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    Post  Hole on Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:52 pm

    Problems with Star Wars vs reality, and the plots in those movies in general Death_10
    Very Happy

    Vote for the ones you like by clicking on them... if I set this up right you should be able to like as many as you want.
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    Post  LMFS on Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:56 pm

    Hole wrote:Problems with Star Wars vs reality, and the plots in those movies in general Death_10
    Very Happy

    That's an interesting hull indeed lol1
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:39 pm

    Idk man I heard it has a weak spot where one lucky shot takes it out, Seems like terrible design to me
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:43 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Idk man I heard it has a weak spot where one lucky shot takes it out, Seems like terrible design to me

    I heard it was intentional sabotage

    One of the lead designers was working for the enemy
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    Post  GarryB on Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:44 am

    And we can trust the source... a lot of brave people lost their lives getting us this information... it was the only decent new Star Wars movie in a while...
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:32 am

    It is rather funny that the intentionally designed weakspot is only vulnerable to an absurdly lucky shot or a shot guided by space magic and not something more exploitable.
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    Post  Tingsay on Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:54 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Idk man I heard it has a weak spot where one lucky shot takes it out, Seems like  terrible design to me

    Hollywood revisionist propaganda bullcrap! They only showed the last blow to make it appear it was brought down by one guy, the "Hero", conveniently ignoring all the damage it had taken over the course of the long battle.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:27 am

    The-thing-next-door wrote:It is rather funny that the intentionally designed weakspot is only vulnerable to an absurdly lucky shot or a shot guided by space magic and not something more exploitable.

    It's perfectly exploitable by standard shot

    It's just that terrorists in question opted to use space magic instead of computer after previous one lucked out
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:37 am

    With Pantsir-M guarding the weak spot the Empire would still exist. Very Happy
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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:41 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:

    It's perfectly exploitable by standard shot

    It's just that terrorists in question opted to use space magic instead of computer after previous one lucked out

    If you are the lead designer and want to sabotage it but not have it blow up when first test fired perhaps you should just design the dish is a way that would cause it to catastrophically fail if it recieved any battle damage and if questioned claim that you cannot see any way around it. Or better just include a disguised self destruct in the air vents and tell your rebel friends about it, due to their policy of abducting nearby craft rather than firing on the getting on the death star would be rather easy.

    A shaft that long is a 1 in 10 000 000 shot and they only attempted it out of desperation and only succeeded because of the force and
    their plot armor.

    Hole wrote:With Pantsir-M guarding the weak spot the Empire would still exist. Very Happy

    That is what I would always think when seeing capital ships be defeated by attackers at point blank range, that and get some bloody missiles on your ships.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:56 am

    I think this discussion needs to move it is continues as it is Off Topic ... of course you would think the easiest way to destroy something the size of a deathstar is to build a ship slightly bigger than the Millenium Falcon and load up the empty space with containers of anti matter and then from 50 light minutes away make the calculations for light speed directly towards the death star and have it come out of hyperspace/light speed inside the death star... or at least past its shields.

    If the armour is as rubbish as the armour worn by the Storm Troopers it should be easy to take out...

    Moving to its own thread in the General chat section....
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:07 am

    Idk man I heard it has a weak spot where one lucky shot takes it out, Seems like terrible design to me

    Actually once you work out where the weak spot is it would not be that hard to turn it in to a trap and also at the same time put a few kinks down the port tube so even a successful hit wont get to the reactor..... and in the trench leading up to the vulnerable point for 1km in both directions along that trench (so the roof shielding is 2km long) from the point and back you could have shields over the top like a roof so no spacecraft flying down the trenches could climb up and away and escape and no Millenium Falcon can come down at the last second and save the day... and then 100m before the vulnerable point in both directions have a wall shield so the spacecraft could only stop and turn around and leave the way they came with no chance of firing any weapon into the port... by which time laser cannons in the trench can open fire and destroy all the attacking pilots... who will be the best pilots the rebels have of course...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jul 17, 2020 1:58 pm


    You could add a poll on top about which of 11 Star Wars movies is the best​

    Let's have some fun
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:26 pm

    Polls are limited to 10 choices sadly...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:Polls are limited to 10 choices sadly...

    Just ditch Solo, I doubt it's anyone's favorite (if it is it would barely count as rounding error)
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    Post  George1 on Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:24 pm

    Personally i am a trekkie



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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:25 am

    I remember someone comparing the two... Star Wars and Star Trek... they described Star Wars as a rollercoaster with long bits that create story and then periods of excitement... they described Star Trek as more like Sub warfare.

    I have made this thread a poll about Star Wars so perhaps a new thread for Star Trek? Smile

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:03 pm

    I've just completed watching Star Wars The Episode IX and I feel disappointed about the whole sequel trilogy.

    I's just a rehash of the Original Trilogy. It would be much more ambitious to turn the Thrawn trilogy or the Yuuzhan Vong trilogy into movies.
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    Post  Werewolf on Thu Aug 20, 2020 4:22 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:I've just completed watching Star Wars The Episode IX and I feel disappointed about the whole sequel trilogy.

    I's just a rehash of the Original Trilogy. It would be much more ambitious to turn the Thrawn trilogy or the Yuuzhan Vong trilogy into movies.

    The problem it suffers from is not only bad uninspired writing, they also had their list of checkboxes which they needed to check.

    strong female
    gay
    black guy
    some love story involving interracial relationship

    Did I miss something?

    The sequels have been only bearable because...
    a) It's Star Wars and the nostalgia was forcing me to see it
    b) some funny and awesome battle scenes
    c) because some of the old cast were involved.

    I find it a bid morbid that they made CGI Carry Fisher after shie died, but Disney doesn't give a shit about how the family feels seeing their beloved one being totally unreal.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:03 pm

    The Thrawn Trilogy would have been a much better choice. You get a story that
    1. logically follows the Episode VI (the Sequels don't)
    2. is very well written
    3. is known to all hardcore SW fans
    4. isn't the Original Trilogy v2.0

    Except it would have to get a different director.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:25 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:The Thrawn Trilogy would have been a much better choice. You get a story that
    1. logically follows the Episode VI (the Sequels don't)
    2. is very well written
    3. is known to all hardcore SW fans
    4. isn't the Original Trilogy v2.0

    Except it would have to get a different director.

    Star Wars for all of its limitations had a lot of potential for interesting movies. They could have made something in the vein
    of Mysteries of the Sith. Instead, they focused on cheesy PC rubbish. Pandering never gives a good product. Too many
    contradictory demands from the feelings-challenged, intolerant, sanctimonious brown shirts on social media. These clowns
    should never be pandered to, they need to be publicly shamed and ostracized.

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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg on Thu Aug 20, 2020 8:41 pm

    Sequels aren't bad because of PC. They are simply repetitive. Disney decided to make a new trilogy that is like the old one, we have Darth Vader v2.0, Death Star v2.0, (sort of ) Palpatine v2.0, Tatooine v2.0 and a sort of Luke-Leia crossover. All of that is bad as the prequels already had a lot of references to OT.

    The new movies don't have to be a rehash of the old ones in order to be interesing. They can be a new formula and don't even have to be about Skywalkers.
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    Post  kvs on Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:19 pm

    Walther von Oldenburg wrote:Sequels aren't bad because of PC. They are simply repetitive. Disney decided to make a new trilogy that is like the old one, we have Darth Vader v2.0, Death Star v2.0, (sort of ) Palpatine v2.0, Tatooine v2.0 and a sort of Luke-Leia crossover. All of that is bad as the prequels already had a lot of references to OT.

    The new movies don't have to be a rehash of the old ones in order to be interesing. They can be a new formula and don't even have to be about Skywalkers.

    A plot cannot be interesting if the primary concern of the director and his bosses is pushing PC narratives. The lack of originality is predicated
    on having priorities other than the story to make these movies. I watched them too and they were superficial pap. But that is what almost
    everything out of Hollywood is today and for decades already. But even Hollywood can produce something that holds some interest. CGI
    effects and brainless action coupled with drivel-logue are stale and boring.

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 21, 2020 1:49 pm

    The first time I saw the prequels at the movies I was disappointed, but later seeing them on TV I think my expectations were lower and I actually enjoyed them... they are not my go to movies when I am bored or depressed, but I would sit and watch them if they were on.

    Rogue One has the same problem because from the getgo you know exactly what is going to happen... what you don't know is exactly how.

    They are tied to simplicity because their target audience is 13 year old kids so they can't make it too dark or scary which means it can't be deep or complicated... I thought the last prequel really suffered because you really didn't see the transition from a talented and basically good person turn into a monster... a nasty sadistic evil monster. Honestly... I didn't care if he killed a whole lot of Sand People, and the Younglings weren't important or developed enough for me to care about much either.

    In the later movies the son of Solo was better with his helmet on... he just looked like a little boy when he took it off... and he wasn't nasty and petty and mean to others like he should have been too... they needed someone who was ruthless... he is supposed to have killed his own father in cold blood...

    I remember reading a book about the Cantina on Tatooine... it was about a 250-350 page book that was filled with separate short stories all based in the cantina on Tatooine... and it just took all the different characters seen in that sequence in the original Star Wars movie and over the space of 5-16 pages or so told their story... it was really well written and I really enjoyed it... it was really all I had because Lucas didn't seem interested in making new movies about Star Wars...

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