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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14

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    Post  Mir Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:05 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Meanwhile 5 Ropucha-class landing ships and 1 Ivan Gren-class landing ship are now in the English Channel on their way from the Baltic fleet to, at a guess, the Black Sea.

    Are they going to support a landing force around Odessa, or similar, or are they off to help out the Syrian Express?
    Interesting that an Ivor Gren is among them. First time our of the Baltic.
    The photos show the Ropucha as fairly well loaded, they don't look empty, so first stop Tartus?

    I suspect this lot is rather going to deliver some belated Christmas gifts for the Syrian people to better defend against these type of attacks from the US/Israelis.

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    Post  Krepost Sun Jan 23, 2022 7:56 pm

    Orekhovo-Zuevo is now in the Miditerranean.
    It has joined its sister Vichny-Volochek there.
    (Note that there are 3 Kilo class subs in the Med. at the same time.
    Lots of KALIBR firepower.


    In addition the pr.12700 minesweeper Vladimir Yemelyaev and the large tug Sergey Balk have also gone there:
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    Post  Isos Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:06 pm

    Russia deployed mig-29SMTs at syrian T4 base in Syria.

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    Post  JohninMK Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:19 pm

    We might see the Pacific Fleet’s Varyag missile cruiser and its group join up with that super tug.
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    Post  Krepost Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:56 am

    To put things in perspective:
    This is from January 21st.
    It is prior to the crossing of the minesweeper and Large Tug into the Mediterranean.

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    Post  Hole Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:30 pm

    Wouldn´t be to surprised if Syria is visited by a few MiG-31K and Tu-22M3 bombers in the next days.
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    Post  George1 Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:58 pm

    The first joint patrol of aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian Air Force took place in the airspace of this country. The fighter jets of the two countries passed along the borders of the Syrian Arab Republic. This is reported by the Ministry of Defense of Russia.

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:54 pm

    That's a power grouping in CAP

    Su34 can have R77SD and Su35 , with A50U giving coordinates to missiles.

    Syrian Mig 23 and Mig 29 could also be integrated or just provide close in defense against interceptors

    Either way that is a good way to keep IDF out of the airspace

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    Post  Arkanghelsk Mon Jan 24, 2022 4:55 pm

    Isos wrote:Russia deployed mig-29SMTs at syrian T4 base in Syria.

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    It is interesting to see Mig29SMT and Mig29 deployed on Russian foreign bases like Syria and Libya. 

    It seems Mig29 is suitable for these deployments in desert environment. Mig 35 could also be very capable addition for these groupings

    I think someone here mentioned Mig29SMT was not receiving information from S400 radar?

    Why is this so, mig29 possess datalinks so why is this assumption made
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:54 pm

    Arkanghelsk wrote:
    Isos wrote:Russia deployed mig-29SMTs at syrian T4 base in Syria.

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    It is interesting to see Mig29SMT and Mig29 deployed on Russian foreign bases like Syria and Libya. 

    It seems Mig29 is suitable for these deployments in desert environment. Mig 35 could also be very capable addition for these groupings

    I think someone here mentioned Mig29SMT was not receiving information from S400 radar?

    Why is this so, mig29 possess datalinks so why is this assumption made

    It would be assumed because no one outside of Russian military itself would be aware.

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    Post  Isos Mon Jan 24, 2022 7:14 pm

    Russia isn't happy with the range and the radar of migs. They want the mig-35 with AESA because it has a great range (1000km) compare to mig-29 (which had an effective radius of 300km) and the aesa radar is quoted to be avove 200km (they said 260km for the last generation) compare to 120km for the older Zukh M.

    Mig 29 was already designed to be connected to the IADS. It was the main goal actually since like their other interceptor it was supposed to do GCI (ground controled interceptions).

    But now they want fighters that can be on their own. So they need good radar and good range. Something the mig-29 can't do. Mig-35 can.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:06 am

    Well to be fair, the MiG-29 doesn't but could be upgraded to if they wanted to spend money on them, but I suspect they prefer to spend the money on new MiG-35s instead of further upgrades for the MiG-29SMTs.

    If they were MiG-29M or MiG-29K or MiG-35s they would be fine, but the MiG-29SMTs are essentially previous generation aircraft.

    Operationally in a flight with Su-30SMs they are fine... the Flanker would use its radar and the MiGs could zoom climb to launch their AAMs for max reach, but it looks like they want to spend a bit more and get better Fulcrums.
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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:33 pm

    Surely in Syria, a special case for the RuAF, they will just be using them as bomb trucks operating much closer to the targets out of T4, reducing the pressure on the Su's at Hmeimim?
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    Post  Isos Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:49 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Surely in Syria, a special case for the RuAF, they will just be using them as bomb trucks operating much closer to the targets out of T4, reducing the pressure on the Su's at Hmeimim?

    It has more to do with US and French carriers in the Med.

    Most likely we will also see mig-31 with Kinzhal.
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    Post  medo Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:00 pm

    MiG-29SMT have data link with GCI as all MiG-29 fighter. But it doesn't have IFDL to coordinate and share with other fighters. MiG-29K and MiG-29M/35 got IFDL.

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    Post  Isos Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:38 pm

    medo wrote:MiG-29SMT have data link with GCI as all MiG-29 fighter. But it doesn't have IFDL to coordinate and share with other fighters. MiG-29K and MiG-29M/35 got IFDL.

    Well I remember seeing that su-30, at least the first ones, had a role of awacs for mig-29 and they could C&C a dozen during a flight. So they may have a datalink but not necessarly the last versions. Maybe they can just link between them and some fighters.
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    Post  medo Tue Jan 25, 2022 8:51 pm

    Isos wrote:
    medo wrote:MiG-29SMT have data link with GCI as all MiG-29 fighter. But it doesn't have IFDL to coordinate and share with other fighters. MiG-29K and MiG-29M/35 got IFDL.

    Well I remember seeing that su-30, at least the first ones, had a role of awacs for mig-29 and they could C&C a dozen during a flight. So they may have a datalink but not necessarly the last versions. Maybe they can just link between them and some fighters.

    That first Su-30K was meant to be flying command post for air defense fighter aviation (IA PVO) and should work with Su-27 and MiG-31 and both have IFDL as standard equipment. MiG-29 was short range fighter, which always work inside range of GCI, while bigger Su-27 and MiG-31 with long range worked outside that range and were connected with AWACS A-50 and between each other with IFDL.

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    Post  Krepost Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:01 pm

    Russian/Syrian joint patrol
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Jan 27, 2022 11:22 pm

    The first two Rupocha and the Ivan Gren are now in the Med.

    I put this here as there is a possibility Tartus is their first stop.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:49 pm

    Making a point or practicing for the future, with a bit more of an eastern loop?

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:51 pm

    JohninMK wrote:The first two Rupocha and the Ivan Gren are now in the Med.

    I put this here as there is a possibility Tartus is their first stop.

    All six now at least 2 days in. First group believed to be a day ahead of the other so getting closer to the point where the destination becomes clear.

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    Post  headshot69 Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:51 pm

    George1 wrote:The first joint patrol of aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the Syrian Air Force took place in the airspace of this country. The fighter jets of the two countries passed along the borders of the Syrian Arab Republic. This is reported by the Ministry of Defense of Russia.

    https://en.topwar.ru/191486-pervoe-sovmestnoe-patrulirovanie-rossijskoj-i-sirijskoj-boevoj-aviacii-proshlo-v-nebe-sirii.html

    ...Syrian A/Cs were with no armament(maybe except gun)

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    Post  JohninMK Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:43 pm

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    The Russian MoD said the Northern and Baltic Fleet's Pyotr Morgunov, Georgy Pobedonosets, Olenegorsky Gornyak, Korolev, Minsk, and Kaliningrad large landing ships have arrived at Russia's naval base in Tartus, Syria before conducting an exercise.


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    Post  Krepost Fri Feb 04, 2022 10:15 pm

    PIOTR MORGUNOV in Tartous
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    Post  Krepost Sun Feb 06, 2022 5:00 am

    In the bottom video, look carefully at the loading of the ship with water, eggs etc.
    There are lots of Naval infantry soldiers on board. Lots of them. I bet they have BTR-82s ready in the hull.
    Means that they are on a mission.
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