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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:49 pm

    ALAMO wrote:
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    Mir wrote:Don't agree with that at all. Eyeball to eyeball is the best way to deal with these guys. You need a presence and missiles like the Tsirkons would not do it. You need ships and bombers.

    Besides that, there are other strategic systems (other than Zircon) that could be deployed that could make a serious impact: Murmansk-BM, Paladin, Tirada-2, Kalibr-M/Kh-101, S-350/400/500/550, etc.

    My friends, sometimes I have a feeling, that you really need a history lesson with extended context dunno

    No need for the condescending tone, Russia already has massive investments in both Venezuela (Russia managed to get controlling shares in their state hydrocarbon monopoly) as well as in Cuba (their joint off-shore rig has access to an estimated $900 billion in deep-sea oil reserves). Naturally it only makes sense to 'defend' investments that are immensely valuable, and bare minimum the costs of fuel resupply would be covered by those countries hydrocarbon fuel reserves.

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    Post  hoom Sun Jan 23, 2022 4:20 am

    limb wrote:What's the terminal guidance mechanism of the 3M22.
    This is a very good question.
    The Western view seems to be you need to do some kind of offboard updating to onboard inertial guidance eg via a satellite link.

    But while US has enough radar/comms satellites to guarantee sufficient coverage, Russias coverage is (currently) incomplete and yet we have reports about US Intel being surprised by the observed high accuracy of Zirkon/Kinzhal, implying that Russia is using some other kind of guidance.

    There are some highly sloped rectangles on the Kinzhal that seem to be some kind of antenna aperture but I haven't seen anything authoritative about what they are.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 23, 2022 6:08 am

    Zircon uses speed primarily as its main feature and it can only operate for long periods at such speeds at very high altitudes... ie the rocket powered Kh-32 operates at 40km altitude to fly above most air defence systems and a scramjet powered Zircon could probably operate at the same or higher altitudes because the cold thin air means less drag and less friction heating...

    But flying at 40-50km altitude means your radar horizon would be enormous and your radar visibility would be enormous especially against 100K ton aircraft carriers which stand out spectacularly.

    For defence of Russia they have about 1,000km inland around their entire border OTH backscatter radars with ranges of 5-6 thousand kilometres, which means 4-5 thousand kilometres beyond their coastline they have constant and continuous monitoring down to sea level... there will be gaps and patches due to atmospheric conditions, but they will move around so any attacking force approaching Russia will be detected in good time and some other platform can take a look to see if it is a problem or not.

    They have a range of intel sources and something like an invasion or attack would be hard to keep quiet for long.

    Aircraft carriers and carrier groups don't move very fast so if you launch a mach 9 Zircon missile at a target 1,000km away then you will generally know the location as well as speed and direction of the target at launch.... you know how long your missile will take to cover that distance and you can work out the area the target will be when your missile arrives. The altitude of the missile means even if it is 100km out... it is flying at 50km altitude so it could easily fly 100km either side of its position as it dived... not to mention it has been approaching the target for a few minutes and when it was 500km away it should be able to see where the carrier is and correct its flight path to get directly above it for a pitch up and climb for a vertical dive on the target at even higher speed performing some sort of corkscrew dive to avoid any up coming interceptors.

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    Post  Arrow Sat Feb 19, 2022 4:13 pm

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Feb 20, 2022 1:09 am

    Very nice view of Zircon launch sequence Very Happy Clearest view yet thumbsup

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    Post  hoom Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:23 am

    Can't really make out anything on the missile body but looks like it stages in the cloud & the acceleration of the engine plume in the last few frames is something else Shocked

    Edit: Bastion Karpenko got a good shot
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    Post  Arrow Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:33 am


    It is not known what the target of the missile was. Is it surface or land? The range on which it was flying was not given. NOTAM shows that Cirkon could fly over 1000 km, especially if it hit a ground target.


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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:59 pm

    Zirkon first pictures !!!!

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    Post  Isos Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:01 am

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    Post  Krepost Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:20 am

    Here is the full clip about Zircon as broadcasted today on Russian TV.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Feb 28, 2022 11:12 am

    Ups Wink

    The Zircon surface-to-air hypersonic missile can fire at a range of up to 1,500 km.

    The commander of the frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov", Captain of the first rank Igor Krokhmal, said that the appearance of the hypersonic missile is one of the secret parameters.

    MOSCOW, February 27. /tass/. The surface-launched hypersonic Zircon missile has a range of up to 1,500 km. About it in the report for the TV program "Vesti Nedeli" on the channel "Russia-1 " was announced by the commander of the frigate "Admiral of the Fleet of the Soviet Union Gorshkov", Captain of the first rank Igor Krokhmal.

    "Shooting will be conducted at a distance of 1,000 to 1,500 km. If we take 1,000 km and divide it by the speed of Mach 9, we get a flight time of 580-620 seconds, " he said, anticipating the launch of the rocket.

    The report did not specify when the shooting was carried out. The announced launch of the Zircon took place on February 19 during the exercise of the strategic deterrent forces.

    As follows from the report, a naval target was hit at a range of up to a thousand kilometers. The launch was carried out from the Barents Sea.

    He also said that the appearance of the Zircon hypersonic missile is one of the secret parameters. "It is under this cover of the universal launcher that the secret hypersonic Zircon is located. Even its appearance is still a top secret. Knowing the size of the launch shaft, you can only confidently judge the dimensions of the rocket. Its length is about 9 m, its diameter is 60 cm, " the commander said.

    According to him, he himself saw the Zircon rocket only during the launch, when you can't see much in the clouds of smoke and fire, and the Zircon frigate is loaded in a closed container.

    "The appearance of a hypersonic missile and its appearance is one of the protected parameters. That's why I never saw her. But you can't see it at the start. It is impossible at these speeds, " Krokhmal assured.

    The Russian Defense Ministry has closed a large area of the Barents Sea to shipping for the duration of the exercise. "Let them watch, we don't mind, on the contrary, they will say in their information messages that yes, indeed, there are such weapons. Russia does not deceive us, does not lead us on a false trail. Let them watch, our exercises are open for this, " the commander stressed, referring to NATO observers monitoring the tests along the borders of the restricted area reserved for firing.

    Currently, the state tests of the Zircon from a surface carrier are being completed. The developer and manufacturer of the missile is the Reutov NPO Mashinostroyeniya (part of the Tactical Missile Armament Corporation).

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/13889279

    Lots of info here:

    > Range confirmed up to 1500 km, this was before only hinted, and only once, for land targets.
    > It seems 9 M is average flight speed, or at least that is how the captain is making the calculations
    > 600 mm diameter may leave open the option that it can be eventually launched from heavy torpedo tubes on SSNs (971), that would mean a massive increase in the number of those critical submarine carriers. Far from sure, but it is a possibility.

    Obviously all this is related to the escalation in international tensions, Tsirkon will allow Russia and China to prevent the West from using their navies to isolate them through acts of piracy and gunboat diplomacy. The gloves are off in earnest I think...

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    Post  Hole Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:42 pm

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    Post  Podlodka77 Sun Mar 13, 2022 9:38 pm

    Brothers in arms, don't speak loudly, but TV Zvezda works;)

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    Post  Krepost Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:57 am

    tvzvezda is banned from YouTube.
    But you can watch the program on COMBAT APPROVED.
    With English subtitles as a bonus.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:03 pm

    Yes, TV Zvezda was banned earlier but Zvezda Live worked until this morning and it is also banned..
    Terrible fascism, they are worse than Goebbels

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    Post  Scorpius Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:18 pm

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    Post  Scorpius Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:34 pm

    Krepost wrote:tvzvezda is banned from YouTube.
    But you can watch the program on COMBAT APPROVED.
    With English subtitles as a bonus.


    In this video, the commander of the Rocket and Artillery Combat Unit reports that the launches of the Zircon were initially carried out at "half of the required range" and now they are launching at a distance of "over a thousand kilometers".

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    Post  zepia Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:21 am

    Second episode just drop.

    The zircon episodes seem to be rush up. They didn't waste a time to dubbed.
    And English episodes is usually a year or two behind the Russian one aired on Zvezda.

    Sending a message I guess.

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    Post  LMFS Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:26 pm

    NPO Mashinostroyeniya said that the Russian Federation has a reserve for the aviation version of the Zircon rocket

    Anatoly Svintsov, Deputy General Director of the company, noted that the Zircon was initially developed in both marine and aviation versions.

    MOSCOW, March 20. /tass/. NPO Mashinostroyeniya has a large backlog for the aviation version of the Zircon hypersonic cruise missile. This was announced by the Deputy General Director of the enterprise Anatoly Svintsov.

    "According to the aviation version, we also have a big backlog. When the time comes, we will definitely continue this work, but for now the country already has a hypersonic aviation missile-this is the Kinzhal missile, " Svintsov said on the Military Acceptance program on the Zvezda TV channel.

    The Deputy General Director added that the Zircon was initially developed in both marine and aviation versions. "The customer made a decision at the first stage to step up work on creating a marine version of the rocket," he explained.

    https://tass.ru/ekonomika/14126451

    "Subtle" messages keep coming angel

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