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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:48 pm

    Doesn't really matter if they take 5 years to get it in to service... the improved Onyx missiles at 800km range and mach 5 are already damn formidable anyway and even the original Onyx missiles were a problem.

    Russia does not need the firepower to obliterate the west... that would cost too much and the money and people and time invested achieving that would be a bit of a waste if they never actually use it... and I hope they don't.

    The west is like a wasp... it routinely uses its sting to get what it wants... but Russia is more of a bee... it can sting too, but it would prefer to make honey.
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    Post  Arrow Sun Dec 27, 2020 8:02 pm

    There is no information about the new Onyx. There was also no information about Onyx testing at 5M speed


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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:16 am

    Arrow wrote:There is no information about the new Onyx. There was also no information about Onyx testing at 5M speed

    Correct

    Onyx doesn't go anywhere near 5M
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    Post  Isos Mon Dec 28, 2020 3:20 am

    Most interesting will be the small brahmos NG.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:48 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Arrow wrote:There is no information about the new Onyx. There was also no information about Onyx testing at 5M speed

    Correct

    Onyx doesn't go anywhere near 5M

    The deep modernization being developed for P-800 Onyx will allow it to have 1000km range and 4.5-5 Mach top speed, the ramjet engine prevents it from exceeding Mach 5 however. With the INF Treaty's death, they could just as easily add a rocket stage derived from the Kh-32 (but increased in size because Onyx is ground launched) to allow it to hit the 1000km range and 4.5-5 Mach speed.

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    Post  thegopnik Mon Dec 28, 2020 5:19 am

    https://zeenews.india.com/india/brahmos-missile-with-800km-range-possible-hypersonic-version-being-developed-2230891.html

    CEO and MD of BrahmosSudhir Kumar Mishra said 800km and hypersonic speeds by upgrading their existing ramjet.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6925991

    general designer of NPO Mashinostroyenia (part of the Tactical Missile Arms Corporation) Alexander Leonov said 800km and increasing onyx to mach 5

    Everyone knows India gets Russia's sloppy 2nds.

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    Post  dino00 Mon Dec 28, 2020 7:22 am

    Arrow wrote:There was supposed to be one more test this year. There have not been any tests for a distance of 1000 km yet and they were announced at the end of 2020. In total, they did 7 tests, there were only 3.
    For now, Zircon is only 300-400 km range test. Very strange because it is not even half of the declared range by VVP.
    They write that there were 3 tests. What about the January 2020 test? was unsuccessful that they do not mention this test.

    5 successful tests this year, not 3 as the lying gentleman comments above.

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    Post  Arrow Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:13 am

    There were 4 tests in this year. The first is in jnuary, the second is in october, the third is in november and the fourth is in december.
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    Post  dino00 Tue Dec 29, 2020 1:27 am

    Arrow wrote:There were 4 tests in this year. The first is in jnuary, the second is in october, the third is in november and the fourth is in december.

    The second was in July...

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    Post  dino00 Wed Dec 30, 2020 8:20 am

    The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announces serial deliveries of the Zircon hypersonic missile in 2022

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=543931&lang=RU

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    Post  LMFS Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:34 pm

    Source: from the Admiral Gorshkov will conduct a salvo launch of" Zircons"."

    MOSCOW, January 4-RIA Novosti. The frigate of the Northern fleet project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" until the end of 2021 for the first time will perform a salvo launch of hypersonic missiles "Zircon" on tests, a source in the military-industrial complex told RIA Novosti.

    As reported by the Ministry of defense, in 2020, Gorshkov performed three launches of Zircons: two-at sea targets and one-at a ground target. In all cases, only one missile was fired.

    "According to the plan of state tests of the missile system, by the end of 2021, the first salvo firing of several Zircon missiles will be performed from the Admiral Gorshkov frigate. The missiles will be launched from the ship with an interval of several seconds, " the source told RIA Novosti.
    He explained that the salvo firing "is designed to provide not only missile tests, but also to test the capabilities of the ship's weapons control system, in particular, when it performs tasks with a massive missile strike simultaneously on sea and land targets."

    The launches will be carried out in an environment of powerful electronic countermeasures. According to the source, the Zircon is equipped with a unique homing system in terms of noise immunity characteristics, and they want to confirm its capabilities during tests.
    The zircon is the world's first hypersonic cruise missile capable of performing long – term aerodynamic flight with maneuvering in dense layers of the atmosphere, using its own engine thrust throughout the route, while its speed reaches about nine speeds of sound, and the maximum firing range is up to a thousand kilometers. The complex can hit both surface and ground targets with the same efficiency.

    Serial deliveries of hypersonic missiles "Zircon" for the Russian Navy should begin in 2022.

    https://ria.ru/20210104/tsirkon-1591931630.html

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:43 am

    How "Zircon" will sink US aircraft carriers https://regnum.ru/news/it/3178939.html
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    Post  mnztr Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:02 am

    to me the most interesting thing in that article was an additional 8 USKS cells from ship 5 and onward. !!! I was hoping for more details on the flight profile, kenetic energy, impact effects of hypersonics etc etc. Maybe the best way to combat a hypersonic is special armour that vapourises and allows the missile to pass through. Or maybe ships will be equipped with reactive armour?
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    Post  Swede55 Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:20 am

    How does hypersonic ASM guidance work? Wouldn't active or passive radar be blocked by plasma generated by the high speed and heat, let alone by infrared methods.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:27 am

    Swede55 wrote:How does hypersonic ASM guidance work? Wouldn't active or passive radar be blocked by plasma generated by the high speed and heat, let alone by infrared methods.

    Don't know exactly but Kinzhal for example has a rectangle part in the back of the missile which is covered with protective red plastic when on the ground so it's likely that they put navigation and sensors over there where there is much less heat than in the front
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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:49 am

    IMO laser guided like kornet atgm with the a rear facing detector. Laser based in the space.

    The speed should also decrease when they enter lower altitudes which should allow radars to work.
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    Post  Swede55 Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:05 am

    Thanks. Upon further research, apparently plasma is only generated at Mach 10 plus. Speaking of radars, the radio transparent nosecone would also get very hot, the usual plastic or fiberglass type wouldn't work, so what would they use if anything?
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    Post  mnztr Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:04 am

    I doubt they will use radar, perhaps thermal or imaging sensor for terminal guidance. Its even possible it will release a parachute sensor that guides it.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 14, 2021 8:40 pm

    Only radar would have the necessary range and all weather capability.

    They have developed a range of temperature resistant metals and materials I would expect they would have not problems finding suitable heat resistant radio transparent materials...

    It is probably a large part of why its development has taken so long.
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    Post  dino00 Fri Feb 26, 2021 9:26 pm

    The source said about the planned launch of "Zircons" from the submarine "Severodvinsk"

    MOSCOW, February 26 - RIA Novosti. The Severodvinsk Project 885 (Ash) multipurpose nuclear submarine this year will be the first Russian submarine to fire Zircon hypersonic missiles, including from under water, a source in the military-industrial complex told RIA Novosti.

    By the end of this year, the Severodvinsk submarine will carry out at least one Zircon launch from the surface position and at least one from the underwater one. as part of surface and underwater carriers, "- said the agency's interlocutor.

    He added that earlier Zircon firing from submersible stands simulating launches from submarines from a submerged position had been performed
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    Post  LMFS Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:11 pm

    Underwater launching of Tsirkon initiates a new era in US-Russia relationship, just saying... Rolling Eyes
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    Post  Arrow Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:53 pm

    It has already been reported several times that Yasen will launch the Zircon this year. Nothing new the same again.
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    Post  Arrow Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:29 am

    LMFS wrote:Underwater launching of Tsirkon initiates a new era in US-Russia relationship, just saying... Rolling Eyes

    If only they had powerful naval forces. They could dominate the seas and oceans. Unfortunately, there is a significant limitation in terms of the number of submarines and surface ships. However, they have a chance to achieve nuclear supremacy over the world.

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    Post  LMFS Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:28 am

    Arrow wrote:If only they had powerful naval forces. They could dominate the seas and oceans. Unfortunately, there is a significant limitation in terms of the number of submarines and surface ships. However, they have a chance to achieve nuclear supremacy over the world.

    I am not talking bout any kind of dominance, simply that Russia now has the same kind of "gun in your head" than US has by placing missiles close to Moscow and St. Petersburg, and in general by deploying NATO forces right up to the Russian border. Russia did not have such option before, due to geography. And in fact that gun is not even necessarily nuclear, but with a level of threat almost as high, because it can be delivered right in the decision centers of the country and other equally painful locations, within very few minutes and without the need of anything else than one sub lurking close the US. This is huge event for the escalation balance of both countries, not joking

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    Post  Hole Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:25 am

    The american navy is like a bunch of guys coming with knives to a gun-fight. And in the case of Russia these guns are assault rifles.

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