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    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14

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    Post  Mir Mon Aug 23, 2021 9:27 pm

    Mindstorm wrote:
    Mir wrote:It seems like most of the Israeli attacks are launched from Lebanese airspace. I think it is high time to spring a trap and down a few launchers now that they are capable of shooting down most missiles. A couple of pics of downed F35's and F-16's posted here would be a welcome addition. Laughing

    Israeli territory cannot be attacked today and was never directly and deeply attacked in the past for the same reason it attempt, in any way and with any mean, to prevent Iran to acquire a similar capability: partial nuclear offensive capability and the political will and unity to employ this nulcear option if attacks aimed at destroy its conventional offensive potential  would be carried out in its territory by any of its conventional armed neighbouring nation.

    This is truly an open secret in the Middle East theatre and allow the technologically advanced, but anyhow very tiny state of Israel ,effectively devoid of the necessary geographical deepness and stand-off distances to resist enemy counterattacks both air and ground based, to play safely and continously the role of the attacker without any fear that its exposed infrastructural basis for its offensive potential would be eliminated by enemy attacks.

    Any nation of the area know that the "red line" in place lie in offensive operations that ,at maximum, can involve peripheral/contested territory or limited to the line of clash.

    Highly focused attacks against the concentrated cluster of Israeli Military Industrial Complex, barrel artillery area saturation attack against theris main airfields, large scale armoured/meachanized breakthrough operation in Isreali territory or UAV/cruise missiles/ballistic missiles attacks against theirs command bases, main radar bases or PGM depots are well beyond this red line and will be immediately responded with a demonstrative initial tactical nuclear strike on the most critical infrastructure of enemy territory.

    This is the hard reality of that theatre since '70 years ,and none will see ,still today, any of the conventionally armed nation of the area attempt any strange idea against Israel, it is simply out of question.

    I agree but also Israel had the backing of the US elite - mostly because the relatively small Jewish population in the US has an enormous amount of lobbying power ($). So if you bully the smaller brother the bigger one will come after you even if it cost the bigger brother an eye! pirat
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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:26 pm


    No harm in learning a bit of Cyrillic mind you.

    True, but the policy of the forum is that it is an English language forum so you shouldn't have to...

    Me too. Those two aren't too bad, Бук-М2Э is easy but Панцирь-С ID'd only by the C at the end and context.

    I am familiar with the letters, though sometimes I recognise the words so for Бук-М2Э I recognise the B and the K and that the Y is a yoo sort of sound so BUK... and the Панцирь-С I recognise the first letter as being a P because I have seen it in regards to the RPG and PPK... the a is the same and the H is an N sounding letter. The U with a tail is a tricky one and but I normally recognise it as being a Ts sound like in Spetsnaz or in this case Pantsir and the back to front N is an i sound and the p is an r. The C is an S and when it is the SM model the M is the same in both alphabets.

    So Pan ir-S it becomes easy to recognise Pantsir-S... when talking about air defence systems of course...

    This is the hard reality of that theatre since '70 years ,and none will see ,still today, any of the conventionally armed nation of the area attempt any strange idea against Israel, it is simply out of question.

    Totally agree.... but the constant needle attacks might lead to Israeli platforms in foreign territory to be attacked or ambushed... I would expect the delivery of a nuclear strike on Syria would come by cruise missile... which they have shown they can shoot down, or by stand off weapon launched by aircraft which have also been intercepted... see what I am getting at?

    The Israeli tactics are becoming self defeating because they are creating a Syria and also an Egypt and Iraq that will likely buy Russian air defence systems to protect themselves from Israeli attacks and when they get to the point where they are confident most things can be stopped their nuclear deterrence is what they will lose...

    Not sure if you have read out tooing and froing, but would like to highlight Johns request that you not use Cyrillic letters for Russian systems so that he can understand which systems you are talking about.

    This is an english language forum after all...

    Its their local version of MAD. Either side can now destroy the other, probably without an aircraft leaving the ground. The number, power and accuracy of modern conventional munitions is finally leveling the playing field. Plus Iran has entered the equation with its longer ranged missiles, effectively negating the IAF.

    Exactly, but unless Israel can develop an interception invulnerable method of delivering their nuclear deterrence then they are like a Russia with no navy surrounded by hundreds of AEGIS class cruisers armed with ABM missiles able to shoot down ICBMs and land based neighbours that are supporting their enemies. They need hypersonic manouvering anti ship missiles to remove the ABM threat and restore their nuclear deterrent...
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    Post  GarryB Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:28 pm


    I agree but also Israel had the backing of the US elite - mostly because the relatively small Jewish population in the US has an enormous amount of lobbying power ($). So if you bully the smaller brother the bigger one will come after you even if it cost the bigger brother an eye

    A nice kickback is always good but are they prepared to drag the US into WWIII so Israel can keep violating its neighbours airspace at will?

    Obviously the zionists... which include christian evangelests will want to save Israel for the end of world bullshit they have made up, but there will be quite a few Americans with power who are not interested in committing suicide along with Israel any time soon.
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    Post  par far Tue Aug 24, 2021 6:38 pm

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    Post  starman Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:58 am

    Mindstorm wrote:
    Highly focused attacks against the concentrated cluster of Israeli Military Industrial Complex, barrel artillery area saturation attack against theris main airfields, large scale armoured/meachanized breakthrough operation in Isreali territory or UAV/cruise missiles/ballistic missiles attacks against theirs command bases, main radar bases or PGM depots are well beyond this red line and will be immediately responded with a demonstrative initial tactical nuclear strike on the most critical infrastructure of enemy territory.

    I doubt they'd go that far immediately but preempt with conventional forces--if politically possible; it wasn't in '73.


    This is the hard reality of that theatre since '70 years ,and none will see ,still today, any of the conventionally armed nation of the area attempt any strange idea against Israel, it is simply out of question.

    Yes as matters now stand. Hopefully the future will be different. Israel also seemed invincible after '67 but the arabs showed otherwise at the start of the '73 war. Although the arabs ultimately lost even in '73 that was due to strategic incompetence, especially on the part of Sadat. It wasn't inevitable.

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:29 pm

    Russian military specialists in Syria
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    Post  d_taddei2 Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:08 am

    Apologies if already discussed. But does this report have any credit does anyone know anymore info on it.

    Russia tests FOAB in Syria back in 2017

    https://web.archive.org/web/20170912041540mp_/http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/weapons/news/a28125/rumor-russia-conventional-superbomb-syria/
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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 28, 2021 8:39 am

    Not many targets in Syria would justify such a weapon.

    Perhaps if they located a site that was making chem or bio weapons that was isolated enough to prevent civilian casualties... but it is very unlikely in my opinion.

    Syria is a great testing ground for new systems, but they can't just test everything.

    Also an explosion in enemy territory equivalent to 45 tons of HE would be noticed and would be filmed by people from all over the area... that is not something you could keep secret... and more importantly why would you want to?

    If you are using it against enemy chem or bio weapons production factories you should be proud to be destroying that shit.

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    Post  franco Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:08 pm

    https://avia-pro.net/news/v-sirii-obnaruzhen-eshchyo-odin-divizion-rossiyskih-zrk-s-400

    Another S-400 air defense system was deployed in Syria.

    Satellite images made it possible to identify in Syria another area where the S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems are located, which are under the control of the Russian military. As it turned out, the latter cover the deployment area of ​​the Syrian S-300 air defense systems - the distance between the Syrian S-300 area and the Russian S-400 area is only less than 1,5 kilometers. This allows for effective protection at various distances, and most importantly, such a deployment does not allow the United States and other NATO countries to read data from the radars of the Russian Triumphs.

    A few years earlier, the deployment area of ​​the S-400 Triumph air defense system formed a kind of triangle together with the Syrian S-300 and Russian S-400 deployed at the Khmeimim airbase. However, earlier there was information that one S-400 air defense system division at the Khmeimim airbase is quite enough to provide cover for the Russian military and the Syrian army, in connection with which the complexes were allegedly removed from the territory of Syria. As it turned out, at least four mobile launchers and two radars from the S-400 air defense system are located near Masyaf.

    Experts do not exclude that the S-400 complexes deployed here provide cover for the area from Israeli attacks. At the same time, it is known that the Russian military approached comprehensively to ensure protection and, in addition to long-range air defense systems, short-range air defense systems are also deployed here. This ensures maximum efficiency in repelling attacks.

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    Post  Regular Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:00 am

    GarryB wrote:Not many targets in Syria would justify such a weapon.

    Perhaps if they located a site that was making chem or bio weapons that was isolated enough to prevent civilian casualties... but it is very unlikely in my opinion.

    Syria is a great testing ground for new systems, but they can't just test everything.

    Also an explosion in enemy territory equivalent to 45 tons of HE would be noticed and would be filmed by people from all over the area... that is not something you could keep secret... and more importantly why would you want to?

    If you are using it against enemy chem or bio weapons production factories you should be proud to be destroying that shit.

    Very true.

    Also, there isn't much to test, FOAB was tested in Russia, it's not a new system too.

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:59 pm

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    Post  JohninMK Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:05 pm

    franco wrote:https://avia-pro.net/news/v-sirii-obnaruzhen-eshchyo-odin-divizion-rossiyskih-zrk-s-400

    Another S-400 air defense system was deployed in Syria.

    Satellite images made it possible to identify in Syria another area where the S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems are located, which are under the control of the Russian military. As it turned out, the latter cover the deployment area of ​​the Syrian S-300 air defense systems - the distance between the Syrian S-300 area and the Russian S-400 area is only less than 1,5 kilometers. This allows for effective protection at various distances, and most importantly, such a deployment does not allow the United States and other NATO countries to read data from the radars of the Russian Triumphs.

    A few years earlier, the deployment area of ​​the S-400 Triumph air defense system formed a kind of triangle together with the Syrian S-300 and Russian S-400 deployed at the Khmeimim airbase. However, earlier there was information that one S-400 air defense system division at the Khmeimim airbase is quite enough to provide cover for the Russian military and the Syrian army, in connection with which the complexes were allegedly removed from the territory of Syria. As it turned out, at least four mobile launchers and two radars from the S-400 air defense system are located near Masyaf.

    Experts do not exclude that the S-400 complexes deployed here provide cover for the area from Israeli attacks. At the same time, it is known that the Russian military approached comprehensively to ensure protection and, in addition to long-range air defense systems, short-range air defense systems are also deployed here. This ensures maximum efficiency in repelling attacks.


    Not sure if this is news.

    The RuAF's S-400 in Hmeimen, S-300 in Tartous and S-400 up in the Masyaf hills next to the SyAF S-300 have all been there quite a time. Is there a new 3rd S-400 out there now? That would be news.
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    Post  franco Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:35 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    franco wrote:https://avia-pro.net/news/v-sirii-obnaruzhen-eshchyo-odin-divizion-rossiyskih-zrk-s-400

    Another S-400 air defense system was deployed in Syria.

    Satellite images made it possible to identify in Syria another area where the S-400 anti-aircraft missile systems are located, which are under the control of the Russian military. As it turned out, the latter cover the deployment area of ​​the Syrian S-300 air defense systems - the distance between the Syrian S-300 area and the Russian S-400 area is only less than 1,5 kilometers. This allows for effective protection at various distances, and most importantly, such a deployment does not allow the United States and other NATO countries to read data from the radars of the Russian Triumphs.

    A few years earlier, the deployment area of ​​the S-400 Triumph air defense system formed a kind of triangle together with the Syrian S-300 and Russian S-400 deployed at the Khmeimim airbase. However, earlier there was information that one S-400 air defense system division at the Khmeimim airbase is quite enough to provide cover for the Russian military and the Syrian army, in connection with which the complexes were allegedly removed from the territory of Syria. As it turned out, at least four mobile launchers and two radars from the S-400 air defense system are located near Masyaf.

    Experts do not exclude that the S-400 complexes deployed here provide cover for the area from Israeli attacks. At the same time, it is known that the Russian military approached comprehensively to ensure protection and, in addition to long-range air defense systems, short-range air defense systems are also deployed here. This ensures maximum efficiency in repelling attacks.


    Not sure if this is news.

    The RuAF's S-400 in Hmeimen, S-300 in Tartous and S-400 up in the Masyaf hills next to the SyAF S-300 have all been there quite a time. Is there a new 3rd S-400 out there now? That would be news.

    Yeah your right. Definitely in the needs more confirmation category. Embarassed

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Wed Sep 01, 2021 3:44 pm

    A Russian Special Forces soldier sets up a Russian flag in the city of Daraa, in an area recently controlled by militants.
    Today, the city will completely come under the control of the Syrian government. The remnants of the militants will surrender or be resettled on green buses to the north of Syria.
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:40 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:A Russian Special Forces soldier sets up a Russian flag in the city of Daraa, in an area recently controlled by militants.
    Today, the city will completely come under the control of the Syrian government. The remnants of the militants will surrender or be resettled on green buses to the north of Syria.

    Far too optimistic, this will drag on for a while yet, it is a big area.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 02, 2021 4:47 am

    Good... it would be better to kill them than to let them flee to the north...

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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:14 pm

    Russians in Daraa:
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    Post  flamming_python Thu Sep 02, 2021 5:00 pm

    Rosgvardia?
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    Post  Russian_Patriot_ Thu Sep 02, 2021 6:44 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Rosgvardia?
    Yes
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    An interesting version of the Tiger on the roads of Syria
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14 - Page 24 Erbodv10

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Sep 04, 2021 5:01 am

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:An interesting version of the Tiger on the roads of Syria
    Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #14 - Page 24 Erbodv10

    Anti-rock version Wink

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    Post  mavaff Sat Sep 04, 2021 6:46 am

    this is an interesting handle to follow for news on Wagner and other Russian forces in Syria but not only there.

    https://nitter.database.red/RS0TM

    when you scroll down quite a bit you can find he is bashing Bayaktar saying they are basically crap compared to US UAVs.

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    T-90A in Syria
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    Post  JohninMK Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:57 pm

    Russian_Patriot_ wrote:T-90A in Syria

    New role to add to the sales brochure, cattle herder Laughing Laughing
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    More photos of Russians in Daraa
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