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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:57 pm

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    Ironically enough this seems to be the ethnic makeup of the 'Syrian' refugees in Europe.

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    Post  nero Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:48 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Maybe we are seeing a pullout, reduction in forces or rotation.

    According to people who both have insiders in the SDF and have followed the conflict daily since it's start - it is just normal troop rotation.

    There has been a lot of tweets that claim the US is starting to leave... showing empty supply trucks. Yeah.
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    Post  Hole Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:32 pm

    We´ve learned in the past that if they leave they leave everything behind, even the refrigerator with Coke.
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    Post  Maximmmm Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:13 am

    I mean after the brazen public admission of shenanigans to keep Trump believing he had reduced troops when in fact there were more ("shell games"), it's just foolish to thing they're ever going to leave.
    And with Obama's crew coming in? Our boys should prepare for some pretty ballsy provocations.
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    Post  miketheterrible Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:35 am

    Maximmmm wrote:I mean after the brazen public admission of shenanigans to keep Trump believing he had reduced troops when in fact there were more ("shell games"), it's just foolish to thing they're ever going to leave.
    And with Obama's crew coming in? Our boys should prepare for some pretty ballsy provocations.

    Medvedev had way more balls than Putin. He went in and fought US funded Georgia directly. Putin kind of folds pretty fast and tries to make everyone happy but Russia.

    So I figure Russia will be pushed back to their base in Syria as Russia kind of just gives in for no reason what so ever. Hence why puny shitstain countries know they can act tough against Russia.
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    Post  Tai Hai Chen Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:37 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Maximmmm wrote:I mean after the brazen public admission of shenanigans to keep Trump believing he had reduced troops when in fact there were more ("shell games"), it's just foolish to thing they're ever going to leave.
    And with Obama's crew coming in? Our boys should prepare for some pretty ballsy provocations.

    Medvedev had way more balls than Putin. He went in and fought US funded Georgia directly. Putin kind of folds pretty fast and tries to make everyone happy but Russia.

    So I figure Russia will be pushed back to their base in Syria as Russia kind of just gives in for no reason what so ever. Hence why puny shitstain countries know they can act tough against Russia.

    If Medvedev was president Azerbaijan would have been bombed to shit. Putin kind of betrays allies like Assad to keep enemies like Erdogan happy. Yeah, I'm talking about giving northern Syria to Erdogan.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:18 am

    Medvedev had way more balls than Putin. He went in and fought US funded Georgia directly. Putin kind of folds pretty fast and tries to make everyone happy but Russia.

    It was Medvedev that agreed not to send S-300s to Iran.... I guess in the background the west and Israel were making all sorts of promises to him in the shadows...

    The Georgians were shelling the VDV base in South Ossetia... if Medvedev had more balls than Putin he would have sent troops to take all of Georgia... Like America would have if this had been Serbia shelling US troops in Kosovo and an invasion to reoccupy stolen territory... the difference then of course is that the Serbs would have been in the right.

    So I figure Russia will be pushed back to their base in Syria as Russia kind of just gives in for no reason what so ever. Hence why puny shitstain countries know they can act tough against Russia.

    Why are you sounding so butthurt?

    If Medvedev was president Azerbaijan would have been bombed to shit.

    If Medvedev was that bold he would still be president and Putin would be his bitch substitute instead of the other way around.

    Not that I have anything against Medvedev but he seemed more pro west and west as partners than Putin has been...

    Putin kind of betrays allies like Assad to keep enemies like Erdogan happy.

    Assad is not Russias friend... he was sucking up to the west when they turned on him and he suddenly remembered the phone number for Russia just in time... unlike Gadaffi and Saddam who learned the hard way what being best buddies with the west means if you are not flexible the way they want you to be.

    Russia has said they are there fighting terrorism for the Syrian people... if the Syrian people voted someone else into power then that would be fine with Russia... there would be no change at all.

    Yeah, I'm talking about giving northern Syria to Erdogan.

    No one gave anyone anything... most of Syria was in Terrorist and US supported Kurdish hands and it was Russia and Iran that helped Syria take it back. How quickly people forget...

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:18 pm

    Turks might be effectively forcing the Russians to act.

    BEIRUT, LEBANON (10:45 P.M.) – The Turkish Armed Forces continued their military campaign in northern Syria on Tuesday, as their troops hammered the positions of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) in the Al-Raqqa and Aleppo governorates.

    According to a report from the field, the Turkish Armed Forces expanded their attack on Tuesday from the ‘Ain ‘Issa area of Al-Raqqa, to the town of Manbij in northeastern Aleppo.

    With both Manbij and ‘Ain ‘Issa under attack, several residents of these areas were forced to find safety, amid growing fears that a new military operation will be launched by the Turkish Armed Forces and their allies.

    In the past, Turkey has used the presence of the SDF in the region east of the Euphrates as a pretext for launching their “anti-terrorism operations”.

    According to Ankara, the SDF and the People’s Protection Units (YPG) are offshoots of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which was at war with Turkey for several years.

    With the SDF’s troops tied up in the ongoing operations against the Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL/IS/Daesh) in eastern Syria, Turkey will likely take advantage of the situation and expel the former from more areas east of the Euphrates and establish a much larger buffer zone in the northern part of Syria.


    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/turkish-forces-launch-relentless-attacks-in-northern-syria-as-they-expand-their-assault/

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    The Tr/TFSA rats bomb the outskirts of Ain Issa on the M4 International Road with mortar shells, the villages of Saida and Muqala and Ain Issa camp

    SDF commander Mazlum Abdi is under a lot of pressure on what to do, due to the growing attacks of Tr / TFSA rats.

    If SDF opposes Tr / TFSA on its own, it will be beaten to the feet, so it has 2 options left.

    1. Ask for absolute US help and protection, which of course you will not receive as much as you would need.
    2. Begins unreserved cooperation with the SAA and Russia.
    (A very pleasant surprise awaits him in that case)

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    Al-Raqqa: The movement and patrol of a number of Russian forces' vehicles from the base stationed at the eastern entrance towards the 93rd Brigade in the city of Ain-Issa, in conjunction with the Turkish artillery shelling on the outskirts of the city.
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    Post  franco Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:32 pm

    Don't believe it bothers the Russians much as long as the SDF tries to hide under the umbrella of the US. Could actually be a good thing.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:15 pm

    franco wrote:Don't believe it bothers the Russians much as long as the SDF tries to hide under the umbrella of the US. Could actually be a good thing.

    Agreed, Kurdish ego is still way too big for their britches and it will be getting some extra boost from Biden

    Russia needs to chill and let time and Turks do their work for them


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    Post  Kiko Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:06 pm

    White Helmets founder Le Mesurier is now a mainstream saint, but leaked docs raise questions about his widow's role:
    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/508929-white-helmets-founder-le-mesurier/
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Dec 09, 2020 10:18 am

    Iraq US helicopters transport ISIS terrorists between Nineveh and the border with Syria 08.12.2020
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Dec 10, 2020 8:49 pm

    Why "white helmets" are synonymous with used condoms. pwnd

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Dec 11, 2020 12:50 pm

    Sure beats having to take them back to the US when they leave. So, training the locals to look after them is a start. Not sure about parts availability into the future tho', I suppose there is always ebay.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 11, 2020 11:24 pm

    There was a recent post about a military comparison between the Russian Army and the US Army... and it mentioned the superiority of the US Army in numbers of MRAP type vehicles.

    The fact is that they are peace keeping and low intensity conflict vehicles which would have no value in a Russia US conflict... despite the writer of the article crowing about the superior US numbers.

    The fact that most of the time it is not worth transporting them home after they have been used somewhere and that they are often gifted to local forces when they leave tells you as much... after a few years work in an area rather than spend money shipping them home and refurbishing and overhauling them they dump them on the locals and if they need some again they just buy more as a standard practise...

    Essentially disposable armour.

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    Post  Maximmmm Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:13 pm

    GarryB wrote:There was a recent post about a military comparison between the Russian Army and the US Army... and it mentioned the superiority of the US Army in numbers of MRAP type vehicles.

    The fact is that they are peace keeping and low intensity conflict vehicles which would have no value in a Russia US conflict... despite the writer of the article crowing about the superior US numbers.

    The fact that most of the time it is not worth transporting them home after they have been used somewhere and that they are often gifted to local forces when they leave tells you as much... after a few years work in an area rather than spend money shipping them home and refurbishing and overhauling them they dump them on the locals and if they need some again they just buy more as a standard practise...

    Essentially disposable armour.

    100% spot on
    The whole MRAP obsession stems from how much money the US threw at it while fighting occupation wars all over the middle east. Everybody got on the hype train. As an actual asset in a conventional war they're quite questionable.
    The size and weight of them, being on regular wheels, makes any sort of serious off-roading a no-no. Plus they don't actually fit that many people.

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    Post  franco Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:49 pm

    Yes and when they try to play bumper cars they have a tendency to roll over Embarassed

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 13, 2020 1:48 am

    Not suggesting they are useless... they have a very specific role and job however which cannot include use against a modern enemy properly equipped with anti armour weapons...

    If they are cheap enough they are good and useful items but they are not APC or IFV replacements in real conventional conflicts... just like APC and IFVs would be too expensive for peacekeeping and dealing with insurgents....

    If your focus was national defence then you would not have enormous numbers on hand at all times like Russia doesn't... when you are the self appointed world police force then you need a lot and produce more all the time for the next conflicts too... like the west...
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    Post  Hole Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:24 am

    GarryB wrote:There was a recent post about a military comparison between the Russian Army and the US Army... and it mentioned the superiority of the US Army in numbers of MRAP type vehicles.

    The fact is that they are peace keeping and low intensity conflict vehicles which would have no value in a Russia US conflict... despite the writer of the article crowing about the superior US numbers.

    The fact that most of the time it is not worth transporting them home after they have been used somewhere and that they are often gifted to local forces when they leave tells you as much... after a few years work in an area rather than spend money shipping them home and refurbishing and overhauling them they dump them on the locals and if they need some again they just buy more as a standard practise...

    Essentially disposable armour.

    The writer didn´t bother to mention that the main gun of the M113 and the "Stryker" is a 12,7mm MG while the BTR-82A and most of the other russian vehicles he mentioned have a 30mm auto cannon.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Sun Dec 13, 2020 3:43 pm

    Hole wrote:
    GarryB wrote:There was a recent post about a military comparison between the Russian Army and the US Army... and it mentioned the superiority of the US Army in numbers of MRAP type vehicles.

    The fact is that they are peace keeping and low intensity conflict vehicles which would have no value in a Russia US conflict... despite the writer of the article crowing about the superior US numbers.

    The fact that most of the time it is not worth transporting them home after they have been used somewhere and that they are often gifted to local forces when they leave tells you as much... after a few years work in an area rather than spend money shipping them home and refurbishing and overhauling them they dump them on the locals and if they need some again they just buy more as a standard practise...

    Essentially disposable armour.

    The writer didn´t bother to mention that the main gun of the M113 and the "Stryker" is a 12,7mm MG while the BTR-82A and most of the other russian vehicles he mentioned have a 30mm auto cannon.

    Um what......? this remark is a joke right...or are you that clueless.

    Stryker's are designed to be able to switch out equipment depending on the role they are needed for...

    it can mount a 30mm chain gun or a 105mm cannon.

    The gun you are talking about is the secondary armament.
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    Post  Mindstorm Sun Dec 13, 2020 5:24 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:Um what......? this remark is a joke right...or are you that clueless.

    ……………………..

    The gun you are talking about is the secondary armament.


    It is perfectly right and you are totally wrong: 12,7 mm machine gun is the standard main weapon - not secondary one - of Stryker ICV and obviously it was horribly outgunned in comparison with anything from БТР-80А and over….

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    Post  GarryB Sun Dec 13, 2020 7:49 pm

    Have Strykers had 30mm guns fitted to all of them... the LAV III my nephew commanded had a 25mm gun, but not all strykers had them...

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    Post  Hole Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:05 pm

    NZ has 105 LAV III, modified LAV 25 with a 25mm gun.

    There are roughly 4.500 Strykers, 139 are M1128 MGS with a 105mm gun. Apart from mortar carriers the rest is equipped with 12,7mm guns or 40mm grenade launchers. Some 100 received a "turret" with a 30mm gun, more will be upgraded in 2022.

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