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    US forces in Iraq

    JohninMK
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Mar 06, 2021 1:33 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Things are a lot more complicated than that, far as I know, no Iraq loyalist forces are doing it.

    But hey if they wanna test us, we will send em them to meet their god.

    I suspect that those doing it would regard themselves as Iraqi Patriots.

    The reply in your second sentence conforms exactly to my comment and was entirely predictable. A fundamental reason why the love for the US, which was there in the populations of most of the World, has been carelessly cast away by brutal action.

    I fear for the people of Iraq and surrounding areas when the US inevitably lashes out.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:03 pm

    Freedom fighters, call em what you wish.

    Hardly some people want us their others don't, going by the locals btw. Whenever a foreign force enters a land there are always two sides to the coin.

    Not to mention there have always been attacks on us by local groups this is nothing new.

    Not really Join your just taking my words and applying them in ways you think. I am not for gunning down people who aren't armed and I've always opposed actions that would result in needless bloodshed but if you want to kill us and are acting on it prepare to be killed its that simple.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Mar 07, 2021 5:23 am

    Forget it John... there is no sense talking reason to some... in his eyes an American using a gun to defend his house and family from a home invader is a patriot and a fine upstanding 'merican... but an Iraqi that uses a gun to defend his country from foreign occupying forces is a terrorist and needs to be murdered in the street...

    Foreigners just have to accept American dominance and violence and not resist... just drink that cool aide and play loud music and video games and watch movies where america wins and eventually you will understand.

    but if you want to kill us and are acting on it prepare to be killed its that simple.

    It is pretty damn clear from the incident above where they destroyed your convoy but didn't kill any of the drivers that they want you out but are not killers.

    Americans on the other hand...

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    Post  mavaff Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:58 am

    Related to the very recent airstrikes...it seems they can't intercept few cheap drones...

    https://archive.is/SsTwO

    The drones, which are cheap and easy to buy, are often difficult to detect and problematic to defeat. McKenzie said the U.S. must find more ways to counter their use by America’s enemies in the Middle East and elsewhere.
    “We’re working very hard to find technical fixes that would allow us to be more effective against drones,” McKenzie said. Efforts are underway, he said, to look for ways to cut command and control links between a drone and its operator, improve radar sensors to quickly identify the threat as it approaches, and find effective electronic and kinetic ways to bring them down. He added that fencing and high netting can also be used as protective measures.

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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:09 am

    Let me think for a moment ...
    Has he just said, that Mighty Murican Army does not have the technical assets to deal with $50 drones you can buy on Aliexpress in hundreds?
    That they are working on that at the moment only? scratch
    Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
    More Hollywood is here to the rescue!
    Captain Murica will deal with all the terrorists on the ground, eating a burger with the other hand.
    Is John Wayne still dead? How unfortunate dunno Laughing Laughing

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    Post  nomadski Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:54 pm

    @ seigsoloyov

    "...... if you want to kill us and are acting on it prepare to be killed its that simple......"

    Agree with you on this. In normal circumstances, where both sides are equally armed with sharpened sticks or colt peacemakers, then it works. But if one side is weaker then it does not work to keep the peace. We have one side with proper Airforce and Navy and even Nukes, the other side....? So one side escalates and kills and the other makes noise with fireworks and causes headaches or mild concussion.

    @ JohninMK

    "... I fear for the people of Iraq and surrounding areas when the US inevitably lashes out....."

    The Americans being in stronger position, are more likely to lash out. But why have they not done so already? The answer perhaps is that it will have military and political consequences for them. One political consequence may be that the present  leadership  may be changed, replaced with one that will not limit range  of missiles  or give Fatwa against Nukes and a government that no longer misuses religion to keep a Liberal minority in power. But one that is truly democratic.

    A similar situation will arrive in Saudi and PG States, when Iranian forces kick out the American Bees, out of the Arabic Hives. No permanent home for them, as their dreams go. Nor a permanent abode for the sellout Royals and servant class in Arabia.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:19 pm

    The Americans being in stronger position, are more likely to lash out. But why have they not done so already?

    Have you been asleep... they lash out all the time... including tricking Iranian generals to come for peace talks in Iraq and then ambushing the convoy murdering the Iranians and Iraqis in that convoy on their peace mission.

    Multiple other US attacks in the area have been attributed to retribution for alleged attacks on US personnel in the region.

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    Post  nomadski Wed Jun 30, 2021 3:05 pm

    I meant a general offensive, like the one in Iraq. Not the skirmishes or sabotage or assassinations. The PMU wants them out, as does Iraq parliament. Human casualties may provide a reason to make them stay and not leave. The way out for a retreat may be closed. So like Afghanistan , the Taliban stopped attacks, to allow them to leave. But what to do with these strikes?  The PMU said, they will target aircraft. But with what AD? Also pilot gets killed, a big escalation. So better target aircraft on runway. Irrespective of location, with frag warhead. Disable aircraft with cheap drone. Better some reply, than no reply at all. Will it be enough to make them leave. I doubt it. Will it be enough to make them stop firing? I doubt it. At least not in the short to medium term. Why will they not kill any Russians?  Ah, they have Nukes and we have a Fatwa.

    Yet the leadership  wants to stick to JCPOA. Test it out ! Have the lessons not been learnt  and tested ? Iranians and allies need ICBM Nukes to survive. Yet some  think they need  the goodwill of the Americans to survive ( stay in power).
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    Post  GarryB Fri Jul 02, 2021 6:07 am

    The situation on drones is very amusing... for the last few decades the Soviets and then Russians have been working on the problem of dealing with small low flying stealth targets in the form of cruise missiles... then stealth bombers and stealth fighters got added to the mix and then with 2008 and conflicts since Russia has been faced with dealing with drones as well, which is a different problem, because although they are tiny and difficult to detect and track they are also very cheap and simple and so you don't want to be shooing at them with S-300s or BUK missiles.

    Experience in Syria has improved their systems further and they are developing countermeasures in a variety of areas including jamming and air burst rounds for 30mm cannon for most of their armoured vehicles, and of course improved models of TOR and Pantsir.

    It seems the west has never considered that any enemy might use these things against them and need to start spending some serious money in that regard.

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