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    Su-30 for Russian Air Force #2

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    Post  Sujoy Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:57 am

    PapaDragon wrote:

    Twin seat Su-57 is to be drone control aircraft not Su-30 replacement

    All 5-gen airforce is pricy

    Su-30 will be there as number filler for decades to come

    Yes! That makes sense. Russian Air Force should soon be able to routinely fly traditionally manned combat aircraft in tandem with unmanned aircraft. So maybe Su 35 or Su 57 will be teamed up with a Mig SKAT
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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:05 am

    I remember that Australian expert supposing that the L band wing mounted AESA could be used for IFF, but was there any actual evidence that they intended to use it for such a role?

    I would assume the ability to search for stealth targets at extended range as well as detect enemy IFF emissions would be enough of a use for such a thing on an interceptor that is intended to hunt stealth aircraft.

    Yes! That makes sense. Russian Air Force should soon be able to routinely fly traditionally manned combat aircraft in tandem with unmanned aircraft. So maybe Su 35 or Su 57 will be teamed up with a Mig SKAT

    MiG showed a new drone likely their equivalent for the Mig-35/LMFS at the last MAKS, but I would expect the two seat Su-57 and the Su-30 (which is the two seat Su-35 now) will be for use with S-70 drones, but in the case of the latter a two seat Su-57 might also be used as a heavy carrier based fighter too.

    It is possible with aircraft mounted jamming pods and recon pods like those developed for the Su-34 that these two two seat Su-35s and Su-57s could also be used for jamming and recon missions where two crew can do a better job perhaps.
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    Post  Gomig-21 Fri Oct 08, 2021 6:22 am

    Nice nose-down vertical.

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    Post  Isos Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:11 am

    That's a su-35.
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    Post  medo Fri Oct 08, 2021 9:26 am

    No, Su-27SM.

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    Post  Gomig-21 Fri Oct 08, 2021 2:15 pm

    Well, it's its father so it's all in the family. lol1
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    Post  LMFS Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:12 pm

    The Russian Defense Ministry will be able to receive upgraded Su-30SM2 fighters with a new engine and weapons in 2023-source

    03.01.2022 11:00:00
    *** In the next two years, the Su-35 engine will be tested on combat-ready Su-30SM aircraft

    Moscow. January 3. INTERFAX-Deliveries of upgraded Su-30SM2 fighters with a more advanced engine and armament to the Russian military may begin in 2023, a source in the aviation industry told Interfax.
    "Currently, the Su-30SM aircraft with the AL-41F-1C engine is undergoing special flight tests (SLI) (the same is used for serial Su-35 - IF fighters). It is planned that they will be completed by December 2023, " the source said.
    According to him, in total, the aircraft will have more than 150 test flights, now about 10% have been completed.
    The source noted that at the moment, when upgrading the fighter to the Su-30SM2 level, emphasis is placed on equipping it with additional aviation weapons. The issue of installing AL-41F-1C engines on it and conducting tests starting from 2023 is being resolved.
    "In the process of performing the SLI on the Su-30SM(D) and Su-30SM2 aircraft, a preliminary conclusion is provided, which will allow, according to the decision of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, to deliver Su-30SM2 aircraft with AL-41F-1C engines in 2023," the source said.
    As reported by Interfax, at the Army-2020 forum, the Defense Ministry and the UAC signed a contract for the supply of upgraded Su-30SM2S for the Russian Aerospace Forces and Navy. Earlier, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the agency will order 21 new-built fighter jets.
    According to the head of the UAC Yuri Slyusar, the combat capabilities of the upgraded aircraft will be significantly expanded, including through a new range of weapons. In addition, the Su-30SM2 will be fully import-substituted.
    On August 12, 2020, Shoigu announced that specialists from the Irkutsk Aircraft Factory installed the engines used on the Su-35S on the Su-30SM fighter, and flight tests will be conducted in the near future.
    The development of a new modification of the Su-30SM fighter became known in July 2019. Then an Interfax source in the aviation industry reported on the ongoing work under the code " Su-30SM(D)", which involves installing the most modern AL-41F-1C aircraft engines on the Su-30SM, which have increased thrust, resource and efficiency, so that the fighter can stay in the air longer with the same amount of fuel.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=563375&lang=RU

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    Post  Krepost Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:01 am

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 06, 2022 5:10 am

    Hahaha... something pissed them off...

    Interesting that for each aircraft one missile went up and the other went down, which suggests to me they are all IR guided and are initially launched in different directions to maximise their separation so they don't end up homing on the rocket exhaust of the missile just launched in front of them.

    The twin missile launcher for Igla-S does the same thing...
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    Post  Isos Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:53 pm

    Or radar guided missiles launched at different targets. Impressive that the radars don't jamm each other. So many missiles launched at once.
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:26 pm

    Isos wrote:Or radar guided missiles launched at different targets. Impressive that the radars don't jamm each other...

    Electromagnetic spectrum is a big place
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:55 am

    In both cases one missile from each aircraft seemed to go levelish while the other missile dived on a lower target...


    Or radar guided missiles launched at different targets. Impressive that the radars don't jamm each other. So many missiles launched at once.

    Unusual to volley fire radar guided missiles like that, though if they are active radar homing R-77s each with an individual lock on a close range target... but those missiles fired off the rails, while R-77 is thrown down clear of the aircraft before engine start so they weren't R-77s.


    In fact if you look carefully at about 12 seconds of the video the aircraft top right seems to fire a burst from their cannon... and has their air brake open.

    The movements of some of the missiles which appear to be snaking up and down makes me think these are R-73s... perhaps there are cruise missile or drone targets ahead of them and they are practising dealing with large numbers of drones or missiles at one time.

    Certainly the R-73 would be a good missile choice for that... cannon fire could make sense too in that regard... especially with cargo ammo...

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    Post  Mir Fri Jan 07, 2022 9:42 am

    It shows off the radar's tracking ability of multiple targets at different altitudes - and guiding each of the missiles to it's allocated target.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:52 am

    I think the impressive thing would be for all of these aircraft in such close proximity could all fire two missiles each... assuming they are all locked on and engaging different targets... in other words able to fire off a volley of missiles at once at a large number of different targets.

    If they were all launched at the same target or nothing at all then not impressive... actually rather wasteful.

    But being able to engage 6 targets with separate individually guided missiles is impressive whether using radar or IRST and IR guided missiles, and would be rather important in the case that they were defending airspace from a cruise missile attack or drone attack.
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    Post  AZ-5 Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:47 am

    GarryB wrote:I think the impressive thing would be for all of these aircraft in such close proximity could all fire two missiles each... assuming they are all locked on and engaging different targets... in other words able to fire off a volley of missiles at once at a large number of different targets.

    If they were all launched at the same target or nothing at all then not impressive... actually rather wasteful.

    But being able to engage 6 targets with separate individually guided missiles is impressive whether using radar or IRST and IR guided missiles, and would be rather important in the case that they were defending airspace from a cruise missile attack or drone attack.

    Maybe they launched units about to expire.
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    Post  owais.usmani Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:35 pm

    https://iz.ru/1270981/roman-kretcul-anton-lavrov/avia-tolk-oboronu-kaliningrada-usiliat-morskimi-super-sukhimi

    Units of the Baltic fleet deployed in Kaliningrad will receive Su-30SM2s in 2022.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:28 am

    Maybe they launched units about to expire.

    Normally they would use them against targets even if they were near expiring time, or even use them as targets.


    Actually it reminds me of the propaganda videos they used to release showing aircraft like the Su-15 launching a volley of missiles just for the sake of launching everything.

    Operationally they often fired IR guided weapons first and then SARH guided missiles to give themselves a good chance of a kill because the target would be manouvering hard to evade the first missile which gives the next missile more time and space to line it up so the target aircraft is manouvering hard and losing speed and energy and when the second missile comes they stall and get hit...

    These days I would expect them to be more practical... four aircraft launching 8 missiles at targets below them... maybe they were individually targeted LMUR missiles each locked on to an armoured target on the ground?

    Or perhaps a large number of cruise missiles flying low was approaching and they were attacking that with a volley of missiles...

    They do have cargo ammo which is 30mm cannon ammo for fighter/bomber aircraft types where it has a built in fuse and small HE charge in the rear of the projectile where the charge is set to explode at 1.8-2.0km range and launch a cone of high velocity shaped fragments... normally used against troops on the ground but would work against low flying cruise missiles too I suspect.
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    Post  11E Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:55 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:https://iz.ru/1270981/roman-kretcul-anton-lavrov/avia-tolk-oboronu-kaliningrada-usiliat-morskimi-super-sukhimi

    Units of the Baltic fleet deployed in Kaliningrad will receive Su-30SM2s in 2022.

    Does that mean that the Su-24s are being replaced now by Su-30SM2s or will they soldier on for a while?

    Regards,

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:08 am

    11E wrote:
    owais.usmani wrote:https://iz.ru/1270981/roman-kretcul-anton-lavrov/avia-tolk-oboronu-kaliningrada-usiliat-morskimi-super-sukhimi

    Units of the Baltic fleet deployed in Kaliningrad will receive Su-30SM2s in 2022.

    Does that mean that the Su-24s are being replaced now by Su-30SM2s or will they soldier on for a while?

    Regards,

    Su-24 is definitely getting replaced, Syria was their last cattle run

    Retirement is coming gradually but inevitably as Su-30s get delivered

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:10 am

    Wonder if Iran wants some extra Su-24s?

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:20 am

    I would start handing over Su-24's to Syria AF.

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    Post  Isos Wed Jan 12, 2022 1:19 pm

    Good old time when you needed fighter, interceptor and bombers because electronics was too heavy to make a multirole jet.

    Now a su-30 or 35 can do the work of a su-24 and su-27.

    Having 2 su-30 instead of 1 su-24 and 1 su-27 is way better. And contrary to the west russians managed to keep the price low so they can still replace 1 for 1 older jets with new ones. In france they went from something like 1000 mirage 2000 C/D/N, Mirage F1, Super Etabdard to ~150 Rafales.

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    Post  galicije83 Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:17 pm

    GarryB wrote:Hahaha... something pissed them off...

    Interesting that for each aircraft one missile went up and the other went down, which suggests to me they are all IR guided and are initially launched in different directions to maximise their separation so they don't end up homing on the rocket exhaust of the missile just launched in front of them.

    The twin missile launcher for Igla-S does the same thing...

    Its R-27 missiles, not R-73s or any other missile....just good old R-27s (probably some newer version of it)

    Sry i didnt answer earlier, i have Covid and i was 14 days in quarantine....


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    Post  galicije83 Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:18 pm

    This is old video about R-27 multiple launch from Su-30SM...

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    Post  GarryB Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:53 am

    Good old time when you needed fighter, interceptor and bombers because electronics was too heavy to make a multirole jet.

    Now a su-30 or 35 can do the work of a su-24 and su-27.

    Having 2 su-30 instead of 1 su-24 and 1 su-27 is way better. And contrary to the west russians managed to keep the price low so they can still replace 1 for 1 older jets with new ones. In france they went from something like 1000 mirage 2000 C/D/N, Mirage F1, Super Etabdard to ~150 Rafales.

    This is very true, but often the claim that the new plane can do the work of two was used to justify the fact that the new plane was three or four times the price of the old ones... so they could say it is half the maintenance and you only need half as many planes to do the same job.

    Obviously keeping the price reasonable it means it is much much better, though you need fundamental changes in your organisation to realise it...

    For years the Russian AF was not interested in MiG-29SMT upgrades simply because they wanted a short range point interceptor and fighter, with the roles of short range strike as performed by MiG-27s and Su-17s just seemed to disappear... the MiG-29 pilots didn't train for the different roles they could have performed with the MiG-29SMT which essentially could have replaced the MIG-21 and MiG-27 and Su-17 in the short range fighter and light attack roles.

    I was thinking the adoption of the MiG-35 might lead to larger purchases to fill out numbers with an aircraft that is cheaper to operate than the Flankers.

    Its R-27 missiles, not R-73s or any other missile....just good old R-27s (probably some newer version of it)

    Sry i didnt answer earlier, i have Covid and i was 14 days in quarantine....

    Thanks for sharing the information... glad you are better,,, Smile

    This is old video about R-27 multiple launch from Su-30SM...

    Interesting... if you slow the video down to 0.25 and go to about 1 minute and 1 second when he launches the R-27s you can see the first missile has nose fins and appears to be the smaller R-27 model rather than the enlarged R-27E model, while the second missile he fires does not have the nose fins... and also looks like the smaller R-27 model.

    A flight simulator is one thing but launching real missiles is something else...

    Thanks for posting...

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