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    Su-30 for Russian Air Force #2

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    Post  franco Sat May 08, 2021 9:22 pm

    Most of them are only 2 squadrons or they could increase the number of squadrons and also the number of forward bases.

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    Post  George1 Sun May 09, 2021 12:00 am

    AMCXXL wrote:https://iz.ru/1158724/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/aviapolku-pribylo-iug-rossii-i-kavkaz-ukrepiat-istrebiteliami-su-35?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
    The latest Su-35S will equip the squadron of the 31st Fighter Aviation Regiment in Millerovo, Rostov Region, sources in the defense department told Izvestia. Pilot training for them has already begun. Previously, there were no aircraft of this type in the Southern Military District (YuVO). Now the air regiment is armed with Su-30SM fighters.

    This could indicate the replacement of the Su-30SM in the VKS by the Su-35.

    In other words, the Southern District would have already received all the necessary Su-30SMs (20 in Millerovo and 12 in Saki)

    Now Millerovo would begin to receive the Su-35, while in Su-30SM it would be sent to modernize to the SM2 standard.
    Once modernized, 12 would go to Saki to complete the 43rd regiment, while others would remain as doubles for the Su-35 regiment in Millerovo. There is probably more Su-30SM than necesary here, since Belbek should also receive Su-35s in the future with also some Su-30SM2 as doubles.

    If you see the west district also received 32 Su-30SM (24 Kursk and 8 Kaliningrad)
    then can follow the same way and send some Su-30 to the navy and then, Kursk will receive the Su-35 (one dozen of which are already in 790º regiment)
    The east district can transfer the 24 S-30SM of Domna to Pacific Fleet, replacng with Su-34,  and North fleet will receive the new contracted 21 Su-30SM2 , conting with two already in 279º regiment and two remainng from the old contract

    then the Su-30SM2 will be mainly in the Navy, and the Air Force will have mainly Su-57 and Su-35

    This hypothesis could explain recent announcements about new aircraft deliveries in certain regiments, which otherwise would not be understood.
    This would also mean that the final number of Su-57 regiments would be higher than 3, since the 3 Su-30SM regiments would disappear from the VKS.

    so all 110+ Su-30SMs will be assigned to the Navy??
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    Post  GarryB Sun May 09, 2021 5:38 am

    So as Su-30s are disappearing from Russian service to essentially be replaced with Su-35UBs the US rates its F-22s as being better than Su-30s...

    Good to know they are keeping ahead of the game... that bleeding edge....

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    Post  Isos Sun May 09, 2021 12:02 pm

    Quite normal. Su-30 was a good improvement over soviet air force jets but quite useless when compared to su-35 and 57 which are way better.

    Only advantage is two guys in the plane which make it easier to fly and operate but that's costly.

    It was also good to buy because it had lot of foreign operators which dicrease the cost but now they are all switching for su-35/57.

    They will do it step by step but production will stop in the next years. They may not even upgrade all of them to keep money for su-57.
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    Post  AMCXXL Sun May 09, 2021 4:29 pm

    George1 wrote:
    AMCXXL wrote:https://iz.ru/1158724/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/aviapolku-pribylo-iug-rossii-i-kavkaz-ukrepiat-istrebiteliami-su-35?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
    The latest Su-35S will equip the squadron of the 31st Fighter Aviation Regiment in Millerovo, Rostov Region, sources in the defense department told Izvestia. Pilot training for them has already begun. Previously, there were no aircraft of this type in the Southern Military District (YuVO). Now the air regiment is armed with Su-30SM fighters.

    This could indicate the replacement of the Su-30SM in the VKS by the Su-35.

    In other words, the Southern District would have already received all the necessary Su-30SMs (20 in Millerovo and 12 in Saki)

    Now Millerovo would begin to receive the Su-35, while in Su-30SM it would be sent to modernize to the SM2 standard.
    Once modernized, 12 would go to Saki to complete the 43rd regiment, while others would remain as doubles for the Su-35 regiment in Millerovo. There is probably more Su-30SM than necesary here, since Belbek should also receive Su-35s in the future with also some Su-30SM2 as doubles.

    If you see the west district also received 32 Su-30SM (24 Kursk and 8 Kaliningrad)
    then can follow the same way and send some Su-30 to the navy and then, Kursk will receive the Su-35 (one dozen of which are already in 790º regiment)
    The east district can transfer the 24 S-30SM of Domna to Pacific Fleet, replacng with Su-34,  and North fleet will receive the new contracted 21 Su-30SM2 , conting with two already in 279º regiment and two remainng from the old contract

    then the Su-30SM2 will be mainly in the Navy, and the Air Force will have mainly Su-57 and Su-35

    This hypothesis could explain recent announcements about new aircraft deliveries in certain regiments, which otherwise would not be understood.
    This would also mean that the final number of Su-57 regiments would be higher than 3, since the 3 Su-30SM regiments would disappear from the VKS.

    so all 110+ Su-30SMs will be assigned to the Navy??

    not only more than 100 in the Navy, there will be other 50 or more in the VKS but not in regiments, only as twin seats in the Su-35 regiments and of course in Kubinka, Akhtubinsk, Lipetsk, etc...

    in fact, in 2013 the Navy only was annonced to have about 50 So-30SM until 2020 (perhaps 24 in Baltic and 24 in Black Sea) but the plans changed after 2014 coup in Ucraine as some airplanes was located near the Ucraine border. Probably this was only a temporary location.

    The question if you have 4 Su-30SM regiments in the Navy (one each fleet), also 3 regiments in VKS and a detachment in each Su-35 regiment, you will need 220 Su--30SM or more and this is not realistic with the plans are to get about 60 Su-30SM until 2027-28

    Is more probably the number of Su-57 regiments will increase after 2028, then you dont need reach the 220 or more Su-30SM
    This means , less Su-30SM regiments in VKS, but more Su-57 regiments in long term

    the only doubt I have is Armenia.
    In 2018 was announced the Su-30SM for replace the soviet MiG-29
    However, after the idiot new president of Armenia was elected (Soros backed) the Su-30SM deployment was stopped
    While Armenia goverment does not allow it, the MiG-29 in Armenia cannot be replaced, and in that case is not clear if will be delivered Su-30SM after Armenia purchased also Su-30SM (is a very small country for two Su-30 wings, that has no sense)
    I´ll bet for MiG-35 for Armenia at the end, if Soros backed president is expelled from office, of course


    I see the Su-30 located in long term:

    96 in 4 Navy marine assault regiments
    8 in Yeisk as naval training squadron
    8 in Kubinka display squadron
    6 in Akhtuinsk
    4 Lipetsk as two seats in Flanker squadron
    36 to 48 as two seats in Su-35 regiments (including 1 or 2 regiments in the Navy)

    this is 160-170

    Isos wrote:Quite normal. Su-30 was a good improvement over soviet air force jets but quite useless when compared to su-35 and 57 which are way better.

    Only advantage is two guys in the plane which make it easier to fly and operate but that's costly.

    It was also good to buy because it had lot of foreign operators which dicrease the cost but now they are all switching for su-35/57.

    They will do it step by step but production will stop in the next years. They may not even upgrade all of them to keep money for su-57.

    they will update all Su-30SMs until 2028, a dozen a year.
    The plane was chosen for the Navy, and once you have the Su-35 engines it is even better to have 2 pilots for the naval patrols, the Su-30SM has more capacity, so you can carry anti-ship missiles and even hypersonic with more margin. .
    The Su-35 is primarily an intereptor and will be used primarily to defend Russia's air borders.

    Most of them are only 2 squadrons or they could increase the number of squadrons and also the number of forward bases.


    The regiments will have two squadrons, Russia does not have the resources to put 40 aircraft in each regiment, nor is it necessary.
    It is better to have more bases with two squadrons in the regiment.

    Many units have already been deployed in forward bases:
    In Crimea a regiment of Su-27 (to be replaced by Su-35) and a regiment with Su-30 on the basis of a former squad of Su-24 were deployed.
    In Kaliningrad a regiment of Su-27 (which had been decommissioned in 2010) and a regiment of Su-30 were deployed on the basis of a squad of Su-24
    In Murmansk Oblast a regiment of MiG-29K was deployed and also a regiment of MiG-31 on the basis of a previous squad
    In Kamchatka a regiment of MiG-31 will be deployed on the basis of a previous squad
    In addition, regiments of Su-30SM will be deployed, long-term, in the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet.
    In addition 3 regiments of Su-57 will be deployed until 2028, two of them totally new. In the future I see a total of 5 or maybe 6 regiments of Su-57


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    Post  PapaDragon Sun May 09, 2021 4:43 pm


    Any option of Navy purchasing Su-34s?
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    Post  AMCXXL Sun May 09, 2021 5:00 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Any option of Navy purchasing Su-34s?

    Monchegorsk will receive Su-34 for patrol the Artic, Pacific fleet probably in the future, but these are bombers not naval assault figthers

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    Post  Isos Sun May 09, 2021 5:43 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Any option of Navy purchasing Su-34s?

    Not their priority They need a new aircraft to replace il-38/tu-142.

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    Post  PhSt Sat May 22, 2021 3:20 am

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    Post  George1 Sun May 23, 2021 5:17 pm

    Ιncident with the Su-30SM fighter of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy in Crimea

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4316489.html

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    Post  franco Sun May 23, 2021 5:19 pm

    George1 wrote:Ιncident with the Su-30SM fighter of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy in Crimea

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4316489.html

    This problem of premature ejection seem to be a problem for the Russian aviation units Shocked

    Embarassed Rolling Eyes
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    Post  TMA1 Sun May 23, 2021 11:21 pm

    What's really strange is an almost identical event happened with an f-15 recently too. Wtf is going on??
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    Post  Yugo90 Mon May 24, 2021 2:22 am

    Did the pilots survive ?
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    Post  George1 Mon May 24, 2021 5:19 am

    Yugo90 wrote:Did the pilots survive ?

    Yes
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    Post  Finty Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:01 pm

    I was wondering where the Su-30SM2s would be based first, not much news on them but found this from earlier this month

    https://www.defence24.pl/pulki-z-kaliningradu-zostana-dozbrojone-w-najnowsze-su-30sm

    The Russian defense ministry wants to strengthen the Baltic Fleet with additional modern Su-30SM fighters, the Izvestia daily reported on Wednesday. Their exact delivery is not known, but it is expected that by the end of 2022, the Russian Navy is expected to receive the 21 newest fighters, some of which will be in Kaliningrad. Currently, the 4th assault aviation regiment stationed there has one Su-30SM squadron.

    "Strengthening the Western Military District this year has been recognized as a priority task against the background of NATO activation in the region and the Alliance's large Baltops exercises," emphasizes Izvestia.

    Most likely, these will be the Su-30SM2, which are the target of the Russian Ministry of Defense and by the end of 2022 in the number of 21 copies, which, among other things, could complement the aviation of the Baltic Fleet.

    Military expert Dmitry Boltenkov expressed his assumption that the new Su-30SM2 would probably be added to another unit of the 4th assault aviation regiment. They can also - he reserved - be sent to the 689th Fighter Regiment. The 4th regiment receives the Su-30SM in its basic version from December 2016, the existing squadron has up to 12 machines.

    Both the Su-30SM and the older Su-24M belonging to the naval aviation in the Kaliningrad Oblast are actively practicing attacking not only sea targets, but also land targets - "Izvestia" emphasizes. These machines train the firing of "intelligent" missiles, and even such a complicated preparation element as air refueling.

    Overall, the Su-30SM multi-role fighters have already become the most mass machine among the new combat aircraft, estimates Izvestia. The armed forces of Russia (navy and air-space forces) have received about 130 of these aircraft so far. Russia also supplies the Su-30SM abroad: to Armenia, Kazakhstan and Belarus. In various variants, the Su-30SM went to China, India and Vietnam.

    At present, the Russian naval aviation has 30 Su-30SM aircraft in the Crimea, Kaliningrad and in the Northern Fleet. The newest variant of the SM2, starting with the SM version, uses AL-41F-1C engines with a variable thrust vector. The new equipment also includes the Irbis radar, which has been added, among others due to the progressive unification of devices in Russian aircraft.
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    Post  Finty Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:08 pm

    https://eurasiantimes.com/watch-russian-su-30-fighter-forces-f-35-stealth-jets-to-retreat-in-their-first-ever-encounter/EUROPE

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    A Russian Sukhoi Su 30-SM fighter jet and two F-35-A Lightning II aircraft of the Italian Air Force were involved in an aerial interception over the Baltic Sea, according to reports.

    A video shared on Instagram showed a Russian Su-30SM Flanker and two US-made F-35s flying alongside somewhere off Estonia, the location where these Italian stealth jets are deployed to conduct Quick Reaction Alert (QRA) as a part of the NATO Baltic Air Policing Mission.

    It is believed the F-35s took over NATO’s Baltic mission from the German Air Force Eurofighter unit, which had previously been stationed there.

    The F-35A fighter jets can be seen approaching a Russian An-12 transport aircraft which was escorted by a Su 30-SM fighter jet to Kaliningrad.

    As soon as the F-35A was flying in close range of the An-12 transport aircraft, the Russian Su 30SM suddenly flew close to the Italian fighter forcing it to retreat.

    The F-35A fighter jets involved in this intercept came from Amendola Air Base in southeastern Italy.

    This was the first unit of the Aeronautica Militare to obtain the Lightning II aircraft in 2016 and the first in Europe to receive Initial Operational Capability (IOC) in 2018, according to The Aviationist.

    The Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II is an American fifth-generation single-engine, all-weather stealth multirole fighter jet. Considered the most technologically advanced airplane ever built, it combines high-end stealth with unmatched situational awareness.

    The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program is the most expensive weapons program of the US military. Supported by advanced data capturing and a robust communication suite, it can conduct mission operations electronically, The EurAsian Times reported earlier.

    The Su-30SM is a modernized 4+ generation version of the original Russian Su-30 fighter aircraft. It is a super-maneuverable multi-role fighter that was created according to the specifications of the Russian Aerospace Forces.

    The current generation Su-30SM and their variants have the AL-31F engine on board which provides a maximum thrust of 12,500 kilogram-force. Being a super-maneuverable jet, it is one of the world’s finest dogfighters with upgrades being done to equip it with credible BVR engagement options (beyond visual range).

    The Su-30SM is considered a combat-ready fighter, although its production has been halted in favor of the more competent Su-30SM2 which is at present starting its service in the Russian Air Force.

    There is speculation that the decision to send a Su-30SM to escort a basic transport over the Baltics may have been based on intelligence that an F-35 would be present to provide an opportunity to run in with the American-built fighter, according to an analysis published by militarywatchmagazine.
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    Post  Finty Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:12 pm

    The way this is written could arguably suggest that some M2s will be upgraded Ms but I was under the impression the 60 ordered are all in fact new-build.

    https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/333829-how-will-su-30sm-be

    The upcoming version will receive new engines and radars, as well as guided bombs and missiles, in order to make the 30-year-old fighter jet a “bird” to be reckoned with in modern warfare.
    According to Russian media reports, the Su-30SM fighter jet will be upgraded with the CM2 ‘Super-Sukhoi’ modification. It will receive an engine of increased maneuverability, as well as unique radars. In addition, its arsenal will be significantly expanded. It will include the latest guided bombs and missiles. According to experts, such modernization will significantly increase the potential of Russian combat aviation.

    It is planned that the work will be completed by 2027. Not only fighters of the Aerospace Forces, but also naval aviation will fall under the upgrade.

    However, the exact number of Su-30SM fighter jets that will receive these modifications is still to be determined in the coming months.

    What will be different
    Since 2015, Russian engineers have been working to increase the combat capabilities of the Su-30SM. In particular, it was decided to unify the Su-30SM and Su-35S as much as possible. For this purpose, the preparation of the Su-30SM model with a new engine began, as well as the study of the possibility of installing a much more powerful ‘Irbis’ radar, instead of the current system.

    As part of the modernization, developers are solving the problem of installing the AL-41F-1C engine in the Su-30SM2, which the super-maneuverable Su-35S fighters use. Compared to the current Su-30SM power plant, the thrust of the new engine will increase by 16.

    “The life of the aircraft engine has doubled at once, up to 4 thousand hours, without increasing the weight and dimensions. Equipped with a plasma ignition system, the AL-41F-1C is more economical than the AL-31FP currently installed on the ‘thirty’. With the same amount of fuel, the fighter will be able to stay in the air longer. In addition, the onboard electronics, radar and optical-location station have been improved,” says Vadim Kozulin, a professor at the Academy of Military Science.

    According to him, these modifications will increase the jet’s range of fire - an essential part in modern aerial battles.

    “The updated propulsion system, firstly, reduces fuel consumption and, secondly, due to this, with the same fuel supply, the flight range increases. The improved radar enhances the ability to accurately determine and detect the enemy's range,” the expert adds.

    The Su-30SM for the Russian Armed Forces was created on the basis of a well-developed export version of the Su-30MK, which became a hit on the international arms market at the turn of the century. More than 300 aircraft of this type were delivered to India, Algeria and Malaysia. The use of such a platform made it possible to quickly create modifications and quickly launch mass production.
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    Post  Mir Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:12 pm

    Finty wrote:https://eurasiantimes.com/watch-russian-su-30-fighter-forces-f-35-stealth-jets-to-retreat-in-their-first-ever-encounter/EUROPE

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    A Russian Sukhoi Su 30-SM fighter jet and two  F-35-A Lightning II aircraft of the Italian Air Force were involved in an aerial interception over the Baltic Sea, according to reports.


    Very funny post this Laughing

    First they claim that the F-35 is "considered the most technologically advanced airplane ever built, it combines high-end stealth with unmatched situational awareness."
    Then they claim that the Su-30SM is considered to be a "combat-ready fighter" (that's really nice of them to give that kind of recognition lol! )
    Then they more or less admit that Su-30SM surprised them by "suddenly" flying close to the Italian fighter with it's "unmatched situational awareness"
    They then realize their mistake and followed it up with "There is speculation that the decision to send a Su-30SM to escort a basic transport over the Baltics may have been based on intelligence that an F-35 would be present to provide an opportunity to run in with the American-built fighter"

    From all that it is clear to me that they weren't able to track the Su-30, but the Russians had no problem tracking this super "high-end stealth" fighter.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:14 pm


    That website is dogshit source​ who make shit up half the time and post retarded crap the other half

    Ignore anything you read there

    Plus I don't think it's even Russian site

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    Post  Mir Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:53 pm

    I had a good laugh - it was well worth it Very Happy
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:01 pm

    Then they more or less admit that Su-30SM surprised them by "suddenly" flying close to the Italian fighter with it's "unmatched situational awareness"
    They then realize their mistake and followed it up with "There is speculation that the decision to send a Su-30SM to escort a basic transport over the Baltics may have been based on intelligence that an F-35 would be present to provide an opportunity to run in with the American-built fighter"

    Amusing it ignores the fact that American made Italian Air Force fighters are intercepting Russian aircraft operating in the Baltic, but that Russia needs some secret hidden motive to send fighters to escort its aircraft that these hostile fighters are practise intercepting... this is not Russia flying transport planes through the Med with fighter escorts to bait Italy into a response...

    And amusing the F-35 is so amazing... I thought all 5th gen aircraft had some pretty impressive communications and other avionics systems to detect targets and threats... they are slowing down production of the F-35 so they can make some more expensive but also more capable F-15s... but then to be fair the Russians are making some planes other than the Su-30 that are better too...
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    Post  Mir Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:09 pm

    Well it looks like they might as well just restart Su-30 production and produce a Su-57 each year to get some practice before the 6th gen lol!
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:58 pm

    Interesting size comparison. Langley, 1992. Those were the days Laughing Actually a Su-27?

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