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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:01 pm

    Hole wrote:VVS Russian Air Force: News #2 - Page 21 001416
    "Mortar" launch method from planes/ekranoplans.

    That's what I thought originally because originally the Caspian Sea Monster had experimented with with angled launchers above the fuselage, but the designers at Fakel spoke about use in even in anti-air/SAM use. So maybe they plan on creating Ekranoplans as a flying component of S-400/S-500/Nudol units, and they should be able to carry dozens of missiles with no real issue.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:02 pm

    The problem with huge missiles is that the aircraft that carries them needs a fuselage with a height that equals their length... so average sized air launched missiles should be fine but some of the really long missiles are going to need a An-124 sized aircraft....

    The fact that they need that big wind protector suggests this will be from large slow aircraft.... not MiG-31s or MiG-41s... which is fine because launching them vertically from an aircraft moving horizontally would provide benefits from the altitude but not from the flight speed so it would be the same as rolling them out the back of a transport plane at high altitude... and for many weapons that is good enough, while the efficient internal stacking would mean rather more weapons carried more efficiently.

    Imagine a transport with a 6m body height loaded with 6m long cruise missiles that is 5 metres wide and 60m long filled with vertical cells... say five cells across and 60 cells long... that is 5 x 60 = 300 missiles. The obvious problem of course is that that number of 1.5 ton missiles would be 450 tons... but an ekranoplan can carry quite heavy payloads... it is certainly more than two horizontal rotary launchers could carry.

    If we say each of the two weapon bays are 12m long and say 4m wide then 4 tubes wide and 12 tubes long times two is 48 times two... which is quite a large number of missiles too. 96 times 1.5 is quite heavy as well...

    For carrying long range AAMs and ABMs it would make more sense with high flying much faster aircraft and to benefit from the flight speed horizontal launch would be more valuable.

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    Post  Hole on Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:03 am

    Recon version of An-140-100 fitted with self-protection system.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:23 pm


    Freshly built Tu-214 had it's first flight, it's definitely not for civilian airline so I'm putting it here

    Any idea what is it's intended purpose? (please be EW)

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/133518/

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    Post  Isos on Tue Jun 23, 2020 4:26 pm

    No big antennas so unlikely it is EW/ELINT. Maybe the tanker version ? The angle of the picture isn't helping...
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    Post  TheArmenian on Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:16 pm

    It will go to the government fleet. Transport of VIP.

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    Post  George1 on Sat Jul 11, 2020 9:43 am

    Russian Knights aerobatic group fully reequipped with 8xSu-35S and 8xSu-30SM

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4084207.html
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:38 pm

    Poland recognized the power of the Russian Su-30SM
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    Post  mnztr on Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:58 pm

    It mentions the Poles have received Jassm-ER, range 980 km, is this not against the anti-proliferation agreement?
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:49 am

    The rules don't apply to HATO and the US...
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    Post  mnztr on Fri Aug 14, 2020 6:59 am

    GarryB wrote:The rules don't apply to HATO and the US...

    I guess the reality is that Russia give Iran/india etc technology anyway.
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    Post  GarryB on Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:59 pm

    Brahmos is based on Yakhont and not Onyx, but hopefully Brahmos II will be hypersonic so the chances of it being less than 500km range are pretty low.

    Maybe Iran wants some Mach 5 800km range Onyx missiles for Christmas...
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    Post  Stealthflanker on Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:49 pm

    mnztr wrote:It mentions the Poles have received Jassm-ER, range 980 km, is this not against the anti-proliferation agreement?

    If it's operated by Poles.. then it would be an MTCR Compliant version of 300 km. If it's 980 km then it's under US jurisdiction.

    MTCR Is still a thing TBH. Otherwise China and Russia will happily sells 1500 km range Kalibr or CJ-10 missiles and perhaps even still offering the R-17VTO (Scud-D) with precision Aerofan warhead.
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    Post  mnztr on Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:48 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    mnztr wrote:It mentions the Poles have received Jassm-ER, range 980 km, is this not against the anti-proliferation agreement?

    If it's operated by Poles.. then it would be an MTCR Compliant version of 300 km.  If it's 980 km then it's under US jurisdiction.

    MTCR Is still a thing TBH.  Otherwise China and Russia will happily sells 1500 km range Kalibr or CJ-10 missiles and perhaps even still offering the R-17VTO (Scud-D) with precision Aerofan warhead.

    This one was approved as a foreign military sale to Poland, so I guess Russia can sell anything to Iran now?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Mon Aug 17, 2020 4:49 pm

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    mnztr wrote:It mentions the Poles have received Jassm-ER, range 980 km, is this not against the anti-proliferation agreement?

    If it's operated by Poles.. then it would be an MTCR Compliant version of 300 km.  If it's 980 km then it's under US jurisdiction.

    MTCR Is still a thing TBH.  Otherwise China and Russia will happily sells 1500 km range Kalibr or CJ-10 missiles and perhaps even still offering the R-17VTO (Scud-D) with precision Aerofan warhead.

    Nope, he's right they blatantly violated MTCR.

    70 JASSM-ER Missiles for the Polish F-16 Fighters. US State Department Issues A Consent

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:43 pm

    IL-80 replacement: 
    https://www.gazeta.ru/army/2020/10/14/13319491.shtml

    They could use IL-476 instead as the follow on to IL-80/82s. The maximum range of the aircraft is 8,500km vs. 5,000 km on the IL-86 & 10,000 km on the IL-96-400.
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    Post  franco on Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:11 am

    Graduation ceremonies for young officers were held today at the Krasnodar higher military aviation school of pilots named after A. K. Serov, Syzran and Chelyabinsk branches of the Zhukovsky and Yuri Gagarin Air force Academy.

    In total, about a thousand pilots and navigators will join the air units of the Aerospace forces and naval aviation of the Russian Navy.

    Among the graduates, about 80 lieutenants completed their training with a red diploma, and 13 people – with a gold medal.

    The celebrations in the schools participated the management team of the aerospace forces: commander of the air force, was Deputy commander of the VKS, Lieutenant-General Sergei Dronov, head of army aviation HQs Colonel Igor Romanov, chief Navigator of air force Colonel Anatoly changers.

    "It is you, young officers, who will master the latest aviation systems and weapons systems, ensure the country's military security, increase the air power and glory of Russia, "said the commander of the air force-Deputy commander – in-chief of the VKS, Lieutenant General Sergey Dronov, speaking to graduates of the Krasnodar school of pilots." I Emphasize that the troops are waiting for you, preparing for the meeting and will do everything necessary for your arrangement and creation of favorable conditions of service, " Dronov stressed.

    All graduates are assigned to officer positions of flight personnel (pilots, navigators, senior pilots, etc.), and will operate, among other things, new models of aviation equipment: su-30sm fighters, su-34 bombers, Mi-28N, Ka-52 attack helicopters, and many others. For this purpose, a program of retraining graduates in the corresponding aviation centers in Ivanovo, Ryazan, Lipetsk and Torzhok is planned.

    NOTE: Hopefully this will alleviate the severe pilot shortage from a few years back. There has been a big increase of new pilots over the past 2 years.
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    Post  franco on Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:39 pm

    Actual graduating totals were 430 new aircraft pilots, 290 helicopter pilots and 200 navigators, Traffic Controllers, etc.
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    Post  franco on Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:32 am

    The US appreciated the spectacular photos of Russian "strategists" fully armed

    The Russian Ministry of Defense released on November 6, 2020, images of three Russian bombers - Tu-160 Blackjack, Tu-95MS Bear-H and Tu-22M3 Backfire-C, with an arsenal of weapons placed in front of them that can be carried by aircraft. Spectacular photos of Russian combat aircraft were appreciated by experts from the American publication The Drive.


    The supersonic strategic Tu-160 with variable sweep wing is located on the runway behind two rows of subsonic air-launched cruise missiles. The armament line closest to the aircraft is represented by 12 Kh-55SM missiles, which received NATO code designation AS-15 Kent. The second line of missiles is a dozen samples of more modern subsonic subsonic cruise missiles Kh-101 (nuclear-powered X-102). Like the Kh-55SM, the missiles are equipped with by-pass turbojet engines. It is reported that the maximum range of the Kh-101 is from 3 to 4 thousand km. Tu-160 is capable of carrying its weapons only in internal tandem bomb bays. Each of them contains a rotating drum-type launcher, carrying six missiles.


    Before the "strategist" Tu-95MS Bear-H, six Kh-55SM missiles and eight Kh-101/102 missiles are presented. This bomber is equipped with the same rotating launcher as the Tu-160, but since it has only one bomb bay, the aircraft's internal payload has been reduced to six Kh-55 missiles or six Kh-101/102 missiles. Equipped with four double underwing hardpoints, the Tu-95MS Bear-H is capable of carrying up to eight Kh-101/102 missiles.


    The Tu-22M3 Backfire, a long-range bomber of the Russian Aerospace Forces, is presented exclusively with variants of free-fall bombs, including a pair of FAB-3000s weighing about 3 tons each, followed by smaller caliber ammunition. Additional bombs are mounted on the outer Backfire under the fixed wing section.
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    Post  GarryB on Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:32 pm

    A few obvious errors...

    Kh-102 is nuclear armed, not nuclear powered.

    Max range of the Kh-101 is 4,500km and Kh-102 is 5,000km.

    The rotary launcher on the Bear is much shorter than the one on the Blackjack and is only long enough to carry the older shorter missiles.

    The Kh-101 and Kh-102 can only be carried externally on the Bear which is why the shown weapon load was 6 Kh-55SMs and 8 Kh-101 or 102s.

    The 6 Kh-55SMs carried internally, though it could also carry 6 Kh-555s with conventional warheads.

    The Kh-101/102s are carried externally on 8 weapon pylons.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:22 am

    GarryB wrote:A few obvious errors...

    Kh-102 is nuclear armed, not nuclear powered.

    Max range of the Kh-101 is 4,500km and Kh-102 is 5,000km.

    The rotary launcher on the Bear is much shorter than the one on the Blackjack and is only long enough to carry the older shorter missiles.

    The Kh-101 and Kh-102 can only be carried externally on the Bear which is why the shown weapon load was 6 Kh-55SMs and 8 Kh-101 or 102s.

    The 6 Kh-55SMs carried internally, though it could also carry 6 Kh-555s with conventional warheads.

    The Kh-101/102s are carried externally on 8 weapon pylons.


    The max range for Kh-101 is 5,500km, and the max range for Kh-102 is unknown but presumably greater due to a more compact tactical thermonuclear warhead allowing for more room to store propellant, so it's max range is quite possible north of 5,500km.

    The 4,500km range number is for the modernization of the Kalibr subsonic cruise missile.

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