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    Post  Isos Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:25 pm

    Airstrikes already happened.

    The bomb totally failed. You can see the explosion radius and the MRAP is outside.

    However I disagree with you Seig, if it exploded under the car it would have destroyed it. That was bigger than a mine. But they would have hard time making it explode under one because the road is empty and clean, the bomb would be spotted.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:39 pm

    Isos wrote:Airstrikes already happened.

    The bomb totally failed. You can see the explosion radius and the MRAP is outside.

    However I disagree with you Seig, if it exploded under the car it would have destroyed it. That was bigger than a mine. But they would have hard time making it explode under one because the road is empty and clean, the bomb would be spotted.

    Eh a big enough mine can take out an MRAP, it depends how big it is.

    I use the word mine very loosely in this context, rats have a habit of putting large amounts of explosives underground not just a standard mine but even a standard mine can still take out an MRAP if it gets lucky hit.

    There is a difference in war between what you read and what people do on the field.

    But yes that wasn't a mine, I never said it was. It was a remotely detonated car comb.

    Also watch the video you will notice just barely there is a second vehicle right next to the explosion you can barely see it but it's there.

    How would an MRAP have detected a bomb hidden from visual sight.....? Russian MRAPs don't have some magic device that lets them detect explosives like a sensor....

    You do realize insurgents are reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealllllllly good at hiding bombs right? It's one of the few skills they have that are top notch. Like hey put these things in places you'd never expect.


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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:52 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
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    ultimatewarrior wrote:Car bomb hit Russian convoy on Erdogan controlled M4. Multiple injuries reported. You can thank Putin for that. Putin is in bed with Erdogan who hates Russia. Sooner or later Russians will die on M4 and it won't be pretty.

    Okay, you are clueless,

    One of the understatements of the day. Not only are is UW clueless but he is also a menace.

    There are people reading this thread who are not able to sort the wheat from the chaff in the comments, who might well take most comments here as factual. Now your latest comment is a bit up the wall so they hopefully just put you down as an idiot.

    But that is not my point, by making comments like that, not you first, you are adversely affecting the validity of what others say here. So can I please plead with you to take a more considered view rather that just spouting what comes first into your head like a teenager on a promise.

    Following that incident I have little doubt that many terrorists met their virgins today well before they expected, courtesy of the RuAF.

    A considered view of what exactly? referring to him as clueless or that situation with the patrol?.

    Erdo doesn't have full control over his rats, attacks like these are going to happen and happen. It's no secret the various terrorist groups in Syria aren't happy at all with this truce.

    They have made dozens and dozens of attempts to start the conflict back up, their plan is to have Erdo fight back the SAA so they can reclaim ground.

    As they know Putin will not deploy ground forces and the SAA cannot hope to fight the Turkish Army. So Putin just responding with a small attack is the correct play.

    people here think Putin cares about liberating all of Syria, he doesn't at all his objects are to maintain enough territory for the SAA and keep a foothold in the area, which has done. He is more than fine with letting Erdo have Idlib areas. Just like he is fine with us chilling in the areas of Syria we are in, long as we let him have his cake, he is fine with us having ours.

    But at the same time he doesn't want this fighting going on forever, he doesn't want to be dragged into some decades-long war.

    Factually speaking everything I said is correct to him
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    Post  Isos Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:04 pm

    How would an MRAP have detected a bomb hidden from visual sight.....? Russian MRAPs don't have some magic device that lets them detect explosives like a sensor....

    You do realize insurgents are reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealllllllly good at hiding bombs right? It's one of the few skills they have that are top notch. Like hey put these things in places you'd never expect.


    I was talking about hiding a bomb on the road to make it explode under the MRAPs. Looking at the road it's clear and empty and any obstacle became suspect. They wouldn't run over it.

    On the sides, yeah they can hide it but it will have low impact on such vehicles.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:14 pm

    Isos wrote:
    How would an MRAP have detected a bomb hidden from visual sight.....? Russian MRAPs don't have some magic device that lets them detect explosives like a sensor....

    You do realize insurgents are reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeealllllllly good at hiding bombs right? It's one of the few skills they have that are top notch. Like hey put these things in places you'd never expect.


    I was talking about hiding a bomb on the road to make it explode under the MRAPs. Looking at the road it's clear and empty and any obstacle became suspect. They wouldn't run over it.

    On the sides, yeah they can hide it but it will have low impact on such vehicles.

    No, we have found bombs buried very well. the ground looks fine. Again there is a difference between what you read is the case and operation experience.

    This is actually one of the main reasons we nor the Russian close civilians off roads we patrol because that traffic starts way sooner so if they did bury a bomb during the night a civilian car will set it off.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:24 pm

    Keep in mind the rebels are on Erdogan's payroll. They don't target Turks on M4. They only target Russians. Sure today there are injuries and a few airstrikes as payback, but down the road there will be deaths if Putin does not give the go ahead to take M4 from Erdogan. It is understandable Putin can't afford a break of relation with Erdogan which = a F-35 armed Turkey at Russia's doorstep, but sacrificing Russian servicemen on M4 = highway of death is not a long term strategy either. You can say Putin is in between a rock and a hard place.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:27 pm

    ultimatewarrior wrote:Keep in mind the rebels are on Erdogan's payroll. They don't target Turks on M4. They only target Russians. Sure today there are injuries and a few airstrikes as payback, but down the road there will be deaths if Putin does not give the go ahead to take M4 from Erdogan. It is understandable Putin can't afford a break of relation with Erdogan which = a F-35 armed Turkey at Russia's doorstep, but sacrificing Russian servicemen on M4 = highway of death is not a long term strategy either. You can say Putin is in between a rock and a hard place.

    Oh but they do, not directly but some attacks they carry out have Turks in the crossfire. I invite you to come to Syria and live reality, soldiers die that is a fact. The only way to prevent that is not to send any in, but once you do lives will be lost there is no stopping this.

    That is just the nature of any conflict.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:21 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    Factually speaking everything I said is correct to him
    Sorry if you thought any of my comments were aimed at your comments, I couldn't have written them well. I pretty much agree with all you say.

    My beef is with some of UW's comments that come across ill considered. The bit that upsets me is that he also writes good comments too.
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    Post  Cyberspec Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:50 pm

    A BTR-82 was struck as well as a Turkish vehicle...maybe a Kipri

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:54 pm

    Can a BTR-82 be regarded as an MRAP?
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    Post  Isos Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:06 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Can a BTR-82 be regarded as an MRAP?

    No.

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:15 pm

    The video embedded at this SouthFront link shows either a Minibus or a large SUV powering in from the right into the convoy and then detonating, not on impact but as a guess between the Russian and Turkish vehicles.

    This was a SVBIED attack not a car bomb or hidden IED.

    https://southfront.org/first-person-video-shows-moment-of-car-bomb-attack-on-turkish-russian-convoy-in-syrias-idlib/
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:26 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:Keep in mind the rebels are on Erdogan's payroll. They don't target Turks on M4. They only target Russians. Sure today there are injuries and a few airstrikes as payback, but down the road there will be deaths if Putin does not give the go ahead to take M4 from Erdogan. It is understandable Putin can't afford a break of relation with Erdogan which = a F-35 armed Turkey at Russia's doorstep, but sacrificing Russian servicemen on M4 = highway of death is not a long term strategy either. You can say Putin is in between a rock and a hard place.

    Oh but they do, not directly but some attacks they carry out have Turks in the crossfire. I invite you to come to Syria and live reality, soldiers die that is a fact. The only way to prevent that is not to send any in, but once you do lives will be lost there is no stopping this.

    That is just the nature of any conflict.

    Depends on how you use your men. Use your men wisely and you won't lose men. In the case of Turkey they lost very few men in Idlib and Libya. In Libya just about all their men lost where from a single strike on Saraqib. In Libya they arguably lost no men. Their use of drones also helps reduce casualties whereas Russians lost some pilots when Su-25 and Su-30 and Mi-28 crashed in Syria.
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Tue Jul 14, 2020 11:30 pm

    The video very clearly shows the Erdogan backed terrorists clearly targeted the Russian BTR instead of the Turkish Kirpi which was following behind. Anyone who don't see this is clearly blind. Hence the Russian casualties and no Turkish casualty. Erdogan is a huge Russia hater and a religious fanatic. I understand Putin can't afford F-35 Turkey at Russia's doorstep but it's going to happen sooner or later anyway and nothing Putin can do to change that so rather than sacrificing Russian servicemen on M4 to appease Erdogan it's better to green light SAA to take M4 which is what I would do if I were Putin.

    https://twitter.com/ynms79797979/status/1283132755543556101?cxt=HHwWioC83auczc4jAAAA
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:18 am

    ultimatewarrior wrote:The video very clearly shows the Erdogan backed terrorists clearly targeted the Russian BTR instead of the Turkish Kirpi which was following behind. Anyone who don't see this is clearly blind. Hence the Russian casualties and no Turkish casualty.
    If you can see that in those videos you are a better man than me Gunga Din. I stand in awe in the company of someone like yourself with Superman quality eyesight.

    From the size of the explosion that was a significant SVBIED, I make no claim to be an expert but I would have thought that, had it gone off close to the BTR, they would still be looking for parts of it. It didn't even blow the tyres or scorch the paint in the photos I've seen. Check out the photo in post 264 above.

    By the way, you obviously didn't notice that along with the three Russian casualties that there was a Turk injured too. Keep up.
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 15, 2020 1:22 am

    Cyberspec wrote:A BTR-82 was struck as well as a Turkish vehicle...maybe a Kipri

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec6dsPCUcAImBY7?format=jpg&name=medium

    One of these those jihadists will not flub the ops and when that happens Russian public will be wondering why military thought it was better to sacrifice half a dozen soldiers in that ancient Soviet bucket instead of just letting them use MRAPs

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:42 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Cyberspec wrote:A BTR-82 was struck as well as a Turkish vehicle...maybe a Kipri

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec6dsPCUcAImBY7?format=jpg&name=medium

    One of these those jihadists will not flub the ops and when that happens Russian public will be wondering why military thought it was better to sacrifice half a dozen soldiers in that ancient Soviet bucket instead of just letting them use MRAPs


    The BTR looks like it protected the crew none of the armor of blown out or in and just the surface is scratched.

    The vehicle did its job from what I can see.
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    Post  SeigSoloyvov Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:44 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    ultimatewarrior wrote:The video very clearly shows the Erdogan backed terrorists clearly targeted the Russian BTR instead of the Turkish Kirpi which was following behind. Anyone who don't see this is clearly blind. Hence the Russian casualties and no Turkish casualty.
    If you can see that in those videos you are a better man than me Gunga Din. I stand in awe in the company of someone like yourself with Superman quality eyesight.

    From the size of the explosion that was a significant SVBIED, I make no claim to be an expert but I would have thought that, had it gone off close to the BTR, they would still be looking for parts of it. It didn't even blow the tyres or scorch the paint in the photos I've seen. Check out the photo in post 264 above.

    By the way, you obviously didn't notice that along with the three Russian casualties that there was a Turk injured too. Keep up.

    I didn't see any Russians casualties reported just minor injuries
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    Post  ultimatewarrior Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:22 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
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    Cyberspec wrote:A BTR-82 was struck as well as a Turkish vehicle...maybe a Kipri

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec6dsPCUcAImBY7?format=jpg&name=medium

    One of these those jihadists will not flub the ops and when that happens Russian public will be wondering why military thought it was better to sacrifice half a dozen soldiers in that ancient Soviet bucket instead of just letting them use MRAPs


    The BTR looks like it protected the crew none of the armor of blown out or in and just the surface is scratched.

    The vehicle did its job from what I can see.

    BTR-82A entered service a few years ago. Its armor is vastly superior to that of 1980s BTR-80. SVBIED cannot take down BTR-82A unless from point blank range.
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Jul 15, 2020 9:45 am

    It's not a MRAP but it is better armoured than the previous model (BTR-80). If I remember correctly  it has a strengthen structure, additional layer  inside to prevent splinters and reinforced floor...they're suppose to start receiving the new BTR-82AM soon

    Here's why they use BTR's

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    Here's a pic of the Kipri

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:09 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:

    I didn't see any Russians casualties reported just minor injuries
    Its semantics. To me as a civilian, casualties are people with injuries. It was reported that the three Russians were CASEVAC'd out to Hmeimim, QED they are casualties.
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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:32 am

    You can't compare btr and MRAPs. That's two different vehicles.
    Btr isn't suited to fight guerillas because it's not well protected against them (IED, rpg from all sides ...).
    MRAP can't fight a conventional army. It can be spoted 5 km away. It's as big as a house. It's main role is to protect the infantry inside against guerillas type attacks.
    Btr is small and a hard target for enemy armor but also has a big gun to use against enemy vehicles.

    Vehicles build to fight a conventional army are designed keeping in mind the enemy is in front of them. Guerillas attack from all sides. That's why you don't use a tank like t-72 to fight in cities. It has a very good protection in the front but guerillas will attack it on the side or top and make it explode easily.


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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:34 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    Its semantics. To me as a civilian, casualties are people with injuries. It was reported that the three Russians were CASEVAC'd out to Hmeimim, QED they are casualties.

    Video of the wounded Russians below....they're all walking so light injuries
    https://twitter.com/serious_war/status/1283307796839227392

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:02 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:
    Its semantics. To me as a civilian, casualties are people with injuries. It was reported that the three Russians were CASEVAC'd out to Hmeimim, QED they are casualties.

    Video of the wounded Russians below....they're all walking so light injuries
    https://twitter.com/serious_war/status/1283307796839227392
    That makes sense, initial removal from the scene in the more spacious TA MRAP and possibly medical treatment by Turks also. Head and arm damage, presumably thrown forward. From the crowd it was a well publicised handover. Army bonding!

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    Post  ultimatewarrior Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:41 pm

    Ariha is the biggest breeding ground of terrorists near M4. If Putin does not green light op to take Ariha from Erdogan then attacks on Russian convoys on M4 will be more frequent and more deadly.

    https://twitter.com/ynms79797979/status/1283314247657807873

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