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    Post  ahmedfire on Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:44 pm

    Turkey says one soldier killed in Syria’s Idlib


    One Turkish soldier died on Saturday after shelling by Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s regime on the last opposition holdout of Idlib, the defense ministry said.

    “One of our heroic comrades was injured as a result of tank fire by the regime on our elements who are in the Idlib region to ensure a ceasefire but fell martyr when he was being taken to a hospital,” the ministry said on Twitter.

    The latest casualty brings the number of Turkish personnel killed in clashes in Idlib this month to 17.

    Turkey has sent thousands of troops and military equipment to the region south of its border to head off a push in recent weeks by government forces to retake the opposition-held territory after nine years of war

    In a related development, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu has discussed the situation in Syria’s Idlib with his Turkish counterpart Hulusi Akar, Russian news agencies reported on Saturday.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2020/02/22/Turkey-says-one-soldier-killed-in-Syria-s-Idlib-.html
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:10 am

    ahmedfire wrote:

    Turkey says one soldier killed in Syria’s Idlib




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    Mecit Demir was likely killed in of Syrian & Russian airstrikes last night. The aristrikes destroyed nine battle tanks, APCs of Turkish forces and their proxies.


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    Post  ahmedfire on Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:30 am

    In two days , 6 turkish soldiers killed , 3 in libya and 3 in syria , well done erdogan

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:59 am

    nomadski wrote:@Vann7 I think religion in politics, in many ways does not play positive role. The reason is that religious beliefs and rules are very vague. For example, one can interpret Quranic verses in many ways. Religious belief, is like a bright light that shone a long time ago.  To confuse people with old religious text.  The problem in Iran remains lack of political party. And religion being left as only source of knowledge or reference. Syria should follow different path ..


    Syria since Assad took power.. at least.. follows a different path.. Syria is the only TRUE SECULAR nation in the
    middle east. There is full freedom of religion in Syria.. for example muslim can convert to christianity or judaism
    or any other religion if they so desire.. There is equal rights for womens in Syria.. womens can aspire to be
    President position or drive a combat plane.. there is no limits for womens in syria..they can use the clothing they desire and don't need to cover faces and there are even bikini contest in syria for women.. and beer is legal...and gays respected although is not a promoted behavior by the government. similar freedom of religion of russia.
    in traditional muslim nations.. where Islam is the law.. .. is a majoroffense to do any of those things ,and people get jail sentences or death penalty for converting to christianity from islam.. This is a small fact ,that is rarely
    covered in any international media.. So now you understand why so many muslim extremist hate so much ASSAD.Its because he disrespect their traditional version of Islam ,and threaten their ambitions to submit every nation into Islam. since they want to convert christians into muslim.. and he is allowing christians to convert muslims into christianity..  like it happen in any democratic country that there is full freedom of religion.

    So all things said...  
    The Syrian conflict.. in reality is at least 4 wars going on at the same time ,
    with other potential interest too.. that is 4 different major reasons ,why Syria is attacked by
    NATO-Israel-Turkey and Middle east..

    So from top to lower ,the top 4 reasons why Syrian war is happening.
    what are the interest the motivated US and its allies to attack Syria.

    The Syrian war is....
    #1) US-UK and Israel war against Russia...

    Assad used the term.. a micro world war 3.
    Syria is being attacked for being allied to Russia and not be part of the
    american colonial system.. he rejected american military bases and Syria
    and help Russia with a refueling base ,to bypass the containment of Russian navy.
    with a base. This alone will have been enough reason to attack syria.. any nation that
    cooperates with Russia ,in opposing the american global government/global dictatorship project
    will be attacked and its government removed by US ,UK and Israel . Their goal is to isolate
    Russia from the world.. in this case from the middle east. from that naval refueling port.
    and to give Russia a vietnam war in Syria.. where they hoped Russia military defeated by the endless waves
    of terrorist from the entire world.. that NATO recruited.. there are guantamo prisoners and chinese muslim fighting in syria. and NATO cargo planes helped in their transportation ,from all parts on the world to turkey base. and from there they helped to infiltrate in Syria.  This war is part of the so called Arab Spring..
    that their goals was to install puppet governments ,ruled by muslim brotherhood in any client state of Russia.
    and so denying Russia the possibility to deploy naval bases outside their main land.. deny transit to Russian navy
    over the mediterranean sea.. if they can't refuel..

    Wesley Clark a 4 start retired general of NATO ,exposed in 2007 in conferences this plans..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY2DKzastu8

    but he never gave details ,of how those plans will be done.. (that now we know was ARAB SPRING)
    a muslim brotherhood NATO financed civil war across all client states/allies or potential allies of Russia
    in a fight against NATO. They even choose a muslim president , OBAMA to help fool muslim worldwide
    make them believe that ALLAH now controlled United States as they all had to install the muslim brotherhood
    islam in every country in the world.. (through alqaeda) .  Exactly all the countries.. that were part of the turkey ottoman empire and had no muslim brotherhood government ,in north africa and middle east.. where the ones attacked.. coincidence?   the only exception was Israel .. offcourse.. isn't that curious how alqaeda attack syria ,from all parts of the world jihadist come to attack them.. but they never attack israel or any american base.   Rolling Eyes

    #2 War against Russia economy..
    Pipeline war and a vietnam war too.. both..
    if Russia manage to defeat the terrorist in syria ,which they also though was
    possible ,it will not matter.. really.. because Russia will need a large scale army invasion (they believed) in order
    to stop the more than 150k terrorist they recruited to invade syria the ones that came from outside or inside syria.... Isis numbers alone were in the 75,000 fighters according to Russia defense ministry.. how in hell ,so many fighters could get food and supplies and munitions for 9 years in a war ? and even get thousands of american humvees without firing a single bullet ?  mmm..  it was all a setup... ISIS invaded iraq from turkey ,under NATO and erdogan supervision.. and US soldiers left their military base and weapons to be taken on purpose.. and not a single strike on them.. to stop them..   US and ISIS and Alqaeda and any other terror group were working together.. The Russian spokewomen of russian government told in television ,how they intercepted american pilots communications with ISIS ,where they are warned ,where they will strike.. so they leave and not harmed.. so the entire WAR on terrorism by NATO is a hoax.. what they doing in syria is a circus.. US and its
    allies are only in syria to make it more difficult for Russia and Syria to defeat their backed terrorist. If Russia was defeated.. then a pipeline will be build from saudi arabia and qatar through syria, and from there to turkey and middle east.. to bypass gazprom..   So Putin "brilliant" vision of turning russia economy in a gas station ,... is what drives US to easily sabotage russia economy and energy business with europe..  Obana also began a war
    on oil prices too.. to damage as much as possible Russian economy..  

    #3
    The war on syria is also a war on christianity ...from the point of view of the sunni sectarian muslim.. they fighting them..not only  for the money they get..From NATO ,but also because they want to remove ASSAD
    and replace him for a muslim brotherhood government..

    #4
    and finally from point of view of israel.. is a war with a bonus.. of war against hezbolah and iran..
    defeating and isolating them.
    if Syria was overrun..by Alqaeda, or ISIS ,they will have done the same to Lebanon..and capture it..
    and Israel and NATO will have used the excuse of invading Damascus and lebanon to "fight terrorist" and then then terrorist "defeated"  ( a transfer of land with a shake of hands ,between alqaeda and NATO and israel) , then they setup there the new palestinie territories.. and finally Israel will have a green light to invade lebanon

    #5
    A war of Turkey for the creation of a new ottoman empire ,securing all northen syria ,and lybia and algeria and
    egygt under its control . if all things working as they hoped.. then from morroco to turkey borders..all coastal part of mediterranean sea in africa and middle east.. will be under control by muslim brotherhood terrorist..
    and with Turkey being their over lord..  while at the same time erdogan being a puppet of US.

    What could have happened next.. after russia failing in defend syria.. is that all north africa and north middle
    east will be under turkey control.. and russian navy blocked from the mediterranean sea.. blocked in gibraltar strait, blocked in suez canal.. blocked in bosphurus strait..  and imagine such kind of war.. that Russia will have to fight so many muslin nations in order to have access to the mediterranean sea.. to isolate russia economy from europe.. from the mediterranean sea..  later they can invite findland into nato.. and russia blocked from
    baltic sea too.. in case a major war happens..    

    What we witness in syria.. is  consequence of Putin massive ignorance and short sight development of Russia..
    ,of allowing Russia enemies to organize ,conspire and isolate Russia from the world.. without fighting back..
    He though that Russia was going to be allowed to peacefully become very rich ,becoming the saudi arabia of europe and asia. The Arab spring is war against Russia.. the Syrian war is war against Russia.. the nazis in baltics and ukraine is war against Russia.. The west want nothing less than destroy Russia ,and they way they are doing it ,is using islam a weapon of mass destruction against Russian economy , to later cause massive civil unrest.. after failed wars and failed economy and disband the country ,as NATO did to the soviet union. which was crushed with a war on oil prices.. combined with an expensive arm race..they pushed on Russia ,and combined with the afghan war.. that just like in syria.. they provoked soviet union to invade.. to weaken their economy.

    What is important to understand in all this.. is ...
    That had Russia was not a gas station.. and instead was a very influential nation and world leader..and
    had an economy and culture that directly compete with US popular business ,and Russia also was a leader
    in Space explorations.. then none of this bullshit ,that the west is doing will have worked..  
    All Russia problems with the west are consequences that the west have far more business influence than Russia.
    and so the world follows US leadership ,and plans into isolating and breaking Russia.. in a slow but steady way.
    If Russia was more like Japan , but with space domination.. then none of this wars we see will have happened.
    No war in ukraine ,no war in syria.. no war with turkey , and Europe will abandon nato and move the the Russian orbit.. so Putin short sight vision of Russia potential and his attachment to the past,is what allows the west ,to lead and influence more the world.. and influence massive alliances ,against Russia interest.



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    Post  nomadski on Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:59 am

    You obviously have thought about these problems. First about Syria path. It should be determined by Syrian people. And second, it should be a form of democratic state. Or near ideal as possible. The problem with too much religion in politics, is not so much that it encourages a dress code or tries to ban alcohol or belief in God. The problem is that it denies the formation of political parties that are not religious.  It is non democratic or exclusive. Against those that have other political ideology. Some other democratic ideology can be more compatible with modern day problems. Secularism is also somewhat an exclusive ideology. But it is usually a modern form. More inclusive. Based on more recent ideology.  I believe that religious and secular and other political ideas can peacefully coexist. In a proportional representational system. Where basic rights and freedoms of all different groups are respected. It is possible. The most important right, is ability of distinct economic classes, to form distinct political party. Irrespective of immediate ideology. A form of direct democracy.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Types_of_democracy


    Then about this war in Syria. You are right. It is a mini WW3.  But Syria is winning. Russia is fighting back. But it does not want to go to war directly with America or Turkey or Usrael.  Who could blame them. I can not fault Russia foreign policy. Given that Russia wants to be part of world economy. Secure interests. But I think Russia can develop a political economy. Although the business interests must be met. They do not always coincide with long term national interests. Here we need political leadership. That regulates and guides business. Or sets up state apparatus for furthering national interests. Since businesses are subject to market forces. The world is now being subject to the disorganising influence of big business. That knows no borders and has no loyalties. That is the only suggestion I have for all of us. To preserve national interests, we need apparatus that protect nation state. Remember Syria a few years back. Syria winning.

    https://youtu.be/BnM2bQJitjw


    You mentioned religious conversions. I myself see religions as different ideology. Same as political ideology. Or any other ideology. A person can one day change their idea. Change supporting socialism. And start supporting Buddhism. This is upto them. And as you said, in modern state, should not be a problem. Nor should there be any obstacles to people from different religion to marry. A Marxist to marry a Buddhist or Muslim or Christian. Nor should the law discriminate against any group. The only exception are groups that are set up by hostile powers to destabilise. Like these CIA infiltrated missionary groups. Or sects that promote illegal or violence activity. Nor should power in parliament be shared based on ideology. But only on economic class.

    http://indiafacts.org/religious-crusades-cia/



    You mentioned alcohol (  refined, high percentage). This is not a good thing. But Alcohol in it's natural state, is a food. And is good. There is Alcohol in ripe fruit. Creatures that feed on ripe fruit, become drunk. Slightly drunk. This encourages greater appetite. The creature eating more fruit. And dispersing the seeds. It is in the natural state, not harmful. So what to learn from this? Allow highly refined strong alcohol?  This creates many illnesses. Is not a food. The answer I think is promote low alcohol beverages. No more alcoholic than percentage of ripe fruit. Especially for those with low appetite. Or as medicine.

    http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20170222-our-ancestors-were-drinking-alcohol-before-they-were-human
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:38 am



    in other news.. is clear now ,what will be Erdogan next steps.. and the future..

    effectively Erdogan is at war with Syria and a proxy war against Russia at the same time..
    He thinks he will be able to "defeat" the SAA with Russian airforce support.. by just sending
    a very large army and and deploy hundreds of outpost ,that they will use to attack SAA.

    This is a failed strategy.. because he have no control of syrian airspace.. and can't block Russian airforce
    from bombing them.. but even if somehow Turkey manage to stop Russian airforce attacks.. ,he still will not
    control the airspace of syria... and also his army will be at artillery range of syrian artillery.. Syrian rocket artillery forces are twice bigger than turkey ones.. so a rain of hundreds of rockets vs self slow propelled attacks , the rockets wins.. then syrians will have the edge in portable rocket fire.. like kornets.. so even if somehow
    erdogan manage to push back the syrian army.. using overwhelming force.. that they have.. how will they hold
    positions with Syria ,Iran ,and hezbolah fighting them in guerrilla warfare?

    So Erdogan military will face a vietnam war.. with a major substantial difference.. that his enemies will be much
    better armed.and with superior weapons.. thanks to Russia. if any of the previous conflicts or turkey vs SAA is an indication.. then we are speaking about a rate of 400 turkey forces killed vs a dozen of 10 to 50 syrian soldiers killed..

    unless Erdogan capture damascus and defeat completely syrian army ,iran and hezbolah ,and kick Russia from
    syria.. he will have no chance to hold territory.. because the SAA can do tactical retreats.. and then bomb to hell the city that turkey army holds.. so erdogan will never be able to stop the syrian artillery ,landing on their heads.. that will be impossible.. if american start a major invasion from jordan ,that will be a major difference indeed ,but a major risk too of a world war 3.. with Russian airforce bombing american troops too..

    All things said.. Erdogan face the major defeat on history of turkey.. his military will be sitting ducks to Syrian
    artillery forces.. and Russian airforce.. and if erdogan attack Russian airforce.. then it will be gloves off.. and turkey army destroyed in syria... Erdogan is not only risking idlib but also losing every single thing he achieved
    with russia and getting his army destroyed.. completly..

    just one nuclear strike even a small one.. will be enough to send a powerful message to erdogan ,that he will not
    capture idlib.. and that he will need to back off.. and he will do it.. i don't think erdogan will risk a full scale war with Russia.. that he knows he will lose big time.. and will cost a lot to his nation economy.. if erdogan keeps pushing too much , he will end being removed by his own generals.. is a really stupid move..

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    Post  SeigSoloyvov on Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:50 am

    To push into the M4 and capture it means taking nearly half of the remaining land in the Idlib area.

    Things will soon get very very bloody for both sides.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:53 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:
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    ultimatewarrior wrote:Refugees is not the reason Erdogan invaded Damascus. Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan all have millions of refugees and they have good relations with Damascus. Only Erdogan broke relation with Damascus and invaded Damascus.



    Because you conveniently forgot to mention all of these countries are so weak they cannot do anything about the Alawite regime in Syria, even if they wanted to.

    Also, Iraq and the Lebanese Hezbollah are practically a bunch of Alawite allies, so weak or not, neither Iraq nor Lebanon would even consider fighting against the regime in Syria.

    Trust me, the massive refugee problem Turkey faces is a major issue which the Turks cannot ignore.


    You think all people on this forum are stupid and uninformed?



    They are biased sure depending, but you are no different really you are ignoring facts to promote Erdo's views ignoring it's his fault it all happened in the first place. Trying to say he is doing it to fix the refugee problem when in reality he is just using them has a pretext to try and steal land.

    So honestly you are no different than most people on this forum.

    if Erdo wanted the refugees gone, it's super easy to do so. You load them on trucks and send them back. Let the Russians and Syrians take care of them.



    It is the fault of the Alawites. They are far from being moderates as holding on to power is concerned.

    They have been tyrannizing Syria and monopolizing power there, despite being only a minority.

    Erdogan has nothing to do with it.



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    Post  miketheterrible on Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:03 am

    Oh look, a Pollack spreading bullshit

    Color me surprised
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:17 am

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:To push into the M4 and capture it means taking nearly half of the remaining land in the Idlib area.

    Things will soon get very very bloody for both sides.


    indeed.. good observation..

    and the more defeats Erdogan military face.. the more desperate Erdogan becomes..
    he is now asking US to provide not only patriots defenses ,right next to turkey -syria border
    to target Russian planes.. but also with american airforce provide cover for Turkey rear ...


    Turkey has asked the U.S. to deploy two Patriot missile-defense batteries on its southern border to free it to punish any future attacks by Russian-backed Syrian troops, according to a senior Turkish official in Ankara.

    “The U.S. has in the past sent air defense batteries to us,” Turkey’s Defense Minister Hulusi Akar told CNN-Turk television in an interview aired late Thursday. “In the same way, there may be a Patriot battery support,” from the U.S., Akar said during the interview recorded earlier Thursday. If there is similar support from European allies, Turkey would consider it, Akar said.

    The disclosure was almost immediately followed on Thursday by a spasm of violence left two Turkish soldiers dead and five wounded in Idlib, underscoring the risks as two regional powerbrokers assert their influence in northwestern Syria.

    https://friendsforsyria.com/2020/02/22/turkey-seeks-us-military-backing-for-an-air-offensive-in-syria/

    So imagine that for a moment.. Turkey knows his actions will provoke Russian into a fight with them..
    So he is asking american to help them fight Russia and protect them from the black sea..  Rolling Eyes
    That idiot really believe that the american airforce have a chance to fight Russia in the black sea.. it will be overwhelmed .. and if they attack Russian planes... those bases in syria and iraq.. will be easy targets
    to Russian cruise missiles.. Russia can push back US forces from the black sea.. and turkey will be destroyed
    and is not remotely prepared to defend itself..  so Erdogan is risking his entire country and economy to be
    destroyed just for a small piece of land in idlib..??? Suspect   is not going to happen..

    i don't think US military will want to be in the cross fire ,because will get their bases and planes destroyed ,
    in syria and iraq.. they are very vulnerable to any faction.. whether is Iran ,or syria or Russia..

    My best guess is Erdogan fanaticism and super Ego ,makes him incapable of reasoning and is only a
    matter of time he will get into a war with Russia..  

    So when the war between Russia and Turkey will start..  either in the next 3-7 days  , or in the next 7 to 15 days.. this are the periods of more fighting .. should be happening.. in the next 30 days ,we should see a definitive understanding if turkey will go to war with russia or not.. but the first major test of direct confrontation should  happen in the next 7 days..

    What im sure is that the Russian military ,already should have plans for a limited war with turkey and full scale war over syria..and those plans had to be intensively studied from left to right ,through years.. and they change
    depending of the reality on the syrian battlefield ,that today is miles better than it was in 2015 when the Russian plane was shutdown by turkey..

    In case of the worse case scenario .. im sure Russia have though about the idea of taking Istanbul ,that the majority of population there hates Erdogan.. and Russia could deploy their military there ,backed by thousands of missiles . another scenario of full war is Russian army invading hatai and creating a 30km buffer zone inside turkey.. and demand reparation damages to Russia and syria in order for them to leave . they could also arm kurds to advance over entire turkey border.. and iran will be targeting turkey from their side of the border ,so erdogan will face an endless war from many nations ,and will be alone on this..in the end regardless of ground
    advances in Syria ,or not.. he will be forced to retreat from syria, if don't want to see his entire economy destroyed... and military bases too.. Those refineries ,and powergrid of turkey will cose a fortune on turkey economy. US f-16 planes can't block cruise missiles from reaching their targets.. and Erdogan don't have proper air defenses other than the s-400.. Russia most likely ,armed those missiles with a kill switch ..so they don't explode when fired or shut down..
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    Post  d_taddei2 on Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:10 am

    Idilib aside, whats peoples views on what will happen after idilib is liberated. Northen Aleppo? The east (kurds)? and likely USA hinderance? Turkish revenge?
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:00 pm

    SeigSoloyvov wrote:To push into the M4 and capture it means taking nearly half of the remaining land in the Idlib area.

    Things will soon get very very bloody for both sides.

    Drones will take out most of rebel pickup trucks. This will severely hamper their ability to transport ATGM launchers and missiles.

    https://twitter.com/HKaaman/status/1229874124706713601
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    Post  nomadski on Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:52 pm

    @ TADDIE2

    I read the Turk Internet news. They hide the fact, they support ISIS against Syria. Try to show they only support moderates. But they now say they are in open war against Syria. But there is no real momentum for big war. With Syria or Russia. More a case of...... Let's give it a try........ Send few troops...... See what happens... What we get.

    So as I said, things going well for SAA.  Their land to defend to death. Turkey will back off. They already did, when Russia said they hit advancing rats, and they denied being hit by Russians!  So SAA should advance as normal. And Russia could provide logistic support only. No need to directly involve against Turks.

    I think with more losses, Turk will give up soon. Just put names and photo of Erdo victims on TV. So people and troops know there is real high chance of death. They will not die for Syria. You need a battle, where Turk troops, despite Turk technology and Tank, are seen to be killed in high percentage. That is what needs to be arranged.

    Once  west liberated. If kurds form a Republic. Then give a little time. And together with Kurd, form new army. Advance East. Surround both yank and Turk troops simultaneously. Push them out together. Yanks will leave this way, because surrounded. Turks will leave, because already defeated in West battles. No stomach for fight.SAA can do this, because absorb large Kurd forces.

    If Kurd not form a Republic. Then SAA to target yank bases first. Surround them. Push out. Then in separate move, push Turk out. Russia only giving supplies. But allow SAA to use missiles for attacking.

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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:23 pm



    d_taddei2 wrote:Idilib aside, whats peoples views on what will happen after idilib is liberated. Northen Aleppo? The east (kurds)? and likely USA hinderance? Turkish revenge?

    they should take all latakkia ,, full clear it..that is west of aleppo and Russia build another military base.
    that is bigger and larger.. around hama zone and very well defended.. because if the war continues scalating
    with Turkey sending more and more military.. then it will be too much for russian airforce to handle..

    So to full help syria.. from a full scale invasion as things look now heading.. Russia needs at least x100 combers /combat planes in syria. and keep them flying as much time possible in the air.. so a new base far from turkey border deployed.. in case that turkey go crazy mode and start bombing their base and destroy their most of their planes.. with artillery strikes. also Russia will need at least 300 t-72 and t-90 tanks in the area of idlib alone , to push back massive waves of turkey rats invasion with suicide bombers.. another thing can help a lot to slow the advance of fast running terrorist are mines.. build large mine fields.. around captured cities.. to destroy turkey convoys before they reach any SAA hold city.

    the zone of kurdistan ,that should be given to kurds to fight it.. and give them weapons.

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    Post  medo on Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:25 pm

    I think Russia and Iran bring to SAA enough of kamikaze drons, which are already battle proven, that they could bring a lot of destruction to Turkish army from safe distance. Kamikaze drones Sammad 3, which Houtis use to strike Saudi rafineries have enough range to strike turkish air bases and military concentrations on the turkish side of border. I would not be surprized, if Syria produce their own cruise missiles like Quds-1 with iranian help.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:37 pm

    medo wrote:I think Russia and Iran bring to SAA enough of kamikaze drons, which are already battle proven, that they could bring a lot of destruction to Turkish army from safe distance. Kamikaze drones Sammad 3, which Houtis use to strike Saudi rafineries have enough range to strike turkish air bases and military concentrations on the turkish side of border. I would not be surprized, if Syria produce their own cruise missiles like Quds-1 with iranian help.

    Any sources about russian kamikaz drones ? They already presented a kalashnikov drone few years ago, I guess they tested it there.

    Syria producing cruise missiles would attract israeli bombers. Not really what they want right now.
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    Post  Isos on Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:33 pm

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    More reports of Turkish soldiers deaths as Syrian Government Forces shelled a convoy near Jabal Al Zawiya


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    Moment earlier today when Russian Air Force bombarded village of Al Bara as Turkish Military convoy was passing through. //video in the post//
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:50 pm

    Later video of incident put up by Aldin, who, some of you might remember, posted on here for a while.

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    Clearest video so far that shows heavy Russian Air Forces strikes in a close proximity of Turkish Military convoy inside the village of Al-Bara in Syria.


    https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/1231590051886354433

    Also it looks like they may have got the message, after they entered the village, not before.

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    RUAF prevented TSK to entered Bara and they withdrawn to North
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    Post  kvs on Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:28 pm

    JohninMK wrote:Later video of incident put up by Aldin, who, some of you might remember, posted on here for a while.

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    Clearest video so far that shows heavy Russian Air Forces strikes in a close proximity of Turkish Military convoy inside the village of Al-Bara in Syria.


    https://twitter.com/aldin_ww/status/1231590051886354433

    Also it looks like they may have got the message, after they entered the village, not before.

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    RUAF prevented TSK to entered Bara and they withdrawn to North

    None of these locations have anything to do with Turkey. This is pure invasion in support of the terrorists. Both Russia and Syria need to
    treat these units as legitimate targets. Note how Turkey is not doing much in the US controlled Kurdish zone. That is the only place
    where they have a tiny pretense to stick their noses in.

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    Post  Hole on Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:08 am

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    Nice map.
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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:18 am

    Is it my imagination or is that area around al-Tanf getting bigger?
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:24 am

    Hole wrote:Syrian War: News #21 - Page 2 23feb_10
    Nice map.

    It could be a nice karma if at the end of the war, instead of grabbing Idlib and Aleppo, Turkey would lose the Hatay region to Syria...
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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:30 am

    JohninMK wrote:Is it my imagination or is that area around al-Tanf getting bigger?

    not is not.. the bastard.. wants to bleed syria ,and they expanding little by little.. they can be pushed back however .. they don't have a big army there.. just a hundred of troops last i remember.. with up to 2,000.
    which they will face major problems to defend ,in case of war with syria.. with the rains of missiles can be fired at them. don't think they can defend any better from ballistic missiles ,that US did in their iraq bases.

    Look at the final map.. to the right.... the terrorist planners in the pentagon  are trying to isolate syria from iraq..
    to completely close Syria border from the inside and expand their zone all the way to euphrates zone. so they using isis ,to create a land bridge , a buffer zone , that extend from their base near jordan borders towards northern syria..  the fight there will require iranian help..  with more ballistic strikes but this time on those positions..  because i don't think Putin will want to start a major war with US for an empty desert zone.. that only benefit is to block any kind of trade between syria ,iraq ,iran..   Russia need to provide help to iraq.. to clear the zone near syrian border. so that US can't deploy there to block them.. also provide lots of air defenses to iraq
    to shot down any nato plane that attacks their soldiers.. again trying to clear the border..

    US plans are clear as water.. to block at any cost their ISIS buddies from being completely defeated and create
    a major buffer zone that completely isolate syria and iraq.. if i was Iran.. i will send jeeps military convoy from iran to syria ,fully armed with manpads.. and setup bases in the entire iran /syria border.. with iraqui forces support..
    militarize the entire border all the way to jordan.. and start closing the airspaces from where they fly.. with air defenses..  and from syrian side dothe same.. mobil air defenses to close the airspace around all US bases in syria and in iraq.. Iraqui hezbolah..that pentagon bombed earlier their base ,they already did it in one US base in iraq. and they can't enter or leave if they decide to close the road.. and the airspace above the base can be closed too in no time.. ..

    all those american bases can be easily taken ,using the same blitzkrieg tatics  isis used to take palmyra.. they seen a large convoy at fast speed or jeeps through the desert armed with machine guns and mortar artillery and manpads. and spread very wide.. so the airforce bombing is not very effective..  either case.. syria need to focus on idlib first.. but iraq and iran can do a lot more ,to help syria on their border.. because once US forces removed from syria ,iraq and iran ,they can create a military alliance to defend their nations .. and boos their economies.. and strenghten their militaries..

    iran ,iraq and syria ,need to create a militarized buffer very large road ,that connect all 3 countries..
    a supply line ,that can be used for trade ,food ,supplies of transport of military equipment. and around this
    road ,  air defenses to create a no fly zone for NATO.
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    Post  Vann7 on Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:38 am

    updates..   Feb 23, 2020  [3:52 PM] ·
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    #SAA opened 2 axis:
    - 1. Troops advanced S. & E. Kfar Sejena almost surrounding the town. The goal should be advance towards Hzarrin
    - 2. Troops entered in Hantutin (village was nearly empty)
    A 3rd axis will be open in the next hours, the goal may be:
     - Ariha
     - Kafr Nabl

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    MArat al Tira under army cntrl
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    Al-Naqir are under the control of the Syrian army, south of Idlib. The stage is now towards Kafar Jisnah and Sheikh Mustafa.

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    Cnfrmd,Hantunteen and Sheik Damd under army, Kfrsjnf not cnfrmd yet.

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    What happens is not a second stage, but a continuation of the previous military action .. The second stage will be towards the Turkish border..SAA field reporter



    in a bit of topic news...
    The houthis in yemen are releasing pictures of a show room of their new weapons..
    they virtually brand new most of soviet union air to air missile in their possession that migs-29 can fire.. Shocked
    including ones with 200km+ range..indeed amazing.. it had to be iran ,who supplied it to them.. question is how those are fired.. perhaps iran modified the weapons to be fired from trucks .. instead of planes.. is not the first
    time something like that is reported.. in syria read about those tactics being used too.. by the nato sponsored terrorist. they also announced a native air defense system ,so they basically have a no fly zone now
    over yemen.. Smile yemen is a very important place for NATO ,after their puppet government lost control of it..
    because if iran controls yemen.. they can ambush with missiles, any NATO warship who try to pass.. also can block with mines the south entry of red sea.. in case of war with iran... so important is the zone ,that russia setup a military base in the opposite side.. near somalia.. in case of world war 3.. no warships will be able to cross until the Russian ,chinese and iranian military bases there captured.. by force.. it also serve as spy zone
    of underwater submarines.. and to monitor nato navies movements in real time.. aside it help to stop the pirates in the somali coast.


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    Post  JohninMK on Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:27 am

    A multi wave 20 minute Israeli AF attack on Damascus this evening. Now over.

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