UN Arms Embargo: Potentially Expiring October 2020

interesting points https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/iransource/moscow-is-not-buying-pompeos-iran-snapback-sanctions-logic/ particularly about how Russia may choose to use Iran as a carrot/stick with KSA over the oil line and future military sales and other ME countries for future military sales. Brushes off the possible israeli pressure a bit.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov comments: https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/448683/Lavrov-calls-U-S-attempts-to-impose-arms-embargo-on-Iran-ridiculous
and here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/russia-rejects-us-drive-for-permanent-iran-arms-embargo/2020/06/08/c41c83f2-a9bd-11ea-a43b-be9f6494a87d_story.html

Will be interesting to see what China will do? Perhaps not much? https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/iransource/will-china-become-a-major-arms-supplier-to-iran/

no idea how reliable i-24 news is: https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/americas/1591687415-republicans-to-unveil-massive-sanctions-package-targeting-iran-russia-china-report

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/06/23/trump-iran-nuclear-united-nations-european-allies-russia-china-sanctions/

The administration of U.S. President Donald Trump introduced a long-awaited U.N. Security Council (UNSC) draft resolution extending an arms embargo on Iran that is due to expire in October, setting the stage for a great-power clash and likely veto in the U.N.’s principal security body, according to a copy of the draft obtained by Foreign Policy.

The U.S. draft resolution would oblige nations, including the United States, to take active measures to prevent Iran from supplying, selling, or transferring arms to other countries, unless the Security Council committee overseeing U.N. sanctions approves such transfers. The measure would also require all U.N. member states to inspect cargo transiting through their territory to check for illicit arms imports or exports from Iran, and grant them authority to seize and destroy such weapons.

It would also impose an asset freeze and travel ban on individuals responsible for violating the arms embargo, and authorize states to “seize, inspect, freeze (impound), confiscate, and dispose of any vessel in their ports.” In an effort to ratchet up pressure on Iran, the resolution would request that U.N. Secretary General António Guterres report any attacks by armed groups that threaten regional stability or interference in the freedom of navigation in the region. The resolution would also establish a special council committee to monitor compliance with the sanctions and appoint a panel of eight experts to investigate and compile information on potential violations of the embargo.

If passed, the resolution would fall under Chapter VII of the U.N. charter, making it legally binding and enforceable. But the U.S. measure, according to several U.N. Security Council diplomats, stands little chance of being adopted by the 15-nation council. One council diplomat said that the U.S. initiative might not even receive the minimum threshold of nine votes it needs in the council that would force a veto from one of the permanent Security Council members. “This is not something that they are trying to get through the council,” said the diplomat.

Some council diplomats and other nonproliferation experts see the U.S. move as a way to score political points at home, not to do anything about Iran’s destabilizing activities in the region.

“The skeptic in me says that the objective of this exercise is to go through the arms embargo resolution, and when it fails, to use that as an excuse to get a snapback of the embargo, and if and when that fails too, to use as a political talking point in the election campaign,” said Mark Fitzpatrick, a former State Department nonproliferation official now at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. Since China and Russia are almost certain to ignore any U.N. arms embargo forced by U.S. maneuvers, the practical impact on Iran’s ability to cause mischief will be minimal, he said.

“It’s not actually about stopping any arms from China and Russia, it’s about winning a political argument,” he said.

The draft also condemns a string of alleged armed attacks by Iran against the United States, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia, including the September 2019 drone and missile attack against two Saudi oil installations and a Dec. 27 strike allegedly by an Iranian-backed militia against an Iraqi military base in Kirkuk province, Iraq, which resulted in the death of a U.S. citizen and injured several U.S. and Iraqi personnel.

The 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) envisioned the expiration of a sweeping U.N. arms embargo on Iran after five years if Tehran complied with its obligation to scale back its nuclear activities and subject its program to expanded international monitoring by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Iran had largely complied with its obligations until Trump withdrew the United States from the agreement in May 2018 and reintroduced a series of U.S. sanctions against the country.

Since then, Tehran has violated key tenets of the JCPOA, including enriching uranium to purity levels higher than what is allowed in the deal and increasing the stockpiles of enriched uranium, according to assessments from the International Atomic Energy Agency.

China and Russia, which wield veto power over Security Council decisions, have signaled their unwillingness to approve the resolution. Other signatories of the Iran deal—Britain, France, and Germany—have all supported retaining arms embargoes on Iran, but they also came out against the Trump administration’s threat to reimpose sanctions, highlighting the sharp disagreements between Washington and its closest European allies over Iran.

EU foreign affairs chief Josep Borrell, who slammed U.S. pretensions to still have a voice in the fate of the Iran deal, speaks to reporters in Brussels on June 9.
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Washington is seeking to extend a U.N. arms embargo that would eliminate any hope of revival.

An International Atomic Energy Agency inspector visits the Natanz enrichment facility, south of Tehran, on Jan. 20, 2014.
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US Special Representative for Iran, Brian Hook, looks on during a briefing at the US Department of State in Washington, DC on January 17.
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The State Department’s top official for Iran thinks Russia and Syria see more benefits to a potential Iranian drawdown.

“We firmly believe that any unilateral attempt to trigger UN sanctions snapback would have serious adverse consequences in the UNSC,” the foreign ministers of Britain, France, and Germany said in a statement on June 19. “We would not support such a decision which would be incompatible with our current efforts to preserve the JCPoA.”

The foreign ministers also cautioned that lifting the U.N. conventional arms embargo “would have major implications for regional security and stability” but stressed that even without a U.N. arms embargo, the European Union has its own ban on sending conventional weapons and missile technology to Iran through 2023. Senior U.S. officials have said that Russia and China would be poised to sell conventional arms to Iran if the U.N. embargo expires.

A State Department spokesperson told Foreign Policy that “failing to extend the arms embargo will risk even greater violence in the Middle East.”

The spokesperson added that the U.S. is “hopeful” that the draft resolution will be supported by the Security Council, stating that China and Russia have upheld similar restrictions in the past. “Given that Iran’s activity continues to pose a threat to international peace and security, we do not see any reason why [the] Security Council consensus on this issue should have changed,” the spokesperson said.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo argued on Twitter Tuesday that if the arms embargo expires, Iran would be able to purchase Russian and Chinese jets, allowing Tehran to potentially threaten Europe and Asia, though Pompeo used one-way flight ranges for those aircraft to exaggerate their potential threat.

The Trump administration’s push to reimpose sanctions opened a unique legal debate over the United States’ current standing with the JCPOA. The Trump administration has argued that it is still legally a party to the deal the president disavowed, allowing it to trigger the snapback of sanctions. This argument has angered top diplomats from other countries that were signatories to the deal, who said the United States couldn’t have it both ways.

Brian Hook, the Trump administration’s top Iran envoy, said in an interview with Foreign Policy last month that the president remains open to “sitting down” with Tehran for talks on a new deal. He said that the United States would still maintain its expanding sanctions regime on Iran in the meantime.

“We’re in no hurry. We have a good policy in place. The regime needs to decide when it wants to come to the table,” he said.

Foreign Policy reporters Keith Johnson and Jack Detsch contributed to this report.

Update, June 23, 2020: This story was updated to include comments from a State Department spokesperson.

Some council diplomats and other nonproliferation experts see the U.S. move as a way to score political points at home, not to do anything about Iran’s destabilizing activities in the region.

Hilarious... Irans destabilising activities in the region?

Supporting the Syrians against terrorists openly supported by HATO countries Turkey, the US and also non HATO Israel, and helping Yemeni freedom fighters fight off mercenaries and cutthroats sent by Saudi Arabia... a country that supports terrorism through out the region and around the world... 119 was Saudi and Pakistani terrorists on the orders of Osama Bin Ladin... a Saudi national the US made rich supporting terrorists in Afghanistan during the 80s and beyond...

“The skeptic in me says that the objective of this exercise is to go through the arms embargo resolution, and when it fails, to use that as an excuse to get a snapback of the embargo, and if and when that fails too, to use as a political talking point in the election campaign,” said Mark Fitzpatrick, a former State Department nonproliferation official now at the International Institute for Strategic Studies. Since China and Russia are almost certain to ignore any U.N. arms embargo forced by U.S. maneuvers, the practical impact on Iran’s ability to cause mischief will be minimal, he said.

More propaganda... China and Russia follow UN rules even when it doesn't suit their interests... it is the US and Israel that does as it pleases... and the practical impact on Iran creating stability and order in Syria and Yemen has nothing to do with the US... we know they prefer chaos and instability... they repeatedly try to create both in countries that stand up to them... Iran, Syria, North Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Russia, China...

“It’s not actually about stopping any arms from China and Russia, it’s about winning a political argument,” he said.

It is about Trump being a show pony for his masters in Israel... he wants to economically destroy Iran, but big bad China and Russia are stopping them...

The draft also condemns a string of alleged armed attacks by Iran against the United States, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia, including the September 2019 drone and missile attack against two Saudi oil installations and a Dec. 27 strike allegedly by an Iranian-backed militia against an Iraqi military base in Kirkuk province, Iraq, which resulted in the death of a U.S. citizen and injured several U.S. and Iraqi personnel.

Any mention of staged murders of Iranian generals and economic genocide?

The 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) envisioned the expiration of a sweeping U.N. arms embargo on Iran after five years if Tehran complied with its obligation to scale back its nuclear activities and subject its program to expanded international monitoring by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Iran had largely complied with its obligations until Trump withdrew the United States from the agreement in May 2018 and reintroduced a series of U.S. sanctions against the country.

Iran has fully complied. The European signatories have not and neither has the US.

Since then, Tehran has violated key tenets of the JCPOA, including enriching uranium to purity levels higher than what is allowed in the deal and increasing the stockpiles of enriched uranium, according to assessments from the International Atomic Energy Agency.

As a direct response to the existing european signatories not complying with their side of the bargain. They withdrew from promised investment projects in fear of US sanctions. In direct response Iran is reducing its commitments to the deal as is allowed as part of the deal in protest if the other side does not meet its commitments.

China and Russia, which wield veto power over Security Council decisions, have signaled their unwillingness to approve the resolution.

Of course they have because the resolution is ridiculous.

Other signatories of the Iran deal—Britain, France, and Germany—have all supported retaining arms embargoes on Iran, but they also came out against the Trump administration’s threat to reimpose sanctions, highlighting the sharp disagreements between Washington and its closest European allies over Iran.

So even Americas poodles don't approve... which just shows what I mean by ridiculous...

Despite U.S. Sanctions, Iran Expands Its Nuclear Stockpile
Two years after Trump withdrew from the Iran nuclear deal, Tehran has cut in half the time it would need to produce enough weapons-grade fuel for a nuclear bomb.

Rubbish. It should read... Because of US sanctions, Iran responds by expanding its civilian nuclear electricity power generation capacity...

The State Department’s top official for Iran thinks Russia and Syria see more benefits to a potential Iranian drawdown.

Translation... we are making bribe offers and hope they will sway Russia... but US promises are useless and cannot be trusted... the Russians know this...

“We firmly believe that any unilateral attempt to trigger UN sanctions snapback would have serious adverse consequences in the UNSC,” the foreign ministers of Britain, France, and Germany said in a statement on June 19. “We would not support such a decision which would be incompatible with our current efforts to preserve the JCPoA.”

So even Americas bitches think it is a bad idea and don't support it... duh...

Senior U.S. officials have said that Russia and China would be poised to sell conventional arms to Iran if the U.N. embargo expires.

And why shouldn't they? The US has been actively bullying Russia by imposing economic and military sanctions on countries that buy their weapons like Turkey and India etc etc... why on earth would they listen to you.... dick.

A State Department spokesperson told Foreign Policy that “failing to extend the arms embargo will risk even greater violence in the Middle East.”

You mean even more than there currently is with your occupation forces in Iraq and Afghanistan and your illegal presence in Syria?

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo argued on Twitter Tuesday that if the arms embargo expires, Iran would be able to purchase Russian and Chinese jets, allowing Tehran to potentially threaten Europe and Asia, though Pompeo used one-way flight ranges for those aircraft to exaggerate their potential threat.

Why not... Europe has been threatening the Middle East for a thousand years... and the rest of the world too... why should they not be allowed to do the same in return?

The Trump administration’s push to reimpose sanctions opened a unique legal debate over the United States’ current standing with the JCPOA. The Trump administration has argued that it is still legally a party to the deal the president disavowed, allowing it to trigger the snapback of sanctions. This argument has angered top diplomats from other countries that were signatories to the deal, who said the United States couldn’t have it both ways.

If they are still a party to the agreement then all the other parties should be putting economic embargoes on them to they return to complying with the agreement...

Brian Hook, the Trump administration’s top Iran envoy, said in an interview with Foreign Policy last month that the president remains open to “sitting down” with Tehran for talks on a new deal. He said that the United States would still maintain its expanding sanctions regime on Iran in the meantime.

Awesome idea... absolutely brilliant... make sure Pompeo is there too because we want the Iranian murder drones to kill him too...

“We’re in no hurry. We have a good policy in place. The regime needs to decide when it wants to come to the table,” he said.

They will just send a big heavy parcel with fuck you written on it and a very large bomb inside...

Iranian fighter jets added to Iranian missile threat

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo decided to contract an advertising agent for Rosoboronexport JSC and on his Twitter account published an awesome info-graphic that shows the radii of combat use of Russian-made Su-30SM fighters and Chinese-made J-10, which, according to the US Department of State, Iran after the imminent lifting of the UN embargo in October.



“With these deadly planes, Europe and Asia could be in the cross-hairs of Iran. The United States will never allow this,” said Pompeo (Rosoboronexport is directly quoted as the data source).

On the bmpd side, we recall that the prohibitions on the supply to Iran (as well as the purchase from Iran) of arms and military equipment falling under the UN Register of Conventional Arms were established by UN Security Council Resolutions No. 1747 (2007) and No. 1929 (2010) .

The UN Security Council Resolution No. 2231 adopted on July 20, which enshrines the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) in the international legal field, abolished all international sanctions measures against Iran introduced by the UN Security Council since 2006. However, this Resolution retained the prohibitions on the supply of weapons and military equipment to Iran that fall under the UN Register of Conventional Arms (practically repeating Resolution No. 1929) for a period of five years and missile weapons and missile technology for a period of eight years. The ban on the supply of arms and military equipment to Iran, which is subject to the UN Register of Conventional Arms, expires on October 18, 2020.

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4069672.html

George1 wrote:

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo decided to contract an advertising agent for Rosoboronexport JSC and on his Twitter account published an awesome info-graphic that shows the radii of combat use of Russian-made Su-30SM fighters and Chinese-made J-10, which, according to the US Department of State, Iran after the imminent lifting of the UN arms embargo in October.



“With these deadly planes, Europe and Asia could be in the cross-hairs of Iran. The United States will never allow this,” said Pompeo (Rosoboronexport is directly quoted as the data source).

He was them mocked on social media as the diagram showed the one way range, for the suicide aircraft

He forgot the range of cruise missiles that the fighters can carry. And he mix combat range with ferry range. We can recognize here the work of the CIA...

J-10 is an israeli plane. I doubt they will take it. Mig-35 is a better choice as they already operate the mig29 and have well trained pilots for it and coukd use them as soon as they get them in case US start a war over the sell of the planes. It is also easier to connect them to the AD made by Russia that they have.

Isos wrote:He forgot the range of cruise missiles that the fighters can carry. And he mix combat range with ferry range. We can recognize here the work of the CIA...

J-10 is an israeli plane. I doubt they will take it. Mig-35 is a better choice as they already operate the mig29 and have well trained pilots for it and coukd use them as soon as they get them in case US start a war over the sell of the planes. It is also easier to connect them to the AD made by Russia that they have.

A couple of dozen Mig-35, three to four of dozen SU-30s or 35s and a handful of S-400 batteries should help secure their airspace. They have enough modern short to mid aa systems haven’t they??

crod wrote:

Isos wrote:He forgot the range of cruise missiles that the fighters can carry. And he mix combat range with ferry range. We can recognize here the work of the CIA...

J-10 is an israeli plane. I doubt they will take it. Mig-35 is a better choice as they already operate the mig29 and have well trained pilots for it and coukd use them as soon as they get them in case US start a war over the sell of the planes. It is also easier to connect them to the AD made by Russia that they have.

A couple of dozen Mig-35, three to four of dozen SU-30s or 35s and a handful of S-400 batteries should help secure their airspace. They have enough modern short to mid aa systems haven’t they??

i imagine so, but I don't know their quality. I know that they have s300 and their Iranian knockoffs...

Probabily some bukm2 or m3 would be useful and also some pantsir. As for as the planes I agree, a mix of mig29M/ M2 to be upgraded later to mig35 standard (depending on how much they want to spend) and some su 30SM.

How about 36 Tu-22M3s with four Kinzhals each in a maritime patrol model with inflight refuelling fully reinstalled...

GarryB wrote:How about 36 Tu-22M3s with four Kinzhals each in a maritime patrol model with inflight refuelling fully reinstalled...  

Well, even Russia does not have so many tu22M3 to be upgraded to the latest standard that they could think about selling half of them to Iran... if they restarted production, maybe... also India and China could be interested....

And in that case possibly also the Russian air force and rhe navy could use the opportunity and order more of them..
Of course I do not believe that this is very likely....

For that matter they could sell the pak da and reduce its production costs.

They are in the process of introducing the replacement for the Tu22M3... by 2035 they probably wont have any left... they would likely transfer them back to the navy as they got PAK DAs in numbers and then replace them in naval use too with more PAK DAs...

They have plenty of Tu-22M3s... they are only going to upgrade about 60 to Tu-22M3M standard which would leave plenty for sale...

To fire Kinzhal they don't need to be upgraded to Tu-22M3M standard... AFAIK the MiG-31s they used to carry the Kinzhal weren't even BM upgraded models... their other features were not needed for the job of climbing and flying fast and launching a missile and then flying back home.

For the Backfires a Gefest & T bombing system would be useful for cheap conventional bombing of Kurds or other nasties and the capacity to carry four Kinzhals externally would be their primary role to defend Iran from the juice and their puppets.

They will probably develop an MPA based on the PAK DA design though the requirements for stealth would be lowered to reduce purchase and operating costs I suspect.

With talk of new radar types with surface mounted antenna arrays a flying wing would be an interesting choice for a 360 degree radar aircraft of significant size and flight endurance...

This is the second half of an article on the Iran/China 25 year deal. Not only are there significant strategic joint defence moves detailed but there appears to be some interesting stuff in it as to what Iran may be planning to buy from Russia in it.

This is the text, not in italics for ease of reading



Now, though, another element that will change the entire balance of geopolitical power in the Middle East has been added to the deal. “Last week, the Supreme Leader [Ali Khamenei] agreed to the extension of the existing deal to include new military elements that were proposed by the same senior figures in the IRGC [Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps] and the intelligence services that proposed the original deal, and this will involve complete aerial and naval military co-operation between Iran and China, with Russia also taking a key role,” one of the Iran sources told OilPrice.com last week. “There is a meeting scheduled in the second week of August between the same Iranian group, and their Chinese and Russian counterparts, that will agree the remaining details but, provided that goes as planned, then as of 9 November, Sino-Russian bombers, fighters, and transport planes will have unrestricted access to Iranian air bases,” he said.
Related: Saudi Arabia Hikes Oil Prices For The Third Consecutive Month

“This process will begin with purpose-built dual-use facilities next to the existing airports at Hamedan, Bandar Abbas, Chabhar, and Abadan,” he said. OilPrice.com understands from the Iranian sources that the bombers to be deployed will be China-modified versions of the long-range Russian Tupolev Tu-22M3s, with a manufacturing specification range of 6,800 kilometres (2,410 km with a typical weapons load), and the fighters will be the all-weather supersonic medium-range fighter bomber/strike Sukhoi Su-34, plus the newer single-seat stealth attack Sukhoi-57. It is apposite to note that in August 2016, Russia used the Hamedan airbase to launch attacks on targets in Syria using both Tupolev-22M3 long-range bombers and Sukhoi-34 strike fighters. At the same time, Chinese and Russian military vessels will be able to use newly-created dual-use facilities at Iran’s key ports at Chabahar, Bandar-e-Bushehr, and Bandar Abbas, constructed by Chinese companies.

These deployments will be accompanied by the roll-out of Chinese and Russian electronic warfare (EW) capabilities, according to the Iran sources. This would encompass each of the three key EW areas - electronic support (including early warning of enemy weapons use) plus electronic attack (including jamming systems) plus electronic protection (including of enemy jamming). Based originally around neutralising NATO’s C4ISR (Command, Control, Communications, Computers, Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance) systems, part of the new roll-out of software and hardware from China and Russia in Iran, according to the Iran sources, would be the Russian S-400 anti-missile air defence system: “To counter U.S. and/or Israeli attacks.” The Krasukha-2 and -4 systems are also likely to feature in the overall EW architecture, as they proved their effectiveness in Syria in countering the radars of attack, reconnaissance and unmanned aircraft. The Krasukha-2 can jam Airborne Warning And Control Systems (AWACS) at up to 250 km, and other airborne radars such as guided missiles, whilst the Krasukha-4 is a multi-functional jamming system that not only counters AWACS but also ground-based radars, with both being highly mobile.

It is again apposite to note here that an entire EW company (encompassing the three core elements of EW) can consist of as little as 100 men and, according to the Iran sources, part of the new military co-operation includes an exchange of personnel between Iran and China and Russia, with up to 110 senior Iranian IRGC men going for training every year in Beijing and Moscow and 110 Chinese and Russians going to Tehran for their training. It is also apposite to note that Iran’s EW system can easily be tied in to Russia’s Southern Joint Strategic Command 19th EW Brigade (Rassvet) near Rostov-on-Don, which links into the corollary Chinese systems. “One of the Russian air jamming systems is going to be based in Chabahar and will capable of completely disabling the UAE’s and Saudi Arabia’s air defences, to the extent that they would only have around two minutes of warning for a missile or drone attack from Iran,” one of the Iran sources told OilPrice.com last week.

An indication of what Iran hopes to receive in return its co-operation with China, and Russia, came last week when Zhang Jun, China’s permanent United Nations (U.N.) representative, in a statement to the Security Council, told the U.S.: “To stop its illegal unilateral sanctions on Iran... The root cause of the current crisis is the U.S.’s withdrawal from the Iran nuclear deal in May 2018 and the re-imposition of unilateral sanctions against Iran.” He also opposed the U.S.’s push for the extension of the U.N. arms embargo on Iran, which expires in October. “This has again undermined the joint efforts to preserve the JCPOA [Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action],” Zhang said, and added: “The [JCPOA] agreement was endorsed by the U.N. Security Council [UNSC] and is legally binding.”

He concluded: “We urge the U.S. to stop its illegal unilateral sanctions and long-arm jurisdiction, and return to the right track of observing the JCPOA and Resolution 2231 [of the UNSC].” Securing China’s support was a key reason for the original secret part of the deal agreed last year, along with that of Russia, as the two countries have two-fifths of the total Permanent Member votes on the UNSC, with the others being the U.S., the U.K., and France. Aside from this support and the US$400 billion+ of investments pledged by China, the other reason that Iran has agreed to such Chinese (and Russian) influence in its country going forward is that China has guaranteed that it will continue to take all of the oil, gas, and petchems that Iran requires.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/China-Inks-Military-Deal-With-Iran-Under-Secretive-25-Year-Plan.html

China modified tu-22M3 doesn't exist.

Su-57E will be available only after Russia gets its 72 fighters so maybe in 2027.

S-400 is fucking expensive.

Su-34 would be a bad choice since they need a fighter in big numbers. Su-35 best choice or maybe the su-30SM1 with irbis and two seat because Iran like two seat fighters.

In terms of EW they already have plenty of russian stuff.

In terms of money all that would hit the 50 billion $ easily. It's not only the hardware but also everything around that they would need to buy (ground support, training...).

Iran doesn't allow foreign military presence inside Iranian bases. Not going to change. Even the quick use of its base by russian bombers was badly seen wheb russian media told about that.

China needs Iran as an oil supplier but not Russia. Russians don't need a powerfull Iran. Specially that now gulf countries are taking their distances with US.

That paper is piece of trash.

Isos wrote:

That paper is piece of trash.

China modified tu-22M3 doesn't exist.

Agreed... they don't know what they are talking about...

Su-57E will be available only after Russia gets its 72 fighters so maybe in 2027.

S-400 is fucking expensive.

Su-34 would be a bad choice since they need a fighter in big numbers. Su-35 best choice or maybe the su-30SM1 with irbis and two seat because Iran like two seat fighters.

I think they are talking about a basing agreement for Russian aircraft and Chinese aircraft... rather than suggesting what Iran might buy...

I fully agree that S-400 is probably too expensive and that licence production of Pantsir and some more S-300 batteries and perhaps production rights for the missiles would be valuable for them, but that they need to produce both in numbers together with the domestic systems they already produce...

In terms of aircraft I think Su-30 and MiG-29M2s would offer the best value for money... some air launched supersonic Clubs would be interesting (the fly low and subsonic till close and then rocket final stage at mach 2.9 to impact anti ship missile) would scare the Americans quite a bit and make them sit further off shore...

BTW mentioning Backfires... either they are trying to suggest Irans evil intentions of attacking Israel... the usual US bullshit of projecting what they would do in their shoes rather than considering reality, or they are taking the piss like I did when I suggested Iran gets backfires and Kinzhal missiles...

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1297694991855362048


Rob Lee
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Video of Iranian Defense Minister Amir Khatami inspecting the Pantsir-S1 air defense system and Ka-226T helicopter. The Iranian delegation was reportedly most interested in the Pantsir-S1 and S-400 air defense systems. 5/

Fingers crossed the Russians agree to sell them such systems.

crod wrote:Fingers crossed the Russians agree to sell them such systems.

they cannot sell yet to Iran this helicopter (ka-226) as it has a french engine (and the americans will tell the Frenchs not to deliver the engines for iran)
It is possible after 2024, after the Russian VK-650 will have finished testing and certification...

In the meanwhile Iran could get mil mi24/35, mi28, mi8/17 or ka52, but not kazan ansat, ka226 or ka62...

Bugger the heli, air def systems is what the country needs most. Pantsirs and 400 and lots of them.

China aligning with Iran is a rather significant development. Recall that China was allied with Pakistan during the 1980s. This
was deliberate to undermine the USSR and facilitated the west's agenda in the region.

Things were not supposed to be this bad for the west now. We should all have been "happy" proles in a new world order arising
some time around 2000. End of history and all that Jazz.

Priority would be fighter jets. Iranians have relatively good repair and overhaul. They also make their own Radars and AA weapons. If they can keep 50 year old jets in flying and fighting order. Then I am sure that they can upgrade and maintain even good second hand Russian jets. Those not needing major overhauls, with a few flying hours left in them. And they have to modify the electrics and communication anyways. So I agree that Iran should try to get the maximum bang for it's buck. What is the greatest number of jets ( Mig 29 and higher, new or second hand), that it could get, with the same amount of money ? What type of planes? Any ideas?

I would think MiG-29M2 and Su-30 would be Irans best choice because it would probably be worth while to produce them locally.

They are not the most expensive so you can make them in the numbers you need, but in terms of potential anything you could put in a MiG-35 will fit in a MIG-29M2 because they use the same airframe, and anything you could put in an Su-35 could go in an Su-30.

Put slightly better radars in both and they could probably effectively use the RVV-BD long range AAM as well... a nice replacement for the Phoenix...

they cannot sell yet to Iran this helicopter (ka-226) as it has a french engine (and the americans will tell the Frenchs not to deliver the engines for iran)
It is possible after 2024, after the Russian VK-650 will have finished testing and certification...

Part of the contract could include Iranian production of the VK-800V, and for military use they don't need to worry about emission or noise levels...

India could buy an extra thousand engines and when they find they don't need them they could sell them to Russia who could then sell them to Iran...

Americans basically just told the French to support their demands for sanctions on Iran and France said no... why would they not sell helicopter engines to Iran?

US handed another humiliating defeat at the UN.

Iran will buy most of its military equipment from China with its $ 400 billion deal.

For Russia ...

- another 30 TorM1 / 2 for the outer and critical area
- 60 to 100 PanzirM1 / 2 for airfields and missiles armament areas, energy and research facilities
= 1.8 to 2 billion US dollars

- 32 further S-300PMU-2 (conversion of further PM2 from Russia)
= 1 to 1.5 billion US dollars

- 48 Su30SM2 as F-14 addition and guide for probably 200 FC-1 BIII (from China with the new RD-93MA via Russia which will replace all F-5, J-7 and Mirage)
= 2.1 billion US dollars

- 36 to 48 Mig-29M2 to add the existing Mig-29 (including their upgrade to M2). Maybe even more if the F-4 is to be replaced from 2028.
= 1.5 billion to 2 billion US dollars

That would be around 400 combat aircraft in 2032.
- 48 F-14A
- 48 Su-30SM2
- 72 to 100 Mig-29M2
- 200 FC-1 BIII

A realistic order of magnitude for Iran.

Iran will hardly have any money for much more, such as more kilos of 877 or Buyan-M2.