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    Post  franco Sat May 08, 2021 9:22 pm

    Most of them are only 2 squadrons or they could increase the number of squadrons and also the number of forward bases.

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    Post  George1 Sun May 09, 2021 12:00 am

    AMCXXL wrote:https://iz.ru/1158724/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/aviapolku-pribylo-iug-rossii-i-kavkaz-ukrepiat-istrebiteliami-su-35?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
    The latest Su-35S will equip the squadron of the 31st Fighter Aviation Regiment in Millerovo, Rostov Region, sources in the defense department told Izvestia. Pilot training for them has already begun. Previously, there were no aircraft of this type in the Southern Military District (YuVO). Now the air regiment is armed with Su-30SM fighters.

    This could indicate the replacement of the Su-30SM in the VKS by the Su-35.

    In other words, the Southern District would have already received all the necessary Su-30SMs (20 in Millerovo and 12 in Saki)

    Now Millerovo would begin to receive the Su-35, while in Su-30SM it would be sent to modernize to the SM2 standard.
    Once modernized, 12 would go to Saki to complete the 43rd regiment, while others would remain as doubles for the Su-35 regiment in Millerovo. There is probably more Su-30SM than necesary here, since Belbek should also receive Su-35s in the future with also some Su-30SM2 as doubles.

    If you see the west district also received 32 Su-30SM (24 Kursk and 8 Kaliningrad)
    then can follow the same way and send some Su-30 to the navy and then, Kursk will receive the Su-35 (one dozen of which are already in 790º regiment)
    The east district can transfer the 24 S-30SM of Domna to Pacific Fleet, replacng with Su-34,  and North fleet will receive the new contracted 21 Su-30SM2 , conting with two already in 279º regiment and two remainng from the old contract

    then the Su-30SM2 will be mainly in the Navy, and the Air Force will have mainly Su-57 and Su-35

    This hypothesis could explain recent announcements about new aircraft deliveries in certain regiments, which otherwise would not be understood.
    This would also mean that the final number of Su-57 regiments would be higher than 3, since the 3 Su-30SM regiments would disappear from the VKS.

    so all 110+ Su-30SMs will be assigned to the Navy??
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    Post  GarryB Sun May 09, 2021 5:38 am

    So as Su-30s are disappearing from Russian service to essentially be replaced with Su-35UBs the US rates its F-22s as being better than Su-30s...

    Good to know they are keeping ahead of the game... that bleeding edge....

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    Post  Isos Sun May 09, 2021 12:02 pm

    Quite normal. Su-30 was a good improvement over soviet air force jets but quite useless when compared to su-35 and 57 which are way better.

    Only advantage is two guys in the plane which make it easier to fly and operate but that's costly.

    It was also good to buy because it had lot of foreign operators which dicrease the cost but now they are all switching for su-35/57.

    They will do it step by step but production will stop in the next years. They may not even upgrade all of them to keep money for su-57.
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    Post  AMCXXL Sun May 09, 2021 4:29 pm

    George1 wrote:
    AMCXXL wrote:https://iz.ru/1158724/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/aviapolku-pribylo-iug-rossii-i-kavkaz-ukrepiat-istrebiteliami-su-35?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
    The latest Su-35S will equip the squadron of the 31st Fighter Aviation Regiment in Millerovo, Rostov Region, sources in the defense department told Izvestia. Pilot training for them has already begun. Previously, there were no aircraft of this type in the Southern Military District (YuVO). Now the air regiment is armed with Su-30SM fighters.

    This could indicate the replacement of the Su-30SM in the VKS by the Su-35.

    In other words, the Southern District would have already received all the necessary Su-30SMs (20 in Millerovo and 12 in Saki)

    Now Millerovo would begin to receive the Su-35, while in Su-30SM it would be sent to modernize to the SM2 standard.
    Once modernized, 12 would go to Saki to complete the 43rd regiment, while others would remain as doubles for the Su-35 regiment in Millerovo. There is probably more Su-30SM than necesary here, since Belbek should also receive Su-35s in the future with also some Su-30SM2 as doubles.

    If you see the west district also received 32 Su-30SM (24 Kursk and 8 Kaliningrad)
    then can follow the same way and send some Su-30 to the navy and then, Kursk will receive the Su-35 (one dozen of which are already in 790º regiment)
    The east district can transfer the 24 S-30SM of Domna to Pacific Fleet, replacng with Su-34,  and North fleet will receive the new contracted 21 Su-30SM2 , conting with two already in 279º regiment and two remainng from the old contract

    then the Su-30SM2 will be mainly in the Navy, and the Air Force will have mainly Su-57 and Su-35

    This hypothesis could explain recent announcements about new aircraft deliveries in certain regiments, which otherwise would not be understood.
    This would also mean that the final number of Su-57 regiments would be higher than 3, since the 3 Su-30SM regiments would disappear from the VKS.

    so all 110+ Su-30SMs will be assigned to the Navy??

    not only more than 100 in the Navy, there will be other 50 or more in the VKS but not in regiments, only as twin seats in the Su-35 regiments and of course in Kubinka, Akhtubinsk, Lipetsk, etc...

    in fact, in 2013 the Navy only was annonced to have about 50 So-30SM until 2020 (perhaps 24 in Baltic and 24 in Black Sea) but the plans changed after 2014 coup in Ucraine as some airplanes was located near the Ucraine border. Probably this was only a temporary location.

    The question if you have 4 Su-30SM regiments in the Navy (one each fleet), also 3 regiments in VKS and a detachment in each Su-35 regiment, you will need 220 Su--30SM or more and this is not realistic with the plans are to get about 60 Su-30SM until 2027-28

    Is more probably the number of Su-57 regiments will increase after 2028, then you dont need reach the 220 or more Su-30SM
    This means , less Su-30SM regiments in VKS, but more Su-57 regiments in long term

    the only doubt I have is Armenia.
    In 2018 was announced the Su-30SM for replace the soviet MiG-29
    However, after the idiot new president of Armenia was elected (Soros backed) the Su-30SM deployment was stopped
    While Armenia goverment does not allow it, the MiG-29 in Armenia cannot be replaced, and in that case is not clear if will be delivered Su-30SM after Armenia purchased also Su-30SM (is a very small country for two Su-30 wings, that has no sense)
    I´ll bet for MiG-35 for Armenia at the end, if Soros backed president is expelled from office, of course


    I see the Su-30 located in long term:

    96 in 4 Navy marine assault regiments
    8 in Yeisk as naval training squadron
    8 in Kubinka display squadron
    6 in Akhtuinsk
    4 Lipetsk as two seats in Flanker squadron
    36 to 48 as two seats in Su-35 regiments (including 1 or 2 regiments in the Navy)

    this is 160-170

    Isos wrote:Quite normal. Su-30 was a good improvement over soviet air force jets but quite useless when compared to su-35 and 57 which are way better.

    Only advantage is two guys in the plane which make it easier to fly and operate but that's costly.

    It was also good to buy because it had lot of foreign operators which dicrease the cost but now they are all switching for su-35/57.

    They will do it step by step but production will stop in the next years. They may not even upgrade all of them to keep money for su-57.

    they will update all Su-30SMs until 2028, a dozen a year.
    The plane was chosen for the Navy, and once you have the Su-35 engines it is even better to have 2 pilots for the naval patrols, the Su-30SM has more capacity, so you can carry anti-ship missiles and even hypersonic with more margin. .
    The Su-35 is primarily an intereptor and will be used primarily to defend Russia's air borders.

    Most of them are only 2 squadrons or they could increase the number of squadrons and also the number of forward bases.


    The regiments will have two squadrons, Russia does not have the resources to put 40 aircraft in each regiment, nor is it necessary.
    It is better to have more bases with two squadrons in the regiment.

    Many units have already been deployed in forward bases:
    In Crimea a regiment of Su-27 (to be replaced by Su-35) and a regiment with Su-30 on the basis of a former squad of Su-24 were deployed.
    In Kaliningrad a regiment of Su-27 (which had been decommissioned in 2010) and a regiment of Su-30 were deployed on the basis of a squad of Su-24
    In Murmansk Oblast a regiment of MiG-29K was deployed and also a regiment of MiG-31 on the basis of a previous squad
    In Kamchatka a regiment of MiG-31 will be deployed on the basis of a previous squad
    In addition, regiments of Su-30SM will be deployed, long-term, in the Northern Fleet and the Pacific Fleet.
    In addition 3 regiments of Su-57 will be deployed until 2028, two of them totally new. In the future I see a total of 5 or maybe 6 regiments of Su-57


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    Post  PapaDragon Sun May 09, 2021 4:43 pm


    Any option of Navy purchasing Su-34s?
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    Post  AMCXXL Sun May 09, 2021 5:00 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Any option of Navy purchasing Su-34s?

    Monchegorsk will receive Su-34 for patrol the Artic, Pacific fleet probably in the future, but these are bombers not naval assault figthers

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    Post  Isos Sun May 09, 2021 5:43 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Any option of Navy purchasing Su-34s?

    Not their priority They need a new aircraft to replace il-38/tu-142.

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    Post  George1 Sun May 23, 2021 5:17 pm

    Ιncident with the Su-30SM fighter of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy in Crimea

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4316489.html

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    Post  franco Sun May 23, 2021 5:19 pm

    George1 wrote:Ιncident with the Su-30SM fighter of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy in Crimea

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4316489.html

    This problem of premature ejection seem to be a problem for the Russian aviation units Shocked

    Embarassed Rolling Eyes
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    Post  TMA1 Sun May 23, 2021 11:21 pm

    What's really strange is an almost identical event happened with an f-15 recently too. Wtf is going on??
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    Post  Yugo90 Mon May 24, 2021 2:22 am

    Did the pilots survive ?
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    Post  George1 Mon May 24, 2021 5:19 am

    Yugo90 wrote:Did the pilots survive ?

    Yes
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