.   You tell them NATzO and its master USA ain't all that, and they
    through a tantrum that would make some ADD 8 year old cringe.

    These clowns think that they can go on national TV in Russia and claim that the statue on Mamayev Hill is ugly and that the new
    statute with the soldier disappearing into a flock of cranes is like a torn skirt.   These are the same BLM and Antifa maggots working
    for George Soros who are tearing down statues in the USA.   These scumbags are the brainless brown shirts working to destroy
    and revise history.


    Well they are an intelligentsia.
    Like any intelligentsia they view the people as sheep, and as their role to think for them, act for them, talk for them.
    So to 'the masses' they dress their appeal in all this colorful and romanticized language, while not explaining what their actual plans for Russia are.

    The intelligentsia are those that serve as the servants of some elite or strive to become a ruling elite themselves.

    The problem is, the current ruling class is exactly the same. They also hold the people for sheep that must be talked down to, appeased with some nonsense, given some phony ideological justifications while they carry out the policies they've long worked out between themselves in their little cabinets.
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:04 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:It's not only that werewolf. He thinks the libs can collectively get together with other groups like Armenians and azeries and overthrow Putin.

    I have read some wild fantasy style stuff before but that takes the cake.

    So basically a Bolshevics 2.0 but instead of jews they are now some Liberals+Gastarbeiter collective.

    It's not necessary, in a political coalition that pits all forces of opposition against some regime, to resolve all contradictions between the united groups. The main thing is to be vague enough about your plans to allow these contradictions to not grow into antagonisms between the oppositionists for as long as there remains an enemy to unite against.

    Classic example is the Februrary revolution of 1917

    The liberals, Navalny & Co. will promise everything to everyone. They can do this as they're confident that Western support, and recognition of legitimacy will give them the upper hand in any subsequent political challenge that follows.

    So yes I can easily imagine an anti-Putin coalition between the liberals, certain ethnic minorities, disgruntled migrants, Russian nationalists of certain persuasions, and even the communist party (which in fact is already allying with some Navalnites).
    This will form a core onto which the masses can latch onto, cynical towards the ruling order and alienated by pension reforms and so on.

    The question here is really the communists, as they are a powerful force in and of themselves and with their own party, controlled by its own oligarchs it may be. They may well be able to subordinate others to their own base instead, including many among the liberals.
    Genuine marxists, grass-roots factory strike movements would be wary of the Communist Party, but will join as a matter of expediency. What influence they'll be able to exercise and what proposals they can come up with will ultimately decide whether an alternate course for the country can be established seperate from both the prevailing one, and the proposed liberal one.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:44 am

    The intelligentsia are those that serve as the servants of some elite or strive to become a ruling elite themselves.
    not all of it- doctors, artists, actors, filmmakers, engineers, designers, scientists, teachers, historians, certain lawyers & the like just want to be able to express themselves w/o any restrictions by the ruling elites.
    Back to the topic:
    https://m.fontanka.ru/2020/08/24/69439489/

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4466547#id1937588

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4465892?from=doc_vrez#id1937588
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:04 am

    Tsavo Lion wrote:
    The intelligentsia are those that serve as the servants of some elite or strive to become a ruling elite themselves.
    not all of it- doctors, artists, actors, filmmakers, engineers, designers, scientists, teachers, historians, certain lawyers & the like just want to be able to express themselves w/o any restrictions by the ruling elites.
    Back to the topic:
    https://m.fontanka.ru/2020/08/24/69439489/

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4466547#id1937588

    https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4465892?from=doc_vrez#id1937588

    There is a clear difference between the intelligentsia - and social activists, those with some defined opinion or concern about some issue, but who do propagate a concealed political agenda.

    The 2nd it is always possible to work with.
    The first, it is possible to have dialogue with, but only in as far as they are willing to be honest about their intent. Then the people can judge their intentions and plans on their own merit.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:11 am

    What a dumpster fire of nonsense.  Seriously flaming, seek help. Run on conspiracy of a decade worth isn't reality. No one will overthrow the Russian government. Even Belarus government will be fine
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    Post  Cyberspec Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:18 am

    @Flaming Python,

    talk about mass delussions...

    I already told you what I think in our exchange on twitter...all they've achieved is bringing back Belorussia back into the fold. The same as with the Hong Kong protests. They've sped up the process of China having direct rule over HK by 20 years (it was suppose to happen in 2040)

    Meanwhile in Wisconsin...

    https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1298120947052904448

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    Post  kvs Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:18 pm

    Protests in Belorus have precisely zip to do with Russia. Trying to extrapolate from Belorus onto Russia is absurd and indicates
    a desire for such BS to happen.

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