The Israelis denied having TOWs as early as the 14th. They had SS-11s. In any event I'm sure almost all Egyptian tank/APC losses that day were due to tank fire.
I didn’t say IDF tanks were not fighting but IAF ,ATGMs teams and artillery were there too , you said IAF wasn’t effective ,here is a western source which said IAF was very effective that day :
On the 14th,
the Israeli Air Force was once again a potent battlefield killer
. The Egyptians had left most of their new SA-6 SAM's on the west bank to reduce their vulnerability to ground attack. This distant positioning, however, also reduced their effectiveness
So your claims about the IAF that day is not correct , keep in mind that till now I’m sharing a western sources and I didn’t depend on Egyptian one which also mentioned the same IAF role that day + more IDF losses .
And regarding the TOW missiles , George W. Gawrych said that IDF used it on 14-OCT
Below is a quote by Dr. George W. Gawrych in his book , by the way he is supporting the Israeli’s views :
As anticipated by many senior Egyptian officers, the attack on the morning of 14 October proved an unmitigated disaster-a drive attempted too late and with insufficient forces . Using four axes of advance, Egyptian forces composed of one mechanized infantry and four armored brigades attacked the Israelis over open terrain with the sun in their eyes. IDF forces waited in defensive positions, armed with an undisclosed number of recently arrived sophisticated antitank TOW (tube-launched, optically tracked, wire-guided) missiles from the United States.
On 11 October, the IDF had established a special course for rapidly training instructors on the use of the TOWs. 105 This gave them ample time to train units for action by 14 October.
No, because the 3rd didn't lose SAM cover until the 22nd and the IDF was mainly concerned with Egyptian forces and objectives west of the canal until the 24rth when it finally pounded the 3rd heavily.
There was no longer any significant SAM cover by the 24rth, so the IAF could be much more effective. Egypt did buy some time by squandering MIG-21s--around 14 that day--but that just wasn't sustainable.
Again you are wrong , Your claims are not only against Egyptian views but also against U.S intelligence views which mentioned that IAF tried to bomb more the last four days , one aircraft was lost and 6 damaged by AD forces .Actually Egyptian sources mentioned more IAF losses that period .
the Egyptian Air missile basis were pulled backward on the 16th & 17th of Oct That means the 3rd army fought for one week till the 24th without Canal west complete SAM umbrella against IAF & IDF formations without being destroyed or impaired. It was protected by its potable anti air missiles & by the EAF.
Already I shared the U.S intelligence report that Egyptian AD was effective throughout the war ,as below !!
No, a few days earlier. Adan had already overrun the jebel Geneifa on the night of the 19th-20th, and was in a position to hit vehicles on the Cairo-Suez road by the 21st at the latest.
No , as per Egyptian sources , IDF reached Cairo Suez road on the dawn of the 24th. It reached the Gulf of Suez on the night of the 24th .
Has certainly suffered high losses--one of the best kept Israeli secrets of the war (did you see the starvisions post "Obscure Battle 1973"?). I don't know where the figure of 130 comes from though
Number were mentioned by many Egyptian books ,check the historian Gamal Hammad books .
But enough supplies must've gotten through to enable the Israelis to advance south to isolate 3rd army.
Severely threatened by what--the severely depleted 4rth and 21st, and the demolished 25th brigade?
Between 31-Oct to 18-Jan , Egyptian forces did 439 attacks on IDF forces to prevent them for re-supplying or re-organizing, that’s why Israelis digged tunnels (width 7m and depth 5 m) to prevent the EGY forces from attacking them , they also put 750,000 anti armor mines to protect their forces .
439 attack during ceasefire caused the below IDF losses according to IDF official declarations (real losses more than those ):
187 Israeli soldiers get killed
11 aircrafts shoot down
41 tanks/armored vehicle get destroyed
36 bulldozer / engineering unit get destroyed .
Destroying sea landing boat .
Damaging Cerena oil tanker .
Bypassing many Egyptian forces and not securing the logistics ,IDF put his forces in a danger to be destroyed. Analysts believe that IDF can not sustain long wars. On the 24th of Oct, IDF failed to conquer Suez city or Mossiri position in the east or Ismaelya city or to achieve a further break through by sharon Division to surround the 2nd arm. The available IDF 3 armoured divisions were blocked on the Canal west bank & subjected to the Egyptian army pressure from the West, north & South. A plan of the 3rd army destruction can not be realized without risking IDF divisions safety on the Canal west bank
The infantry division 16 also remained a very effective fighting formation till the ceasefire declaration. Its power as a defensive force was as efficient as it was through the whole War period. To execute another immediate offensive to cut the passage after the failed 17th of Oct offensive was not planned or ordered.The priority was now to sustain its positions in missory, Hamital & Televizia. the failure of IDF to occupy these till the cease fire , left its passage to the Canal west threatened of being Cut in the future upon resumption of fighting. The stubbornness of Division 16 together with the all IDF attacks on Missori & Hamital till the ceasefire. During this period, some of the IDF troops refused orders of attack due to the huge losses which they suffered by Division16 strong fire & solid defence.
Till the last day , IDF faced high losses without any plan to secure his trapped forces , the area of IDF landing at the west Canal shore ( Yard) remained under continuous shelling from the 2nd & 3rd Army artillary & rocket launchers on a minutely basis starting from the 17th till the 24th of Oct. The high rank which IDF rate the Egyptian gunners is due to the perfect shelling of the Passage & the Yard area in the Oct War. It is absurd to state that the IDF supply went on a normal basis from Sinai to Canal west through the Passage & the Yard. Israelis confessed the high losses that they suffered due to the threatened passage & the Yard. In one night, the Egyptian artillery killed 100 IDF bridge engineering soldiers. No army could sustain such losses for a long time.
By the Military operations end on the 24th, it was proved that IDF had the following drawbacks:-
- Failed to push the 2nd army from its new positions in the east of the canal to the west.
- Failed to push the 3rd army from its new positions in the east of the canal to the west.
- Failed to encircle the 2nd army.
- Failed to invade Suez city or Ismaeilia city.
- Failed to occupy Missory position east of the canal. This failure prevented IDF from widening the passage between the troops in the west canal bank & its logistic bases in Sinai.
If there were forces there so may be the IDF soldiers were killing themselves .
OK so they didn't destroy it. But the IAF had a tremendous advantage in quality of aircraft and air to air missiles. The EAF was in no shape to provide air cover for long without SAMs.
They had it also in Mansourah air battle , in 53 minutes, 17 IAF aircrafts were downed and IAF tactics failed that day .
It was proposed that the 15th be pulled back but I don't think it was. The 21st's brigades had been wrecked.
The main plan from General Alshazli (which Sadat rejected ) was to pullback 3 brigades from 2nd army +one from the 3rd army , after that we can add Republican Gaurds armored divisions joined the front. Since ceasefire, enormous Tanks supplies were pouring to Egypt from USSR, Jougoslavia & Algeria.
Unfortunately this overlooks the deep penetration of the west bank by IDF armor which raced from the crossing area to Adabiya in just a week….and the trapping of 3rd army.
Bypassing main Egyptian forces is not a complete succeed , IDF put his forces in a trap .
Unfortunately certain tactical successes did not stop the IDF advance. The IDF was not in danger in being trapped or cutoff in late October because Egyptian offensive power had been severely degraded. Shamel might've succeeded later but the situation in late October was very grim.
To the last day IDF was losing a lot ,that’s why they put mines and dig tunnels to stop the Egyptian attacks , if Shamel plan was applied , all IDF forces would be destroyed ,that’s why U.S threatened Egypt .
IDF through the crossing failed to restore the 5th-Oct positions and put his forces in danger on the west with a very limited supply line with no plans to secure that forces .
CIA analysis :