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    Post  franco on Thu Nov 12, 2020 10:50 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Getting very popular the Red Sea, what with the Chinese just down the coast.

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    Should be able to resupply Yemen from there Wink
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    Post  flamming_python on Thu Nov 12, 2020 11:31 pm

    franco wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:Getting very popular the Red Sea, what with the Chinese just down the coast.

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    Should be able to resupply Yemen from there Wink

    No doubt, Russia will be looking for a way to access Ethiopia as well; that's a country with which Russia has had long-standing ties in the region.
    Granted, it's landlocked status has limited its development and strategic importance.
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    Post  Backman on Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:07 am

    ^ We shall be on the lookout for heightened terrorist activity, govt protest and political instability in Sudan now that Sudan has granted Russia this concession.

    I wonder how the air defense will work on a base like this. They cant just set up and s-300 there i wouldn't think

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    Post  George1 on Sun Nov 15, 2020 1:11 pm

    Backman wrote:^ We shall be on the lookout for heightened terrorist activity, govt protest and political instability in Sudan now that Sudan has granted Russia this concession.

    I wonder how the air defense will work on a base like this. They cant just set up and s-300 there i wouldn't think

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    Post  lyle6 on Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:24 pm

    Backman wrote:^ We shall be on the lookout for heightened terrorist activity, govt protest and political instability in Sudan now that Sudan has granted Russia this concession.

    I wonder how the air defense will work on a base like this. They cant just set up and s-300 there i wouldn't think

    That Russian base is Sudan's insurance policy. First it was meant to scare off the US, then after the last president (who was close to Turkey and MB in general) was overthrown as a counterweight to the Turkish presence in Suakin island.

    Funny how wherever Turkey goes the Russians inadvertently pop-up like mushrooms in their wake.
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    Post  Hole on Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:12 pm

    S-300 systems can be deployed everywhere. In a nutshell. Every component is mobile, just like most of the russian radar systems. But I would guess Russia will use a S-400 in Port Sudan + a Bastion complex.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:05 pm

    Hole wrote:S-300 systems can be deployed everywhere. In a nutshell. Every component is mobile, just like most of the russian radar systems. But I would guess Russia will use a S-400 in Port Sudan + a Bastion complex.

    There is no need for. Ship's radar there will be used as AD. On the ground Tor/Pantsir is enough.

    I would rather send 4 su-30SM which can also attack the enemy, if there is an airport nearby.

    But I suspect it won't be the case. From what I understood it's just a resupply base, not a real military base. More likely only for food, fuel and rest in a civilian port.
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    Post  Hole on Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:09 am

    Tartus started that way. A few years down the road... Cool
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Nov 16, 2020 11:17 am

    Isos wrote:
    Hole wrote:S-300 systems can be deployed everywhere. In a nutshell. Every component is mobile, just like most of the russian radar systems. But I would guess Russia will use a S-400 in Port Sudan + a Bastion complex.

    There is no need for. Ship's radar there will be used as AD. On the ground Tor/Pantsir is enough.

    I would rather send 4 su-30SM which can also attack the enemy, if there is an airport nearby.

    But I suspect it won't be the case. From what I understood it's just a resupply base, not a real military base. More likely only for food, fuel and rest in a civilian port.

    Yeah, at least at the beginning it won't be a full fledged base. However some short and medium range Anti air defence (Pantsir, Tor and BukM3) would be quite useful.

    Just an interesting consideration: If they deployed there a S400 they would cover also Mecca (about 320 km from Port Sudan).
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:08 pm

    Opinion: regarding the new base in Sudan.

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    Post  Isos on Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:32 pm

    Like I said not a real base but a logistic center.


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    Post  George1 on Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:39 pm

    Isos wrote:Like I said not a real base but a logistic center.


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    Tartus also is considered a logistics center Very Happy
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    Post  Isos on Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:46 pm

    Well they invested money to make it a real base. If they want a base in Sudan they will also need to invest.

    According to the German intel', russians plan to have 7 new bases aboard. I don't remember however if its in the world or just in Africa.

    But since they got involved in Libya, Sudan and CAR, they will for sure build a big base somewhere with 12-20 sukhois to cover their interest. Lot of contracts were signed in Africa specially in mines prospects.

    But I doubt it will in Sudan. Lot of western bases around there. They would be better on the other side of Africa.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:16 pm

    Isos wrote:...But since they got involved in Libya, Sudan and CAR, they will for sure build a big base somewhere with 12-20 sukhois to cover their interest. Lot of contracts were signed in Africa specially in mines prospects....

    It's about having a place to station and maintain vessels without having to shuttle them all the way from Russia thus avoiding wear and tear

    They can shuttle fresh crews with airplanes no problem

    And Sudan is next door to Central Africa Republic



    Isos wrote:...But I doubt it will in Sudan. Lot of western bases around there. They would be better on the other side of Africa.

    West Africa would be jackpot

    Imagine having a location in Central Atlantic to park nuclear subs?



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    Post  Isos on Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:22 pm

    Imagine having a location in Central Atlantic to park nuclear subs?

    Not only.

    Deep water. Large ocean, not closed. Most importantly there is no big power there having a base.

    If I'm not wrong Angola is around there and is a good client.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:32 pm

    C/S. Atlantic isn't within the sphere of Russian interests as much as the Indian Ocean. Her Pac. Fleet subs can reach it unimpeded vs. N. Fleet subs that will need to go via GIUK Gap. They didn't deploy them from Kola to the Indian Ocean even in the Soviet VMF.
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    Post  Isos on Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:41 pm

    They can keep there 1 sierra/victor and 1 Delta class transformed into SSGN. Add 1 il-114MPA, 2 Steregoushchy and 2 missiles boat of Molniya class supported by 6 su-30SM.

    A small action group that will mobilize a big pàrt of NATO.
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    Post  Hole on Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:48 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Imagine having a location in Central Atlantic to park nuclear subs?

    Not only.

    Deep water. Large ocean, not closed. Most importantly there is no big power there having a base.

    If I'm not wrong Angola is around there and is a good client.

    The Angolese are very friendly to the russians because of their help against south africa. Would be a great place for a few bombers, too.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:01 am

    Improved relations with South Africa open all sorts of options too....
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    Post  Hole on Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:22 am

    Yes. The guy after Mandela spoke russian.
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    Post  wilhelm on Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:17 pm

    Simon's Town naval base just South of Cape Town is the most important naval base in the Southern Hemisphere for a reason. In the mountains near the naval base is a buried Command and Control and Intelligence gathering centre which has a far reach into the Atlantic and Indian oceans. Even during the sanctions era during Apartheid, it was too good to pass up for the West, who's little cooperation with South Africa mainly focussed on the intelligence gathering facilities of this centre, called Silvermine.
    It was used to trade with the West by South Africa.

    The map below shows global maritime commercial traffic.
    There is a reason South Africa built the Silvermine Centre, and bought maritime strike Buccaneer bombers, and built a comprehensive onshore submarine simulation and training centre, and submarine synchrolift at Simon's Town naval base to support their submarines to a high standard.

    The Cape sits astride a very important global route.

    That is a lot of traffic, including VLCC vessels transporting a huge amount of the world's oil...and a lot of commercial goods from Europe and Asia.
    And the bulk of the world's goods and trade goes via sea.

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    Post  George1 on Thu Nov 19, 2020 4:48 pm

    Isos wrote:Well they invested money to make it a real base. If they want a base in Sudan they will also need to invest.

    According to the German intel', russians plan to have 7 new bases aboard. I don't remember however if its in the world or just in Africa.

    But since they got involved in Libya, Sudan and CAR, they will for sure build a big base somewhere with 12-20 sukhois to cover their interest. Lot of contracts were signed in Africa specially in mines prospects.

    But I doubt it will in Sudan. Lot of western bases around there. They would be better on the other side of Africa.

    These countries are the Central African Republic, Egypt, Eritrea, Madagascar, Mozambique, and Sudan according to the Foreign Ministry’s leaked document.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-reportedly-signs-deals-allowing-bases-in-6-african-countries-2020-8

    but i find it too much. In Eritrea for example, Russia has tried last years to make a deal for a naval base there but since they will build a facility in sudan now maybe they dont need another port in the same region

    Madagascar and Mozambique probably will allow access to their ports for visits of russian naval ships
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    Post  par far on Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:04 pm

    What ships do you guys think will be used for the Naval base in Sudan?
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    Post  Isos on Thu Nov 19, 2020 11:14 pm

    par far wrote:What ships do you guys think will be used for the Naval base in Sudan?

    Steregoushchys from the Baltic were supposed to operate there according to Vladimir79.

    I see also some of the new patrol vessels for anti-pirates missiins and protection of their civilian ships.

    They will probably rotate and send anything they can. Then when they get modern ships in good numbers they can allocate some ships specially there with crew rotation with planes.

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