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    Post  par far Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:31 pm

    Hole wrote:Nazinyahoo is bombing empty houses to score political points at home. If iranian forces were hit Iran would send his own air defence systems to Syria.



    We don't really know what is going on, I tend not believe anything from Syria, unless it is confirmed by Russian sources.

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    Post  nomadski Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:36 pm

    "..... Russia has nuclear bomb but that did not stop Ukraine from going to shit, the US has nuclear bomb but the US still got their asses handed to them by the Taliban and India has a nuclear bomb but they still can't scare a tiny Nepal and get the border dispute in their favor...... "

    These are all true, and much more. I did not say that  all war or conflict will be eliminated . But it looks like, they will remain at a local or sub-critical level. The correct example are India and Pakistan. Never developing into full scale conventional war, causing the death of millions and becoming an existential threat to nations.  Both sides will escalate, and then as the casualties and risk of annihilation grows, then this causes a deescalation. Other examples you mentioned, involve situations, where it is not Nuclear situation. Both sides must possess them. And it is the Afghans and Iraqi and Libyan and Syrian that had their assets handed to them. The Yanks suffered acceptable casualties of about 5000 for nation of 300000000. These countries suffered 2000000 for population of.? With economic damage of ?



    Good idea about  establishing facts first, from many reliable sources. And then arriving at a conclusion. The Internet and YouTube has turned into a sea of disinformation and propaganda and conspiracy theories. Better only believe a story, confirmed by many news agencies. The lowest common denominator.

    Also about BW, none will destroy enemy Nuke silo. The other side free to destroy all hard targets and soft targets and then even finding a cure. Plutonium half life is 50000 years and is the most poisonous substance known to man. So it is both a NW and  CW  and by causing many cancers also a BW. And it destroys all hard unprotected targets.
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    Post  crod Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:31 am

    JohninMK wrote:
    par far wrote:
    Who is Maggie?
    Maggie Thatcher, our Prime Minister in the 70s and 80s. Transformed our economy.

    Yes and no....
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    Post  crod Sat Feb 06, 2021 6:37 am

    Hole wrote:Nazinyahoo is bombing empty houses to score political points at home. If iranian forces were hit Iran would send his own air defence systems to Syria.

    Though I have ZERO evidence to back my belief, I think you’re talking nonsense and israel is hitting what they have intelligence on and they have vast intelligence networks.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:04 pm

    #Syria | Russian forces at Qamishli airbase
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    https://twitter.com/r_u_vid/status/1357820780797587456
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    Post  GarryB Tue Feb 09, 2021 1:09 am

    Though I have ZERO evidence to back my belief, I think you’re talking nonsense and israel is hitting what they have intelligence on and they have vast intelligence networks.

    Part of an intelligence system that tells us Saddam had WMDs and Iran is 15 minutes from a nuclear weapon if we don't stop them.

    I rather suspect the facts are flexible to ensure what they want happens.

    A warehouse in Syria with things a rival businessman owns, so you tell the Israelis Iran is building weapons there and a couple of days later the building goes boom and one less rival for your business...

    Spies give information all the time but often for very different reasons but almost never exclusively to help because it is the right thing to do.

    Muj in Afghanistan when the Soviets were there would often form a short term alliance with Soviet troops to attack a rival group in the next village... and it was often these muj groups that were better fighters than the Afghan government troops who often just decided to go home and would wander off. Perhaps a year or two later they would reappear in their unit and get back pay... very odd...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:28 am

    Russian air defense systems repel an attack on Khmeimim airbase in Syria

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    Post  par far Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:04 pm

    "Russian Loitering Munition Destroyed Turkistan Militants’ Vehicle In Syria’s Lattakia (Video)"


    https://southfront.org/russian-loitering-munition-destroyed-turkistan-militants-vehicle-in-syrias-lattakia-video/

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    Post  par far Sun Feb 14, 2021 2:37 pm

    "Russia To Develop Syria’s Hmeimim Air Base To Receive Nuclear Bombers – Report"


    What is the purpose of this, could long range bombers, not just fly from Russia ?

    https://southfront.org/russia-to-develop-syrias-hmeimim-air-base-to-receive-nuclear-bombers-report/
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:19 pm

    I suspect that if that is the objective (as opposed to just increasing the safe operating envelope of large transports at high temperatures) it is to increase NATO's operating complexities over the Mediterranean and beyond.

    Having say, Tu-95 or even Tu-142, roaming over the Med without having to cross Turkey or Iran everytime to get there would pose another unexpected workload on NATO Allied Joint Force Command Naples. A counter to the P-8. Add to that the option to cruise Tu-22M or 160 to Gibraltar and back.

    All of which would impose Rapid Reaction tasks on the Spanish, French and Italian Air Forces that they only face when on detachment up in the Baltic currently. Imagine the reaction of the French to a  Bear site seeing around Sardinia.

    Negotiate refueling in say Algeria to the mix and those with the range could pop across to Cuba/Venezuela. Maybe, with Egypt overfly permission, a cruise down the Red Sea.

    Now that Russia is back in a position to exploit it, this is one of the long term strategic benefits of a base in Syria.

    Bit of a US/NATO nightmare really.

    Then, for the icing on the cake, if they base a nuclear sub in Tartous...............................apoplectic fit in Washington.

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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 14, 2021 7:11 pm

    They can also monitor NATO navies with tu-142 and pose a threat with tu-22M and kinzhal.

    They are faster than ships to get near nato border from Tartus.

    Also that bypasses US ABM in eastern europe.

    Nato radar coverage over Europe isn't really adapted for south flank monitoring of cruise missile attack.

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    Post  par far Sun Feb 14, 2021 9:18 pm

    JohninMK wrote:I suspect that if that is the objective (as opposed to just increasing the safe operating envelope of large transports at high temperatures) it is to increase NATO's operating complexities over the Mediterranean and beyond.

    Having say, Tu-95 or even Tu-142, roaming over the Med without having to cross Turkey or Iran everytime to get there would pose another unexpected workload on NATO Allied Joint Force Command Naples. A counter to the P-8. Add to that the option to cruise Tu-22M or 160 to Gibraltar and back.

    All of which would impose Rapid Reaction tasks on the Spanish, French and Italian Air Forces that they only face when on detachment up in the Baltic currently. Imagine the reaction of the French to a  Bear site seeing around Sardinia.

    Negotiate refueling in say Algeria to the mix and those with the range could pop across to Cuba/Venezuela. Maybe, with Egypt overfly permission, a cruise down the Red Sea.

    Now that Russia is back in a position to exploit it, this is one of the long term strategic benefits of a base in Syria.

    Bit of a US/NATO nightmare really.

    Then, for the icing on the cake, if they base a nuclear sub in Tartous...............................apoplectic fit in Washington.



    Thanks for the good information.

    We know that the runway is getting bigger but will the bombers need special hangers? Or other special infrastructure? And when/if the bombers do go on missions from Syria, will they need to be escorted by fighter jets?(Su 30sm or Su35s.)

    Also what are the chances we see Mig 35 in Syria?
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    Post  GarryB Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:02 am

    What is the purpose of this, could long range bombers, not just fly from Russia ?

    Probably as a response to US nuclear weapons in Turkey and nuclear weapons in Israel... I suspect more directed at the US... so perhaps a you withdraw nukes from Turkey and we wont deploy any to Syria type deal.

    It would make little sense to deploy strategic nuclear bombers there... to vulnerable and no closer to targets than aircraft inside the enormous Russian air defence network.

    Having say, Tu-95 or even Tu-142, roaming over the Med without having to cross Turkey or Iran everytime to get there would pose another unexpected workload on NATO Allied Joint Force Command Naples. A counter to the P-8. Add to that the option to cruise Tu-22M or 160 to Gibraltar and back.

    I suspect Tu-22m3s with 24 ton payloads could no visit places all through Syria and deliver presents... places it could not deliver before.

    It could probably also deliver a better variety of presents including FAB-3000s for targets that were good all year and deserve them.

    Bit of a US/NATO nightmare really.

    Their increased activity in the Arctic and Black Sea... they were asking for it... Smile


    We know that the runway is getting bigger but will the bombers need special hangers? Or other special infrastructure? And when/if the bombers do go on missions from Syria, will they need to be escorted by fighter jets?(Su 30sm or Su35s.)

    I rather suspect the first bombers they operate will be Backfires and their job will be against targets in Syria with larger bomb loads and shorter flight times and they will likely be fully escorted. They are developing an enormous range of new glide bombs like Grom etc that will need to be tested... and larger conventional bombs could be carried in useful numbers by the bigger aircraft.

    Also what are the chances we see Mig 35 in Syria?

    Certain... they will want to test them operationally... they will want to get numbers made before releasing a few for testing in Syria so perhaps the end of the year maybe.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Feb 17, 2021 6:16 pm

    #Syria #RussianArmy
    #Avtobaza_M EW system observed at #Khemeim airbase for the 1st time. It's an passive EW system that entered service in 2016. Description in link.
    https://www.deagel.com/Tactical%20Vehicles/1L222%20Avtobaza/a002725
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    https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1361446303062917126

    Very useful if trying to triangulate the direction/source of suicide drone attacks.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Feb 18, 2021 6:21 pm

    Here cometh the Spring buildup. Whether against the Turks or US is currently unknown.

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    #RuAF Tupolev Tu-154M heading towards Khmeimim Air Base in Syria via Capsian Sea, Iran and Iraq. The Tupolev Tu-154M (which is used as a leading aircraft, escorting the groupings of combat jets) to Khmeimim AB was connected to the strengthening of the Russian air contingent in Syria, not just a rotation.

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    Post  JohninMK Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:21 pm

    Looks correct

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    UPD: Tu-154M board goes back through Turkey. This means that there was NOT a rotation, but an amplification. Several units of combat aviation were added to Hmeimim.
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    Post  JohninMK Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:30 pm

    Maybe Russia has had enough.

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    In an interview with Kommersant

    Russian President in Syria Lavrentiev said on Wednesday that Israeli offensive actions (Air Force) could lead to retaliatory strikes from Damascus:“These raids must stop. Sooner or later, the patience of the Syrian government may run out. ”

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    Post  Isos Fri Feb 19, 2021 9:45 pm

    Mig-29SMT in Hmeimim.

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:14 am

    JohninMK wrote:Maybe Russia has had enough.

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    In an interview with Kommersant

    Russian President in Syria Lavrentiev said on Wednesday that Israeli offensive actions (Air Force) could lead to retaliatory strikes from Damascus:“These raids must stop. Sooner or later, the patience of the Syrian government may run out. ”

    Who the f is the "Russian President in Syria"?
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:07 pm

    He is the representative of the Russian President in Syria.

    Meanwhile

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    One of the Turkish military portals writes that Russia is going to deploy strategic bombers in Syria.


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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:30 pm

    I guess it's the start of the mass use of Orion.


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    Post  PapaDragon Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:40 pm

    Isos wrote:I guess it's the start of the mass use of Orion.


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    the Orion drone was filmed taking off from T-4 airbase

    https://i.servimg.com/u/f71/19/35/56/92/euyiyf10.jpg


    NO SHIT!!?? affraid

    Hell to the yeah, baby!!! thumbsup

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    Post  Isos Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:49 pm

    Check the video shared on UAV thread. They show it using weapons and its optics.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:14 pm

    Isos wrote:I guess it's the start of the mass use of Orion.

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    Nice and convenient for their ISIS targets. Also good for monitoring their rat runs out of their breeding ground al Tanf.

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