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    Syrian War: News #22

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    Post  nomadski Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:49 am

    The main problems for free trade in region and the world  is obviously the direct involvement by Americans and Usraelis. But as you said lots of little groups on the ground too. But these Russia or Iran or even China can take care off directly. If they will not have peace and allow trade , then they can be punished.

    The Asian mainland can offer free trade routes to Europe as was said. Once this is developed, then it will connect the entire Asian markets together. The problem comes in for trade with Africa and South America by sea or air routes. Here the Americans have a lot of ships and planes. And they have shown themselves to be bold enough to intercept cargo .

    And although removing American bases from ME and Asia will help reduce chances of conflict , it does not remove the possibility. They can act far from region, where they have forces available.

    Therefore Iran needs to make sure that they will not risk confrontation. They will not intercept shipping or air cargo . Intercepting their ships or planes is no answer. Since again it means war. And we better not risk war with the Americans. Since they have shown that they may not entirely mind a war in region. It may even give them a firmer foothold in the region. The only long term solution is to deter them entirely.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:09 pm


    Railway trough Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan should not be a security issue and would easily get support from Russia

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    Post  GarryB Wed Jul 07, 2021 6:10 am

    Love the irony... silk trade routes are still being talked about between europe and asia and a problem still being discussed is pirates at sea and bandits on land... the more things change the more they stay the same...

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    Post  Kiko Sat Jul 10, 2021 12:16 am

    US troops may leave Syria at any time, Russian envoy says, 09.07.2021.

    Alexander Lavrentiev recalled that former US President Donald Trump had decided to withdraw troops but his decision had been reconsidered and delayed.

    NUR-SULTAN, July 9. /TASS/. The United States may withdraw its troops from Syria at any time, Russian Special Presidential Envoy for Syria Alexander Lavrentyev said in an interview with TASS.

    "I think that the withdrawal of US troops from Syria may take place at any time," he pointed out. According to Lavrentyev, US troop pullout from Afghanistan signals the Kurds that the United States may arrive at a decision to leave Syria, too. "You must remember that former US President Donald Trump had decided to withdraw troops but his decision was later reconsidered and delayed," the Russian envoy noted.

    He went on to say that US troop withdrawal from Afghanistan was an important development.

    "We see that as US troops leave the country, the Taliban (outlawed in Russia) are quickly expanding their influence to all across entire Afghanistan, taking control of numerous districts. Tensions are definitely rising. However, since the Americans made a decision to pull troops out and return them home, I think that it could be the right step, though it had not been fully agreed on with the US’ allies and the countries that are interested in maintaining stability in this country," Lavrentyev added.

    https://tass.com/world/1312355

    And at the same time:

    Baghdad intends for US withdrawal from Iraq — Russian envoy.

    Alexander Lavrentyev noted that, should the US withdraw from Iraq, it would be impossible to maintain its contingent in Syria due to logistics issues.

    NUR-SULTAN, July 9. /TSS/. Baghdad made it clear to Moscow that Iraq is set for a US withdrawal from the republic, Russian Special Presidential Envoy for Syria Alexander Lavrentyev told TASS Friday.

    "The Iraqi colleagues told us that Baghdad intends for a US withdrawal from the country," he said.

    Lavrentyev noted that, should the US withdraw from Iraq, it would be impossible to maintain its contingent in Syria due to logistics issues.

    "If that happens and the US contingent withdraws from Iraq, then its maintenance of the contingent in Syria would become impossible due to logistics issues," he added.

    In May, Iraqi Prime Minister Mustafa al-Kadhimi discussed the US withdrawal from the republic with the US delegation, led by National Security Council Coordinator for the Middle East Brett McGurk. In April, al-Kadhimi stated that the increased combat readiness of the Army and Security Forces, as well as successes in fighting terrorism, made it possible to withdraw up to 60% of the foreign military contingent.

    https://tass.com/world/1312389

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    Post  Kiko Sun Jul 11, 2021 12:52 am

    Leaked docs reveal senior MI6 operative implicated in torture led British propaganda efforts in Syria, 09.07.2021.
    By Kit Klarenberg, an investigative journalist exploring the role of intelligence services in shaping politics and perceptions.

    Millions was spent clandestinely setting up and paying a network of ‘journalists’ to pump out anti-Assad, pro-opposition content as directed by a shadowy firm run by the UK foreign intelligence service’s counter-terrorism ex-head.

    In July 2019, an arresting image of two young Syrian girls entombed in rubble in opposition-occupied Idlib attempting to haul their sister to safety as she dangled off the precipice of a bombed out building, their panic-stricken father looking on from above, went viral the world over.

    The photo, disseminated by Syrian news service SY24, subsequently featured in countless Western media outlets, and was even discussed during a United Nations Security Council session. What very few knew however, was SY24 was created and funded by The Global Strategy Network, founded by Richard Barrett, a former MI6 Director of Global Counter Terrorism Operations. The photo had been taken by one of the firm’s trained “stringers” across Syria, who were charged with creating “wildly impactful” and “engaging” content for “defined target audiences” both inside and outside the country.

    Global Strategy is one of several contractors bankrolled and directed by the UK Foreign Office to conduct information warfare operations in Syria over the grinding course of the decade-long crisis. These efforts, costing millions annually, sought to destabilize the government of Bashar Assad, convince Syrians, Western citizens, foreign states, and international bodies that the Free Syrian Army was a legitimate, “moderate” alternative, and flood media the world over with pro-opposition propaganda.

    Leaked files indicate that the company’s “core Syria media team” has been working in the country “since the earliest days of the revolution” – and boasts of their work being “wildly (sic) impactful” on perceptions internationally. A cited example of its cloak-and-dagger work in practice was a wide-ranging psyop launched in the wake of Iranian General Qasem Soleimani’s murder via US drone in January 2020, which “significantly shifted the ongoing conversation around Syria and Iran".

    The team “coordinated their in-country network and remote media production,” and created a video showing citizens of Aleppo handing out sweets in celebration within mere hours of his death. The clip was purportedly retweeted by prominent activists and journalists “in and beyond Syria,” including then-US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and picked up by TV station Al-Arabiyya, in the process being broadcast “to its 22.5 million followers.”

    Global Strategy also boasted in classified documents that media brands it founded had over one million followers in Syria and the UK, their output generating “huge global coverage” and being seen by “many hundreds of millions of people.” The “powerful moderate platforms” were allegedly among “very few” covering developments in opposition-occupied Idlib, using a variety of equipment, such as cameras and video editing software, provided by the company.

    The company’s news outlets and constellation of citizen journalists was said to constitute a clandestine “network of networks”, enabling the firm to “drive stories into the mainstream,” and its own staff were described as “key influencers in their own right,” appearing “several times per week” on TV channels such as Al Jazeera and BBC Arabic. Global Strategy’s relationship with these stations meant it could “place video footage at no cost” while “[drawing] attention” to “project content and campaigns.”

    One such campaign was to “contest local extremist narratives” and undermine the “ideology, brand, propaganda and global influence” of terrorist groups in Syria, conducted for the Foreign Office’s Counter-Daesh Communications Cell. Under its auspices, Global Strategy proposed running a number of “community activities” in order to surreptitiously extol the values of democracy, equality, and non-violence to Syrians young and old.

    In service of the initiative, the contractor would design and deliver community plays, computer literacy workshops, mobile cinema events – selected screenings to include “prosocial cartoons for children” – and sporting tournaments, which “[took] into account the rapidly changeable security situation, and the need for gender inclusion.” It had “already held football tournaments in northwest Syria” that brought together “a wide variety of local stakeholders and actors,”and were covered by Al Jazeera.

    Central to these events would be a number of “current inhabitants and prisoners” of the Autonomous Administration of North Eastern Syria, “including former Daesh members from both Syria and abroad,” to which Global Network had access as a result of its work with the European Institute for Peace. This “invaluable resource” meant ex-fighters could “talk back to the communities from which they came and dispel Daesh-driven myths about the realities of the Caliphate.”

    The need to conceal the Foreign Office’s role in these endeavors was paramount, with Global Strategy pledging that nothing would publicly link them with the Counter-Daesh Communications Cell. A number of civil society organizations in Syria and the UK would appear to be the ultimate sponsors of these enterprises to mitigate the risk of exposure, and “media lines” would be agreed with its local partners in the event London’s hidden hand was revealed.

    It’s uncertain whether these grassroots groups, such as Syria Solidarity, are aware that Global Strategy exploited them as “buffers” in this manner, an urgent question indeed given that a secret internal review of the Cell’s covert activities concluded they were “poorly planned, probably illegal and cost lives.”

    It’s not the first time Global Strategy’s chief Richard Barrett has been in close proximity to, if not outright embroiled in, illegal operations that led to people dying. He was in charge of MI6’s counter terror operations before and after 9/11, a period in which the UK’s foreign intelligence agency became heavily involved in Washington’s extraordinary rendition program, under which suspected terrorists were abducted, extradited overseas, and interrogated under torture.

    Five days after the attacks, a team of senior British officials were briefed directly by the CIA’s counter terror chief Cofer Black on the strategy in detail. His MI6 counterpart, Mark Allen, reportedly said the plan sounded “rather blood curdling”, to which Black apparently responded, “we’ll probably all be prosecuted.”

    Despite Allen’s reservations, London quickly became an enthusiastic collaborator in extraordinary rendition. A 2018 report issued by Parliament’s Intelligence and Security Committee found that between 2001 and 2010, UK security services shared an “unprecedented” amount of intelligence with foreign liaison agencies “to facilitate the capture of detainees” when it was known or “reasonably suspected” the individuals would be subject to torture, and identified 198 cases in which UK spies received intelligence from obtained from people “they knew or ought to have suspected” had been tortured.

    From 2002–2004, representatives of MI6 also participated in interrogations of detainees held by US authorities at locations in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Guantanamo Bay, with the Committee identifying 13 cases of UK intelligence personnel witnessing detainee torture first-hand.

    In all, there were 128 recorded incidents of UK agencies being informed by their foreign counterparts that prisoners had been mistreated. London was found to have offered financial inducements to others to conduct extraordinary rendition operations, and suggested, planned or agreed to rendition operations proposed by others in 28 cases.

    These figures no doubt vastly underestimate the scale of MI6’s complicity in torture. The Committee avowedly published its report despite the investigation being incomplete, stating in the introduction that “it is not, and must not be taken to be, a definitive account,” as “the terms and conditions were such that we would be unable to conduct an authoritative inquiry and produce a credible report.”

    Parliamentarians were significantly hampered in their probe by then-Prime Minister Theresa May imposing onerous restrictions, including denying access to officers and personnel involved, and key witnesses, meaning only four intelligence agency staff could be interviewed – and even they weren’t allowed to comment on specific cases.

    Barrett left MI6 in 2004, and then for nine years led the UN Monitoring Team concerning al-Qaeda and the Taliban. In June, he stepped down from Global Strategy for reasons that are unclear, although it surely wasn’t for fear of Cofer Black’s dire prophecy coming true – the UK Crown Prosecution Service has consistently refused to institute legal proceedings against MI6 officials for their complicity in extraordinary rendition, despite police handing over 28,000 pages of evidence in one case alone.

    RT approached Global Strategy Network for comment on this story, but had received no reply by time of publication.

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/528810-mi6-torture-propaganda-syria/

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    Post  Kiko Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:57 pm

    Assad sworn in after winning elections in Syria, 17.07.2021.

    Syrian President Bashar al-Assad sworn in after winning elections.

    BEIRUT, July 17 - RIA Novosti. Bashar al-Assad took the oath of office after winning the presidential elections in Syria , according to the Syrian state agency SANA .

    "President Bashar al-Assad takes the constitutional oath of the President of Syria before the head and members of the People's Council in the presence of politicians, party, religious, scientific and public figures, as well as relatives of the victims," ​​the agency reports.

    After the swearing-in ceremony, Assad addressed the Syrian people, noting that Syria adequately defended and defends its rights thanks to popular unity in resisting hostile campaigns.

    "The consciousness of the people is our common fortress," Assad said, noting that it makes it possible to distinguish betrayal from patriotism, and revolution from terror.

    The presidential elections in Syria were held on May 26. 12 thousand polling stations were opened for voters in all provinces of the country, as well as 46 polling stations in the CAP diplomatic missions abroad, including the embassy in Moscow and the consulate general in St. Petersburg . A total of 14.2 million Syrians took part in the elections, the turnout was 78.64%. According to the results of the elections, the incumbent head of state Bashar al-Assad won a landslide victory, who received the support of 95.1% of voters who participated in the voting.

    https://ria.ru/20210717/siriya-1741655454.html

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    Post  SaneBomber Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:39 pm

    Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi on visit in Syria. The timing of this visit, right after Assad's reelection, is important as it marks China's strong endorsement of Assad's tenure and lays out the framework of the rebuilding of Syria's infrastructure and economy.

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    Post  miketheterrible Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:37 pm

    China will give pittance. China is one of the worst actors out there. Want others to do the dirty job for them, and try to maximize as much money out of the countries.

    I personally think China shouldn't get anything.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:44 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:China will give pittance.  China is one of the worst actors out there.  Want others to do the dirty job for them, and try to maximize as much money out of the countries.

    I personally think China shouldn't get anything.

    Looks like they may have signed contracts on this trip for an oil refinery and a very large solar power station.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:42 am

    China is not interested in getting into armed conflict with anyone, but after the fighting stops their investment and money will very much help such regions recover.

    Obviously the dirty work of destroying the enemy has to come first, but if China comes in afterwards and helps to rebuild Syria and even Afghanistan and Pakistan then these people have a real prospect of a decent future... which is more than America ever did for these countries.

    China will make money of course, but the people in these countries will get infrastructure and growth and development too so it is win win.

    The Syrian people wont forget it was Russia and Iran that helped them through and the US and Turkey and Israel that tried to screw them over, but binding Syria to only dealing with Russia and Iran after the conflict is resolved properly is going to seriously restrict their growth and development and I don't think that is what Russia and Iran are fighting for.

    There is a lot of work to do in Syria and plenty of money for everyone to make and work to benefit from...

    If any countries should be banned from the reconstruction it should be the companies from countries that did the damage in the first place and continued to stoke the fire of destruction for as long as they could.

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    Post  par far Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:14 pm

    See this video before it is removed, it is already age limited.


    Hopefully a massive campaign to retake Idlib is soon launched by Russia, SAA and allies.







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    Post  Sujoy Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:18 pm

    Amidst all the news about the success of the S-500 launch, this story probably fell through the cracks


    Syria shot down 7 of 8 Israeli missiles in Monday strike
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/russia-syria-shot-down-7-of-8-israeli-missiles-in-monday-strike/

    Theoretically, subsonic PGM shd be quite easy to take out once detected - slow-moving, agnst the cold/empty sky (no clutter), no terminal manoevring. But not when Israeli CONOPS includes launching them under cover of a large scale jamming effort.

    Jamming is more easier when missile has mid-course guidance. Suffice to say that lock on after launch reduces jamming possibility.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:25 am

    These standoff weapons are the cornerstone of HATO aggression.... and they will be testing ideas and weapons against modern Russian defences in the same way the Russians are learning about how to deal with western stand off attack missiles... stealthy and otherwise.

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:25 am

    Buk & Pantsir are capable of engaging a wide variety of aerial threats including drones, cruise missiles & PGMs. Their effectiveness of these AD systems can be eroded through EW. The effectiveness of the EW can, in turn, be eroded through counter EW.
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    Post  Mindstorm Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:38 am

    Sujoy wrote:Amidst all the news about the success of the S-500 launch, this story probably fell through the cracks


    Syria shot down 7 of 8 Israeli missiles in Monday strike
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/russia-syria-shot-down-7-of-8-israeli-missiles-in-monday-strike/

    Theoretically, subsonic PGM shd be quite easy to take out once detected - slow-moving, agnst the cold/empty sky (no clutter), no terminal manoevring. But not when  Israeli CONOPS includes launching them under cover of a large scale jamming effort.

    Jamming is more easier when missile has mid-course guidance. Suffice to say that lock on after launch reduces jamming possibility.


    As said several times those events (complete/almost complete neutralization of those stand-off air attacks) happen much more frequently than what usually publicized.

    At example after the reported event of 19 July when Панцирь-С1 and Бук-М2Э destroyed 7 out of 8 missiles delievered by IAF aircraft ,three days after, the 22 July Бук-М2Э destroyed 4 out of 4 missiles launched toward Homs targets.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11967063

    This happen obviously when the Israeli intelligence ,particularly humint assets, do not receive timely informations on the positions of the few most advanced air defense systems available to Syrian Army (Бук-М2Э and Панцирь-С1 above all).

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    Post  Sujoy Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:00 am

    Mindstorm wrote: As said several times those events (complete/almost complete neutralization of those stand-off air attacks) happen much more frequently than what usually publicized.

    At example after the reported event of 19 July when Панцирь-С1 and Бук-М2Э destroyed 7 out of 8 missiles delievered by IAF aircraft ,three days after, the 22 July Бук-М2Э destroyed 4 out of 4 missiles launched toward Homs targets.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11967063

    This happen obviously when the Israeli intelligence ,particularly humint assets, do not receive timely informations on the positions of the few most advanced air defense systems available to Syrian Army (Бук-М2Э and Панцирь-С1 above all).
    I get it. My point was despite massive Israeli jamming effort Syria was able to shoot down Israeli missiles.

    Also like I said in my previous post Buk, Pantsir can easily shoot down Israeli stand off missiles. But the effectiveness of Buk, Pantsir can be degraded by Israeli EW. Similarly, Syria can probably degrade Israeli EW through their own counter EW.

    Israeli EW is superior to what Syria has. Syria will have to depend on Russia for effective EW.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:09 am

    Sujoy wrote:
    Israeli EW is superior to what Syria has. Syria will have to depend on Russia for effective EW.
    But it seems unlikely to me that Russia will expose anywhere near its full EW capabilities just to protect Syria.

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    Post  Isos Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:34 pm

    There is nothing to jamm to stop israeli attack but GPS which is already jammed constantly in Syria.

    They use guided munitions for attacks and optical satellites for observation.

    Israeli jamm because they face ground radars and ground radio communication btw syrian AD sites.
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    Post  Mindstorm Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:36 pm

    Sujoy wrote:
    Mindstorm wrote: As said several times those events (complete/almost complete neutralization of those stand-off air attacks) happen much more frequently than what usually publicized.

    At example after the reported event of 19 July when Панцирь-С1 and Бук-М2Э destroyed 7 out of 8 missiles delievered by IAF aircraft ,three days after, the 22 July Бук-М2Э destroyed 4 out of 4 missiles launched toward Homs targets.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11967063

    This happen obviously when the Israeli intelligence ,particularly humint assets, do not receive timely informations on the positions of the few most advanced air defense systems available to Syrian Army (Бук-М2Э and Панцирь-С1 above all).
    I get it. My point was despite massive Israeli jamming effort Syria was able to shoot down Israeli missiles.

    Also like I said in my previous post Buk, Pantsir can easily shoot down Israeli stand off missiles. But the effectiveness of Buk, Pantsir can be degraded by Israeli EW. Similarly, Syria can probably degrade Israeli EW through their own counter EW.

    Israeli EW is superior to what Syria has. Syria will have to depend on Russia for effective EW.


    The IAF jamming is more than sufficient for some relatively outdated SAM systems , the problems with more advanced ones is that in order to reach the necessary signal density you should effectively attempt do it within theirs engagement range (stand-in jamming) and obviously also force the attacking aircraft to enter in Syrian air space.

    Both of those choices are clearly totally unacceptable for IAF.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:10 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Sujoy wrote:
    Israeli EW is superior to what Syria has. Syria will have to depend on Russia for effective EW.
    But it seems unlikely to me that Russia will expose anywhere near its full EW capabilities just to protect Syria.

    They won't and they don't need to

    It looks like Syrians finally got it into their heads that Russia will help but that at the end of the day it's Syrians themselves who will have to get off their asses and do the heavy lifting so they finally got around to learning how to properly use the stuff Russians gave them

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    Post  RTN Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:40 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:This happen obviously when the Israeli intelligence ,particularly humint assets, do not receive timely informations on the positions of the few most advanced air defense systems available to Syrian Army (Бук-М2Э and Панцирь-С1 above all).
    No, Israeli intel is heads & shoulders above anything that the Syrians have. They keep track of SAM battery movement  24/7.

    Syrian BUK & Pantsir-S1 were able to intercept stand off cruise missiles fired by Israeli F-16s because they were spotted on time. Even then not every single Israeli missile gets destroyed. A few almost always hits the target.

    Export version of BUK, Pantsir-S1 that Syria receives from Russia can also be jammed by Israeli military.

    Isos wrote:There is nothing to jamm to stop israeli attack but GPS which is already jammed constantly in Syria.
    Radars, sensors of Israeli fighter aircraft can be jammed. As can satellite communication.

    Isos wrote:They use guided munitions for attacks and optical satellites for observation.
     Israel has also used Popeye cruise missiles and Deliah cruise missiles to attack targets in Syria and not just guided munition.

    Isos wrote:Israeli jamm because they face ground radars and ground radio communication btw syrian AD sites.
    Israeli fighter aircraft do not have that kind of output to jam ground based radars.
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    Post  medo Sat Jul 24, 2021 6:43 pm

    Israel always launched enough missiles, that not all missiles could be shot down. Syria doesn't have enough modern SAMs, so they still mostly depend on older ones, which got modernized.

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    Modernized SAM-2 with digital electronics and new TV/IR camera.

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    Modernized SAM-6, you could notice new TV/IR camera.

    Regarding EW, Russia have EW complexes in Hmeimim base, but they didn't give them to SAA. Maybe they have some older complexes if they survive the war and could upgrade them, but SAA EW capabilities are very limited. Russia already did a great job to create new and effective Syrian IADS with mostly old complexes and connect it with their own, similarly as air force, where SyAAF Su-24M2 and MiG-29SM could work with RuAF.

    So, majority of Israeli missile attack are not intercepted by Buks or Pantsirs, but mnostly with older SAM-2, SAM-3, SAM-6 and SAM-8. Although modernized, that they could engage such difficult targets, thay could not engage so many targets simultaneously as Buk or Pantsir.

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    Post  Isos Sat Jul 24, 2021 7:42 pm

    Radars, sensors of Israeli fighter aircraft can be jammed. As can satellite communication.

    Yes but they don't need any of them to launch their air to ground missiles from Lebanon. Targets are preprogrammed, area is well known for pilot to go with only visual contact and communication are with radio btw the fighters and the command post which is not far since israel itself is small enough to rely only on radio. And they don't really need to communicate to launch their missiles, no enemies to make it difficult.

    Israel has also used Popeye cruise missiles and Deliah cruise missiles to attack targets in Syria and not just guided munition.

    Yes and they are hard to jam since delilah mostly work alone with quick final guidance from the aircraft operator.

    Popey is inertial guidnace with IIR final guidance so unjammable.

    Israeli fighter aircraft do not have that kind of output to jam ground based radars.

    Thry have a lot of aircraft mounted jammers. You don't need to totally blind a radar. Make him difficult detecting and tracking all of your missiles is already very good.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:46 am

    No, Israeli intel is heads & shoulders above anything that the Syrians have. They keep track of SAM battery movement 24/7.

    I don't deny Israeli intel is better than Syrian intel, but clearly the numbers of their missiles getting shot down suggests they are not keeping track 24/7.


    Syrian BUK & Pantsir-S1 were able to intercept stand off cruise missiles fired by Israeli F-16s because they were spotted on time. Even then not every single Israeli missile gets destroyed. A few almost always hits the target.

    I would turn that around and say most of their missiles are shot down and occasionally some missiles make it through to their targets, but as the Syrians seem to use individual system vehicles on their own instead of as batteries so they can defend more potential targets and we of course have to accept they likely can't have air defence vehicles defending everything Israel might want to attack... the presence of air defence vehicles will tell them where the most important targets are located for a start... for instance the big western attack of 103 missiles where 71 were shot down included buildings that were suspected of being used to make chemical weapons. That was bad information and resulted in some empty buildings being hit... so 103 missiles launched, 71 shot down, perhaps 3-4 just ran into the ground or flew into something on their way to their target, so that leaves about 22-23 missiles hitting old empty buildings that were unused... and therefore not actually defended.... how many other buildings or targets were also false targets that were also hit? We don't know... but it does not sound good in terms of cost effectiveness.

    Export version of BUK, Pantsir-S1 that Syria receives from Russia can also be jammed by Israeli military.

    Any evidence of that at all? If they could be jammed they would be jamming them and they would not be hitting anything at all... which appears to not be the case... in fact those two systems seem to be achieving results of 95% kills or better in real combat situations against rather difficult drone and enemy munition targets... which are rather difficult targets most western SAMs would struggle with.

    Radars, sensors of Israeli fighter aircraft can be jammed. As can satellite communication.

    Most of the targets they are attacking are fixed targets of known coordinates... such jamming would not be very effective over such relatively short distance as the INS navigation systems of the weapons should be enough to get them close enough for terminal guidance to spot the target.

    Israel has also used Popeye cruise missiles and Deliah cruise missiles to attack targets in Syria and not just guided munition.

    Guidance choices of their targets do not matter to BUK and Pantsir in terms of engagement. Even under heavy jamming they have EO guidance options too and rather high speed missiles make re-engagement times short too... so lots of targets can be engaged.

    Popey is inertial guidnace with IIR final guidance so unjammable.

    Unjammable for the Syrians...

    Israeli fighter aircraft do not have that kind of output to jam ground based radars.

    If they could jam BUK and Pantsir then they would not be shooting down these drones and munitions, but then I seem to remember they had a home on Jam function with their BUKs to specifically shoot down jamming platforms...

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