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    Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20

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    Post  Vann7 Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:43 pm

    kvs wrote:Any claims of fluffing up corona virus death numbers are pure lies.   In fact, it has been the reverse.   Not every deceased case is
    even tested since tests are expensive.   And not every living case that dies away from hospitals (e.g. old age homes) is counted
    either.   That is why France and others have made revisions to their numbers to supposedly account for these cases.   But these
    are estimates since the medical system is totally swamped as it is already.

    All these "studies" and "reports" that try to paint SARS-CoV-2 as just another flu are patent nonsense.   Just another flu does not
    generate any crisis in hospital ICUs.   And such claims are debunked by the spatial distribution of the outbreaks.   If there were
    all of these symptom free or mild cases, then every major city in China would have experienced and outbreak.   Supposing it
    was just another flu, the ICU burden would be just as low (which is what they are claiming by jacking up the number of alleged
    infected) and carriers would spread around China and basically the rest of the world.

    Covid-19 is nothing like any flu aside from the 1918 variant.   And that epidemic should be the analog since control measures
    were not put in place like today.   If Covid-19 was left unchecked it would wipe out tens of millions as well.


    the virus is real.. the lies are in the numbers and in the narrative of who is to blame for it..
    and this lies ,have been proven to be in US .. it remain to see UK numbers.. that are likely fake too..
    the lies are in the numbers and in the story telling in the anglo jewish west.., the real pandemic is only happening in western europe ,russia ,and china..and only in the countries that trump was in a trade /sanctions war..  Shocked

    so this is the interesting thing about how they lie..

    before february 2020 ,(maybe january too) they were falsifying covid-19 death.. claiming it was flu likely the cause.. and after february 2020 is the other way.. they were labeling every death of anyone with respiratory
    issues as covid-19 death..  so why they could be doing this? to claim that the virus began in china and not in US.  because if US reports covid-19 deaths.. before china ..get their first case.. then they will have no way
    to claim "it started in wuhan and that is a chinese virus"  Cool

    the real story becomes a bit more tricky because there are several mutations of the virus in US ,more than any
    part of the world..california face the less deadly mutation.. newyork face a different one.. according to one chinese doctor claims. so the casualty rate will not be the same . in california the casualty rates of covid-19
    is .01%  . so about similar rates of the common flu.. death rates..  in other parts of US ,where more social wellfare is need , the casualty rate is 7% of the infested died.. that is near 10% casualty rate. which is very high.
    so this suggest that the virus prefer to kill more , those that depends more of wellfare and food social aid. black community ,hispanics and asians faces the biggest casualties.  coincidence?  if this is a gov driven virus and not by mother nature , then they are targeting the poor and those who suck the US economy more in welfare.

    in more news..  
    more doctors speaking.. saying.. there is no pandemic in california at all
    and come with more evidence..   saying the death rate in california is similar to seasonal flu numbers. lol1
    this is scandalous indeed.  lol1  they have been lying through their asses the entire time about facing
    a crisis.. but don't be distracted.. with the different death rates.. it looks the pademic planners are using different
    virus for different places..  they throw the less deadly virus  ,in the zones they don't want many casualties..and the more deadly virus in the zones they want more casualties.. for comparisons in china there was almost no mutation.. just one virus.. US is the only place in the world ,that face many different virus/mutations.. mmmm.
    so strongly suggest there is a major manipulation going on the virus there..and the spreading is artificially done.
    as if the entire thing was a fabricated very staged and scripted crisis.  Shocked

    super interesting video.. more doctors speaking with scientific evidence ..
    that the numbers are all wrong.. no pandemic in california at all..  lol1





    buahahahahah.. this is epic scandalous.. Doctors exposing the fraud..
    from the video..



    DR Erickson : "why are we being pressure (by government) to add covid-19 (in the death report) "
                          to make things worse than it is  ??  i think so "... 
    "when they (government) use the word safe.. that's about controlling you...

    lol1  lol1  lol1  lol1

    So the US government , american mainstream media have been exposed for lying to the american
    people in staging a fake pandemic , artificially inflating their numbers..and alarming society with an apocaliptic
    event.. that is not happening. if they are blatantly lying to the american people ,is because is a distraction and hiding something highly corrupt , that don't want americans to know.. and those who cheat and lie so much
    during a pandemic world wide crisis.. had to be the main suspects of being the authors of this man made crisis the world experience.. the doctors above.. made a good point.. how small business are forced to close
    but the big mega rich corporations are allowed to operate.. so that it defy the purporse of the forced closing to contain the virus.. .he suggested that the real reason for the closing is politics.. that they want to break small business and make people more dependent on the government. likely for forced vaccinations later and to hide their hands over the virus the world face.


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    Post  jhelb Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:48 pm

    GarryB wrote:I doubt it is a white vs black thing... it is more like a rich vs poor thing.... there are white people dying too...
    If too many blacks/colored people die due to coronavirus how is the US government planning to fight the next war?

    US government realized that being a predominantly White country they cannot radicalize the White people else their economy will suffer, immensely. Instead CIA, NSA, FBI radicalized blacks, latinos and asians. These radicalized colored communities can then be used in large numbers to fight America's wars world over. If they refuse to obey then the US government will unleash fringe groups like Ku Klux Klan, Neo Nazis etc on them.

    This explains why White Supremacists are a very minor threat in either US or Europe. US government, EU government will never allow White people to get radicalized.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:47 pm

    I find it amusing some of the members think only Western left-wing media perpetuate lies about Russia...some even resorted to posting links to Fox News like they became a reliable source of information or something. Surprise! There pension for lying is just as high as their left-wing counterparts...and their just as garbage as they ever was, and their latest article is a colostomy bag full of runny shit...

    "'Russians fed up with Putin as infections, deaths from coronavirus grow' By Barnini Chakraborty | Fox News"

    https://twitter.com/BotPutins/status/1253627976287125504
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:40 pm

    Since most Blacks r poor & less educated, their health is also poor & the death rate is higher. If there were as many infected poor Whites with similar health problems, the virus would kill them too.
    Last year doctors in the US didn't know what they were dealing with, hence misdiagnoses of Covid-19 patients. To find out if the virus was present even earlier it's necessary to exhume those who died with pneumonia & test their tissues.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/health/remdesivir-trial-gilead-premature/index.html?utm_term=1587723664864ffd23b0ede18&utm_source=Five+Things+for+Friday%2C+April+24%2C+2020&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=200812_1587723664869&bt_ee=uDqGDZoh7V5FUoHpBnKR3M4%2BFjOmufYbhm6VSHLqpaVhS1NyI6A8xaOZAP62128J&bt_ts=1587723664869

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/health/hydroxychloroquine-new-york-coronavirus-study/index.html?utm_term=1587723664864ffd23b0ede18&utm_source=Five+Things+for+Friday%2C+April+24%2C+2020&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=200812_1587723664869&bt_ee=uDqGDZoh7V5FUoHpBnKR3M4%2BFjOmufYbhm6VSHLqpaVhS1NyI6A8xaOZAP62128J&bt_ts=1587723664869

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/23/politics/fact-check-coronavirus-briefing-april-23/index.html?utm_term=1587723664864ffd23b0ede18&utm_source=Five+Things+for+Friday%2C+April+24%2C+2020&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=200812_1587723664869&bt_ee=uDqGDZoh7V5FUoHpBnKR3M4%2BFjOmufYbhm6VSHLqpaVhS1NyI6A8xaOZAP62128J&bt_ts=1587723664869

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/politics/rick-bright-barda-trump-coronavirus/index.html?utm_term=1587723664864ffd23b0ede18&utm_source=Five+Things+for+Friday%2C+April+24%2C+2020&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=200812_1587723664869&bt_ee=uDqGDZoh7V5FUoHpBnKR3M4%2BFjOmufYbhm6VSHLqpaVhS1NyI6A8xaOZAP62128J&bt_ts=1587723664869

    https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-04-24-20-intl/index.html?utm_term=1587723664864ffd23b0ede18&utm_source=Five+Things+for+Friday%2C+April+24%2C+2020&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=200812_1587723664869&bt_ee=uDqGDZoh7V5FUoHpBnKR3M4%2BFjOmufYbhm6VSHLqpaVhS1NyI6A8xaOZAP62128J&bt_ts=1587723664869

    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/new-york-virus-deaths-top-15k-cuomo-expected-to-detail-plan-to-fight-nursing-home-outbreaks/2386556/
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-hong-kong-flattened-the-curve-without-total-lockdown/ar-BB133x5v

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-russia-facial-reco/russias-lockdown-surveillance-measures-need-regulating-rights-groups-say-idUKKCN2253CG

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    Post  Odin of Ossetia Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:06 pm

    Odin of Ossetia wrote:
    Vann7 wrote:
    Odin of Ossetia wrote:



    Chinese Factory Worker Caught Contaminating Medical Masks Before their Shipment Arrived in New York City.


    http://theredelephants.com/video-chinese-factory-worker-caught-contaminating-medical-masks-before-shipment-arrived-to-new-york/



    They cannot produce these masks anywhere else?



    you have proven you are very dumb person..

    the video you provided.. don't proof that..
    1)happened in china or that is a chinese factory.
    2)doesn't proof the date.. or country of origin
    3)and even if the video is in china ,doesn't proof the government is behind this actions.
      as a matter of  fact ,the fact that someone is filming and all machines stop ,shows this was
      not done during production , but probably some face mask ,that did not passed quality test and abandoned.
      in chinese production ,they are not allowed to just take cameras and film in their jobs as if this was hollywood.
      they are   always working.. even their smartphones not allowed inside the production zone. so this video
    is extremely suspicious . it could be filmed anywhere .. including america.. many asian works  in US factories.

    if i was to guess ,the video could be hong kong and they paid an idiot ,to do that , in a private company ,
    to use it as anti chinese propaganda.. to feed trolls like you. who love that crap.

    you video only proof.. there is a clear ,very obvious fraudulent demonization campaign on china ,
    and that you are one of those trolls ,that comes to promote it..




    One Million N-95 Medical Masks Canada Acquired from China are Unfit for Use (and Will NOT be Used).

    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/canada-one-million-respirators-acquired-from-china-unfit-for-coronavirus-fight/ar-BB136LtG?ocid=SKY2DHP


    No, I am not dumb, but I think you are.

    I guess the Canadian government does not want a repeat of the New York City disaster, and Canada needs that equipment very badly, but even despite that need they will not use these masks.






    General Motors Canada Will Start Producing One Million N-95 Medical Masks per Month for Canada.


    https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstories/gm-canada-to-start-producing-a-million-face-masks-per-month-at-oshawa-ont-plant/ar-BB139GUs?li=AAggFp5&ocid=SKY2DHP



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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:06 pm

    Faux News - "Russians are fed-up with VVP and his handling of Covid-19! Mad "

    Actual reality:

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:38 pm

    The question is which Russians are not happy. NATzO only cares the lunatic liberast fringe that serves
    its interests. NATzO wants to see all other Russians experience genocide.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Apr 24, 2020 9:46 pm

    The coronavirus that became a global pandemic first surfaced late last year in Wuhan, China. But according to one common narrative making its way around Chinese messaging apps, an American soldier was patient zero. “Chinese netizens and experts” are urging the United States to release health information about a U.S. delegate who attended the Military World Games in Wuhan, asserted a February 22 story from Global Times. The publication, an offshoot of the Chinese Communist Party organ People’s Daily, insinuated that a U.S. military cyclist might have brought the disease from Fort Detrick in Maryland.TChatter about American origins of the disease had begun a month earlier, in the wilds of China’s chat services and on tiny YouTube channels. That alone wouldn’t have amounted to much; conspiracies are as common on social media as ants at a picnic, and the small accounts speculating about “bioweapons” and “the USA virus” got little early traction.
    But this time, Chinese state media picked up the story from internet chatter and turned it into an international phenomenon involving not only official media channels but influential diplomats as well. State channels with massive Facebook followings backed away from prior acknowledgments that the virus had originated in Wuhan, recasting the idea as merely a theory—just one of many unknowns. Zhao Lijian, the spokesman and deputy director general of the Information Department of China’s Foreign Ministry, speculated to his half-million followers on Twitter that the United States was secretly concealing early 2020 COVID-19 deaths in annual flu counts. In an unusually overt act of tinfoil-hat diplomacy, he shared an article from the notorious anti-American crackpot site GlobalResearch. The headline reads, “COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the U.S.” ..From the beginning, the Chinese Communist Party has been struggling to manage both domestic and outside perception of its handling of the outbreak of the disease now known as COVID-19. The coronavirus’s rapid spread within China, and its high death toll, triggered a domestic crisis of confidence in President Xi Jinping’s leadership. Although dissent is often quickly censored, Chinese social-media forums were flooded with comments about Xi being “gutless” for not going to Wuhan, among other criticisms. The situation didn’t play any better internationally: The revelation that the Chinese government knew of the outbreak for two full weeks before taking steps to contain it outraged people worldwide and prompted accusations of a cover-up.
    As the crisis has begun to recede within China, with Wuhan exiting lockdown and new infections dropping to a trickle, the Communist Party’s public-diplomacy efforts have gone into overdrive: At the Stanford Internet Observatory, where I work, we gathered months of China’s English-language state-media Facebook posts, identifying key themes that were pushed repeatedly: stories of survival rather than deaths, glowing coverage of the “construction miracle” of new hospitals (whose sudden appearance was framed as the result of patriotic engineering ingenuity, rather than as proof of the need to bolster an overwhelmed medical system), and claims that China had bought the world time through its aggressive containment procedures. One remarkable China Daily article from February 20 boasted, “Were it not for the unique institutional advantages of the Chinese system, the world might be battling a devastating pandemic.” The item also slammed international criticism as the result of “ingrained bias against the country.” Other stories presented a rosy revisionist history. State media coverage of the death of the whistleblower optometrist, Li Wenliang, mourned him as a hero, and entirely neglected to mention his detention by police after he discussed the emerging virus in a chat group of close friends. As the writer Louisa Lim put it in Foreign Policy, “China is trying to rewrite the present.”
    The Chinese Communist Party has prioritized “persuasion and information management” for years. It has amassed an extensive white-propaganda apparatus since 2000, building and buying TV, radio, and print media, optimizing localized content and messaging in a wide range of languages. Since 2015, it has invested in building a massive English-language presence for its media properties on the very same social networks it has banned within its own border. The English-language Facebook pages for the state-owned newspaper China Daily and the official Xinhua News Agency have more than 75 million followers each; and the China Global Television Network has a following of 99 million; by contrast, CNN has 32 million and Fox News has 18 million. Part of this growth has come from running paid ads on social-media platforms that China’s own citizens are blocked from using. My team has studied hundreds of state-media ads from Facebook’s recently launched political-ads archive. They are targeted at English speakers worldwide. Throughout 2019, the ads frequently involved friendly images of pandas and kittens, highlighted Chinese art and culture, and amplified feel-good political stories.
    In February 2020, they took a different turn. The ads began boosting state media coverage of the coronavirus, with dozens of ads praising Xi for his leadership and emphasizing China’s ability to contain the disease. They incorporated hashtags such as #UnityIsStrength and #CombatCoronavirus, predictions of a quick economic recovery, and stories in which world leaders in Italy, Serbia, and elsewhere express gratitude to China. By March 2020, angry ads appeared in the mix, promoting outraged coverage of President Donald Trump’s use of the term Chinese virus.
    Of course, Facebook pages for broadcast media aren’t the Communist Party’s only messaging tool. For years, it has also run peer-to-peer persuasion strategies involving influencers, trolls, bots, and commenter armies. The comment legions—called Wumao, or the 50 Cent Army—have been a shadowy presence on China’s internet and message-board ecosystem for more than a decade. The party has also tried using Twitter bots and Facebook sock puppets, including those uncovered during the 2019 Hong Kong protests. ProPublica and other investigative journalism teams have reported that similar shenanigans are happening in the coronavirus conversation as well, though attribution remains a challenge; connecting hypernationalist activity back to direct orders from the party is difficult.*
    That managing the narrative is a top priority for the Communist Party is abundantly clear. Among the nine members of China’s task force for managing the COVID-19 response are the party’s policy czar for ideology and propaganda and the director of its Central Propaganda Department.
    Political conspiracy theories appear even in the analog propaganda of decades past. Mark Fenster, the author of Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture, describes them as a “populist theory of power” serving an important communication function: helping unite the audience (“the people”) against an imagined secretive, powerful elite. So when state media in China, for example, create or spread these theories, the elite puppet master is the United States, a geopolitical rival. By exposing the villainy of its adversary, the Chinese Communist Party presents itself as a defender of its people.
    The “bioweapon” trope is particularly useful, because it can be readily applied to any disease outbreak. During the Cold War, the KGB’s information-operations department was a notorious practitioner of conspiracy as statecraft. Perhaps its greatest hit was the widely believed claim that a secret U.S. government lab created AIDS. A Soviet telegram explaining the operation may sound familiar to those following COVID-19 news today:
    The goal of these measures is to create a favorable opinion for us abroad that this disease is the result of secret experiments with a new type of biological weapon by the secret services of the USA and the Pentagon that spun out of control.
    That narrative was initially placed in a pro-Soviet Indian newspaper by way of a whistleblower-style anonymous “letter to the editor” in 1983. It spread through newspapers in 80 countries over a period of four years; the Soviets occasionally revived it with relevant twists for whatever local media environment was of strategic interest. But in the era of Facebook and WeChat, these stories become a high-speed information virus themselves, and the murky source of the initial claim disappears as messages spread across chat groups.
    State media outlets rarely transmit conspiracies in the form of bold, direct claims. They usually do it through a combination of insinuations: We’re just asking questions, really. This sometimes happens via interviews with conspiracy-theorist guests who claim they’ve been silenced by their own government, or publishing provocative headlines. Russia has elevated this to an art form, with the English-language RT and Sputnik networks regularly featuring those purportedly censored by the American media.
    While easy to mock, tinfoil-hat diplomacy serves a purpose for China. Domestically, it’s allowed the Communist Party to distance itself from its own failings by reframing a poorly managed crisis as something that was inflicted on the Chinese people by outsiders. And Chinese state media are far from the only state source “just asking questions” during this pandemic. RT is hosting American kooks who allege on social media that the virus is part of a mass-vaccination campaign masterminded by Bill Gates, while Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, is referencing claims that the virus was “specifically built for Iran using the genetic data of Iranians.” Americans aren’t above this kind of rumor mongering. Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas darkly noted the existence of a Wuhan “biosafety level-four super laboratory” in comments on Twitter and to the media, speculating that COVID-19 is a Chinese bioweapon. But neither mainstream American media nor U.S. government-sponsored entities such as Voice of America are pushing conspiracies as a public-diplomacy strategy. U.S. leaders are, however, demanding increased attention to the information war: Senators Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, and Cory Gardner are calling for a task force to counter Chinese propaganda, and to provide U.S. embassies with guidance on how to counter false narratives locally.
    The tension from the information war between the United States and China on the origin of COVID-19 has resulted in increased political brinkmanship; Trump’s administration has requested that the United Nations Security Council include a statement verifying that the virus originated in China in a COVID-19 resolution. Diplomats have been summoned. U.S. reporters have lost press credentials in China. This is not an ideal state of relations at any time, let alone during a pandemic that requires international cooperation.
    But letting these narratives spread unchallenged is also not an option. Social-media companies should be paying far closer attention to the stories they’re allowing state-media propagandists to pay to boost. Allowing misleading narratives to take hold during a pandemic can cause immeasurable harm, and risks turning the major tech platforms into accomplices in the deliberate spread of lies. We must keep the focus on finding cures, not fighting over conspiracies.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/04/chinas-covid-19-conspiracy-theories/609772/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svrj6Bw5K9A

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlcXMuuXpnY

    All parties r equally guilty of not being prepared & of inadequate response in the initial stages of this crisis; finger pointing only makes it worse.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x_pIgvDLcg


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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:17 pm

    It's only a conspiracy theory if it is not peddled by the Atlantic and the rest of the NATzO fake stream media.

    When it comes to Russia, all I see is tin foil hat conspiracy theories being spouted by this fake stream media.
    As the saying goes: people living in glass houses should not throw stones.

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    Post  Regular Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:43 pm

    kvs wrote:The question is which Russians are not happy.   NATzO only cares the lunatic liberast fringe that serves
    its interests.   NATzO wants to see all other Russians experience genocide.  


    I have plenty of free time and I do follow prominent Russia movements online. It's not so different than anywhere else.

    There's even greater split between opposition.

    Right wing opposition are more level headed - they do carefully praise russian gov. lockdown measures and point out that it's not the time to criticize and more or less help your community.

    Not sure if you heard, but liberasts were split into two groups again.. thanks for this quarantine and they had nothing to do they just canibalise their own. They go and find any anti-SJW post on vk or Twitter and shame their own people who step out of their line. Also, liberasts funded by US are becoming less and less relevant - there are no protests and they are just grifters, so no money - no show.

    Navalny also is loosing big proportion of younglings due to him celebrating Easter and taking bit different approach. Plenty of young liberasts hate religion and they were saying things like "ок боомер" and insulting Navalny on different media how out of touch of their perceived reality he is.

    Populist like Navalny criticize Russian gov due to inactivity. It's easy to find things to criticize as loosely populated regions and already dying countryside don't have best healthcare. Being populist he is pushing ideas that no one can't disagree. Yes, Russians need better social protection, more money for small businesses, more medical equipment and etc. Who can no to this? But the question - how the hell you will implement all this? I also can criticize rocket engineers, but it doesn't mean I can design one myself.

    And now there's another, may I say opposition??? Commie leaning low IQ morrons, soccer moms and "Neobyasnimo no fakt" watchers.bI wouldn't even call them opposition as they lack of cohesion. They are lunatics who are like US rednecks and anti-vaxers. Some of them think Russia is illegal entity and they have Soviet Passports even if Russian gov stopped using them as identification. They think US wants to implement NWO and they think Putin and Trump want to rule it. Putin wants to destroy freedoms of russians so he can solidify his rule. It's no surprise that they think that Belarus is best country and this virus is just a scam.
    And they post most bizarre things...
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    Other than that, Western globalists want all Russians to die, ko matter if they are liberals, fascists, democrats, apolytical and etc.. they are so angry that this virus is not hitting Russia hard as they want. But Western media is like Soviet Pravda in last days of USSR - saying that West (Russia for Western news) is about to collapse and how bad it's over there.. I personally think that Globalist institutions will crack before Russia will.


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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:44 pm

    https://thepostmillennial.com/trudeau-government-wont-say-how-many-hundreds-of-prisoners-they-released

    Bleeding heart posers letting scum loose just when cops are overloaded with Covid-19 enforcement.
    Don't these retards even understand what quarantine is? Two weeks is hardly cruel and unusual punishment.

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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:47 pm

    Regular wrote:
    kvs wrote:The question is which Russians are not happy.   NATzO only cares the lunatic liberast fringe that serves
    its interests.   NATzO wants to see all other Russians experience genocide.  


    There's even greater split between opposition. Right wing opposition are more level headed - they do carefully praise russian gov. lockdown measures and point out that it's not the time.
    Not sure if you heard, but liberasts were split into two groups again.. thanks for this quarantine and they had nothing to do they just canibalise their own. They go and find any anti-SJW post on vk or Twitter and shame their own people who step out of their line.

    Navalny also is loosing big proportion of younglings due to him celebrating Easter. Plenty of young liberasts hate religion and they were saying things like "ок боомер" and insulting Navalny on different media how out of touch of their perceived reality he is.

    Populis like Navalny criticize Russian gov that not enough is being done. It's easy to find things to criticize as loosely populated regions and already dying countryside don't have best healthcare. Being populist he is pushing ideas that no one can't disagree. Yes, Russians need better social protection, more money for small businesses, more medical equipment and etc. Who can disagree with this? But the question - how the hell you will implement all this? I also can criticize rocket engineers, but it doesn't mean I can design one myself.

    And now there's another, may I say opposition??? Commie leaning low IQ morrons, soccer moms and "Neobyasnimo no fakt" watchers.bI wouldn't even call them opposition as they lack of cohesion. They are lunatics who are like US rednecks and anti-vaxers. Some of them think Russia is illegal entity and they have Soviet Passports even if Russian gov stopped using them as identification. They think US wants to implement NWO and they think Putin and Trump want to rule it. Putin wants to destroy freedoms of russians so he can solidify his rule. It's no surprise that they think that Belarus is best country and this virus is just a scam.
    And they post most bizarre things...
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    That photograph sums up the lunacy of these vermin. Lots of insinuation, but zero facts. No, an image is not worth 1000 words if it means
    nothing.

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    Post  Regular Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:10 am

    Another one from Navalny gang.. oh God, they are delusional..
    Do you remember QR code permits? It would have stopped big hold ups in Moscow as it's faster and easier to scan them than passports? Russia ditched them because usual suspects cried that it's like Davids star.. ok, now they have to stand in line and get your passport checked..
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    I'm ok with Russians expressing all of their opinions online as long as it doesn't support terrorism, but there are laws against it.


    Russia is not US, it's not a country run by internet memes and people are way less affected by propaganda online. Idiotic things only gain traction amongst idiots.  They don't form critical mass and they are far removed from any important decision making.

    What I've noticed that most liberals are free souls - they are musicians, artists and so on. They have no grasp of real life and are like aliens living in their idealogical bubble. IMHO, they should only have represeintives in ministry of Culture and should stay the hell out of politics.

    I doubt that majority of Russians think that their police are nazis because they check their passports.

    For bad or for good - Russian police are European level soft when it comes to using weapons against you- you can start flailing fists at them and you will get pepper spray or electric shock used against you. No one will shoot you if you are not on a killing rampage. Russian police weapons are fines and in Covid-19 outbreak people get WARNINGS before they are being fined or persecuted.
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    Post  nomadski Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:34 am

    I tried to buy a filter for my DIY mouth covering or mask. But it is in short supply. You can use cotton inside a fine woven fabric, like chiffon or fine stockings. To cover mouth. However to be effective, the cotton should be fluffed up first. As a child, I used to watch cotton fluffers, prepare washed cotton for mattresses linings. Before modern mattresses became fashionable. But I think there should still be cotton fluffers about. You should still find them in Asia. Get them to supply some fluffed cotton. Make your own mask. Cover mouth and breathe through. Discard after a day. Wash mask. Close nose with swimming clips. Stop corona.

    https://youtu.be/VjmGBSY_9Fg

    I like to see, more practical advice here. On how we can fight virus. What ordinary people can do. I think when fighting a war. We should invite as many ideas as possible. However remote or strange. Secure as many advantages as possible. Leave no stone unturned. So if someone says, inject disinfectant. Do not dismiss. Interpret to mean a medication that alters blood chemistry that body tolerates but virus does not. A new avenue. Or if they say use UV light. Well they are doing this in India. To clean toilets. Interpret to mean a device that cleans objects. Does anyone have ideas? On how to fight?
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:06 am

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/24/navy-destroyer-forced-into-port-as-18-sailors-test-positive-for-coronavirus-206594

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:37 am

    If too many blacks/colored people die due to coronavirus how is the US government planning to fight the next war?

    Yeah, they use poor people and there are sure to be no shortage of them in the foreseeable future...

    Lets face it... as an emergency measure... allow immigration if you sign up to the US military for 10 or 15 years and get US citizenship.

    Part of their drive for drones and swarms is to reduce the number of boots on the ground they need in any situation... that is only going to increase... and continue.

    US government realized that being a predominantly White country they cannot radicalize the White people else their economy will suffer, immensely. Instead CIA, NSA, FBI radicalized blacks, latinos and asians. These radicalized colored communities can then be used in large numbers to fight America's wars world over. If they refuse to obey then the US government will unleash fringe groups like Ku Klux Klan, Neo Nazis etc on them.

    This explains why White Supremacists are a very minor threat in either US or Europe. US government, EU government will never allow White people to get radicalized.

    The propaganda is strong in the US... few people will join a union for workers rights because unions are communism... standing up for yourself against the unelected ruling class is not acceptable behaviour socially in the US or the west... when the media ignores you you become ineffectual anyway... and who owns the media?

    To be serious mate... the problems of the coloured Americans are basically the same as for poor white Americans, they just took a different route to get there... there are all sorts of reasons for getting a shit hand in a poker game, but it is more likely when the ones with all the money choose who gets what cards...

    Once they realise it isn't about white or brown or black or yellow or red, and it is just about being fair to everyone so everyone can afford a house and a car and to go on a two week holiday every year somewhere nice... perhaps even overseas, while at the same time have law and order (ie a funded police system, working fair judiciary, and prisons) and education and training and decent healthcare for everyone and extra of both for those that need it. Not everyone needs a university education, and to be honest, some of the best educated people on the planet are socially also the most useless most of the time.

    I find it amusing some of the members think only Western left-wing media perpetuate lies about Russia...some even resorted to posting links to Fox News like they became a reliable source of information or something. Surprise! There pension for lying is just as high as their left-wing counterparts...and their just as garbage as they ever was, and their latest article is a colostomy bag full of runny shit...

    Both parties in the US are rubbish, but in the past it has generally been the liberal left wing democrats that are the biggest pain in the ass for Russia... quite often the right wing conservatives could get away with deals the lefties could not because they perhaps were more trusted to trust the Soviets less... all bollocks of course...

    Since most Blacks r poor & less educated, their health is also poor & the death rate is higher. If there were as many infected poor Whites with similar health problems, the virus would kill them too.

    It is more complex that just who is poor and who is rich, but other aspects also count against them... like smaller housing, often with more people per house, and lots of children, and of course culture regarding social distancing, and lack of healthcare meaning they routinely don't visit a doctor until they clearly have to, by which time they perhaps have already infected their family and neighbours.

    Genetic vulnerability is another thing however... I doubt any group would be immune but some groups will be more resistant than others and being mixed breed... ie part white and part coloured might make them more resistant to some types of disease than being pure bred all one or the other...

    As the saying goes: people living in glass houses should not throw stones.

    Especially people who have a long history of going to other places and smashing more than windows with thrown rocks... who own shares in quarrys and sell good hand sized rocks commercially and make a lot of money doing so and encourage their use every chance they get...


    I tried to buy a filter for my DIY mouth covering or mask. But it is in short supply. You can use cotton inside a fine woven fabric, like chiffon or fine stockings. To cover mouth. However to be effective, the cotton should be fluffed up first. As a child, I used to watch cotton fluffers, prepare washed cotton for mattresses linings. Before modern mattresses became fashionable. But I think there should still be cotton fluffers about. You should still find them in Asia. Get them to supply some fluffed cotton. Make your own mask. Cover mouth and breathe through. Discard after a day. Wash mask. Close nose with swimming clips. Stop corona.

    You do know you can wash cotton? Why are you throwing away the "filter"... are you American and think once you have used something once it can never be used again?

    My understanding is that a mask protects others by preventing you from spitting (while talking for instance) or sneezing or coughing. It also prevents you wiping your mouth so plastic goggles should be part of your protection gear to stop you rubbing your eyes.

    The point is that you can't give it to yourself... a mask stops outside droplets from reaching your mouth either directly from a sneeze or cough from someone else, or from infected surfaces like that door handle you just used or where you touch a rail or fence for balance... if you touch your mouth or eye with your hand without washing that hand you can get the disease from those surfaces.

    Drops of infected mucus or spit from other people can't reach your mouth but can reach and remain on the outside of your mask.

    I still think my original idea was the best... a motorcycle helmet... a full face one... is the best solution because you can use antiseptic wipes to keep it clean... there is no face mask up against your face which would need regular attention but the visor would visibly indicate if the person speaking to you is spitting (don't take it personally I doubt they can control that), but either way a spray of gin or vodka or turps or other cleaner type that will evapourate immediately and you are fine... there is no chance of anything seeping through... and your head is protected if there is a riot for food or whatever.

    You wont have to continually find sources of clean cotton, and even if you get it on your hands you wont be able to touch your eyes or mouth easily which gives you a chance to stop yourself or wash your hands first... with no helmet it is quick and easy to wipe your eye... and then it is too late...

    These days you can probably get helmets with decent headphones in them with bluetooth connections for decent music... it does not need to be hermetically sealed... you are not going under water or into a burning building full of smoke or anything....

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    Post  nomadski Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:48 am

    The motorcycle helmet idea is a good one, as well as any type of physical barrier type helmet or mask that protects face against larger droplets. I heard they adapted diving masks, to become ventilator masks. So the way you think is good. Using available products and adapting them. Of course motorcycle helmets are not airtight. I used to wear them. The reason is fogging. And need to breathe air. They found that airborne small vapour, is most common route of infection. So unless we protect against this, then simple physical barrier, not enough.

    The type of surgical masks, are not airtight. Therefore useless. The problem is design. The human nose. Difficult to fit flat against face. But if mask only covers mouth. It can be airtight. The mouth and lips, sitting across flat filter, will provide secure route for air. But nose should be shut. I know cotton can be washed. As a child I remember our household handmade mattresses used to be emptied of old cotton. Every year. Washed and Dried. And fluffed up by fluffer using a bow. Making a kind of music. By striking the bow!  The problem with washing cotton in mask, is that it will absorb Corona. People may not wash correctly. It is only small amount used. Washing cotton left in mask will clump it together. Storing waste cotton, an infection risk.  But dropping waste cotton into disinfectant for storage, before drying and reuse, will work. If you fluffed it up. So best use small amount and discard in sealed bag. This type of mask will protect also against contracting virus.

    Another idea that came to me, was regarding circulation of air in rooms and buildings and vehicles. There were studies showing that rate of infections on hospital wards decreased drastically, once windows were left open for a while. So after lock down, office workers can do this. As well as hospitals. Especially for covid victims, are best to be the open air field hospital tents. Allowing plenty of air circulation. People travelling on public transport, can have all windows open. To allow air circulation. Even in cold climate, can be done for short journey. Think of riding in open carriage, like old days.........

    Another idea, is to use vinegar instead of disinfectant. This was effectively used during the plague. Will Corona be killed by vinegar?  Then where disinfectant not available. But vinegar available, can be used..?

    Another idea, based on injecting disinfectant ! Is using more specific and potent throat lozenges. That people can take, during the day, while out and about. The virus then being neutralised in the throat by vapour. Before reaching lungs.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:21 am

    I think you are missing my point... air tight means you are going to suffocate.

    Condensation on motor bike helmets windscreen has more to do with cold weather and hot breath but a well designed helmet should direct the cyclists breath down and away from the visor anyway...

    I think you are expecting too much from masks.... one of the biggest groups contracting the virus are medical people because of close contact with people with the virus... I suspect they wash their hands 100 times a day and wear masks and gloves and near hazmat suits... yet they are still getting infected too...

    If washing cotton does not neutralise the virus then we are all screwed... and who cares if the cotton in your mask is clumped up when you wash it... just rub the lumps out of it with your fingers and carry on...

    Billions of people throwing out masks and used protection gear is just going to lead to the worlds poor getting infected when going through the rubbish and who knows what sort of super bug variety they will brew up...
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 25, 2020 1:47 pm

    No masks are airtight, to get the benefit you have to breath through them. The N95 standard medical masks are designed to be flush to the face around the edges, so no beards please, and if that is difficult due to the head shape then they use 'boob' tape, double sided skin safe tape. Most masks on ebay etc are just dust masks, as are the millions of Chinese masks, rebranded as N95, that desperate countries buy from some sources.

    Apparently the virus can't survive 30 degrees and above so the recommended cleaning is 70 degrees in an oven for 30 minutes or 10 mins in steam. I have an ozone generator which I use.

    Mine are dust masks with an added 2.5 micron filter in them for when I go shopping, plus latex gloves, safe spacing and hand washing which should cut the risk to acceptable levels. I also have a proper paint spray mask with visor and twin air inlets/outlets but I think wearing it would scare the natives Smile

    There are two sides to resisting Covid-19, stopping it getting to you and maximising the chance of resisting it when it does. It seems to me that all our Governments talk about is the first which is crazy as in the long term we are all, or 80% of us for herd immunity, are going to get it anyway, so I am going hard on the second. Basically you have to be fit and healthy, so 30 mins exercise a day, no need to go mad, and proper food. On top of the latter I have upped my vitamin intake taking much higher levels of A, B, C, D3, K based on what I have read on the subject. It does help not to be overweight or have high blood pressure or diabetes of course but I do have a couple of low level cancers which is an added reason to take extra precautions.

    Keep safe all of you.
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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:28 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/uk-ons-figures-show-three-times-more-deaths-flu-pneumonia-covid-19

    An example of imbecilic drivel.

    1) This piece of rubbish totally dismisses any mitigation efforts. As if all the lockdowns around the world have
    zero effect. Patent BS.

    2) The flu season lasts for over six months. We have not had this pandemic for this period of time. We need another
    four months to have a basis for comparison.

    3) It is clear that SARS-CoV-2 has not spread geographically like the flu including in the USA.

    This nonsense "nothing to see here" analysis is similar to the Y2K bug problem. People laugh that nothing happened
    and expose themselves as idiots since Y2K was resolved by hundreds of millions of dollars worth of software replacement
    efforts in critical systems. You dismissive covidiot morons don't get to have the cake and eat it too.

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    Post  Regular Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:28 pm

    For those wondering what kind of mask they should use... get a military one. Why mess about with DIY when you can get decent Soviet one with a raincoat/hazmat suit for cheap. It doesn't have to be hazmat tho as biohazard can be minimised by covering vulnerable patches of skin and using a proper breathing apparatus.

    If you want to go light, get 5 masks from 3M. Make sure they are FFP3, has the valve and align/wear them right. Put the names on them. Monday/Tuesday/Raiding day/whatever. Swap them everyday, learn etiquette of usage, breathe check them
    Most important thing is where people fail - desinfection. Make sure you have separate room and equipment where you do it. Swap clothing and leave it sitting for 3 days. Take off your shoes all the time, bleach the soles and spiritize the top.

    I would like so see some of your gear.

    I've prepped for this in January. I even started doing lifting when in mask and running with restricted breathing. So physically I'm ready to wear masks for long time and not to get migraines or so called lung fatigue. In Lithuanian army also "punished" us by sending us to cross country runs with masks so I know what is is to have valve overfilled with water from your own breathing. I also have experience in smoke training in chambers/containers and believe me, fireman training is crazy relevant when it comes to mask usage. It's not rocket science and majority people learn in 5 minutes.

    I use these masks and I have a shed made as decon chamber where I dress down to briefs and desinfect myself and my clothing where I leave my gear for 3 days while I wear other set.

    I personally don't think I could get anything better than this- I do have russian PMK (not the newest one, but the shitty one from 2014) and british gas masks (not the current Avon one, but wonderful S10 when they were cheap) i do prefer this Fernez mask over them because this one has open visor, it's not distorter. I don't need to use binoculars and I don't even own a gun here so I don't care about aiming. It is good when it comes to helmets, like ops core as well.

    When it was colder I used to wear green military fleece to minimise skin exposure. You could also get it airtight with bodyglove swimming gear by covering your body underneath clothing. The problem is that you will get heated bad even in winter. With this I've used to wear ratnik leather gloves, now I wear oakleys and have latex gloves underneath. I also have ear plugs and ear protection because virus can travel through ear/nose canals as well.

    What I need to get is new UV lamp as mine died so I use sunlight to desinfect 3m masks and clothing with metal/plastic bits.

    People give me looks when I am geared, but I don't care. I have vulnerable people at home. I only get out to buy perishable foods and I store two pallets of meat in a coldstore 10 minutes away from me. I can't think of other way I can be more ready than this. I make our own bread, I have 45 kg of rice, grechnki and we don't eat sugar or smoke. We drink Lithuanian wine my relatives brought in last year ago. I also have a small glasshouse for cucumbers and tomatoes.

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    Post  kvs Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:36 pm

    Yes, if you want to stop virus laden aerosol particles infecting you then you need to cover your eyes and not just your
    air intake orifices.

    But it would be easier if those who are potentially infected to wear simple face masks. That would be sufficient to
    stop the spread of aerosol with virus particles.

    So it is easier to stop the spread with a simple mask than it is to stop the exposure which requires cumbersome
    equipment.

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    Post  JohninMK Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:47 pm

    kvs wrote:
    But it would be easier if those who are potentially infected to wear simple face masks.  That would be sufficient to
    stop the spread of aerosol with virus particles.

    Problem is that a person is infectious for the couple of days before they show any symptoms. Pretty clever this virus.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:34 pm

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/israeli-professor-offers-alternate-coronavirus-prediction/?utm_campaign=Asia%20Times%20Weekly%2004%2F25%20%28VdEVyy%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Asia%20Times%20Weekly&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJ0c2F2b2xpb242OUBhaW0uY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiSkdldnFwIn0%3D

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/04/breakthrough-hopes-rise-in-virus-vaccine-trials/?utm_campaign=Asia%20Times%20Weekly%2004%2F25%20%28VdEVyy%29&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Asia%20Times%20Weekly&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJ0c2F2b2xpb242OUBhaW0uY29tIiwgImtsX2NvbXBhbnlfaWQiOiAiSkdldnFwIn0%3D

    https://lenta.ru/news/2020/04/25/roosevelt/

    https://russian.rt.com/russia/article/740658-rossiya-sluchai-covid-19

    https://www.rbc.ru/society/25/04/2020/5ea40ff99a79471dfd4cf3d3

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-vaccine-who-project-trump-us-covid-19-a9483421.html -his cronies must make $, so no competition is allowed!

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/04/24/coronavirus-united-states-death-us-hit-50-000-death-plateau-virus-friday/3017928001/

    https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/costa-deliziosa-last-cruise-ship-what-happened/index.html

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plEQaKJQuSA

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    Post  nomadski Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:36 pm

    Cotton pad disposable mouth mask. DIY.
    Nose clip.
    Cotton bud for ears.
    Goggles.
    Disinfectant spray bottle.
    Two weeks supply of food.
    Third week, you need ventilator.


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