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    VVS Russian Air Force: News #2

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    Post  Hole on Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:45 pm

    Weird looking Tu-214.

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    Testbed for new radar/systems for Tu-160M2?
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    Post  Isos on Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:07 pm

    Hole wrote:Weird looking Tu-214.



    Testbed for new radar/systems for Tu-160M2?

    Or pak da.

    Isn't such noise more dynamic for civilian planes (so more fuel efficiant) ? The plane looks awsome like that.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:09 am

    New trained pilots won't fly in su-57. They will go first on mig-29/35 and su-27/30.

    Of course not, what I mean is that in the early 1980s an experienced pilot who flew MiG-21 and MiG-15 and MiG-23 and who is now assigned to fly a MiG-29 could fly in the MiG-29UB to learn its foibles and strange features before being left alone in the single seat model MiG-29.

    With the Su-35 and Su-57 being single seat only the best they can do is fly in an Su-30 to see what it is like, but it is not really the same...

    The Yak-130 has a special flight control system to allow the aircraft to simulate different flight characteristics from heavy transports to light or medium or heavy fighters/fighter bombers.

    Getting used to different types during training would help pilots get used to adapting to different types....

    Or pak da.

    Probably both, though likely Blackjack as it is going to need it first... by 2025 when they start production of the PAK DA then they might need to get the radar right then.

    Isn't such noise more dynamic for civilian planes (so more fuel efficiant) ? The plane looks awsome like that.

    It is clearly the nose of a supersonic or transonic aircraft... most likely Blackjack, though it could just as easily be Backfire for the new model nose incorporating the inflight refuelling probe like the Blackjacks.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:15 am

    It is clearly the nose of a supersonic or transonic aircraft... most likely Blackjack, though it could just as easily be Backfire for the new model nose incorporating the inflight refuelling probe like the Blackjacks.

    I was asking if the nose would make a civilian plan like the one on the picture more fuel efficiant.
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    Post  Hole on Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:09 am

    If it would, all civilian airliners would look like this. This nose form is only needed on supersonic planes.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:54 am

    No.

    With subsonic items the front is not really hugely important, it is the rear that determines a lot of the drag.

    At supersonic speeds the nose is critical, while the tail is not so important.

    Take a look at bullets... high velocity rifle bullets have pointy noses, while low velocity pistol bullets tend to have flat rounded noses.

    Of course even for a high velocity rifle bullet the rear end might not be important at the start of the flight at high supersonic speed, but a more aerodynamic tail can make a huge difference in flight range... with a flat tail a 308 rifle bullet might travel 3-4km, while with a boat tailed bullet (ie gets narrower at the back like the rear of a boat) can reduce drag while the bullet moves at subsonic speed extending ballistic range to 5-6km.
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    Post  Azi on Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:39 am

    Isos wrote:
    It is clearly the nose of a supersonic or transonic aircraft... most likely Blackjack, though it could just as easily be Backfire for the new model nose incorporating the inflight refuelling probe like the Blackjacks.

    I was asking if the nose would make a civilian plan like the one on the picture more fuel efficiant.
    Yes! It would make the plane more fuel efficient, but only a little little bit at subsonic speeds.

    The reason why nose of regular airliners don't look like this is simple...pilots couldn't see the runway, they would see only the nose. That's why the Concorde and Tu-144 had a lowerable nose ("droop-nose"). Requirements for civilian airplanes and military airplanes are different! A civilian aircraft should also be able to land without instruments, only by sight.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy on Sun Jan 06, 2019 5:23 am

    Hole wrote:Weird looking Tu-214.
    Testbed for new radar/systems for Tu-160M2?

    and PAK DA,offcially russia russia russia

    Today, the press service of PJSC Tupolev, in a letter to BUSINESS Online, explained the purpose of creating a new aircraft: tests of experimental
    equipment installed on upgraded and newly developed aircraft. The purpose of the work on the Tu-214LMK is to create a flying laboratory
    for testing in-flight complexes of the on-board equipment Tu-160 and in the future - the PAK DA ".


    https://www.business-gazeta.ru/article/400185
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:31 am

    Good interview about the future of VVS:

    https://uacrussia.livejournal.com/83886.html
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    Post  LMFS on Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:21 pm

    Do not find a specific thread for this, but the news are relevant: Tactical Missiles Corporation finishing R&D in no less than 14 new missiles this year:

    http://tass.com/defense/1041562

    "This year, we have serious plans: we need to complete a total of 14 [R&D] works," the chief executive said.

    "Several works are linked with ‘air-to-air,’ air-to-surface’ and air-to-ship’ weapons. And about a third of works are related to coastal missile systems and underwater naval weapons," Obnosov said.
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:06 pm

    According to SouthFront yesterday a Su-34 used a Kh-35U to destroy a building in Raqqa/Syria.

    https://southfront.org/russia-used-anti-ship-missile-to-pinpoint-strike-ground-target-in-syria-video/
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    Post  Isos on Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:58 am

    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bv0qedJH6Ih/

    Interesting comment from a real russian pilot. But bad translation. I think he is suggesting of intruducing cheap single engine fighters.

    Can anyone translates ? Maybe Vlad79 ?
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    Post  ult on Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:46 pm

    That guy is not a pilot. He knows pilots. And he's been known to spew bullshit before. Like not being able to tell apart F-15 and F-22.
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    Post  LMFS on Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:22 pm

    This was the first account to show pictures of Okhotnik if I am not wrong, rumour is it is linked to VVS somehow so I would not dismiss what they disclose.

    From what I understood, they are saying that in the 90's they scrapped many single engine planes and now use twin engine ones, which are very expensive and have increased failure rate, though the probability of total loss of the plane decreases. And they say they are developing single engine plane, I didn't find the word fighter anywhere but seems the logical assumption doesn't it? Would be great to know more but a hint is all we have.

    They talk about TVCs and supercruising engine too.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:50 pm

    Many pilots like to share their experience with aviation fans. This one seems that sort of person and probably used or somehow controled by the VKS so that he shares what they want to be shared. Like the f-22 on OLS, or images of the norvegian intel ship, or those stories about f-18 dogfight near japan.

    A picture of a f-22 on a su-35 ols won't be shared anyday soon by any pilot without green light from top generals. They would be fired if they do that by their own.
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    Post  JohninMK on Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:04 pm

    Isos wrote:Many pilots like to share their experience with aviation fans. This one seems that sort of person and probably used or somehow controled by the VKS so that he shares what they want to be shared. Like the f-22 on OLS, or images of the norvegian intel ship, or those stories about f-18 dogfight near japan.

    A picture of a f-22 on a su-35 ols won't be shared anyday soon by any pilot without green light from top generals. They would be fired if they do that by their own.
    Please forgive my ignorance but what does "OLS" stand for?
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    Post  LMFS on Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:04 pm

    Isos wrote:A picture of a f-22 on a su-35 ols won't be shared anyday soon by any pilot without green light from top generals. They would be fired if they do that by their own.
    Or simply jailed. Agreed he is not just a guy leaking info without anybody noticing.

    BTW the statement regarding ongoing development of single engine may fit the Okhotnik indeed. STOVL concepts may also be single engine.
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    Post  Isos on Fri Apr 05, 2019 4:06 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Please forgive my ignorance but what does "OLS" stand for?

    Optical Locator System. The "camera" in front of the cockpit, above the radar that you can see on mig-29 and su-27 families and even on su-57.
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    Post  George1 on Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:05 am

    MiG-31 in 2017 was mistakenly shot down by an R-33 missile from another fighter?

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3620414.html
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    Post  Hole on Wed May 01, 2019 9:45 pm

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    Post  dino00 on Tue May 07, 2019 11:42 pm

    Source: the concept of a helicopter with an electric motor is being worked out for the Russian military

    Significant advantages of the electric motor will be relative noiselessness and low heating temperature.


    MOSCOW, May 7th. / Tass /. The concept of a new attack helicopter with a hybrid power plant, which in the future will be replaced by an electric motor, is being worked out in the interests of the Armed Forces of Russia. This was reported to TASS on Tuesday by a source in the military-industrial complex.

    "In the interests of the Russian Armed Forces, the concept of a general purpose helicopter with a hybrid engine [an internal combustion engine and an electric motor] is being worked out at the first stage, and then with an electric motor," the agency’s source said.

    According to him, the relative advantages of the electric motor will be relative noiselessness and low heating temperature, which provides "low visibility for heat finders and enemy homing heads." In addition, such a helicopter will be independent of fuel. The interviewee noted that electricity can be extracted from any other type of fuel, which will give an advantage in large-scale future military operations, when stable operation of the oil refining infrastructure can be disrupted.

    The interlocutor of the agency said that, according to military scientists, combat helicopters with a hybrid installation of motors can be widely used "in the next 15-20 years."

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    Post  dino00 on Wed May 08, 2019 10:34 am

    Source: in the technopolis "Era" modernize the aviation sighting complex "Hephaestus"

    Viktor Murakhovsky, editor-in-chief of the Arsenal of the Fatherland magazine, added that the accuracy of the SVP-24 can be improved by improving the software and integrating it with condition sensors on board the Aircraft


    MOSCOW, May 8. / Tass /. Specialists of the military technopolis "Era" in Anapa are working to improve the accuracy of the aviation aim-navigation complex SVP-24 "Gefest." About this on Wednesday TASS reported a source in the military-industrial complex.

    "One of the units of technopolis" Era "is developing a new advanced aiming complex" Hephaestus "for aircraft, which will even more significantly increase the accuracy of using unguided ammunition, which already has the corresponding accuracy of" high precision ", the source said.

    In August 2017, the chairman of the Military Scientific Committee of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Lieutenant-General Igor Makushev reported that the accuracy of the defeat by unguided bombs from bomber equipped with Hephaestus is comparable to the use of guided munitions. A TASS source in this regard noted that conventional aerial bombs with a modernized complex would not only be close, but would be reached according to this indicator at the same level as adjusted ammunition.

    As explained by TASS chief editor of Arsenal of the Fatherland, Viktor Murakhovsky, the accuracy of the SVP-24 can be improved by improving the software and integrating it with solid-state sensors on board the aircraft, which will provide accurate data on external conditions in real time. "To improve the accuracy characteristics, it is also necessary to have more accurate external data. For example, the wind speed is at a height - [accuracy] depends quite strongly on this, better even in heights, in layers," the source explained.

    In addition, it is necessary to calculate the aerodynamics of the munitions themselves in more detail. In many respects, the accuracy of hitting a target depends on the accuracy of the signal of satellite navigation systems. “It should be understood that the accuracy of GLONASS itself strongly depends on whether there are any differential corrections in the area of ​​application of the station. If they are, then the accuracy is significantly increased,” the expert noted.

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    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/6411024
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    Post  GarryB on Wed May 08, 2019 10:42 am

    More importantly if the electric motors can be made relatively small then you could have coaxial main rotors without the need for an enormous and heavy and complex gearbox... in fact the future could offer compact nuclear batteries to power such an aircraft... a 1MW nuclear battery could power systems and two powerful electric motors to allow the aircraft to fly for decades... the electric motors and no gear box would reduce the weight of a Havoc or Hokum attack helicopter by an enormous amount... perhaps 3-4 tons at least...
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    Post  dino00 on Wed May 08, 2019 11:01 am

    Compact nuclear batteries and compact nuclear reactors will give the Russian armed forces and hedge against the Americans for good years.
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    Post  George1 on Tue May 14, 2019 4:28 pm

    AKHTUBINSK (Astrakhan Region), May 14. /TASS/. Russian President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday visited the Chkalov Flight Test Center to inspect modern air technologies and armaments, including a MiG-31 fighter jet armed with the hypersonic missile Kinzhal (Dagger).

    Putin walked about an exposition of the latest models of aircraft on the ground. One of the planes on display was a fifth generation jet Sukhoi-57. A group of six such planes had escorted the presidential liner when it was approaching Akhtubinsk. Also, Putin was shown the newest fighter jet MiG-35 and samples of future unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs).

    The president also examined serial air technologies being provided for the Defense Ministry - Sukhoi-35 and Sukhoi-30SM fighters, upgraded interceptor MiG-31BM and deck fighter jet MiG-29K currently in service in the Russian Navy.

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