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    Su-30 for Russian Air Force #2

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:14 am

    galicije83 wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    Irbis can't work with su-30's engines. They need the engines from su-35. So if they got irbis then they got the new engines too.

    If I'm not wrong su-30 used to have a french HUD from thales. Su-35 has a russian made ones. They got ride of foreign equipement and replaced it with their own for new aircraft.


    You are not wrong about HUD.

    I think that they made their own wide angle HUD similar to the Thales made for  SM version, but on this one they put same as they have on all previous model of Su family. So i guess they just stick to the cheaper solution and one who is faster to produced and put this new ones only in Su-57s...

    They do not have AL-41 engines on this new Su-30SM(2) as they call it...all planes made for navy will be the same as this one..Only ВКС will get full SM2 version with Irbis radar and new AL-41 engines...


    Galicije where are you getting your info from? 

    This is Alexander Veprev General Director of Irkutsk:

    "In 2021, the Irkutsk Aviation Plant will produce for the first time in the interests of the naval aviation of the Navy four upgraded super-maneuverable multifunctional two-seat Su — 30SM2 fighters," Veprev said during a single day of acceptance of military products, which was held in Moscow.National Defense Management Center of Russia.


    The General Director of the Irkutsk Aircraft Factory noted that the upgraded aircraft received Russian equipment, which was replaced by foreign-made analogues. In the course of the work, it was possible to improve the characteristics of the complex of electronic countermeasures, sighting and navigation systems and increase the detection range of air targets. The aircraft also received an expanded arsenal of means to combat air and ground targets.


    /m.lenta.ru/news/2022/01/21/su30sm2/amp/

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    Post  galicije83 Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:10 am

    Isos wrote:Well they have helmet display making the HUD redundant and useless. I would even remove it if everything is displayed on the helmet glass or at least amovible so that you can retract it and see outside better.


    No they do not use YET helmet displays, they need to make this new helmet first and first plane which will get it it will be SU-57S and he will also have HUD for safety reasons...


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    Post  galicije83 Wed Feb 02, 2022 4:14 am

    Arkanghelsk wrote:

    Galicije where are you getting your info from? 

    This is Alexander Veprev General Director of Irkutsk:

    I see differences between engines types, also if you put Irbis radar in nose of the plane you need to remove pitot tubes from nose cone...

    This is partial modernization of SMs not full as they said it will be...for VKS it will be full i do not know reasons for that, but they do...

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    Post  Krepost Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:25 am

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    Post  marcellogo Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:11 pm

    Isos wrote:
    galicije83 wrote:
    Arkanghelsk wrote:From what I understood in the article these have the AL41F1S engines

    No, they do not have AL-41F1S engines yet...i think they will get AL-41F1S engines maybe next year and probably for ВКС России, and this first batch of SU-30SM2 will be with old engines. made for SM version (it have more power then engines put in MK versions of Su-30).

    I guess also that this plane to not have Irbis E radar and OLS-35...They put new/old HUD same as on Su-35S, small one, not this new western made type made for Su-30SM in past...i do not know why they do that but they do...

    Irbis can't work with su-30's engines. They need the engines from su-35. So if they got irbis then they got the new engines too.

    If I'm not wrong su-30 used to have a french HUD from thales. Su-35 has a russian made ones. They got ride of foreign equipement and replaced it with their own for new aircraft.

    No, it's not that you cannot install Irbis if you didn't have the Al-41.
    They will just not have the same performances but if you see they have the L band installed.
    Issue with engine is temporary , however.
    Like with the izd 30, they have to certificate it for use with the new platform, something you need time for (as you cannot share the workload in more than one plane, almost for what it came to working hours).

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:50 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:The external differences between the Su-30SM2 and the Su-30SM are:

    the presence of an enlarged antenna under the cabin
    the presence of devices for emitting passive jamming at the bottom (similar to the Su-35S) in the parachute container of drag.
    And there were two antennae at the bottom of the tow parachute container.


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    Galicije , AMCXXL already posted visible differences,

    I believe these received new equipment

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:54 pm

    AMCXXL wrote:
    Podlodka77 wrote:Rostec began deliveries of upgraded Su-30SM2 fighters to the Russian Armed Forces
    MOSCOW, January 20. /TASS/. Modernized Su-30SM2 fighters and Mi-28NM helicopters began to enter the army. This was reported to TASS within the framework of a single day of military acceptance by the state corporation Rostec.

    "The United Aircraft Corporation Rostec has begun deliveries of modernized Su-30SM2 fighters for naval aviation of the Navy," the report says.



    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13478379

    The Su-30SM2 with tail numbers Nº80 and Nº81 are ready to be transferred from Irkut Aviation Plant

    We can assume that the other two are Nº78 and Nº79 and thus complete the Su-30SM squadron of the Baltic Fleet (previous numbers 70 to 77)

    So the total of Su-30SM delivered to the Russian Armed Forces reaches 118 machines (one was lost in Syria)

    https://tvzvezda.ru/news/2022120832-OAQYe.html

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    https://www.aex.ru/news/2022/1/20/240560/

    January 20, 2022, AviaStat.ru – Four modernized super-maneuverable multifunctional two-seat Su-30SM2 fighters were first produced by the Irkutsk Aviation Plant To Russia Sergey Shoigu, Alexander Veprev, General Director of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant of PJSC Irkut Corporation - Deputy General Director of PJSC Irkut Corporation, reports TASS.

    In 2021, the Irkutsk Aviation Plant for the first time manufactured four modernized super-maneuverable multifunctional two-seat Su-30SM2 fighters in the interests of the naval aviation of the Navy,” Veprev said during a single day of acceptance of military products, which was held on January 20 at the National Defense Control Center of Russia.

    The head of the aircraft plant specified that as part of the modernization of the Su-30SM2 aircraft, imported equipment was replaced with domestic analogues
    The fighter received improved performance characteristics of the optical-electronic sighting and navigation complex, the complex of electronic countermeasures, the radar control system, ensuring an increase in the detection range of air targets. In addition, the range of used air-to-air and air-to-surface guided weapons against air, ground, including radar and sea targets has been expanded with an increase in the range of their application.

    "The re-equipment of a separate naval assault aviation regiment of naval aviation from Su-24M aircraft to Su-30SM2 aircraft will increase its combat potential by 1.5 times," Veprev emphasized.



    We also have this article confirming modernization,  they are in no way SU30sm
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    Post  George1 Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:04 pm

    joint patrolling of the state border of Belarus by Su-30SM crews

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    Post  Finty Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:59 am

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TYhZwQkNVoQ
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:13 pm

    MWM: Su-30 surpassed F-15 in sales and became the most popular fighter

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    Military Watch Magazine (USA): how the Su-30 became the most popular heavy fighter for export, outselling the F-15

    The Su-30 is best suited to the role of an advanced and high-end, but relatively inexpensive generation 4+ fighter in global markets, according to the editors of Military Watch magazine. In her opinion, the aircraft will continue to be in significant demand, despite US pressure on potential customers, and since 2018, the threat of economic sanctions.

    Since the mid-1990s, Russia has been actively selling its Su-30 twin-engine heavy fighter (NATO designation Flanker or Flanker). With a clientele on four continents, the Su-30 has become the most popular export model in its family. The fighter is being built on an improved airframe of the Soviet Su-27, which entered service in 1985 as an analogue of the American F-15 Eagle ("Eagle"). It was originally intended as a long-range Soviet air defense interceptor with the intention of improving the design's already unsurpassed endurance. The aircraft was delivered in a two-seat configuration, which is more suitable for long-range flights, but with the collapse of the USSR, the Russian Air Force did not purchase it in any significant quantity.

    However, having received a new role as a multirole high-endurance fighter with more advanced equipment and electronic warfare systems, the Su-30 interested foreigners. In addition, the aircraft received one of the most accurate air-to-ground guidance systems in the world and anti-ship weapons, while retaining the improved parameters of the original airframe. Air-to-air performance also improved significantly in the late 1990s, when, under the terms of the Indian deal, the aircraft received a number of technologies from the Su-35 and Su-37 fighters, including destabilizers and thrust vectoring engines for greater maneuverability. These fighters were considered the most maneuverable in the world, until in December 2005, the US Air Force adopted the F-22 Raptor ("Predator") with comparable characteristics.

    The American F-15 Eagle retained capabilities comparable to the Su-30 in a number of areas. The Eagle was even faster, but it lacked the maneuverability, infrared search and tracking system, and weapons of the Flanker. In addition, the Su-30 cost half as much, and Russia readily sold fighters to almost any buyer, from Uganda and Angola to China, Indonesia and India. In the first 25 years of its existence, the F-15 was exported to only three of America's closest defense partners, and even relaxed export restrictions still turned out to be much tougher than for the Su-30. Lower-level American allies - such as Egypt and Iraq - had to be content with the F-16 Fighting Falcon, a single-engine light fighter ("Fighting Falcon"), although its capabilities are vastly inferior to both aircraft for air superiority. And non-allies did not rely on high-class American fighters at all.

    Bans on the sale of weapons to a number of states due to regime change, such as Iran in the 1980s, Indonesia and Pakistan in the 1990s, and Egypt in 2013, even including spare parts for already delivered fighter jets, as was the case with Iranian F-14s or Indonesian F-16s have discouraged a number of states from acquiring American technology. Indonesia and Egypt were striking examples, where orders for American fighters dried up even after the restoration of relations, with the first choosing the Su-27 and Su-30, and the second choosing the MiG-29, and then the Su-35. In addition, the US imposes extensive restrictions on the use of high-end aircraft such as the F-15 and even stipulates the conditions at the airfields where they are based. All this undermined their appeal compared to the Su-30, which can be used freely.

    The much more affordable price of the Russian heavy 4+ generation air superiority fighter compared to the American single-engine F-16 light fighter has become the key to the popularity of the Su-30. Interest in it has grown even stronger because of the precision strike capabilities and anti-ship protection: thanks to them, the aircraft has become more versatile in use compared to the Su-27 and F-15C. The breadth of the model range to suit different budgets and customer performance requirements - from the most sophisticated MKM, MKI and MKA variants for Malaysia, India and Algeria to the cheaper MK2 for deliveries to Venezuela, Angola and Vietnam - has become another important factor in its favor. The Taiwan Strait crisis in the 1990s, when the U.S. Navy sent an aircraft carrier strike group less than 100 kilometers off the coast of China, Beijing responded with an order for the Su-30MKK and MK2 to solve maritime strike missions. Rapid deliveries have revolutionized China's ability to threaten Western warships from the air. The country also laid the foundations for maritime access prevention (so-called restricting and denying access and maneuver, or A2AD) - since then, the Chinese system has become one of the most effective in the world. In addition, the PLA's Su-30MKK fleet has been upgraded with advanced Chinese-made munitions for both air superiority and maritime theater combat. The country also laid the foundations for maritime access prevention (so-called restricting and denying access and maneuver, or A2AD) - since then, the Chinese system has become one of the most effective in the world. In addition, the PLA's Su-30MKK fleet has been upgraded with advanced Chinese-made munitions for both air superiority and maritime theater combat. The country also laid the foundations for maritime access prevention (so-called restricting and denying access and maneuver, or A2AD) - since then, the Chinese system has become one of the most effective in the world. In addition, the PLA's Su-30MKK fleet has been upgraded with advanced Chinese-made munitions for both air superiority and maritime theater combat.

    And if the Su-30 remained in mass production as a cheap alternative to the more modern and efficient Su-35, then the F-15, on the contrary, has significantly risen in price and surpassed even the inconspicuous F-35A in price. To date, the F-15 is the most expensive American fighter available for export, except for aircraft carriers. Modifications F-15SG, F-15SA and F-15Q, developed for Singapore, Saudi Arabia and Qatar, respectively, received advanced active phased array radar (AFAR). Thanks to this, the functionality of the sensors increased compared to the Su-30, but the cost compared to the Flanker increased by a third and exceeded $100 million.

    In combination with the high cost of American-made ammunition compared to Russian counterparts, the latter options turned out to be completely inaccessible to the vast majority of customers. These costs make the latest F-15 variants more expensive than even most fifth-generation fighters, including the Russian Su-57 air superiority fighter, which is already being exported to a number of customers, and the F-35A. Thus, it is logical to assume that the Su-30 is better suited to the role of an advanced and high-end, but relatively inexpensive 4+ generation fighter in the world markets. It is likely to continue to enjoy significant demand despite US pressure on potential customers and, since 2018, the threat of economic sanctions.

    https://vpk.name/news/579031_mwm_su-30_operedil_po_prodazham_f-15_i_stal_samym_populyarnym_istrebitelem.html

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    Post  Mir Fri Feb 11, 2022 7:27 pm

    I have to double like this post! Laughing
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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:27 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    MWM: Su-30 surpassed F-15 in sales and became the most popular fighter

    https://vpk.name/news/579031_mwm_su-30_operedil_po_prodazham_f-15_i_stal_samym_populyarnym_istrebitelem.html

    Since this was written, the spineless Indonesians have folded to the Murkans and agreed to buy uber-expensive F-15s instead of Su-35S.  This is very disappointing, and I always thought the Indonesians had bigger cajones than this.  Allowing themselves to be strong armed by the f#cking Murkans in buying over-priced warplanes with strings-attached? What are they thinking???  Next step from the Murkans will be demands for Indonesia to downgrade their political/economic relations with China else access to spare parts will become "problematic"...  Whats to stop them?  They've already demonstrated that they are fully prepared to resort to blackmail and extortion.

    Apparently Indonesia is also buying Rafales, but these are in a different class, ie not a heavy long-range fighter.  Probably a good decision, Rafael is a leader in its weight class.
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    Post  kvs Tue Feb 15, 2022 5:29 am

    They are still fighting communism. Indonesia was regime changed in the 1960s and remains a loyal bootlick of the yanquis.
    This is how neo-colonialism works. It installs loyal elites that parasitize the colony. You saw the same thing in Venezuela before
    Chavez and Cuba before Castro. Americans love to wank themselves sill about how these "commies" ruined utopian US run
    shitholes.

    Let them buy F-15 trash. It's not Russia's loss at the end of the day. Russia does not exist on export sales of anything regardless
    what western wankers think.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:19 am

    The Americans likely just quietly said if you buy Russian weapons then you no longer get access to our economy and market which is going to be expensive.

    In time Russia is going to establish itself as a viable alternative to western markets so countries can't be blackmailed like this, but until then this is going to happen.

    Tells you a bit about the product they are pushing if they need to blackmail countries to buy it.

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    Post  Rasisuki Nebia Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:13 pm

    Not every country can resist US blackmail and sanctions, but as we know countries are free to buy from whoever they want  Su-30 for Russian Air Force #2 - Page 10 1f600 as long as you're choosing the US that is.
    that said CAATSA was a gold mine for the French, they shouldn't be angry at the US for stealing that Sub deal .

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    Post  GarryB Wed Feb 16, 2022 8:16 am

    Of course they should be angry... if France does benefit it was totally an unintended side benefit and not the expected outcome at all.

    This was all about selling US weapons to countries considering buying Russian weapons... it is about attempting to suffocate Russia.

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    Post  PhSt Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:25 am

    GarryB wrote:Of course they should be angry... if France does benefit it was totally an unintended side benefit and not the expected outcome at all.

    This was all about selling US weapons to countries considering buying Russian weapons... it is about attempting to suffocate Russia.

    Which is why Russia needs to create counter threats, like diverting weapons sales originally meant for Indonesia to be sold instead to countries like Iran or Venezuela or any country that resist American imperialism. After all, America has no qualms sending "Lethal Aid" to hostile countries like Ukraine.

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    Post  PhSt Wed Feb 16, 2022 10:36 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    MWM: Su-30 surpassed F-15 in sales and became the most popular fighter

    https://vpk.name/news/579031_mwm_su-30_operedil_po_prodazham_f-15_i_stal_samym_populyarnym_istrebitelem.html

    Since this was written, the spineless Indonesians have folded to the Murkans and agreed to buy uber-expensive F-15s instead of Su-35S.  This is very disappointing, and I always thought the Indonesians had bigger cajones than this.  Allowing themselves to be strong armed by the f#cking Murkans in buying over-priced warplanes with strings-attached? What are they thinking???  Next step from the Murkans will be demands for Indonesia to downgrade their political/economic relations with China else access to spare parts will become "problematic"...  Whats to stop them?  They've already demonstrated that they are fully prepared to resort to blackmail and extortion.

    Apparently Indonesia is also buying Rafales, but these are in a different class, ie not a heavy long-range fighter.  Probably a good decision, Rafael is a leader in its weight class.

    This is probably why there is a deafening silence about the plight of West Papuans in Indonesia. Meanwhile, the West froths at the mouth when there are allegations of abuse towards Uyghurs Rolling Eyes

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