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    Post  flamming_python on Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:Russia would probably become stronger with Belarus becoming a part like the Crimea did, but it is hardly the end of Russia if it does not.

    Russia has it's own problems at the moment and our own Tsar-wanabees in power to deal with

    We're not a model for anyone at the moment. Belarussians look at us and just see oligarch rule. Why would they want to be part of that.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:25 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Russia would probably become stronger with Belarus becoming a part like the Crimea did, but it is hardly the end of Russia if it does not.

    Russia has it's own problems at the moment and our own Tsar-wanabees in power to deal with....

    More Tsarism and less communism is the way to go

    Absence of communism is the best sales pitch Russia has for integration

    Belarus exists as independent country because they wanted to be rid of red bastards that ruled Russia at the time, they sure as shit wouldn't want to be rolling in that red filth again
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:21 am


    RT is going scorched earth on the Stalin cosplayer, looks like his big mouth wrote some checks his body can't cover

    It's like watching CNN do their magic lol1

    If he skates away from lamp-post this time I doubt he will be running his mouth about Wagner GmbH ever again

    Fact that his little flunkies were fuckin around with RT staff in Minsk didn't endear him to Mrs Simyonan either... Cool


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    Post  Regular on Tue Aug 11, 2020 10:07 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Russia would probably become stronger with Belarus becoming a part like the Crimea did, but it is hardly the end of Russia if it does not.

    Russia has it's own problems at the moment and our own Tsar-wanabees in power to deal with

    We're not a model for anyone at the moment. Belarussians look at us and just see oligarch rule. Why would they want to be part of that.

    They have no example then.

    West is rotten, east is corrupt. Ukraine doesn't look like a good model as well.

    Some of the opossition are US shills, if Luka is about to go, Russia should step it up and support pro Russian candidate hiding in Russia. This would be the best option.
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    Post  miketheterrible on Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:07 am

    Some YouTube channel I watched a few times had a post that was promoting the riots in Belarus and saying that he, as a Ukrainian, supports it to fight dictatorship and how his country got it's freedom back 6 years ago.

    I was tempted to blast him with evidence of how it destroyed Ukraine but I presume he would simply call it propaganda and that's all.

    Anyway, Russia should play this carefully. I agree as well that they should start funding opposition and elites that are favorable to Russia.

    I feel Russia goes about it in the wrong way. They fund the nation through loans and or buying their goods. That isn't how you win influence. You do it through NGO's who inject themselves into the nation's education system, and fund elites/businesses who will sell themselves (which most to all do anyway).
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    Post  RTN on Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:31 am

    flamming_python wrote:Russia has it's own problems at the moment and our own Tsar-wanabees in power to deal with
    And Tsar just appointed himself President for life.

    You people can't deal with Tsar. Putin is a creation of British intelligence much like our former African[but not] American President. UK along with US will ensure Putin remains in power for ever. UK benefits from it because Russian oligarchs will inevitably invest their illegal wealth in UK.

    flamming_python wrote:We're not a model for anyone at the moment. Belarussians look at us and just see oligarch rule. Why would they want to be part of that.
    Because you are a model for everyone. You are a textbook example of the success of British intel in appointing their own strongman in Russia and elsewhere. In fact you are such a massive success story that UK (occasionally with U.S) is appointing these "strongmen" the world over. Saudi Arabia, Japan, India, Australia are some examples.

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    Post  RTN on Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:34 am

    Isos wrote:That's basically the story of Putin and Oligarchs who tried to make him the new Yeltsin.
    Yes. More or less. Putin was created by British intelligence with the help of Russian oligarchs living in UK.

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    Post  GarryB on Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:06 pm

    Belarussians look at us and just see oligarch rule. Why would they want to be part of that.

    Open your eyes... there is no country on the planet where the rich do not control the politicians.... haven't you ever heard the saying... money is power...


    And Tsar just appointed himself President for life.

    Ahhh bullshit... he has reset the clock so he can be reelected... big fucking deal... most democracies have no limits at all as to how many times someone can be leader.... we don't have any caps on such things here in New Zealand and I know the UK and Australia don't either... that two terms bullshit is just american shit that essentially gives the impression of choice... American presidents are like babies nappies... they should be changed often and largely for the same reason... meanwhile in the real world if you find a leader with enough balls to say fuck off to the rest of the world to prevent your country being sold out in the interests of globalism then you might want to hang on to him.

    And they seem to want to too.

    You people can't deal with Tsar. Putin is a creation of British intelligence much like our former African[but not] American President. UK along with US will ensure Putin remains in power for ever. UK benefits from it because Russian oligarchs will inevitably invest their illegal wealth in UK.

    Hahahaha... a nice spin... Putin is Trumps and Obama and Bush and Clinton and Blairs and Mays puppet... yeah right... it is pretty clear which one of them is the smart one.

    You are a textbook example of the success of British intel in appointing their own strongman in Russia and elsewhere.

    Except if the UK were in control why are they afraid of their own shadows and expecting a GRU agent to jump out at them all the time... they are even less competent than the Yanks... at least the Yanks have a decent budget...

    In fact you are such a massive success story that UK (occasionally with U.S) is appointing these "strongmen" the world over. Saudi Arabia, Japan, India, Australia are some examples.

    Fuck off.... they couldn't even rig the Brexit vote the way they wanted... they are idiots...

    Yes. More or less. Putin was created by British intelligence with the help of Russian oligarchs living in UK.

    Which defies logic because the Russian thieves didn't start running to the UK with stolen money until Putin started demanding they pay tax... British Intelligence couldn't organise an orgy in a whore house.
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    Post  RTN on Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:09 pm

    GarryB wrote:Hahahaha... a nice spin... Putin is Trumps and Obama and Bush and Clinton and Blairs and Mays puppet... yeah right... it is pretty clear which one of them is the smart one.
    Certainly not you. Else you would have noticed how oligarchs under the watchful eyes of Putin continue to transfer their undisclosed income to foreign shores especially to tax havens.

    GarryB wrote:Fuck off.... they couldn't even rig the Brexit vote the way they wanted... they are idiots...
    You misunderstand. They got the exact result that they wanted. The intention of the UK government was always to get out of the EU. The vote made it look like it was the decision of the people and not the government.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:14 pm

    So Lukashenko won. What's next?

    The country is still in bad shape. THe economy is stagnating, the youths are still disappointed.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:35 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:So far the protests, although fairly large in Minsk haven't been really massive. Last reports (around 2 am local time) said, the Police had dispersed the protesters and cleared the main square.

    We'll have to wait to see what happens on Monday...

    If Lukashenko stays on, Russia will have a pretty good chance to extract concessions from him. He can't really afford a major economic crises on top of a political one



    The protesters are not really that important, regardless of how numerous they are, what is extremely important is on whose side will the armed forces be.


    The protesters are just a clever "cover" or "smokescreen" but the real power to enact a regime change is in the armed forces.


    And as far as "extracting concessions from Lukashenko" is concerned do not really count on it; he is a Ukrainian, and the West will protect him. They made Putin the Russian head of state, they can protect Lukashenko.


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    Post  Werewolf on Tue Aug 11, 2020 11:55 pm

    Such demos are prone to have provocateurs to instigate violence like on Maidan where they have spotted on footage people coordinating provocations and finally progroms.
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    Post  kvs on Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:03 am

    Canada does not have any term limits. And one of Canada's best Prime Ministers, Lyon Mackenzie King was in office for 22 years. Putin has been
    in power for 16 years as President. The BS about Medvedev's term of 4 years as being all Putin is typical NATzO propaganda
    drivel.

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    Post  LMFS on Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:27 am

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:So Lukashenko won. What's next?

    The country is still in bad shape. THe economy is stagnating, the youths are still disappointed.

    He has tried West and got a nice maidan rehearsal, so where will he go now if not Russia? The current oil contract expires end of this year if I am not wrong and Russia may demand real measures for integration to be implemented in exchange for "brotherly" prices. Luka can accept them or think fast how to support their economy without the Russian subsidies. Still he has too many traitors in the government so things may not be easy for him.

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    Post  LMFS on Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:36 am

    RTN wrote:Yes. More or less. Putin was created by British intelligence with the help of Russian oligarchs living in UK.

    Oh Putin, the only guy capable of making zionists, libtards, communists, gays, nazis, oligarchs and ultranationalists agree lol1

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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:45 am

    LMFS wrote:
    RTN wrote:Yes. More or less. Putin was created by British intelligence with the help of Russian oligarchs living in UK.

    Oh Putin, the only guy capable of making zionists, libtards, communists, gays, nazis, oligarchs and ultranationalists agree lol1

    I would ask if he is a Jesus but Jesus didn't score nowhere nearl this high... Smile

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    Post  Cyberspec on Wed Aug 12, 2020 8:28 am

    Going by the latest reports and videos, it looks like Luka might be able suppress the protests. The Security forces have prevented any mass gathering in Minsk (pretty heavy handedly) on the 3rd night and are arresting people left right and centre. Also, the protesters numbers have been exaggerated wildly.

    Assuming he survives this episode, he will have to decide whether to accept Putin's conditions and clean house or wait for the next Maidan (which won't take long) which he probably won't survive.

    His game of sitting on 2 chairs like up to now is no longer possible. The west now has to topple him.

    His other possible option is to rely on China. But China is far away. It's not really viable for China to support him in defiance of Russia purely for logistical considerations if nothing else. And China's plans vis the Silk Road will be blocked as well if a pro West government is installed. So it would be in their interest to synchronise with Russia

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    Post  GarryB on Wed Aug 12, 2020 1:18 pm

    Certainly not you. Else you would have noticed how oligarchs under the watchful eyes of Putin continue to transfer their undisclosed income to foreign shores especially to tax havens.

    All rich people send their money overseas to tax havens to avoid having to pay their fair share of tax... they do that everywhere... but I guess that is Putins fault too.

    In another thread Putin is going through the process of cutting off those tax havens so they wont be able to do that for much longer... but please feel free to bitch and moan about western countries who would never do such a thing because those rich people fund their elections so it would be biting the hand that feeds...

    So stop with the... poor russians getting played by evil putin.... how about dumb American getting played by western media owned by the western equivalent of these Russian oligarchs... scared to death western people might realise Putin is doing the right thing and that that might lead to western governments doing the same thing for the same reason...

    But don't worry... the Billionaires of the west are safe and will continue to feed off the working class.

    You misunderstand. They got the exact result that they wanted. The intention of the UK government was always to get out of the EU. The vote made it look like it was the decision of the people and not the government.

    Bullshit... the UK outside of the EU market is in serious trouble... there is no way that the EU is going to continue to use London as its financial centre for a start... this is going to be seriously bad for the UK but they don't realise because the debate had nothing to do with what their membership in the EU was about... it was focussed on the fact that unelected officials tell EU members what to do with no choice or leeway. What they should have done was vote to decide whether to demand change within the EU and how to make it better.... I am sure people in France and Italy and Hungary who are not happy with the EU either would agree and they might have been able to fix it... instead they left in a huff... and I suspect they will regret it.

    The UK government is pathetic and its intel services are even worse.... I doubt they even knew what result they wanted... and the clumsy "highly likely" bullshit is hilarious... because it is highly likely the UK is screwed...

    Such demos are prone to have provocateurs to instigate violence like on Maidan where they have spotted on footage people coordinating provocations and finally progroms.

    I am sure Lukashenko took a close look at what happened and how in the Ukraine to avoid the same thing happening there.

    Oh Putin, the only guy capable of making zionists, libtards, communists, gays, nazis, oligarchs and ultranationalists agree

    As long as he is the bad guy you know he is doing the right things....

    I would ask if he is a Jesus but Jesus didn't score nowhere nearl this high...

    If Jesus was alive now the west would hate him because he wasn't anti Putin enough and therefore would be a Putin apologist...

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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:25 pm


    I just watched report about Belarus on RT and my heart goes out to courageous people who are being oppressed by that savage primitive dictator and his state apparatus of tyranny Cool


    On a serious note Luka definitely made a big mistake when he fucked with Russia and infinitely bigger one when he fucked with RT, they are now riding him like a $2 whore and have no plans on stopping lol1

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:14 am

    Oppressed?

    They can vote him out any time they want...

    They have been living rather well with him playing the Russians against the EU, but his smoke and mirrors game is not going to last forever... pretty soon his house of cards will come down... his problem is where to run...
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Thu Aug 13, 2020 10:08 am

    GarryB wrote:Oppressed?

    They can vote him out any time they want...

    They have been living rather well with him playing the Russians against the EU, but his smoke and mirrors game is not going to last forever... pretty soon his house of cards will come down... his problem is where to run...

    They really can't "vote" him out, they would need to force him out.

    Guys like him keep an iron grab for a reason, if not anywhere as simple as you suggest it.

    Luka is a dictator who uses "democracy" to justify him staying in power for oh so long.
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:12 pm

    I do not understand why Luka would ever have bothered trying to appease the west, it would only make his position worse when he is inevitably forced to side with Russia.

    The west are the most devious little things to ever crawl on the surface of this planet.

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    Post  kvs on Thu Aug 13, 2020 5:28 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:I do not understand why Luka would ever have bothered trying to appease the west, it would only make his position worse when he is inevitably forced to side with Russia.

    The west are the most devious little things to ever crawl on the surface of this planet.

    He became corrupt or stopped bothering to hide his corruption. His whole policy behaviour is tied to servicing at least one
    oligarch whose racket exists on the basis of import of cheap Russian oil and export of expensive derived products. The
    west is all about corruption. It is perhaps the main tool for its global control.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:24 am

    They really can't "vote" him out, they would need to force him out.

    Sounds like a democrat describing Trump...

    If there are enough of them voting against him he will lose... if you can't win the election then there is not enough opposition to him to warrant any action.

    Trying to remove people from power any other way is undemocratic and considering you are supposed to be pro democracy it is very hypocritical to suggest other action...

    Look at how the Ukraine and Syria and Libya has turned out trying to use force to remove the elected leadership... does not appear to be a solid recipe for success.

    Even bad Luka is better than civil war and the vultures of the west coming in and interfering....

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Fri Aug 14, 2020 10:18 am

    GarryB wrote:
    They really can't "vote" him out, they would need to force him out.

    Sounds like a democrat describing Trump...

    If there are enough of them voting against him he will lose... if you can't win the election then there is not enough opposition to him to warrant any action.

    Trying to remove people from power any other way is undemocratic and considering you are supposed to be pro democracy it is very hypocritical to suggest other action...

    Look at how the Ukraine and Syria and Libya has turned out trying to use force to remove the elected leadership... does not appear to be a solid recipe for success.

    Even bad Luka is better than civil war and the vultures of the west coming in and interfering....

    Trump is no dictator, Luka is.

    Your anti-American rant here makes no sense and shows you will use any excuse to go "Oh America this and that"

    Luka is a dictator and the elections are merely smoke and mirrors and HIGHLY rigged or do you honestly think those elections are on the up and up? well, you probably do.

    This has nothing to do with the US. Luka isn't going anywhere unless he is forced or wants to, the logic you can vote him out is just woefully ignorant or reality.


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