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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:48 pm


    Nuclear tank? Are they serious?  lol1

    Unless they are taking about this thing, this article makes zero sense:
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 14, 2017 5:33 am

    wow... a tungsten kinetic penetrator that moves at three times the speed of sound... amazing... almost like a 1960s level APFSDS tungsten round from a 105mm gun...

    A modern tungsten penetrator from a 125mm gun moves at 1.8km/s, which equates to about mach 6....
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    Post  max steel on Tue Apr 25, 2017 4:04 pm

    US Army Exploring ‘Devastating’ New Weapon for Use In War with Russia


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    Were the United States to go to war with Russia, both sides could draw on deadly weapons that the world has never seen on a battlefield. On the Russian side, there are new and smaller tactical nuclear weapons. To counter them, the U.S. Army is taking another look at a “devastating” weapon, one first tested by the Air Force and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in 2013, the Kinetic Energy Projectile, or KEP, a tungsten-based charge moving at three times the speed of sound that can destroy anything in its path.

    “Think of it as a big shotgun shell,” Maj. Gen. William Hix, the Army’s director of strategy, plans & policy, said a few weeks ago at the Booz Allen Hamilton Direct Energy Summit. But unlike a shotgun shell, Hix said, the KEP moves at incredible speeds of “Mach 3 to Mach 6.”

    Randy Simpson, a weapons programs manager at Lawrence Livermore National Lab, explains that kinetic energy projectiles are warheads that “take advantage of high terminal speeds to deliver much more energy onto a target than the chemical explosives they carry would deliver alone.”

    Said Hix: “The way that they [Lawrence Livermore] have designed it is quite devastating. I would not want to be around it. Not much can survive it. If you are in a main battle tank, if you’re a crew member, you might survive but the vehicle will be non-mission capable, and everything below that will level of protection will be dead. That’s what I am talking about.”


    The general emphasized that the exploration was in a conceptual phase and not yet any sort of actual program: “We’re looking at ways we might — key, might — use that capability in one of our existing launch platforms as part of the weapons suite that we have.”

    He said the main contender for a launcher would be the Army Tactical Missile System, made by Lockheed Martin.

    In October 2013, an Air Force test team strapped the projectile to a “sled” on the high-speed test track at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. The goal: to get it moving faster than Mach 3 and see how it might actually work in the air. The test showed that the warhead design worked; it also provided data to help simulations and modeling.

    Why would the U.S. military, which has put untold billions of dollars into precision weapons over several decades, need such a blunt and terrifying weapon? To counter small Russian nuclear weapons.

    “The Russians … maintain their tactical nuclear stockpile in ways that we have not,” Hix said.

    Potomac Institute head Philip Karber, who helped write the Pentagon’s Russia New Generation Warfare Study , offered a bit more explanation when Defense One spoke to him in January. While the United States retains just a few of its once-large arsenal of tactical nukes, Karber estimates that Russia currently has anywhere from 2,000 to 5,000 of the weapons.

    “Look at what the Russians have been doing in low-fission, high-fusion, sub-kiloton tactical nuclear technology,” he said. “It appears that they are putting a big effort…in both miniaturising the warheads and using sub-kiloton low-yield warheads.”

    Why is that significant? By shrinking the warhead, you can shoot it out of a wider variety of guns, including, potentially, 152-millimeter tank cannons.

    They’ve announced that the follow-on tank to the Armata will have a 152-millimeter gun missile launcher. They’re talking about it having a nuclear capability. And you go, ‘You’re talking about building a nuclear tank, a tank that fires a nuke?’ Well, that’s the implication,” said Karber. Laughing

    Hix says that the use of tactical battlefield nuclear weapons, even very low-level ones, is not part of official Russian military doctrine, but it is a capability that they are increasingly eager to show off (and discuss) to intimidate neighbors and adversaries.

    “They certainly exercise the use of those weapons in many of their exercises, including the one that participated in the parking of 30,000 to 40,000 soldiers on the Ukrainian border right before [the 2014 invasion of] Crimea. That coercive intimidation is a part of their design,” he said.

    And while even Soviet generals may have shied away from using tactical nukes, Blix said, Putin’s military is “a lot more inclined philosophically to see the utility of them.”



    Is it similar to Railgun concept ? Firing projectiles ?
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:32 pm

    Sounds like a plea for money Max.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:12 am

    To counter them, the U.S. Army is taking another look at a “devastating” weapon, one first tested by the Air Force and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in 2013, the Kinetic Energy Projectile, or KEP, a tungsten-based charge moving at three times the speed of sound that can destroy anything in its path.

    Wow... how could the Russians possible compete... maybe with their 125mm tungsten APFSDS rounds that move at 1.8km/s, which is about mach 5... or almost double the mach 3 (900m/s) speed of this weapon.

    Randy Simpson, a weapons programs manager at Lawrence Livermore National Lab, explains that kinetic energy projectiles are warheads that “take advantage of high terminal speeds to deliver much more energy onto a target than the chemical explosives they carry would deliver alone.”

    Wow... so what they have developed is a kinetic penetrator... amazing... where do they come up with these ideas...

    Randy Simpson, a weapons programs manager at Lawrence Livermore National Lab, explains that kinetic energy projectiles are warheads that “take advantage of high terminal speeds to deliver much more energy onto a target than the chemical explosives they carry would deliver alone.”

    Wow... a kinetic penetrator not quite powerful enough to penetrate an enemy tank... haven't they already got those in 120mm?

    “They’ve announced that the follow-on tank to the Armata will have a 152-millimeter gun missile launcher. They’re talking about it having a nuclear capability. And you go, ‘You’re talking about building a nuclear tank, a tank that fires a nuke?’ Well, that’s the implication,” said Karber.

    What a dick. A kinetic penetrator that can't even penetrate a current tank is hardly the weapon to invest in to use against nuclear weapon armed tanks. This guy is retarded.

    And while even Soviet generals may have shied away from using tactical nukes, Blix said, Putin’s military is “a lot more inclined philosophically to see the utility of them.”

    What a shit story.

    Americans want to spend money developing a new type of kinetic weapon but are desperate for funding and will make shit up like the Russians putting tactical nuclear weapons in their tanks to fire and US forces... how the fuck will a kinetic weapon that can't even reliably penetrate a current Russian tank hope to stop a nuclear shell hitting them... give them lots of money... it will all be over faster when it is all gone.

    Is it similar to Railgun concept ? Firing projectiles ?

    It is an ineffective EM gun...

    The 115mm gun of the T-62 fires a tungsten projectile at higher speeds and is already a mature and developed system.
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    Post  JohninMK on Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:16 am

    Video at link nailing a drone and something on the back of a speedboat.

    (CNN)In the sometimes hostile waters of the Persian Gulf looms the US Navy's first -- in fact, the world's first -- active laser weapon.

    The LaWS, an acronym for Laser Weapons System, is not science fiction. It is not experimental. It is deployed on board the USS Ponce amphibious transport ship, ready to be fired at targets today and every day by Capt. Christopher Wells and his crew.

    CNN was granted exclusive access to a live-fire test of the laser.

    "It is more precise than a bullet," Wells told CNN. "It's not a niche weapon system like some other weapons that we have throughout the military where it's only good against air contacts, or it's only good against surface targets, or it's only good against, you know, ground-based targets -- in this case this is a very versatile weapon, it can be used against a variety of targets."

    LaWS begins with an advantage no other weapon ever invented comes even close to matching. It moves, by definition, at the speed of light. For comparison, that is 50,000 times the speed of an incoming ICBM. "It is throwing massive amounts of photons at an incoming object," said Lt. Cale Hughes, laser weapons system officer. "We don't worry about wind, we don't worry about range, we don't worry about anything else. We're able to engage the targets at the speed of light."

    CNN witnessed that speed and power firsthand.

    For the test, the USS Ponce crew launched the target -- a drone aircraft, a weapon in increasing use by Iran, North Korea, China, Russia and other adversaries.
    Immediately, the weapons team zeroed in. "We don't have to lead a target," Hughes explained. "We're doing that engagement at the speed of light so it really is a point and shoot -- we see it, we focus on it, and we can negate that target."

    In an instant, the drone's wing lit up, heated to a temperature of thousands of degrees, lethally damaging the aircraft and sending it hurtling down to the sea.
    The strike comes silently and invisibly. "It operates in an invisible part of the electromagnetic spectrum so you don't see the beam, it doesn't make any sound, it's completely silent and it's incredibly effective at what it does," said Hughes.

    It is remarkably precise, which the Navy says could limit collateral damage in wartime. "I can aim that at any particular spot on a target, and disable and destroy as necessary," said Wells. "It reduces collateral damage -- I no longer have to worry about rounds that may go beyond the target and potentially hurt or damage things that I don't want to hurt or damage."

    All the $40 million system needs to operate is a supply of electricity, which is derived from its own small generator, and has a crew of three. No multi-million-dollar missile, no ammunition at all. The cost per use? "It's about a dollar a shot," said Hughes.

    Today, the laser is intended primarily to disable or destroy aircraft and small boats. "It's designed with the intent of being able to counter airborne and surface-based threats," said Hughes. "And it's been able to prove itself over the last three years as being incredibly effective at that."

    However, the Navy is developing more powerful, second-generation systems which would bring more significant targets into its crosshairs: missiles.

    Those missions remain classified. However, the commander and crew are very much aware of the potential capabilities. When we asked Wells if the current LaWS could shoot down a missile, he said simply "maybe" and smiled.


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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Mon Nov 27, 2017 1:05 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    To counter them, the U.S. Army is taking another look at a “devastating” weapon, one first tested by the Air Force and Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in 2013, the Kinetic Energy Projectile, or KEP, a tungsten-based charge moving at three times the speed of sound that can destroy anything in its path.

    Wow... how could the Russians possible compete... maybe with their 125mm tungsten APFSDS rounds that move at 1.8km/s, which is about mach 5... or almost double the mach 3 (900m/s) speed of this weapon.

    Randy Simpson, a weapons programs manager at Lawrence Livermore National Lab, explains that kinetic energy projectiles are warheads that “take advantage of high terminal speeds to deliver much more energy onto a target than the chemical explosives they carry would deliver alone.”

    Wow... so what they have developed is a kinetic penetrator... amazing... where do they come up with these ideas...

    Randy Simpson, a weapons programs manager at Lawrence Livermore National Lab, explains that kinetic energy projectiles are warheads that “take advantage of high terminal speeds to deliver much more energy onto a target than the chemical explosives they carry would deliver alone.”

    Wow... a kinetic penetrator not quite powerful enough to penetrate an enemy tank... haven't they already got those in 120mm?

    “They’ve announced that the follow-on tank to the Armata will have a 152-millimeter gun missile launcher. They’re talking about it having a nuclear capability. And you go, ‘You’re talking about building a nuclear tank, a tank that fires a nuke?’ Well, that’s the implication,” said Karber.

    What a dick. A kinetic penetrator that can't even penetrate a current tank is hardly the weapon to invest in to use against nuclear weapon armed tanks. This guy is retarded.

    And while even Soviet generals may have shied away from using tactical nukes, Blix said, Putin’s military is “a lot more inclined philosophically to see the utility of them.”

    What a shit story.

    Americans want to spend money developing a new type of kinetic weapon but are desperate for funding and will make shit up like the Russians putting tactical nuclear weapons in their tanks to fire and US forces... how the fuck will a kinetic weapon that can't even reliably penetrate a current Russian tank hope to stop a nuclear shell hitting them... give them lots of money... it will all be over faster when it is all gone.

    Is it similar to Railgun concept ? Firing projectiles ?

    It is an ineffective EM gun...

    The 115mm gun of the T-62 fires a tungsten projectile at higher speeds and is already a mature and developed system.

    These propaganda stories are just ridiculous the kinetic railgun artillery was the worst. These idiots also seem to think dispertion does not apply to railguns as the effective ranges the give are just ridiculous. I remember reading the BR-2 was a bad artillery pice because the velocity was too high although that might just have been an attempt to discredit the BR-2.

    But as far as the actual use of railguns goes they are only useful as AT weapons and against ships all they will do is make tiny holes however the only thing that con carry all the capacitors and batteries is a ship so they mount it on a platform that it will not benefit ships just do not go to the shore to shoot at tanks.

    I wonder why Russia has not shown its energy weapon programs...oh wait maby because they do not like showing off useless equipment that cannot even be fielded where it would be of any use.

    Now may I ask again what these "amazing" pices of junk will be mounted on bearing in mind it will be useless against soft targets and infantry due to a lack of an explosive shell.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 07, 2019 1:58 pm

    Development of a combat laser system based on the Stryker armored vehicle

    On July 26, 2019, the U.S. Army issued $ 203 million worth of contracts to Northrop Grumman and Raytheon corporations for the competitive development of prototypes of a 50-kilowatt combat laser system based on the Stryker armored vehicle (8x8). The contractor for the development of a laser system for both participants under a separate contract with the US Army is the American company Kord Technologies.

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    Image of the proposed Northrop Grumman 50-kilowatt combat laser system based on the Stryker armored vehicle (c) Northrop Grumman


    The ordered laser systems are designed to provide military air defense (M-SHORAD), combat UAVs, as well as the destruction of artillery shells, missiles and mines. Contracts are issued under the Other Transaction Authority (OTA) accelerated and simplified financing scheme. Under the terms of the contracts, each of the corporations must supply one prototype of a combat laser system based on the Stryker during the year, and by the year of2222 make three more units for testing.

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    Tested by the U.S. Army experimental installation of a 5-kilowatt fiber-optic laser based on an armored vehicle Stryker. Fort Sill (Oklahoma), April 2017 (c) C. Todd Lopez / U.S. Army

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    Post  George1 on Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:05 pm

    HELWS mobile laser system to combat small unmanned aerial vehicles

    On August 2, 2019, the U.S. Air Force issued a $ 23.818 million contract to Raytheon Corporation for the development of a low-cost, light-weight, quick-deployable mobile ground combat laser system High Energy Laser Weapon Systems (HELWS) to combat small unmanned aerial vehicles.

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    An experimental model based on the Polaris MRZR lightweight all-terrain vehicle of a combat vehicle developed for the US Air Force by the Raytheon HELWS (High Energy Laser Weapon Systems) light fast-deployable mobile ground-based combat laser system for combating small unmanned aerial vehicles (c) John Hamilton

    The contract provides for the delivery of two HELWS prototypes and their 12-month field trials outside the US continental territory. Work should be completed by November 1, 2020. The complex should be mounted on a light car (pickup or buggy - the experimental sample is installed on a light Polaris MRZR all-terrain vehicle) and controlled by one operator. The laser system is combined with an electron-optical target detection system (UAV). The battery charge should provide 4-hour standby time and from 20 to 30 laser shots. Charging the batteries of the complex should be provided from a household electrical network of 220 volts.

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    An experimental prototype based on the Polaris MRZR lightweight all-terrain vehicle of a combat vehicle developed for the US Air Force by the Raytheon HELWS (High Energy Laser Weapon Systems) light fast-deployable mobile ground-based combat laser system for combating small unmanned aerial vehicles (c) John Hamilton and Raytheon

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    Post  George1 on Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:19 pm

    US Air Force sends first laser weapon system to test abroad

    According to the American resource Task & Purpoise, the US Air Force Research Laboratory (AFRL) handed over the first installation of the HELWS (High Energy Laser Weapon Systems) fast-deploying mobile ground-based combat laser complex for 12-month tests outside the continental part ( OCONUS) USA.

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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat May 23, 2020 8:12 pm

    Watch this US Navy ship destroy a flying drone with a laser weapon

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    Post  Isos on Sat May 23, 2020 11:17 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:

    Watch this US Navy ship destroy a flying drone with a laser weapon



    That's a joke. Just look at the dispersion of the laser beam. After around 50m it's 2x bigger than at the beggining. One km away it would have energy to do nothing. Where is the full video ?

    Anyone with laser knowledge could analyze my interpretation ?  Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to be a weired laser.


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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 24, 2020 8:13 am

    Notice of all the various systems mentioned there was never a mention of the range it was effective to...


    It is probably the future but for now missiles are cheaper and more effective over a much greater area... except if you are the US and have neglected air defence against small drones and need something to leap ahead of the game... I believe it is called clutching at straws... just one of them needs to be a nice strong rope anchored properly to save our asses right...
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    Post  Arrow on Sun May 24, 2020 10:02 am

    New wepons against Onyx and Zircon Shocked Shocked
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sun May 24, 2020 2:54 pm

    Isos wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:

    Watch this US Navy ship destroy a flying drone with a laser weapon





    That's a joke. Just look at the dispersion of the laser beam. After around 50m it's 2x bigger than at the beggining. One km away it would have energy to do nothing. Where is the full video ?

    Anyone with laser knowledge could analyze my interpretation ?  Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to be a weired laser.


    Yes still the technology is not mature and hard to apply it for long distance . As per previous calculations , 100 kW power laser would be adequate against non hardened small boats  carrying exposed an IED at a range up to 1 km .That weapon size would be about that of a current CIWS and requires the ship’s electrical power of about 400 kW .

    If the boat target with an IED hidden within its aluminum hull , it would require a 1.6 MW power laser to burn through the aluminum hull to ignite the IED within 1km which require an input electrical power of 6.5 MW but this exceeds the LCS total generated power ,so we can use Lead acid batteries  to store the energy .

    Below table shows that we need a revolution on such technology so that we can use it as a real weapon .
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sun May 24, 2020 2:57 pm

    GarryB wrote:Notice of all the various systems mentioned there was never a mention of the range it was effective to...


    It is probably the future but for now missiles are cheaper and more effective over a much greater area... except if you are the US and have neglected air defence against small drones and need something to leap ahead of the game... I believe it is called clutching at straws... just one of them needs to be a nice strong rope anchored properly to save our asses right...

    Yes exactly they never mention the range . I guess they could hit it at 300m .


    New wepons against Onyx and Zircon Shocked Shocked

    Yes but if there is a toy Zircon version for kids lol1
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    Post  GarryB on Sun May 24, 2020 3:06 pm

    Eventually they could be part of a solution, but for now the friction created heat of travelling at mach 10 for a distance of over 1,000km is probably more of a challenge to these missiles than any existing laser could represent.

    Kinzhal is in service now and Zircon will be in service after testing is completed over the next year or two... it will be 10 years before a capable laser based air defence system is put in to service that can shoot down manouvering hypersonic missiles and it will likely be based on the Preveset...
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    Post  ahmedfire Yesterday at 1:36 am

    In 2019 , they said they would have a 300-kilowatt by 2022 and 500 kW by 2024 against cruise missiles .

    https://breakingdefense.com/2019/12/exclusive-three-ways-to-kill-cruise-missiles-pentagon-to-test-rival-lasers/

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Yesterday at 1:48 am

    ahmedfire wrote:In 2019 , they said they would have a 300-kilowatt by 2022 and 500 kW by 2024 against cruise missiles .

    https://breakingdefense.com/2019/12/exclusive-three-ways-to-kill-cruise-missiles-pentagon-to-test-rival-lasers/


    Meanwhile the Russians already have Peresvet that's 1-10 MW, on top of that it's a MASER and a GRASER.
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    Post  GarryB Yesterday at 7:01 am

    Nuclear tank? Are they serious?

    I just worked it out... they think that because the Armata will have a 152mm gun it will be able to use the 2.5 kiloton nuclear shell that the Coalition can use.

    Dumbasses... when would a tank use such a shell... with a 20 degree gun elevation it wouldn't be able to fire it far enough to be outside its own blast radius...

    Below table shows that we need a revolution on such technology so that we can use it as a real weapon .

    And you also need it to be not raining or foggy...

    In comparison an IED on a ship 1,000m away can be easily obliterated with a burst of 30mm cannon shells... if it is hidden inside the ship then use the 100mm or 130mm deck gun...

    Lasers and other directed energy weapons have enormous potential but they are just not ready yet.... unlike the Kinzhal...
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    Post  The-thing-next-door Yesterday at 10:41 am

    GarryB wrote:
    Nuclear tank? Are they serious?

    I just worked it out... they think that because the Armata will have a 152mm gun it will be able to use the 2.5 kiloton nuclear shell that the Coalition can use.

    Dumbasses... when would a tank use such a shell... with a 20 degree gun elevation it wouldn't be able to fire it far enough to be outside its own blast radius...

    Well if they used a gun launched missile to deliver the warhead it could be quite useful for cleaning up insignificant parts of eastern europe and the remainder of the enemy's conventional forces during the nuclear war.

    If you think about it you could be in ukropia commanding a small tank force and be tasked with removing some remaining pindos from a town with a few multi story buildings but artillery support is in short supply as it is all needed for more intense theatres, you could just go in and lose a few tanks to some bushwacking vermin hiding in the rooftops or you could just load up a nuclear missile and be done with the lot of them.
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    Post  GarryB Yesterday at 12:40 pm

    ....you could just go in and lose a few tanks to some bushwacking vermin hiding in the rooftops or you could just load up a nuclear missile and be done with the lot of them.

    As appealing as that sounds it is still not very practical... instead of cramming a nuclear missile with a relatively short range and very limited elevation into an 152mm gun equipped armata vehicle they could have used Iskander or even Smerch with a much larger warhead with much greater range...
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    Post  ahmedfire Yesterday at 8:18 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:In 2019 , they said they would have a 300-kilowatt by 2022 and 500 kW by 2024 against cruise missiles .

    https://breakingdefense.com/2019/12/exclusive-three-ways-to-kill-cruise-missiles-pentagon-to-test-rival-lasers/


    Meanwhile the Russians already have Peresvet that's 1-10 MW, on top of that it's a MASER and a GRASER.

    10MW is a huge output . Please share a source .

    What kind of input , nuclear ?


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    Post  magnumcromagnon Yesterday at 11:12 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:In 2019 , they said they would have a 300-kilowatt by 2022 and 500 kW by 2024 against cruise missiles .

    https://breakingdefense.com/2019/12/exclusive-three-ways-to-kill-cruise-missiles-pentagon-to-test-rival-lasers/


    Meanwhile the Russians already have Peresvet that's 1-10 MW, on top of that it's a MASER and a GRASER.

    10MW is a huge output . Please share a source .

    What kind of input , nuclear ?



    Check the Peresvet thread, it's been confirmed for years now that it's nuclear powered, and specifically it's a nuclear pump-laser:

    In this case, the output optical power of Peresvet BLK can be estimated in the range of 1-3 MW with the prospect of increasing to 5-10 MW.

    https://www.russiadefence.net/t7614p175-peresvet-laser-complex#274069

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